WWI Digest 1498 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Nieuport 17 by Ernest Thomas 2) Re: New Survey on the web page by bucky@ptdprolog.net 3) RE: Nieuport 17 by Shane Weier 4) TC Models Vickers Vimy by Shane Weier 5) Squadron Albatros Book by Matthew Zivich 6) Re: Sopwith Triplane rigging by "Bill Neill" 7) Re: Triplane rigging... by "Bill Neill" 8) RE: Nieuport 17 by Shane Weier 9) Re: Nieuport 17 by John & Allison Cyganowski 10) Re: Squadron Albatros Book by John & Allison Cyganowski 11) RE: Sopwith Triplane rigging by Shane Weier 12) HTML mailers please read by "Bill Ciciora" 13) RE: Kruten's Nieuport marking by "Hirohisa Ozaki" 14) RE: Sopwith Triplane rigging by "Steven M. Perry" 15) Re: Sopwith Triplane rigging by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 16) Goeben models by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 17) goin fishin by Ernest Thomas 18) Re: Nieuport 17 by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 19) Re: Kruten's Nieuport marking by Mike Fletcher 20) Re: Sopwith Triplane rigging by KarrArt@aol.com 21) Re: Bungee cord (old thread) by KarrArt@aol.com 22) Re: some of me is back vaguely by KarrArt@aol.com 23) Re: Nieuport 17 by KarrArt@aol.com 24) Re: Research by KarrArt@aol.com 25) Re: Squadron Albatros Book by KarrArt@aol.com 26) RE: Alb. D.III engine et al. by "Diego Fernetti" 27) Re: Sopwith Triplane rigging by "Sandy Adam" 28) Re: TC Models Vickers Vimy by "Sandy Adam" 29) RE: TC Models Vickers Vimy by "Diego Fernetti" 30) Re: Nieuport 17 by "cameron rile" 31) Re: Nieuport 17 by Ernest Thomas 32) Re: Nieuport 17 by Ernest Thomas 33) Re: Goeben models by "Mark L. Shannon" 34) Re: SMS Goeben by "Mark L. Shannon" 35) Re: Nieuport 17 by "cameron rile" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:22:08 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 Message-ID: <36EF11D0.904@bellsouth.net> Cam, Not to bust your chops or anything, but could you, and a few other listee's as well, go into the 'view' utility on you pc and 'WRAP LONG LINES'? Tia. E. 'Don't try to out-weird me! I get stranger things than you in my breakfast cereal.' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:28:09 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Survey on the web page Message-ID: <36EF1339.7E390000@ptdprolog.net> Just bought a Pasche. So far I like it a lot. I've also tried the cheapo version of the Aztec and it seems ok...very easy to clean. The interchaangeable nozzles for the Aztec are a nice touch. The Aztec nozzles do seem to have a tendency to clog up after awhile of painting. Mike Muth Allan Wright wrote: > New survey on the web page.... > > What is your favorite airbrush? > > So far I've listed Badger, Pasche, Aztec / Model-Master, what others? > > -Al > > =============================================================================== > Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! > University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- > Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu > =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:38:34 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Nieuport 17 Message-ID: Cam, > > Alternatively is there existing pictures of any of R.S > Dallas's Nieuport 17's? I'd rather a pic of his Tripehound, but FWIW I don't recall any. > > Shane, have you been to the Mount Morgan museum? apparently > it has a section for Dallas. Not for 20 years but.... The Queensland Museum about 500metres away has a large section about Dallas. Photos, his medals and at one time his dress sword *though* I have read that it was stolen (how the hell do you steal a sword from inside a locked glass case in a secured museum). No photos of a Nie17 as I recall. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:44:26 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: TC Models Vickers Vimy Message-ID: Hi all, I've just finished reading the latest (in Australia, Dec98) issue of Scale Models Int'l and drooling over the build review of the TC resin kit of this aircraft. Given that I don't think I'm likely to afford one in this lifetime, I'd appreciate if anyone who has the kit, or better yet is building it, can give me a few vicarious thrills by telling us what *they* think of the kit (and maybe how it's going together) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:44:02 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Squadron Albatros Book Message-ID: (I've been on & off the list for the past few months and may have missed this subject if it appeared.) Recently I picked up the latest Squadron edition of Alb. D series which I thought was a reprint of an earlier edition on the same subject. This edition didn't seem to be as extensive as the older issue as I recall it to be. There were a few mistakes that I thought were so blatant even a novice like me immediately spotted them. For example there is at least one illustration of a D-V with both aileron horns and control wires from the ailerons to the lower wing! An Oeffag Alb illustration on the back isn't identified as a 153 or 253 series and is difficult to tell if you don't see the scalloped elevator. There were a few other minor glitches that, all in all, made me feel somewhat dissatisfied with this issue. After studying the Mikesh and the JaPo Oeffag books, this one was a let-down. Matt Z. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:35:51 -0800 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: Sopwith Triplane rigging Message-ID: <001f01be701e$fcd06c40$5215c0d8@bill> Thank you Shane, I found the reference, and the top one is a bungee and the bottom is a cable as you described. I also have to figure how to work the transparent panels in the bottom wing in, what I will probably do is to satin coat everthing then put some real shiny black decal panels on the bottom wing. If I am feeling clever enough, I might try starting with black decal, sketching in something vague in light color, then coating with Tamiya Smoke. But then, WTH may set in first. The next project is calling... Bill Neill >*IF* <-- and that's a big *if* ...IRC, the controls for the Tripehound go >through the lower wing to the bottom aileron. It is attached to the middle >aileron by a wire cable and *it* is attached to the top aileron by the same >method. A control cable then goes from the aileron hornforward into the wing >and around a pulley inside the wing attached to the front spar. The aileron >balance cable goes from there across to the other wind, round another pulley >and back to the other apper aileron control horn and thence back to the >cockpit in a similar manner to the other wing. > >You *could* use bungees on the top wing to provide the upward action, but it >isn't needed if there's a balance cable. I believe there must be, because I >vaguely recall clearview inspection panels in the wings at the pulley >positions (and maybe also at the centre section). > >My database says that there is an Arthur Bentley drawn cutaway in the July >1990 issue. Between that and the Datafile (#22) it should be possible to >confirm the presence of a balance cable in which case I'd say that bungee >return cords would be unlikely > >Shane > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:42:06 -0800 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: Triplane rigging... Message-ID: <002901be701f$c31ce360$5215c0d8@bill> I just looked again, and the top aileron control is a cable/pulley as well. You have to look at the other (covered) wing in the Bentley drawing, then back to the skeleton one. then all is clear... Bill Neill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:51:17 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Nieuport 17 Message-ID: Hey me !!! You forgot to add something idiot. > The Queensland Museum about 500metres away has a large > section about Dallas. > Photos, his medals and at one time his dress sword *though* I > have read that it was stolen (how the hell do you steal a sword from inside > a locked glass case in a secured museum). No photos of a Nie17 as I recall. > A member of my model club is also on the staff at QM. It occurs to me that a nicely phrased question will elicit anything more that they have, and I'll do just that at our meeting on Saturday Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:33:29 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 Message-ID: <36EF1479.3A4B@worldnet.att.net> Say, I have a reference with a nice picture of Dallas in a camouflaged SE5a. Very odd looking. Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:36:26 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Squadron Albatros Book Message-ID: <36EF152A.5189@worldnet.att.net> Matthew Zivich wrote: > > > (I've been on & off the list for the past few months and may have missed > this subject if it appeared.) > > Recently I picked up the latest Squadron edition of Alb. D series > which I thought was a reprint of an earlier edition on the same subject. > This edition didn't seem to be as extensive as the older issue as I > recall it to be. There were a few mistakes that I thought were so blatant > even a novice like me immediately spotted them. For example there is at > least one illustration of a D-V with both aileron horns and control wires > from the ailerons to the lower wing! An Oeffag Alb illustration on the > back isn't identified as a 153 or 253 series and is difficult to tell if > you don't see the scalloped elevator. > There were a few other minor glitches that, all in all, made me > feel somewhat dissatisfied with this issue. After studying the Mikesh > and the JaPo Oeffag books, this one was a let-down. > > Matt Z. Yes, the general consensus on this series (WWI) is that while inexpensive, they have mistakes. Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:09:48 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Sopwith Triplane rigging Message-ID: Bill, > I also have to figure how> to work the > transparent panels in the bottom wing in, When the kit was released I wondered if they could be done in real 3D, so I butchered one wing to test a theory. Here's what I did. 1. Drill a hole a little larger than the inspection panel all the way through 2. Fit a disk of card into the hole at top. It needs to be as thin as possible and still have enough body to allow sanding to match the rest of the wing surface, which I did next. Paint lower side of disk darkened linen colour 3. Make a tiny card box, inner dimensions as large as you can get and still fit the box into the hole. NO top or bottom. Paint inside in timber colour, one side black (rear?) because the hole is actually agains the spar and between ribs and one side is hollow) 4. Mount a teeny disk on the spar side of the box, prepainted as a pulley. I added a fragment of ceramic fibre rigging too - ideal because it's rigid. 5. Glue box into the round hole, hard against the disk. Putty all around (I used Milliput, solvent putties should be avoided at all costs though CyA gap filling glue would work 6. Sand the excess box and putty away. 7. Glue a THIN acetate square larger than the hole over the pulley. Sand and polish 8. Look at the references again. 9. The real thing has a panel stitched and doped on the surface which stands proud and obvious. Clever painting should replicate the look just fine. Step 9 is the only part I have yet to do. All in all about an hours work, so you can probably do all of the inspection ports in two hours. I found this easier than the prospect of getting the wires straight, so I went back to the Biff :-( Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:08:57 -0600 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: HTML mailers please read Message-ID: <001301be7023$80386b60$b93df1cf@WWA.wwa.com> If you're using Outlook Express, please click Tools, Options, Send, and select the Plain Text radio button. Bill Ciciora ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:40:12 +0900 From: "Hirohisa Ozaki" To: Subject: RE: Kruten's Nieuport marking Message-ID: <013301be7027$dceb5bc0$b11db684@dosv64.miln.mei.co.jp> Thank you, Mike Fletcher. Is Kazakov's decal same?(mistake) Eduard Ni.17? Hiro -----Original Message----- From: Mike Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Kruten's Nieuport marking >the toko kit is wrong - they provided markings for a 21, not an 11. >-- >Mike Fletcher ___ ., >mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; >mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" >icq=19554083 @ > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:59:26 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Sopwith Triplane rigging Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990316225926.00717988@pop.mindspring.com> >7. Glue a THIN acetate square larger than the hole over the pulley. Sand and >polish You could also fill the whole thing with CA. This stuff will sand & polish glass smooth & glass clear when you work it down with progressively finer grits. It wouldn't be as fragile as the acetate during the polishing. sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:37:41 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Triplane rigging Message-ID: <199903170437.UAA11207@compass.OregonVOS.net> Bill Neill writes: > >Hi folks, >Anyone out there live on line who can help me with a rigging issue? >I am nearly done rigging, but I think the short bits from the aileron >control horns into the wing are actually bungees and not wires? You are thinking correctly - although you are probably suffering from a terminal case of AMS if you are thinking of incorporating the difference in a model smaller than 1/32 scale. :-) Cheer and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:46:43 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Goeben models Message-ID: <199903170446.UAA16143@compass.OregonVOS.net> I am in correspondence with a person whose father (or father in law) served as a midshipman on the Goeben and who is looking for a model of that ship. Does anyone know if such a model exists (perhaps among the 1/1200 scale wargamers supplies) and any good source for such a model, if it exists? TIA Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:14:53 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: multiple recipients of list Subject: goin fishin Message-ID: <36EF3A4D.5E3C@bellsouth.net> Due to a long forgotten back order, I suddenly find myself with an extra Eduard N.17(RFC version). And while I'm not even sure if I want to let it go, I was wondering what people might be willing to offer for trade. I'm not trying to auction it to the highest bidder, I'm just looking to see if I may be able to pick up something that's missing from the pile of 'to do' kits. A Datatfile on a PC-10 subject would be nice as well. Decals for the Aroura Gotha? Interested parties should contact me off list. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:22:13 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 Message-ID: <36EFE4C5.6F24@ricochet.net> John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: > > Say, I have a reference with a nice picture of Dallas in a camouflaged > SE5a. Very odd looking. > > Cyg. IIRC, there's a profile of this 'plane on the AFC web page...interpreted as chesnut brown over PC10, but it sorta looks like it could be three colors to me. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:38:37 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Kruten's Nieuport marking Message-ID: <36EF4DED.1B127722@mars.ark.com> I will have to get back to you on that one - my references are still packed. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 02:10:19 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Triplane rigging Message-ID: <57dd8dab.36ef555b@aol.com> In a message dated 3/16/99 1:59:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, fm98ccon@rapier.wbs.warwick.ac.uk writes: << I think if they were bungees the pilot would have "mushy" controls? Just my humble opinion.- >> Several planes did have bungee cords instead of full-blown return cable systems. Seems like the DH-2 was one of these these. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 02:10:20 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bungee cord (old thread) Message-ID: <3eefd4dd.36ef555c@aol.com> In a message dated 3/16/99 1:39:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, tomwerner.hansen@c2i.net writes: << Bungee cord colour. My source for choosing a darkish grey is the Woodman article on detailing the Pfalz which has a close-up of the bungee cord on the undercarriage of the Pfalz D.III. It looks definitely dark. Tom >> Looking at shots of the USAf Museum's Halberstadt, it has what is either dark gray or black cords. The reference I made to light gray in a previous post refered to British. But I know I have seen light German bungee cords! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 02:10:23 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: some of me is back vaguely Message-ID: <5a3a396f.36ef555f@aol.com> In a message dated 3/16/99 1:11:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, Suvoroff@aol.com writes: << Come OOOONNNN!!!!! Where are the PICTURES!?!?!?!?! Yours, James D. Gray >> allright allright! RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 02:10:18 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/99 6:25:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: << E. 'Don't try to out-weird me! I get stranger things than you in my breakfast cereal.' >> Do you need a hat? RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 02:10:22 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Research Message-ID: <7a82e822.36ef555e@aol.com> In a message dated 3/16/99 3:15:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, Suvoroff@aol.com writes: << I am beginning to get that nasty itch that Robert Karr and Shane suffer from so much, and I fear must "scratch" it. However, I could use some help in two areas; >> aaaahhhhhhooooooooo. Get the calamine quick! As for references, I've always done it the old fashioned way- searched for everything I could find while driving myself crazy. Twice I've written to museums- both times in the early 80s. First time to the USAf museum with an off-topic question. I didn't really need pictures or anything. A couple of weeks after I wrote, I got a small package from the museum with a letter answering my question, and a couple of photo copies showing exactly what was needed. A bit later, I wrote NASM with some questions. About 15 months later, long after I had forgotten what it was all about, I got an envelope with a photocopy from some book I already had, and no text or letter. Just digging through a lot of stuff yields unexpected results- one of the main skeletal photos I used for the 0/400 was in one of the Nieuport DataFile specials of all places. For drawings, I try not to rely on one set- I like to find a bunch from different sources, compare them against photos and then make my own drawings. I'll write more on all this later- but it's late and I'm tired! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 02:10:17 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Squadron Albatros Book Message-ID: <22c32b6b.36ef5559@aol.com> In a message dated 3/16/99 6:57:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, Janah@worldnet.att.net writes: << Yes, the general consensus on this series (WWI) is that while inexpensive, they have mistakes. Cyg. >> Yeah- the Squadron Pubs WW I entries do have mistakes, but because they're so inexpensive, they're pretty good deals just to get the photos, although the Fokker Triplane volume had a bunch of questionable pics of a not very well done modern repro. Robert K. nu............the Albatros conversion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:54:32 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Alb. D.III engine et al. Message-ID: <003201be705c$2bdf28e0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> >On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:34:33 -0500 (EST) mkendix > writes: >>part for the Hit Kit Albatros D.III? I think it's supposed to be a >>Mercedes D.IIIa liquid cooled 6 cylinder inline, 175 hp. > >If you're building it into an A-H machine, you need an Austro-Daimler. >Barry has the 200hp kind, which was used in the 153 series (the 53 used >the 185hp and