WWI Digest 1470 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: 425/17 red by Shane Weier 2) RE: Red Color; was Guitar playing WW-1... by Shane Weier 3) Time on dope Was Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? Yes- Very OT by Pedro e Francisca Soares 4) Re: That time of the month by Pedro e Francisca Soares 5) RE: Perfectionists by Shane Weier 6) New Schiffer Book by BStett3770@aol.com 7) Re: Perfectionists by John & Allison Cyganowski 8) Re: Web page udate, again by bucky@ptdprolog.net 9) Re: Perfectionists by lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) 10) Re: New Schiffer Book by Matthew E Bittner 11) Hanriot HD.3 by Matthew E Bittner 12) Re: 425/17 red by Ernest Thomas 13) Re: Blue Max Wave / Ju DI Question by Ernest Thomas 14) RE: 425/17 red by Shane Weier 15) Re: 425/17 red by Ernest Thomas 16) Re: Dumb Question about Wet Sanding... by David & Carol Fletcher 17) Re: Hanriot by David & Carol Fletcher 18) Re: Off-topic -sorry - Fi-156 by David & Carol Fletcher 19) Re: Hanriot by Bob Pearson 20) Re: Dumb Question about Wet Sanding... by John & Allison Cyganowski 21) Re: Hanriot by Ernest Thomas 22) RE: Hanriot by Shane Weier 23) Re: Progress report.. by "Bill Neill" 24) Re: Progress report.. by Albatrosdv@aol.com 25) Re: Progress report.. by "Sharon Henderson" 26) Tom's Nie 24/24bis/27 conversion mini-review by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 27) lil brass thingies wasRe: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? by KarrArt@aol.com 28) water by Ernest Thomas 29) Re: lil brass thingies wasRe: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? by Ernest Thomas 30) Re: Tom's Nie 24/24bis/27 conversion mini-review by Albatrosdv@aol.com 31) Re: Progress report.. by Albatrosdv@aol.com 32) Derek Brown WAS: Perfectionists by "Diego Fernetti" 33) RE: water by "Diego Fernetti" 34) WALDRON PUNCH by "David R.L. Laws" 35) Re: WALDRON PUNCH by John & Allison Cyganowski 36) Bye by John & Allison Cyganowski 37) RE: WALDRON PUNCH by "Diego Fernetti" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:24:37 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: 425/17 red Message-ID: Ernest, > > AWM has several bits of 425/17 with impeccable credentials > - colour of > > darkish dried blood. > > > > Was reading a description of this colour by one of the > German researchers of > > 20+ years ago. He quoted interviews with 4 surviving Jasta > 11 members who > > said that Jasta 11 used a red the colour of dried blood. > > Well...how dry? Most of the dried blood I've ever seen was > almost black, and I've seen quite a bit. Even blood that's been smeared on a white > surface will dry to a very dark brown. > Maybe they meant the color of fresh blood, which is also VERY dark. So I got the quote wrong. Sue me ! ;-) Quoting Bruno Schmaling: "Former members of Jasta 11 told the author that the red colour was very dark, the actual words used to describe the shade of colouring being blood-red and like 'coagulated blood'" His acknowledgements read - Frau Helene Allmenroder, X Leinemuller, Richard Kraut and General C.A.Schoenebeck, and he also quotes Dr Gustav Bock and Karl Timm on other aspects of aircraft colours My observation of the 425/17 strut in the AWM is that the red is quite dark and brownish - perhaps a consequence of the 80 intervening years though there are *other* red items elsewhere in the AWM from WW1 and earlier which don't seem to have had any such thing happen. Whether the current colour is really representative of the original is therefore rather beyond my knowledge of the type of pigment used and its likely degree of decay Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:28:49 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Red Color; was Guitar playing WW-1... Message-ID: Rick, > What do the rest of you use for the proper red color on > German aircraft? > I've used Humbrol's # 60 with some success. Is there > anything else in acrylic or other brands that are closer > to the correct shade? TIA I'm afraid I cling rather tenaciously to the idea that that the proper German red in WW1 is whatever I fancy at the time *though* I am inclined not to use the brightest tones on the perhaps incorrect assumption that the reddest red pigments are more modern inventions - and thereby avoid some of the worst toylike excesses I'd otherwise commit. