WWI Digest 1468 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? Yes- Very OT by "David Vosburgh" 2) RE: French colors by Shane Weier 3) Ivan by Matthew E Bittner 4) Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? by Matthew E Bittner 5) Re: French colors by KarrArt@aol.com 6) RE: French colors by Shane Weier 7) Re: Web page udate, again by "Peter Crow" 8) Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? Yes- Very OT by Suvoroff@aol.com 9) Re: Guitar playing / Copper State lozenge by Chris Cato 10) Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? Yes- Very OT by Bob Pearson 11) Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? by Ernest Thomas 12) Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? by Zulis@aol.com 13) Dumb question about wetsanding... by Suvoroff@aol.com 14) Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? by Bob Pearson 15) Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? by Ernest Thomas 16) RE: Dumb question about wetsanding... by Shane Weier 17) Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? Yes- Very OT by KarrArt@aol.com 18) Re: Paint on the Passchendaele wing by KarrArt@aol.com 19) Re: Web page udate, again by KarrArt@aol.com 20) Re: Web page udate, again by KarrArt@aol.com 21) Re: Upcoming Aeroclub kits by KarrArt@aol.com 22) Re: "Legs" and Sharon for the ages! by KarrArt@aol.com 23) light war wasRe: French colors by KarrArt@aol.com 24) Re: Windsock by KarrArt@aol.com 25) Re: Windsock observations by KarrArt@aol.com 26) Re: "Legs" and Sharon for the ages! by KarrArt@aol.com 27) Re: Web page udate, again by KarrArt@aol.com 28) Re: Triplane tailskid by "Bill Neill" 29) Re: Web page udate, again by KarrArt@aol.com 30) Re: Dumb question about wetsanding... by Ernest Thomas 31) RE: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? Yes- Very OT by Shane Weier 32) RE: Windsock observations by Shane Weier 33) Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 34) Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? by mkendix 35) 425/17 red by Ernest Thomas 36) Re: French colors by John & Allison Cyganowski 37) Re: Triplane tailskid by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 38) Re: Red Color; was Guitar playing WW-1... by REwing@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 22:15:18 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? Yes- Very OT Message-ID: <000a01be6391$c024d680$0dd690d0@Pvosburg> The comment about the fabric reminds me of Manfred Rieder, the dealer principal of a Porsche dealership I used to work at about ten years ago. He was a former Austrian airforce jet jock, and when I told him a friend of mine had just bought a piece of 425/17 fabric from Pat Carisella he gave me this weary look and said "Do you know that if they collected all the pieces of original fabric from that airplane, they'd have enough to cover a Zeppelin?" DV -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, February 28, 1999 11:40 PM Subject: RE: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? Yes- Very OT >Hi all, > >> And that's why I'm going to be selling all of my 1:48 and >> above stuff as soon as I can get a list together- >> > >I *knew* it. See ! Selling models in favour of geeeeetaws. > >Time to get out the crucifix, wolfsbane, garlic cloves, assorted religious >symbols (Aurora boxtop, Scale Models Jul 1973, piece of 425/17 fabric - >everyone has this) and cower in a closet with my kits > >Shane >STILL ;-) > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:22:33 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: French colors Message-ID: Matt, > Black - the sum of all colors ;-) ...the *absence* of all colours.. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 21:26:10 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Ivan Message-ID: <19990228.212611.-755427.5.mbittner@juno.com> Is Ivan of Silverbird still around? If so, could you contact me off list, please? Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 21:13:34 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? Message-ID: <19990228.212611.-755427.4.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 20:11:16 -0500 (EST) Modelhound@aol.com writes: >So, who amongst us besides Bob "Legs" Pearson, Robert Karr, and myself >are >guitar players? Sometimes. I have an acoustic six-string in my closet, but I haven't plinked it in awhile. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 22:24:03 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: French colors Message-ID: <719dc6fb.36da0853@aol.com> In a message dated 2/28/99 7:22:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Matt, > Black - the sum of all colors ;-) ..the *absence* of all colours.. Shane >> Depends on whether we're talkin' additive or subtractive color mixing! RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:40:17 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: French colors Message-ID: Robert, > > > Black - the sum of all colors ;-) > > ..the *absence* of all colours.. > > Depends on whether we're talkin' additive or subtractive > color mixing! He's talking paint, I'm talking light. Old photographers prejudice. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 19:59:01 PST From: "Peter Crow" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Web page udate, again Message-ID: <19990301035901.20054.qmail@hotmail.com> Robert K. wrote... > > Dennis Ugulano >> > > And the ultimate- John Cyg can do resin figure of your own sweet self- and >for $46 extra, you'll autograph the box! >RK Dennis... if the figure is going to be adorned with decorations, please give a brief description of each with the kit..;-) P.Crow > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:27:38 EST From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? Yes- Very OT Message-ID: <21a0cb09.36da173a@aol.com> " I must not be a true aviation buff, then. I don't have my piece of fabric from 425/17." I'll send you one, gratis. How big a piece do you want? Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:34:38 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Cato To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Guitar playing / Copper State lozenge Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 Modelhound@aol.com wrote: > So, who amongst us besides Bob "Legs" Pearson, Robert Karr, and myself > are guitar players? > > That would be me. Much time, effort and money spent while locked away in a small room studying classical and some jazz. Broken many .011 and .013 strings on my steel string and like Robert K I'm still wondering how I can use the ball ends on the strings. Moving on to topic my Eduard Sopwith Tripe is nearing completion - many thanks to Steve Perry, Sandy et al who had tips on the rigging. I measured and drilled and through the experience of the list or dumb luck the wires are going through perfectly! I'm using .007 music wire from Small Parts and am very pleased with it. I'm also working on an Albatros D.Va as von Schleich's all black aircraft using Americal lozenge - this stuff works well. I recently ordered some of the Copper State lozenge and am looking forward to trying that out. The printing is by microscale and the registration is perfect. The colors are fairly different from the Americal but they do not seem to stray far from what Dan San Abbot mentions as the colors on his 5 color-lozenge samples in the recent WWI Aero. One of the nice features about the Copper State stuff is that the 'bolts' are printed diagonaly on the sheet with the edges against each other leaving the possibilty of coating a wing diagonaly, spanwise, or chordwise with a single decal piece instead of many ala Americal, Superscale, Aeromaster, etc. Does any one else have these sheets? I'd love someone else's opinion of the colors... Chris Cato tcato@connix.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 20:25:16 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? Yes- Very OT Message-ID: <199903010425.UAA21264@spare.rapidnet.net> > " I must not be a true aviation buff, then. I don't have my piece > of fabric from 425/17." > > I'll send you one, gratis. How big a piece do you want? > > Yours, > James D. Gray Don't forget the buyer gets to specify colour :-) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 22:40:06 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? Message-ID: <36DA1A26.3187@bellsouth.net> Modelhound@aol.com wrote: > > So, who amongst us besides Bob "Legs" Pearson, Robert Karr, and myself are > guitar players? Do bass players count? E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:39:17 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? Message-ID: <5baa7e81.36da19f5@aol.com> In a message dated 2/28/1999 10:24:28PM, you write: << >So, who amongst us besides Bob "Legs" Pearson, Robert Karr, and myself >are >guitar players? Sometimes. I have an acoustic six-string in my closet, but I haven't plinked it in awhile. >> Strictly a pick-and-strum guitar guy here, but my main thing is the singing and the guitar is along for support. I have an acoustic 6-string "Seagull" - a nice little guitar made here in Canada. I am behind on list stuff because I was busy this weekend as our choir did a "variety show" and the very same guitar has been hard at work... Dave Z note please: when I play, I wear long pants ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:52:12 EST From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Dumb question about wetsanding... Message-ID: <29eac1bd.36da1cfc@aol.com> I apologize for asking such a stupid question, but I have heard about wet sanding for years, and I have to ask a couple of questions; 1) Why? How is this superior to drysanding? 2) What do you mean, wet sand? Just a little water to make the sandpaper damp, or sand the item under the running water in the sink, or what? Excuse my ignorance. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 20:41:35 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? Message-ID: <199903010441.UAA21392@spare.rapidnet.net> ---------- > From: Ernest Thomas > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? > Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:42:53 -0500 (EST) > > Modelhound@aol.com wrote: > > > > So, who amongst us besides Bob "Legs" Pearson, Robert Karr, and myself are > > guitar players? > > Do bass players count? > E. Only if they have no natural ability Bob (sorry, I've been away from the computer for the past 24 hours. ...) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 22:53:41 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? Message-ID: <36DA1D55.159A@bellsouth.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > on-topic question- has anybody ever figured out some useful modeling service > for those little brass pulley-shaped doo-dads that anchor the strings to the > tail piece? Thanks for stearing my brain in that direction. Possibly pulleys for control cables in a big Revell or Hobbycraft kits. Probably too big for anything in 48 or Bittner. E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:00:32 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Dumb question about wetsanding... Message-ID: James, > I apologize for asking such a stupid question, but I have > heard about wet > sanding for years, and I have to ask a couple of questions; > > 1) Why? How is this superior to drysanding? > The water lubricates the paper and keeps the grit free of the debris. It cuts faster and smoother without the crud stuck in the grit. > 2) What do you mean, wet sand? Just a little water to make > the sandpaper damp, or sand the item under the running water in the sink, or what? > A bit of both. Surface needs to be *wet* not just damp, but how wet it has to be is a function of the material being sanded, grit of the paper, rate of abrasion etc. You need enough water to carry away the crud. Incidentally, i usually add some handsoap - just rub the paper on a bar before i start to rub - which improves matters still further YMMV Shane (briefly worked in a spray paint shop once - painting trucks, M-113's and !! Leopard tanks !!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:59:30 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? Yes- Very OT Message-ID: <9e112af.36da1eb2@aol.com> In a message dated 2/28/99 6:32:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, sharon@portcullis.maxson.com writes: << What was it Henry the Eighth once said? "There are enough pieces of the True Cross in England alone to have crucified a hundred Christs!" Well -- how many full-size Fokker Tripes would be covered by the amount of gen-u-wine 425/17 fabric out there?? :-) Grinning too, and definitely meaning a joke here, Sharon >> The S D Museum has a piece of fabric supposed to be from 425/17. Kinda the color of a knee after a bad roller skating accident. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:59:36 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Paint on the Passchendaele wing Message-ID: In a message dated 2/28/99 12:31:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, Janah@worldnet.att.net writes: << Casting Parts and Fixing Household Plumbing Simultaneously, Cyg. ;-( >> Nothin' much to add except..I Hate fixing plumbing. I could be doing something constructive like building an Albatros Di or D II. Fixing plumbing only has one guarantee- you'll bust your knuckles whether the job was sucessfull or not. Robert K. in deep commisseration ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:59:38 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Web page udate, again Message-ID: Finally got a chance to check out the new stuff- the insane Pharoahonic Camel is particularly appealing! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:59:27 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Web page udate, again Message-ID: <6624b42e.36da1eaf@aol.com> In a message dated 2/28/99 8:00:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, eatcrow@hotmail.com writes: << Dennis... if the figure is going to be adorned with decorations, please give a brief description of each with the kit..;-) P.Crow >> Instead of medals, perhaps a sheet of tiny list-mail printouts of praise- the modeler could stick 'em all over the figure! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:59:29 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Upcoming Aeroclub kits Message-ID: <23a2e0f1.36da1eb1@aol.com> In a message dated 2/28/99 6:35:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, bucky@ptdprolog.net writes: << > > DeHavilland D.H.5 > WOW!! First the Hanriot finally comes out and soon a DH-5!! Must be > pretty damn close to heaven right about now. Mike Muth >> I hop with delight- oddly staggered planes have always grabbed my eye. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:59:31 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "Legs" and Sharon for the ages! Message-ID: In a message dated 2/28/99 5:44:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, sharon@sword.net writes: << Somewhere down the line, someone will reverently take a model off the shelf where it is lovingly kept, and say: "Robert Karr built this for me. I cherish it!!" and the person to whom she or he is showing it, will be properly reverential.... I salute all of you! And cherish your friendships dearly! Sharon >> I appreciate the thought. I'd like to think one or two bits of my output will survive for a while. Maybe somebody will find me- all pickled and preserved like the Danish bog people- I'll be clutching the remains of my last project, still firmly KrazyGlued to my stiff little desicated fingers (although I guess if I'm a bog guy, they wouldn't be that desicated.) Yikes, I ran off on a morbid little track there.......Must be gettin' time for X-Files! ( all my small way of saying "I'm blushing") Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:59:25 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: light war wasRe: French colors Message-ID: <12751d71.36da1ead@aol.com> In a message dated 2/28/99 7:40:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << > > Depends on whether we're talkin' additive or subtractive > color mixing! He's talking paint, I'm talking light. Old photographers prejudice. Shane >> Give that man a diomond studded platinum noodle! Yep- pigment vs light. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:59:33 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Windsock Message-ID: <3ff930f0.36da1eb5@aol.com> In a message dated 2/28/99 2:31:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, Janah@worldnet.att.net writes: << I was thinking that any shortfall in coverage has been more than made up for by the new kit coverage - at least this month. ;-) Yours in Crass Commercialism, John Cyg. >> I STILL haven't managed to get my hands on the new Windsock.... RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:59:35 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Windsock observations Message-ID: In a message dated 2/28/99 2:11:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Considering that Colin Owers has provided articles of that sort before - and the never ending Foreign Legion segment persists - I don't imagine he has any objection IF THE MATERIAL WAS AVAILABLE ! Wish I had that particular talent Shane >> I'd love to see more of Colin Owers stuff. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:59:40 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: "Legs" and Sharon for the ages! Message-ID: <4d010a84.36da1ebc@aol.com> In a message dated 2/26/99 12:39:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << >No razor cuts, no frustration, No fun... >> The battle cry of the list! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:59:37 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Web page udate, again Message-ID: <6fb610f2.36da1eb9@aol.com> In a message dated 2/28/99 8:57:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, bucky@ptdprolog.net writes: << NU: Spowith Strutter interned in Holland >> Sharp! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 20:55:08 -0800 From: "Bill Neill" To: Subject: Re: Triplane tailskid Message-ID: <008401be639f$b3b6bcc0$4ee4afce@bill> The Sopwith triplane progresses in my normal 1 step forward 0.999999 steps back. I was about to put the Eduard tailskid on, when I made a bad mistake, that's right, I checked out what it was supposed to look like really....... >From what I can figure, the sternpost projects below the fuselage by about a foot, and the rear tailplane bracing wires attach to this, not direct to the fuselage. Then, sepatate from this, the tailskid attaches to a downward extension of the rudder post. The front end of the tailskid goes into the fuselage, and attaches to a bungee inside. Now the puzzler is that there are two control wires from the tailskid into the rear fuselage that look like a steerable skid. But how can it move? Anyone shed light on this? Thanks Bill Neill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:59:39 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Web page udate, again Message-ID: <48743867.36da1ebb@aol.com> In a message dated 2/27/99 9:02:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, Uggies@compuserve.com writes: << Also, tech support made some organizational changes to make it easier to look at. >> Tell your "tech support" that my "tech support" says "good job" Robert K. who's married to in-house tech support, cause he doesn't know html from from that odd pile he found in the yard today. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:04:48 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Dumb question about wetsanding... Message-ID: <36DA1FF0.6098@bellsouth.net> Suvoroff@aol.com wrote: > > I apologize for asking such a stupid question, but I have heard about wet > sanding for years, and I have to ask a couple of questions; > > 1) Why? How is this superior to drysanding? > James, The water acts as a lubricant which allows the grit to cut better. And the water also helps keep the sand paper from clogging up. > 2) What do you mean, wet sand? Just a little water to make the sandpaper > damp, or sand the item under the running water in the sink, or what? > Keep a bowl of tap water on the bench next to you and just dip the paper in the water as needed to keep it wet. Don't forget to use paper(or film) made for wet or dry sanding. It's no big trick and I think you'll like the results. > Excuse my ignorance. Only the desire to remain ignorant is inexcusable. E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:08:45 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? Yes- Very OT Message-ID: Robert > The S D Museum has a piece of fabric supposed to be from > 425/17. Kinda the color of a knee after a bad roller skating accident. AWM has several bits of 425/17 with impeccable credentials - colour of darkish dried blood. Was reading a description of this colour by one of the German researchers of 20+ years ago. He quoted interviews with 4 surviving Jasta 11 members who said that Jasta 11 used a red the colour of dried blood. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:11:00 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Windsock observations Message-ID: Robert, > << Considering that Colin Owers has provided > articles of that sort before - and the never ending Foreign > Legion segment persists - I don't imagine he has any objection > IF THE MATERIAL WAS AVAILABLE ! > > I'd love to see more of Colin Owers stuff. I'll ask him Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 21:20:30 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? Message-ID: <199903010520.VAA17052@compass.OregonVOS.net> >Do bass players count? The rumor is that bass players -do- count on occassion - but only to three as they become easily confused with larger numbers. :-) Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:14:29 -0500 (EST) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Guitar playing WW-1 modelers? Message-ID: Guilty. I'm left-handed; the only simlarity between me and Jimi. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 Modelhound@aol.com wrote: > So, who amongst us besides Bob "Legs" Pearson, Robert Karr, and myself are > guitar players? > > Mike Franklin > Bellingham, WA > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:23:21 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: 425/17 red Message-ID: <36DA2449.406C@bellsouth.net> Shane Weier wrote: > AWM has several bits of 425/17 with impeccable credentials - colour of > darkish dried blood. > > Was reading a description of this colour by one of the German researchers of > 20+ years ago. He quoted interviews with 4 surviving Jasta 11 members who > said that Jasta 11 used a red the colour of dried blood. Well...how dry? Most of the dried blood I've ever seen was almost black, and I've seen quite a bit. Even blood that's been smeared on a white surface will dry to a very dark brown. Maybe they meant the color of fresh blood, which is also VERY dark. E. who as a teenager used to make Super8 slasher movies in the parents back yard. I spent a lot of time studying blood. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 00:12:56 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: French colors Message-ID: <36DA21D7.2D85@worldnet.att.net> Shane Weier wrote: > > Matt, > > > Black - the sum of all colors ;-) > > ..the *absence* of all colours.. > > Shane Okay. More correctly black is the sum of all pigments, but I was going to let him have it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 22:24:49 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Triplane tailskid Message-ID: <199903010624.WAA10190@compass.OregonVOS.net> Bill Neill writes: > >The Sopwith triplane progresses in my normal 1 step forward 0.999999 steps >back. >I was about to put the Eduard tailskid on, when I made a bad mistake, that's >right, I checked out what it was supposed to look like really....... >>From what I can figure, the sternpost projects below the fuselage by about a >foot, and the rear tailplane bracing wires attach to this, not direct to the >fuselage. Then, sepatate from this, the tailskid attaches to a downward >extension of the rudder post. The front end of the tailskid goes into the >fuselage, and attaches to a bungee inside. Now the puzzler is that there are >two control wires from the tailskid into the rear fuselage that >look like a steerable skid. But how can it move? >Anyone shed light on this? Who'd have thunk it! That is -exactly- what it is labeled on my set of photos - "tailskid steering system"! (OK, my photos are of a one-and-one-half strutter but I can't believe it differed much from the Sopwith triplane.) Suspending disbelief for a moment, the control wires seem to turn the control horn which turns the tailskid support bracket which twists the tailskid itself, bending it to deflect to the left or right. The amount of deflection couldn't have been large - limited as it would be to the amount of "bend" which could be induced in the relatively thick tailskid - and the amount of directional control obtainable through these means couldn't have been much. Maybe it was better than nothing but it hardly seems worth the extra expense, complications, and weight. Indeed, had Rimmell not actually labeled it as a "steering system", I wouldn't have believed it. Ya' learn something every day, I guess. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:25:47 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Red Color; was Guitar playing WW-1... Message-ID: Shane wrote: << AWM has several bits of 425/17 with impeccable credentials - colour of darkish dried blood. Was reading a description of this colour by one of the German researchers of 20+ years ago. He quoted interviews with 4 surviving Jasta 11 members who said that Jasta 11 used a red the colour of dried blood.>> What do the rest of you use for the proper red color on German aircraft? I've used Humbrol's # 60 with some success. Is there anything else in acrylic or other brands that are closer to the correct shade? TIA -Rick- ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1468 **********************