the 253 series used the 225hp). >Matt Bittner > Or you can try http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v2/v2n1/engines.html where there's a nice article about scratchbuilding AH engines. D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:49:43 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Sopwith Triplane rigging Message-ID: <199903171004.KAA01432@beryl.sol.co.uk> > 1. Drill a hole a little larger than the inspection panel all the way > Step 9 is the only part I have yet to do. ...... ....and you only take three years to make a kit? I take my hat off to you, Shane (- oops I actually missed the "h" when I typed your name but speedily inserted it as your name certainly didn't look right without it!) I usually paint them - but Bill's idea of black would not look right to me. These panels usually appear light in colour. On most restored aircraft they are clear but I think the original celluloid would yellow fairly quickly in sunshine. I mask a square, paint yellowish tone then splodge some yellow-green on before removing mask. FWIW. Sandy PS if you want more detail on aileron and control cables, I recommend the RAF Museum reprint of the Official Technical Rigging notes. It lists all wires, with dimensions and part numbers. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:32:03 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: TC Models Vickers Vimy Message-ID: <199903171031.KAA02173@beryl.sol.co.uk> I had a good look at the Vimy kit and the completed model that TC had made himself at the Nationals last year. I also saw the one in the Mannock Trophy (which I think is the one by Joel Christby (Sp?) that appears in the mag.) It is a typical TC product with very heavy cockpit detailing - big chunky edges to everything, and lots of pockmarks etc on the resin wings. I didn't think the JC model was all that good with some very slack rigging and was not surprised it wasn't placed. The resin wings on these kits (Short 184, Felix F2a & Vimy) are extremely heavy and you have to take this into account before building - the rigging will need to be functional to hold the wings up - as well as to stay taught. Having said that, what other 1/48 Vimy are you going to get? - I had major problems with the Short and swithered long and hard about whether to buy another TC. They are expensive (although I know he puts a lot of work into them) and I would not pay the asking price for the big ones. I told Tony this and he said "make me an offer" - I did and immediately owned a Felixstowe - I'm sure I could have had a Vimy as well for even less but don't think I would ever actually make it. (I haven't started the F2a yet!) So if you are a Vimy freak - and being Australian, with the Ross/Smith subject I can understand the attraction for you - love is blind. But I suggest you see one for yourself before you buy. Sandy PS I've a National Geographic with terrific pics of the restored Vimy flight if you do buy the kit. ---------- > From: Shane Weier > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: TC Models Vickers Vimy > Date: 17 March 1999 02:43 > > Hi all, > > I've just finished reading the latest (in Australia, Dec98) issue of Scale > Models Int'l and drooling over the build review of the TC resin kit of this > aircraft. > > Given that I don't think I'm likely to afford one in this lifetime, I'd > appreciate if anyone who has the kit, or better yet is building it, can give > me a few vicarious thrills by telling us what *they* think of the kit (and > maybe how it's going together) > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:44:36 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: TC Models Vickers Vimy Message-ID: <000f01be7063$2ae868a0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> -----Mensaje original----- De: Sandy Adam the F2a yet!) > >So if you are a Vimy freak - and being Australian, with the Ross/Smith >subject I can understand the attraction for you - love is blind. But I >suggest you see one for yourself before you buy. >Sandy >PS I've a National Geographic with terrific pics of the restored Vimy >flight if you do buy the kit. > >---------- The Vimy in the National Geographic is 100% new, its construction based in old plans and manufactiring methods. Only the instrumentation and engines were modern items. That article in the NGS magazine makes me dream awake everytime I pull the magazine from the shelf :-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:34:53 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 Message-ID: <199903170436543@cameron.prontomail.com> Ernest wrote : >Not to bust your chops or anything, but could you, and a few other >listee's as well, go into the 'view' utility on you pc and 'WRAP LONG >LINES'? Tia. sure not a problem, I didnt realise it was happening as I dont receive my own mail bounced back at me from the list. Prontomail has a funny browser editing window which isnt customisable at all. Sorry to those affected. cam AFC Page at : http://memebrs.xoom.com/_XOOM/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:43:27 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 Message-ID: <36EFA36F.A7D@bellsouth.net> cameron rile wrote: > sure not a problem, I didnt realise it was happening as I dont receive > my own mail bounced back at me from the list. Prontomail has a funny > browser editing window which isnt customisable at all. Sorry to those > affected. > Thanks Mate, that's much better. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:20:42 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 Message-ID: <36EFAC2A.4D69@bellsouth.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > Do you need a hat? Two of them, actually. And three gloves. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:31:55 -0600 From: "Mark L. Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Goeben models Message-ID: <199903171339.HAA11084@dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com> I believe there is a resin kit of the Goeben (or the near sister, Moltke) available from Pitroad/Skywave of White Ensign Models in 1/700 scale. I'm not sure about the source, and I'm trying to recall which ones have been kitted, I know there is a von der Tann, a Seydlitz, and a Lutzow/Derflingerer. I would try Pacific Front Models (on the web) or White Ensign Models. Probably the best place to start is the Tony Mattelliano's links page http://www.buffnet.net/~tonym/ The resin ships are not cheap, nor easy to build, but except for the card models, they're the only game in town as far as WWI ships are concerned. A ballpark figure for a 1/700 resin battleship kit is $75-90 U.S. White Ensign Models seem to be among the most complete kits, they ship their own kits worldwide, postage free. (I know, TINSTAAFL). .Mark. ---------- > From: Bill Shatzer > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Goeben models > Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 10:48 PM > > > > I am in correspondence with a person whose father (or father > in law) served as a midshipman on the Goeben and who is looking > for a model of that ship. > > Does anyone know if such a model exists (perhaps among the > 1/1200 scale wargamers supplies) and any good source for > such a model, if it exists? > > TIA > > Cheers and all, > > > > -- > Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org > > "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." > -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:19:17 -0600 From: "Mark L. Shannon" To: Subject: Re: SMS Goeben Message-ID: <199903171416.IAA27556@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> I found that Classic Warships has a resin kit of the Goeben in 1/700 scale. They want $65U.S. for it. The kit is the basics, the hull and the bridge decks in resin, the turrets, main guns, deck ventilators, and fittings in white metal. I do not know anything about the quality of the instructions. You have to scratchbuild the masts, cranes, etc. and buy any detail sets separately. Fortunately, if you look at the WWI German battlecruisers, they had a relatively simple plan. In 1/1200 scale, a company called Navis (not to be confused with the on-line magazine) has the WWI line fairly well covered, including the Goeben. I know nothing about their prices or quality, having only seen the built-up kits. Try going to http://warship.simplenet.com/index.htm and going through their ads. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:37:27 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 Message-ID: <199903170739303@cameron.prontomail.com> Shane wrote : >I'd rather a pic of his Tripehound, but FWIW I don't recall any. Only one I have seen is the one of D3511 which seems to get in just about every generic book on WWI avaition. And there are a couple of him sitting in a Bebe but no detail beyond the immeadiate cokpit area and his face and shoulders. There is a pic of the CDL tripe N500 on the web at : http://www.aviation-magazine.com/sopwith/triplane.html What other photo's of his aircraft are in existance or known? >The Queensland Museum about 500metres away has a large section about Dallas. Well, that saved me writing a letter to the wrong address. >Photos, his medals and at one time his dress sword *though* I have read that >it was stolen (how the hell do you steal a sword from inside a locked glass >case in a secured museum). No photos of a Nie17 as I recall. lol this from a state that has house sale yards, you buy your house, it gets trucked to your land and then they put your house down aligning it via ropes round telegraph poles. If houses are getting treated like cars, swords are probably treated like hotel courtesy toothpicks and there for the taking. Sad though that ppl will souveneir from museums, it is a pretty anti social action. >A member of my model club is also on the staff at QM. It occurs to me that a >nicely phrased question will elicit anything more that they have, and I'll >do just that at our meeting on Saturday my ears are bending halfway across the pacific in anticipation. Thank you. cam AFC page at : http://memebers.xoom.com/_Xoom/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1498 **********************