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 21:14:22 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Time on dope Was Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? Yes- Very OT Message-ID: <36DB032E.D6AD7001@mail.telepac.pt> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > The S D Museum has a piece of fabric supposed to be from 425/17. Kinda the > color of a knee after a bad roller skating accident. > Robert K. The effects of time and exposure on dope can be truly misleading. I was looking at some photos of a FBA we have at the Museu de Marinha (Navy museum) and the top of the CDL wings is absolutely brown while the undersides which have probably received much less exposure are still cream. I don't know where they kept the a/c before sending it to the museum but if not for the undersides of the wings, I'd never say that this aircraft had CDL wings. The brown is darker than the wood on the fuselage. just wondering after dinner, before going to check IM. Of course if you want to see the photos, just ask ;-). And BTW, I can play a few chords too on my old Ibanez classic. (All roadies can) Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 21:20:25 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: That time of the month Message-ID: <36DB0499.50883E59@mail.telepac.pt> Bob Pearson wrote: > Greetings all, > > Once again I get to beat Pedro and Matt to the announcement - Regards, Bob Pearson Bob Caught off guard again :-) Wish I had internet at work... Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:41:42 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Perfectionists Message-ID: Bill, > In the same club there was a guy who only made one model (a > 72nd Zero) for the two years I was there. Speedy Gonzales in my opinion. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:28:28 EST From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: New Schiffer Book Message-ID: <716b7ba.36db148c@aol.com> Hi Gang The new Schiffer book : French Aeroplanes Before the Great War ; By Leo Opdydcke - is out. Check todays New Stuff listing on my page for the cover pic. I'll have em is stock in a few days Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 18:00:33 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Perfectionists Message-ID: <36DB1C11.5DAD@worldnet.att.net> Oh yes I've seen it. The pilot has photoetched eyebrows. Cyg. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 18:44:25 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Web page udate, again Message-ID: <36DB2658.F54DC426@ptdprolog.net> Well, I hope so. A former exchange student will be coming back to visit in April and I wanted something to show her. I like the weird squiggly green camo over CDL. Also, the white swan on orange disc should look cool. Mike Muth KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/28/99 8:57:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, > bucky@ptdprolog.net writes: > > << NU: Spowith Strutter interned in Holland > >> > > Sharp! > RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 00:01:20 GMT From: lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Perfectionists Message-ID: <36db29d0.783905@legend.firstsaga.com> On Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:36:11 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >In the same club there was a guy who only made one model (a 72nd Zero) for >the two years I was there. He said there was no point in making a lot of bad >models when he could make one good one. It had a scratchbuilt Sakae engine >with (he claimed) 600 individual parts, all the cylinders were stacks of >discs of different diameters. This off-topic model was featured in an issue of FSM...it is an amazing piece of work. Len nb: Paint done on the Toko's (D.XII and D.III)(Finally) On to the lozenge! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:36:25 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Schiffer Book Message-ID: <19990301.184117.-826633.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:45:04 -0500 (EST) BStett3770@aol.com writes: >French Aeroplanes Before the Great War ; By Leo Opdydcke - is out. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:39:39 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Hanriot HD.3 Message-ID: <19990301.184117.-826633.2.mbittner@juno.com> I have the FMP French book (obviously :-)) but am in need of more references for the Hanriot HD.3. Anybody know of any? That's all I have - the FMP book. TIA! Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 20:23:07 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 425/17 red Message-ID: <36DB4B8B.2935@bellsouth.net> Shane Weier wrote: > So I got the quote wrong. Sue me ! ;-) I'm not trying to start a fight or anything, it just seams to me that if I loaded up the old Paasche with some type A+ and sprayed a few nice coats on a DML Dr-I, NO ONE would ever look at it and say, "look at that red triplane". But I could be wrong. I'll have to try that some day. Do you think 3 parts A+ to one or two parts clear coat would stick to the model? E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 20:27:06 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Blue Max Wave / Ju DI Question Message-ID: <36DB4C7A.2478@bellsouth.net> mkendix wrote: > > Paul: > > This is related to another technique question that I have. How do people > deal with the decals that go across "cracks and spaces"; for example, > when you build the model with the aileron down and a space opens between it > and the rest of the wing? Personally, I find it easier to apply the decal in one piece and the cut the seam after the solvaset has dried. Then a bit more solvaset in the crack to finish it off. hth, ymmv. E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:39:27 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: 425/17 red Message-ID: Ernest, > > So I got the quote wrong. Sue me ! ;-) > > I'm not trying to start a fight or anything, I was joking, so obviously I never took real offense. > it just seams to me that if > I loaded up the old Paasche with some type A+ and sprayed a few nice > coats on a DML Dr-I, NO ONE would ever look at it and say, > "look at that red triplane". Frankly, if I looked at any of the hundred plus baggies of my own removed by the Red Cross, I'd hardly call it "red" in the way most would understand it either. > But I could be wrong. I'll have to try that some day. > Do you think 3 parts A+ to one or two parts clear coat would stick to > the model? Mix it with Future. It'll do *anything* :-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 20:45:28 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 425/17 red Message-ID: <36DB50C8.5248@bellsouth.net> Shane Weier wrote: > I was joking, so obviously I never took real offense. I know. > Frankly, if I looked at any of the hundred plus baggies of my own removed by > the Red Cross, I'd hardly call it "red" in the way most would understand it > either. You must be one pale dude. :) E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 19:15:18 -0800 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Dumb Question about Wet Sanding... Message-ID: <36DB57C6.BA9@mars.ark.com> There are no stupid questions - just stupid answers. Thedenim-backed 1800-grit sandpaper Mike F. referred to is used for polishing scratches out of jet fighter canopies. It is only poetic justice that it should end up smoothing the finish of WWI bipes. If you live near an Air Force base, try snivelling and grovelling to get the end scraps of a roll (that's what I did and, ergo, Mike got some - he snitched mine!). It's great stuff and lasts forever. Dave Fletcher dcf@mars.ark.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 19:15:41 -0800 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hanriot Message-ID: <36DB57DD.5C5@mars.ark.com> Bob was not quite correct in his pronunciation of Hanriot. The French 'H' is almost silent, so the sound (to an English ear) is 'An ree oh. And let's drop all reference to guitars - if people can still pluck guitar strings, then they haven't enough Xacto knife cuts in their fingertips and they should get back to modelling! Dave Fletcher dcf@mars.ark.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 19:15:56 -0800 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Off-topic -sorry - Fi-156 Message-ID: <36DB57EC.379A@mars.ark.com> Richard Caudron is correct that the French built the Storch as the M.S.500 Criquet; however, the did not have rotary engines. A number were fitted with radials (including the American Jacobs) but many had the inverted V German Argus or French Renault. The Vietnamese ones being the latter. These aircraft, along with Beech C-45s and Dassault Flamant light transports, were provided to the VNAF in 1951 and carried the markings described (these were not captured aircraft, Richard). Most aircraft in that theatre of operations retained French roundels. The M.S.500 equipped the Vietnamese Air Training Centre in 1951 and the 1st Air Observation Squadron at Da Nang (then known as Tourane) and at Nha Trang in 1952. The VNAF was not officially formed until 1 July, 1955 and adopted the American-style stars and bars after the French withdrawal and the arrival of American 'advisers' in 1956. Dave Fletcher dcf@mars.ark.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:22:29 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Hanriot Message-ID: <199903020322.TAA28609@spare.rapidnet.net> > And let's drop all reference to guitars - if people can still pluck > guitar strings, then they haven't enough Xacto knife cuts in their > fingertips and they should get back to modelling! Just before the big gig a few years back I removed the tip from my middle finger left hand with an Xacto. . and superglued it back so I could play that night. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 22:38:36 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Dumb Question about Wet Sanding... Message-ID: <36DB5D3C.369E@worldnet.att.net> David & Carol Fletcher wrote: > > There are no stupid questions - just stupid answers. Thedenim-backed > 1800-grit sandpaper Mike F. referred to is used for polishing scratches > out of jet fighter canopies. It is only poetic justice that it should > end up smoothing the finish of WWI bipes. If you live near an Air Force > base, try snivelling and grovelling to get the end scraps of a roll > (that's what I did and, ergo, Mike got some - he snitched mine!). It's > great stuff and lasts forever. > > Dave Fletcher > dcf@mars.ark.com I used to be able to get 1800 grit at an automotive store in the area. Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 21:59:40 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hanriot Message-ID: <36DB622C.715D@bellsouth.net> Bob Pearson wrote: > > > And let's drop all reference to guitars - if people can still pluck > > guitar strings, then they haven't enough Xacto knife cuts in their > > fingertips and they should get back to modelling! > > Just before the big gig a few years back I removed the tip from my middle > finger left hand with an Xacto. . and superglued it back so I could play > that night. To which I must add, if you can cut into your fingertip with an x-acto, the you haven't played enough guitar. And to bring this back on topic, I still have a scar on my fingertip from before the bass when I poured pints of the red stuff all over a big Revell Camel. :p E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:11:28 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Hanriot Message-ID: Ernest, >> And to bring this back on topic, I still have a scar on my fingertip > from before the bass when I poured pints of the red stuff all > over a big Revell Camel. :p As a doctor, I'm sure you could find a more efficient place :-) Shane (newspaper headlines "Red Barons Last Victim !!! - Doctor stabbed in throat by model plane !!! - Suicide or failed new technique ? Sandy Adam Reports ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:55:19 -0800 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: Progress report.. Message-ID: <003901be6461$bfa01fa0$b7679ad1@bill> The fin and tailplane are off the Sopwith Triplane again, after Robert K clued me up on what the back end was really like, I need to redo the tailskid attachments, and the arrangements for the rearmost tailplane rigging. Also gives me an excuse to fix the 'Sopwith' decal on one side of the fin, the 'the' folded under and no amount of persuasion would unfold it again. It's going to have to be either a plain CDL or PC10 fin. The DH2 is back in it's box, after realising the need to redo the tail booms and all the nacelle interior, I need an enthusiasm transplant on that one. Next off is likely to be either the Avro triplane or the Sopwith Baby I picked up for 10 bucks at the San Jose IPMS show at the weekend. Anyone got any ideas on displaying floatplanes? They look so dumb just sitting there on a hard surface. Bill Neill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 23:32:36 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Progress report.. Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-01 23:18:10 EST, you write: << Anyone got any ideas on displaying floatplanes? They look so dumb just sitting there on a hard surface. >> You should go look at Ken Goldman's "Walrus and the Carpenter" site, to see what he did with an old Hawk/Testors Supermarine S6B - it's sitting in the water, having just been launched, with Boothman in that fmous pose sitting on the headrest behind the cockpit with his feet in the seat. You need to know how to make water for it to "float" in to do something like that. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 23:58:25 -0500 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Progress report.. Message-ID: <9903012358.AA25859@ft.sumter> Tom innocently and inspiringly wrote: > You need to know > how to make water for it to "float" in to do something like that. Sharon, too often afflicted with Ernest's puns and sick sense of humor so very perilously close to her own, chortles with glee while she gets out her D&D dice, and attempts a saving throw.... Whew! Made it! I'm saved from making any bad jokes about the manufacture of water! :-) BUT, I am very interested in finding out how to create realistic looking lake or river segments in dioramas.... So I'd like to hear some hints too! :-) Okay Ernest, it's your turn. Wanna borrow my dice?? :-) Sharon "It's the medication, REALLY!" Henderson, who survived a spinal injection today (NOT an extrusion, thankewverymuch!) and really should go to bed now.... G'night from Fairfax!! Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 09:14:14 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Tom's Nie 24/24bis/27 conversion mini-review Message-ID: <36DC1C66.7D4@ricochet.net> Just picked this up over the weekend at the San Jose IPMS show. First of all, great profiles of the markings choices by our own lovely "Legs" Pearson. On to the kit - although I havn't enlarged the FMP drawings for comparison, it looks good to me. Two fuselage halves, new rudder and tailplane/elevators with resin almost as googd as Paschendale (sp.?). A bit of molding schmutz on my example, but nothing a bit a dextrous sanding won't fix. Kit also includes Tom's Nieuport brass set. I have an extra, so if anyone needs one, flag me off list. The markings choices