WWI Digest 1487 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Hawkeye Fokker Dr.I by Matthew E Bittner 2) List Initiation was: Re: Rigging WAS : WWI Model Building by "Steven M. Perry" 3) Re: Rigging WAS : WWI Model Building references? by "Sandy Adam" 4) Re: List Initiation was: Re: Rigging WAS : WWI Model Building by "Sandy Adam" 5) Re: Rigging by "Mark Shanks" 6) RE: Swirl Pattern Fabric Decals by "Richard Caudron" 7) RE: Toko On-Line! by "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" 8) Re: Swirl Pattern Fabric Decals by Allan Wright 9) Re: Toko On-Line! by Allan Wright 10) Re: WWI Model Building references? by "Costas Condoleon" 11) Bit off topic was - Re: List Initiation was: Re: Rigging WAS : WWI Model Building by "cameron rile" 12) Re: WWI Model Building references? by mkendix 13) RE: Scales by Shane Weier 14) RE: Scales by Shane Weier 15) Re: Bit off topic was - Re: List Initiation was: Re: Rigging WAS : WWI Model Building by "Brad Gossen" 16) Re: WWI Model Building references? by "Costas Condoleon" 17) Aerodrome Modeler by Matthew E Bittner 18) Re: WWI Model Building references? by Pedro e Francisca Soares 19) Re: WWI Model Building references? by Pedro e Francisca Soares 20) Flying Machine Press by Pedro e Francisca Soares 21) RE: Flying Machine Press by "Robert Woodbury" 22) Re: Flying Machine Press by mkendix 23) RE: WWI Model Building references? by "Robert Woodbury" 24) RE: Aerodrome Modeler by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 25) RE: WWI Model Building references? by Shane Weier 26) Re: Rigging by Ernest Thomas 27) Re: WWI Model Building references? by David & Carol Fletcher 28) RE: WWI Model Building references? by "Robert Woodbury" 29) Favorite Rigging Paint Color by Fernando Lamas 30) Re: WWI Model Building references? by "Costas Condoleon" 31) Re: Favorite Rigging Paint Color by Ernest Thomas 32) Re: WWI Model Building references? by "David Vosburgh" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 06:00:29 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Hawkeye Fokker Dr.I Message-ID: <19990310.060030.-826625.2.mbittner@juno.com> I am sending some extra notes Mr. Steve Hustad sent me regarding the Hawkeye Fokker Dr.I. He just finished two of them and thought these could help folks. No.4 is a bit vague, because he wrote these notes after the fact, and couldn't remember if the holes should be widened on the inside, or the outside. Additional Notes for the Hawkeye 1/72nd Fokker Dr.I 1. Dremel down the cockpit tubs’ floor about 1/64th of an inch, since the photoetch insert is ever so slightly too tall for the turtledeck piece to fit as is. 2. Carve off the circular section on the rear of the engine, and glue a new, smaller diameter section in it’s place. This is because the photoetch engine plumbing piece’s center hold is smaller than the diameter of the resin engine’s circular section. 3. Cut off the photoetch engine plumbing’s cylinder heads, since they’re redundant as they are contained on the resin engine. However, if you do want to use the photoetch cylinder heads, then cut off the resin engine’s cylinder heads, and bend the photoetch ends 90 degrees. 4. Experiment with the interplane strut positions when opening up the center wing’s slots to receive the struts. They must be widened to either the inside or the outside for the struts to be set in place truly vertical with the lower and upper wing attachment points. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:30:13 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: List Initiation was: Re: Rigging WAS : WWI Model Building Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990310103013.007971d0@pop.mindspring.com> >>At very least they should swear upon a stack of >>Datafiles *never* to mention *that* aircraft ! >Amen, Brother! >Matt Bittner Perhaps we could require newbees to provide a photo of a smashed or otherwise defiled B(ar)f 10thingie model or kit. sp Who works at a Sewage Treatment Facility and has lots of options for "defiled". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:36:42 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Rigging WAS : WWI Model Building references? Message-ID: <199903101535.PAA17409@beryl.sol.co.uk> > I'm not entirely new but is there a kit that's unbuildable? Actually, > perhaps I could start a thread "Kits that are unbuildable". Presumably every kit is buildable - its a matter of where, and how much, OOB building becomes scratchbuilding. One or two kits (Glencoe Albatri) have caused the reaction in me that the result just would not be worth the effort, it would be easier to scratch completely. I'd hoped not to feel that way again but then the Merlin Nieuport 12 arrived sight-unseen from Hannant's last sale. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:42:44 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: List Initiation was: Re: Rigging WAS : WWI Model Building Message-ID: <199903101541.PAA17635@beryl.sol.co.uk> > sp > Who works at a Sewage Treatment Facility and has lots of options for "defiled". As Spike Milligan reported a lavatory attendant saying to him once: "It may be just s**t to you, but it's bread and butter to me!" Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:08:40 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rigging Message-ID: <199903101657.IAA17478@mailhost.fltdyn.com> All of this writing on rigging has been conducted whilst I was out for a day. Please let me contribute some thoughts on the subject. 1. "Sewing" has to be the most frustrating and time-consuming way to do this. Period. 2. ANY fiber-based material is inherently a "bad thing". Period. 3. If you keep stretching your sprue, you WILL go blind. 4. "Invisible" fishing line is not exactly the "look" you're aiming for. 5. I have NOT found a reasonable substitute for stainless steel wire. I have found a source that will sell a lifetime supply (50 feet) of .005" wire for $32 (US) - I am going to order a roll and let the list know how this works out. In the meantime, I'm still using the .004" stuff I have left over from Airknocker. Here's why: a. You take the curl out by passing a length through a candle flame (under tension, held by pliers) 'till it glows red. After cooling (a matter of seconds), it will maintain that "straightness" with no worry of sag, bending, or softness. It retains enough "spring" to make things less death-defying or stoamch-tightening. b. No coloring/painting required. The "chrome" look is taken off when you anneal it - you end up with a dark, neither black nor silver, **wire**. c. Using pre-drilled holes, the rigging is simplicity itself. Use a set of dividers to approximate the specific length you need, cut off a section slightly larger than that, and then modify accordingly after trial fittings. I use cyanoacrylate - dip each end of the wire in a samll puddle before the final fit. I have not seen anything to beat the final look of this method. The .005" stuff can work in either 1/72 or 1/48th scale - your preference may vary, depending on the original you are modeling. You CAN get larger sizes (of course). I like this size because it's still *visible* without being "cable-like". Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:09:56 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: Swirl Pattern Fabric Decals Message-ID: <000301be6b21$341a8a80$b7605c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> It make sence. Richard Caudron > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Modelhound@aol.com > Sent: vrijdag 5 maart 1999 5:51 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Swirl Pattern Fabric Decals > > > In a message dated 3/4/99 4:39:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, > michel.lefort@ping.be writes: > > Why trade? Why not let everyone on the list get the benefit of it??? > Philippe and I are developing interesting WWI scheme with my ALPS (time > permitting). When everything is OK, we'll share it. > Just my 2 cents worth. > Regards. >> > > I write: > If anyone wants to print their own decals I will send you a > bitmap file of one > segment of the repeated pattern as an attached file. You can then cut and > paste and print as much of the fabric as you wish. For those of the list > members who don't have an ALPS printer, I will furnish 8 1/2" x > 11" sheets of > Tango Papa decal paper covered with bolts of swirl pattern > fabric, similar to > the German lozenge decal sheets. The decal paper, the printer > ribbons, and > all cost me money, so I want something in trade, anything on > topic will do. > > Mike > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:36:02 -0700 From: "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Toko On-Line! Message-ID: <5DA4C4BE65D9D111A6FC0060081FD2189E7338@SNEFFELS> Whoops! I was cut off for a short time. Where is it? Michael -----Original Message----- From: Suvoroff@aol.com [mailto:Suvoroff@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 2:05 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Toko On-Line! Quothe the Innimitable Matt Bittner; "Woo hoo!! Toko now has a web site. Check out:" Spiffy! Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:09:21 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Swirl Pattern Fabric Decals Message-ID: <199903102009.PAA07364@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > It make sence. > Richard Caudron I can start a new file area for original decal images for use with the ALPS printers. Send completed images with instructions and I'll put them on the site in a special spot. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:11:49 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Toko On-Line! Message-ID: <199903102011.PAA07425@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Whoops! I was cut off for a short time. Where is it? http://www.scalemodel-su.com/toko/eng.htm It's also on the links page of my site..... =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:27:15 -0000 From: "Costas Condoleon" To: Subject: Re: WWI Model Building references? Message-ID: <007601be6b34$62c4f920$6d52cd89@bsqea.rapier.wbs.warwick.ac.uk> As I said, since from September I'm away from my homebase, all I can contribute to this group is by memory. It reaally bugs me that I can't get something in my hands to play with, but at least it's good to keep in touch with other loonies like myself ;) Yes you are right about the painting. If you try to paint the wing topside after the rigging, you have to be a *master* in masking and maybe a masochist. Last kit I built (1/72 Blackburn T3a Velos), I remember I painted *and* weathered whole of the top wing before I glued it in place. The threads were prepared before painting the rest of the kit though (again, easy to paint if you bundle the threads and hold them away). In the end I just touched up with paint the points in the topside of the top wing (damn my english) where the rigging goes through, after I filled and sanded the holes. PS dont look for that kit. Closest you can get is T2 Dart Constantine Condoleon IPMS Greece >> >> Then how do you spray paint the completed fuselage? << >> >> My kits are 100% complete before I start any rigging with the >> exceptions of the holes. Check out DURAS on my web site for my rigging >> method. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:45:22 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Bit off topic was - Re: List Initiation was: Re: Rigging WAS : WWI Model Building Message-ID: <199903101248273@cameron.prontomail.com> Sandy wrote : "As Spike Milligan reported a lavatory attendant saying to him once: "It may be just s**t to you, but it's bread and butter to me!" " A quick story on that subject, I have a mate back home, " Bluey Mad Dog Morgs " ( he not only has the surname Morgan , but has red hair too ) who is a plumber. His company was doing a job at a Hospital and had told the Hospital staff to not use the toilets. Morgs heard someone flush from a above and quickly told his new apprentice to check the rim of the pipe for corrosion. Naturally ( according to Morgs ) the defacation from a storey up hit the apprentice in the hand. The Apprentice threw up. Morgs philosophy about it was "Its all mud to me mate" Just thought I would share a reminisence. cam AFC page at : http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:48:55 -0500 (EST) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI Model Building references? Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Costas Condoleon wrote: > As I said, since from September I'm away from my homebase, all I can > contribute to this group is by memory. It reaally bugs me that I can't get > something in my hands to play with, but at least it's good to keep in touch > with other loonies like myself ;) Costas: Thanks for the complement, I'm sure. But surely there's at least a couple of OK model shops in Coventry. You're at the University of Warwick, right? Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 06:58:56 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Scales Message-ID: RK, > << > >..and turnbuckles > > > > > > That function... > > > > > > In left and right hand thread.... > > With safety wires.... And the makers name moulded on the side.... Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:00:31 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Scales Message-ID: Sandy, > > > >> Anybody make an aftermarket photo-etch cockpit and engine > > > >>detail set? > > > >..and turnbuckles > > > That function... > > In left and right hand thread.... > > Yep - got one right here - now let me just read the > manufacturer's name > stamped on the side and....... Oh s**t, I've dropped it! Rats, I was too slow. But man, I gotta sleep sometime. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:00:14 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Bit off topic was - Re: List Initiation was: Re: Rigging WAS : WWI Model Building Message-ID: <199903102059.PAA26032@mail5.globalserve.net> Truly, a story from 'Down Under'! ---------- > From: cameron rile > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Bit off topic was - Re: List Initiation was: Re: Rigging WAS : WWI Model Building > Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 3:48 PM > > Sandy wrote : "As Spike Milligan reported a lavatory attendant saying to him once: "It may be just s**t to you, but it's bread and butter to me!" " > > A quick story on that subject, I have a mate back home, " Bluey Mad Dog Morgs " ( he not only has the surname Morgan , but has red hair too ) who is a plumber. His company was doing a job at a Hospital and had told the Hospital staff to not use the toilets. Morgs heard someone flush from a above and quickly told his new apprentice to check the rim of the pipe for corrosion. Naturally ( according to Morgs ) the defacation from a storey up hit the apprentice in the hand. The Apprentice threw up. Morgs philosophy about it was "Its all mud to me mate" > > Just thought I would share a reminisence. > > cam > > > > > AFC page at : http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:30:00 -0000 From: "Costas Condoleon" To: Subject: Re: WWI Model Building references? Message-ID: <001201be6b3d$275c73a0$6d52cd89@bsqea.rapier.wbs.warwick.ac.uk> Remembering my "laboratory" back home and sitting in a dorm room 2x2m is not teh best combination. I have brought some miniature figures (yes, I am alot more twisted than you thought and I have some scanned pix too for anyone who's interested) since they take a lot less space and require very few basic stuff to build, but even then I haven't been able to look for a graphic supplies store in Coventry or a model shop (I still have to buy brushes, primers, sandpaper etc). I tell you, The MBA is eating up most of my time. bummer! PS its exams time now, so I'm sitting in front of the PC all day -hence the multiple daily postings. Yikes, come to think of it, this list has become my only contact with the outside world. Constantine Condoleon IPMS Greece -----Original Message----- From: mkendix To: Multiple recipients of list Date: 10 March 1999 21:02 Subject: Re: WWI Model Building references? >On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Costas Condoleon wrote: > >> As I said, since from September I'm away from my homebase, all I can >> contribute to this group is by memory. It reaally bugs me that I can't get >> something in my hands to play with, but at least it's good to keep in touch >> with other loonies like myself ;) > >Costas: > >Thanks for the complement, I'm sure. But surely there's at least a >couple of OK model shops in Coventry. You're at the University of >Warwick, right? > >Michael >mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:30:42 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Aerodrome Modeler Message-ID: <19990310.163047.-873923.2.mbittner@juno.com> I was just contacted by someone who ordered the Aerodrome Modeler CD - and has since unsubscribed - and was wondering about its status. I think Bob's heading this. What's the status, Bob? Also, Al, what about the site CD? That too was asked of me. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:57:09 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI Model Building references? Message-ID: <36E6DCA4.B85E3CB3@mail.telepac.pt> Shane Weier wrote: > It occurs to me to note that several members here actually paint their > rigging, something I don't do at all. Maybe mine looks all wrong, but I > can't imagine painting all that thread without my managing to get a cruddy > result, all thick and uneven. I dips me lid to yer.... > > Shane Same by me. I've been using 1.10 mm nylon fishing line but a couple of days ago I finally found what I believe is what you call invisible thread - transparent polyamid monofilament - made by a UK company. It comes in a choice of clear (identical to fishing line) and what I'd describe as smoke. I choose the latter and I believe it'll work OK. Will try it on my current Camel project one. Pedro n.b. - Sopwith Camel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:07:00 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI Model Building references? Message-ID: <36E6DEF3.F550AABD@mail.telepac.pt> Costas Condoleon wrote: > MY TECHNIQUE ON BIPES "WINGING" AND RIGGING Costas, First of all welcome from Portugal. Great to have another country represented on the list. 2nd, Many thanks for your very interesting posting on winging and rigging. Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:11:01 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: WW1 modeling list Subject: Flying Machine Press Message-ID: <36E6DFE5.F046600F@mail.telepac.pt> Gang, Anyone this side of the Pond (Sandy, Graham, Michel, Philllipe etc..) has already ordered anything direct from FMP? I've sent them a fax quite a while ago (more than a month) ordering the softbound books they had on sale but haven't yet received them. How long should I expect to wait? TIA Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:51:56 +0800 From: "Robert Woodbury" To: Subject: RE: Flying Machine Press Message-ID: <000201be6b59$5c76bf20$91107482@robertw-pc-fl.per.clw.csiro.au> > Anyone this side of the Pond (Sandy, Graham, Michel, Philllipe etc..) > has already ordered anything direct from FMP? > > I've sent them a fax quite a while ago (more than a month) ordering the > softbound books they had on sale but haven't yet received them. How long > should I expect to wait? Pedro, I also faxed an order in during the sale- still haven't received anything either- other than a flyer telling me about the sale(!?). Anyway, I've found surface delivery can take up to 12 weeks- so it's not close to panic time yet. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:44:29 -0500 (EST) From: mkendix To: Pedro e Francisca Soares Subject: Re: Flying Machine Press Message-ID: Pedro: I ordered something from them about 1 month ago and it took about 7-10 days but I live in Maryland, so I don't know. When I attempted to contact them by phone, I was only able to get the answering machine. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Pedro e Francisca Soares wrote: > Gang, > > Anyone this side of the Pond (Sandy, Graham, Michel, Philllipe etc..) > has already ordered anything direct from FMP? > > I've sent them a fax quite a while ago (more than a month) ordering the > softbound books they had on sale but haven't yet received them. How long > should I expect to wait? > > TIA > > Pedro > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:10:28 +0800 From: "Robert Woodbury" To: Subject: RE: WWI Model Building references? Message-ID: <000401be6b5b$f3b3dec0$91107482@robertw-pc-fl.per.clw.csiro.au> > Shane Weier wrote: > > > It occurs to me to note that several members here actually paint their > > rigging, something I don't do at all. Maybe mine looks all wrong, but I > > can't imagine painting all that thread without my managing to > get a cruddy > > result, all thick and uneven. I dips me lid to yer.... > > > > Shane Guys, Adding paint is a piece of pi**. Dip a piece of cloth/tissue/dunny paper in to your paint of interest. Grasp one end of your length of invisible thread and pull it through the cloth/tissue/dunny paper. The result is smoothly painted rigging wire. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:21:23 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Aerodrome Modeler Message-ID: <01BE6B2B.302D6640.panz-meador@vsti.com> matt: since bob evidently isn't around right now, i'll answer part (a) for him. we have successfully written a test CD created on my system using a batch of profiles that bob sent down. the CD was created on a win machine, can be read from a win machine, and bob has successfully read it on his mac. currently, bob is scanning and sending the pages down to me article by article. however, due to his work schedule and various commitments, the scanning is taking a while to complete. if i'm correct, however, we ARE nearing completion. once i have all the articles, they will be assembled into a logical order, a final test CD burned, and this sent to bob for mac compatibility testing, "niceness", etc. once he has OK'd the CD, i will burn the remainder (a large box sitting in my office right now...), and send them back to bob for distribution. phillip -----Original Message----- From: Matthew E Bittner [SMTP:mbittner@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 4:28 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Aerodrome Modeler I was just contacted by someone who ordered the Aerodrome Modeler CD - and has since unsubscribed - and was wondering about its status. I think Bob's heading this. What's the status, Bob? Also, Al, what about the site CD? That too was asked of me. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:32:33 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: WWI Model Building references? Message-ID: Rob > Adding paint is a piece of pi**. Dip a piece of > cloth/tissue/dunny paper in > to your paint of interest. Grasp one end of your length of > invisible thread and pull it through the cloth/tissue/dunny paper. The result > is smoothly painted rigging wire. ...which in my case invariably either waers off in patches and chunks, or starts out looking that way. Plus doesn't give me a finish preferable (IMHO) to the unpainted thread. Incidentally, I have tried this method with acrylics, enamels and lacquers with no greater adhesion. But that's all pretty irrelevant so long as I prefer the unpainted finish anyway :-) Shane (who has similar trouble keeping paint on copper wire....) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:39:45 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rigging Message-ID: <36E71EE1.4C5D@bellsouth.net> Mark Shanks wrote: > 5. I have NOT found a reasonable substitute for stainless steel wire. I agree with you Mark. Hard wire is by far the easiest material to use for rigging. I will try different things from time to time, but now that you've shared your secret to getting the wire straight, I'll be trying fewer alternative materials. Thanks for that tip. Though I've found white glue will hold the wires in place and it's much easier to clean up than ca when you spooge it a bit. Also allows the wire end to move a bit during temprature changes. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:40:00 -0800 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI Model Building references? Message-ID: <36E71EF0.525C@mars.ark.com> Costas Condoleon wrote: "I'm away from my homebase, all I can contribute to this group is by memory..." Don't feel bad about modelling in a 2m x 2m room - I built my Smer D.H.2 (rigged with fuse wire) in a hotel room in Preveza (site of the off-topic by 2,000 years Battle of Aktion where Anthony and Cleopatra's fleet was defeated) and carried it back to Germany in a box lunch box sitting on the E-3A [off-topic by about 40 years...] navigation table. I sanded many vacforms in both Preveza and Trapani during my operational flying days, resulting in many more kits started than are ever likely to get completed! In fact, I spent seven years separated from most of my references, which were in storage back in Canada - belated condolensces accepted. The initiative of modellers must know no constraints - you can build a 1/48th Ilya Muromets in the back of your car if you try hard enough... Has anyone else modelled in unusual circumstances and/or locations? Dave Fletcher, IPMS/Canada #390 dcf@mars.ark.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:49:21 +0800 From: "Robert Woodbury" To: Subject: RE: WWI Model Building references? Message-ID: <000601be6b61$625b4160$91107482@robertw-pc-fl.per.clw.csiro.au> > > Shane > (who has similar trouble keeping paint on copper wire....) > Agreed, copper wire is a pain to paint- the paint doesn't want to adhere to the surface. Must be all those free electrons. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:59:13 -0800 From: Fernando Lamas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Favorite Rigging Paint Color Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990310175913.007b9100@olympus.net> > >It occurs to me to note that several members here actually paint their >rigging..... For those of us who do paint our rigging.... What is your favorite rigging paint color? I tried Steel on one model and it looks too bright. I tried Gunmetal on another and it looks too dark. I was going to try to mix up something for the next one. I paint my monofilament fly-fishing line prior to rigging the model using the "Bi-Kid Method": Get an arm-length of line. Stretch the line between an 8 year old and a 7 year old. Paint quickly with brush. I'll try the "Q-Tip & Bottle Cap Method" next time. I've heard that Q-Tips and bottle caps rarely fight with each other. Fernando Lamas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 02:03:22 -0000 From: "Costas Condoleon" To: Subject: Re: WWI Model Building references? Message-ID: <001a01be6b63$57801a20$6d52cd89@bsqea.rapier.wbs.warwick.ac.uk> Try annealing the wire. The coating burns off, I think and it takes paint easier. Besides, annealed and unpainted copper wire makes great dirty plugging (wires, that is) cause it turns to a nice grey - brown slightly mettalic colour. >Shane >(who has similar trouble keeping paint on copper wire....) ========================================= || || Constantine Condoleon || IPMS Greece || fm98ccon@rapier.wbs.warwick.ac.uk || ========================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:06:54 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Favorite Rigging Paint Color Message-ID: <36E7253E.5D41@bellsouth.net> Fernando Lamas wrote: > the "Bi-Kid Method": Get an arm-length of line. Stretch the line between > an 8 year old and a 7 year old. Paint quickly with brush. Rotfl!!! btw, did the package arrive yet? E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:12:13 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: WWI Model Building references? Message-ID: <008601be6b64$94da7900$29d690d0@Pvosburg> Costas: First of all, from one inter-war loonie to another, welcome to the list. Next, where can you find the Dart you mentioned? This is on my Top Five Ugliest British Aeroplanes of All Time List, and I desperately want to build one... Regards, Dave -----Original Message----- From: Costas Condoleon To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 6:00 PM Subject: Re: WWI Model Building references? >PS dont look for that kit. Closest you can get is T2 Dart > >Constantine Condoleon >IPMS Greece > > >>> >> Then how do you spray paint the completed fuselage? << >>> >>> My kits are 100% complete before I start any rigging with the >>> exceptions of the holes. Check out DURAS on my web site for my rigging >>> method. > > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1487 **********************