are interesting, consisting of Sgt. William Wellman's 24, Celia V of N./SPA 87 'Les Chats Noir', Lt. Paul Tarascon's 24bis "Zicomap 5" of N.62, and Lt. William MacLanachan's 27 of No. 40 Sqn RFC. Kit does not include Cone de Penetration (?) required for Tarascon's 24bis. I'll probably build the N.87 machine as the wife likes the one with the cat on it, and she's been threatening to buy me a display case lately. Of course I could just build the Testor's 17 as an N.87 machine... Easily worth $15 even without the Cone. Incidentally, Tom Harrison gets a nomination for the list Good Joe award, as he gave me WWI postcards and the issue of SAMI with the Brisfit, Bullet and Walfisch articles in it along with my purchases. He gave me great deals on the J.M. Bruce (Doubleday War Planes of the First World War) British Fighters books (I'm now keen on finding the volumes on German fighters and bombers of both sides) and a cool little book on WWI armor. FWIW, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 00:24:23 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: lil brass thingies wasRe: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? Message-ID: <18a4b9cc.36db7607@aol.com> In a message dated 2/28/99 8:56:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, ethomas6@bellsouth.net writes: << KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > on-topic question- has anybody ever figured out some useful modeling service > for those little brass pulley-shaped doo-dads that anchor the strings to the > tail piece? Thanks for stearing my brain in that direction. Possibly pulleys for control cables in a big Revell or Hobbycraft kits. Probably too big for anything in 48 or Bittner. E. >> They might be able to be ground down in thickness for 1/32 pulleys, but there HAS to be some as is use. Quick- think of something- there taking over the house! RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 23:36:21 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: water Message-ID: <36DB78D5.90@bellsouth.net> Bill Neill wrote: Anyone got > any ideas on displaying floatplanes? They look so dumb just sitting there on > a hard surface. Well... You could put it in water, on a beaching dolley, in the air, or inverted in a crumpled heap. I haven't gotten around to trying water yet, but one of the simplest way's of doing it if yuo just want it to be sitting in water, but not necessarily in a setting of a proper diorama, is to take a piece of that textured glass/plexi(the kind they make shower doors with) and either cut the appropriate sized holes to sit the floats in, if you're so equiped. or cut off the bottoms of the floats at the waterline so it will just sit flat on the glass. Then paint the textured side with varying shades of blue and/or green so it's halfway convincing when viewed from the smooth side. Frame the glass(textured side down) with picture frame molding or whatever you prefer, sit the model on or in the glass and voila'; a lovely display for a seaplane. And if you cut the floats and not the glass, you can use it over and over again with different models at the local contest every year. Though the past winners will look a bit strange sinking into the shelf. If you want a more realistic diorama setting, paint the smooth side and use the textured side up. You'll have to cut the glass for that one though. That's just one very simple way of doing it. There's others. Look through some back issues of FSM. E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 23:39:46 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: lil brass thingies wasRe: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? Message-ID: <36DB79A2.6275@bellsouth.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: but there > HAS to be some as is use. Quick- think of something- there taking over the > house! paint agitators. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 02:08:06 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Tom's Nie 24/24bis/27 conversion mini-review Message-ID: For me, it also has to be William Wellman's Nie. 24 from this kit - two reasons: black cats (I'm owned by three of them, I'm the only person who can tell them apart without knowing the color code of their collars), and William Wellman went on to make the first great flying movie, "Wings," among a bunch of other great movies as one of the greats of early Hollywierd. Tom Cleaver BTW: Tom Harrison is thinking of joining the list, as a way of figuring out what his new things should be. Watch for his full resin kit Roland D.VI come May. I can say right now that his full resin kit Pfalz D.VIII is excellent, since I am right in the middle of finally doing it. (Thanks, Legs, for the markings) Since Tom is in the process of getting out of ship kits and back into WW1 full time, he has some pretty interesting possibilities for the future. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 02:11:15 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Progress report.. Message-ID: <1279b418.36db8f13@aol.com> In a message dated 99-03-02 00:00:02 EST, you write: << BUT, I am very interested in finding out how to create realistic looking lake or river segments in dioramas.... So I'd like to hear some hints too! :-) >> Fortunately, Sharon resisted any plays on "making water," and so - as a reward for her good taste and self-discipline - I will refer her to Internet Modeler (URL below) for this month, and specifically to Rusty White's how-to article, "Making Realistic Water." Tom Cleaver Editor Internet Modeler http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:16:14 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Derek Brown WAS: Perfectionists Message-ID: <003d01be6495$b7f5da40$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> >scratchbuilt Sakae engine >>with (he claimed) 600 individual parts, all the cylinders were stacks of >>discs of different diameters. > >This off-topic model was featured in an issue of FSM...it is an >amazing piece of work. > >Len Hi list All this thread I was thinking in exactly the same article. But that guy, whose name is Derek Brown, actually finished the zero. He also has a Dina reconoissance plane, an article about the use of the hole-puncher device to do the engine cylinders (and has a nice japanese biplane in that one) and a helicopter that was cover story last year. And in the Scale Auto Enthusiast magazine, Mr. Brown did a wonderful red delivery truck. As you can see, I'm following this guy closely to know how he does the things so well. But in the list are modellers whose skills are equal, if not higher than Derek Brown, and whose knowledge should be featured in an article, because that's the way all of us can learn to do better things. But, I know, I know, a WW1 modeller is not the first interest of a magazine that has to satisfy the great audience of modellers that do a 109 thingie after another and a Corsair after another. I should be glad that we have IM and from time to time an article from a list member. D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:28:57 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: water Message-ID: <006401be6497$7c778700$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> -----Mensaje original----- De: Ernest Thomas >Anyone got >> any ideas on displaying floatplanes? They look so dumb just sitting there on >> a hard surface. > >Well... >You could put it in water, on a beaching dolley, in the air, or inverted >in a crumpled heap. >I haven't gotten around to trying water yet, but one of the simplest >way's of doing it if yuo just want it to be sitting in water, > > >That's just one very simple way of doing it. There's others. Look >through some back issues of FSM. >E. > Or the current Internet Modeller. D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 21:31:37 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: WALDRON PUNCH Message-ID: <36DC58B9.3CF9@webtime.com.au> Gidday all Can you help and old digger and please say where does one procure the above oft mentioned device and what should you reckon on paying ? david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 06:14:53 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WALDRON PUNCH Message-ID: <36DBC82D.A57@worldnet.att.net> David R.L. Laws wrote: > > Gidday all > > Can you help and old digger and please say where does one procure the > above oft mentioned device and what should you reckon on paying ? > > david I know that Roll Models carrys most if not all of the Waldron line. I am sure Sopwith Hobbies could help you as well. I'll bet Barry at Rosemont could get them too. The bad news: They are expensive. $35(US) for the standard set of punches. $75(US) for the sub-miniature set. I have always wanted some of these, but the prices have kept me away. I have never seen these items discounted. If there was enough interest in the group maybe we could go direct and cut a deal? Just a Thought (finally) Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 06:27:48 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Bye Message-ID: <36DBCB34.393D@worldnet.att.net> I am desubscribing from the list for a few days. Traveling. John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:45:22 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: WALDRON PUNCH Message-ID: <006201be64a2$2865eac0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> -----Mensaje original---- Asunto: Re: WALDRON PUNCH >The bad news: > >They are expensive. $35(US) for the standard set of punches. $75(US) for >the sub-miniature set. I have always wanted some of these, but the >prices have kept me away. I have never seen these items discounted. If >there was enough interest in the group maybe we could go direct and cut >a deal? > >Just a Thought (finally) >Cyg. > Book me in. D. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1470 **********************