WWI Digest 1454 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Pegasus Reference Numbers by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 2) Re: Ansaldo SVA 5 by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 3) Off-Topic "Find" by "Steven M. Perry" 4) RE: Bob (Legs) Pearson Out Does Himself by Bob Pearson 5) Re: Ansaldo SVA 5 by Ernest Thomas 6) Re: Observation Balloons by John & Allison Cyganowski 7) Re: ca3 scans by "David Vosburgh" 8) Re: SAM index by "David Vosburgh" 9) Re: Bob (Legs) Pearson Out Does Himself by "richard eaton" 10) Re: Bob (Legs) Pearson Out Does Himself by Bob Pearson 11) Re: SAM index by "Steven M. Perry" 12) Re: SPAD pics by "The Shannons" 13) News on Pegasus by Alberto Rada 14) Re: Pegasus Reference Numbers by "K. Hagerup" 15) Re: Greven's SSW D.III by "K. Hagerup" 16) VCR Alert by Bob Pearson 17) Re: Greven's SSW D.III by Bob Pearson 18) Strutter question by Matthew E Bittner 19) Re: SPAD pics by Ernest Thomas 20) Re: Strutter question by Bob Pearson 21) Floquil Flo-Stain by mkendix 22) Re: Strutter question by Matthew E Bittner 23) Re: Strutter question by Bob Pearson 24) Re: Strutter question by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 25) Re: Floquil Flo-Stain by "Lee J Mensinger" 26) Re: SPAD pics by KarrArt@aol.com 27) Re: Modelismo 2000 by KarrArt@aol.com 28) Re: Modelismo 2000 by KarrArt@aol.com 29) Re: BE2 survivors by KarrArt@aol.com 30) Re: Bob (Legs) Pearson Out Does Himself by KarrArt@aol.com 31) Re: Pictures by KarrArt@aol.com 32) Re: BE2 survivors by KarrArt@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:48:27 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pegasus Reference Numbers Message-ID: <199902192348.PAA28220@compass.OregonVOS.net> Ken writes: >Here'a few of them... >D.H.5 012 >M.1 013 >D.I 019 >Dolphin 016 >Snipe 008 Interesting. My list sez kit no. 012 was a Focke-Wulf Fw-44 Stieglitz. Any one actually have Pegasus kit no. 012 to resolve this? Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:05:35 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ansaldo SVA 5 Message-ID: <199902200005.QAA08054@compass.OregonVOS.net> Alberto writes: >Hi >I need some info on the SVA's cockpit; >What was the seat's colors ? Can't help. >Also, was the cockpit's floor wood or metal ? and what color ? Wood - with two wooden "heel boards" running fore and aft. The floor seems to be just natural varnished wood while the heel boards seem to be a lighter color - although whether that's because they are painted, just a different type of wood, or the angle of reflection is just different, I can't really say. As I can't think of any really good reason why the boards would be treated differently than the floor and cockpit walls, I'd guess that the apparent difference in tone is an artifact of the angle of reflection and that they are natural wood (maybe with the varnish worn off?) similar to the floor and sidewalls. >Thanks a lot Yer welcome. The foregoing is worth every penny you paid for it - being no more than a (hopefully) intellegent guess. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:05:31 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Off-Topic "Find" Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990219190531.006aa98c@pop.mindspring.com> I picked up an unusual Off Topic kit yesterday. It is a Delta 1:72 Macchi Castoldi MC72. All the writing on the instructions and the book that comes with it is in Itallian. The book is almost a mini datafile with photos, color 3 views and a profile cutaway. Beautiful molding. Anyone know anything about the company or the kit or the plane for that matter, please give me a holler Off List. Franco? TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:23:49 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: Bob (Legs) Pearson Out Does Himself Message-ID: <199902200023.QAA03806@spare.rapidnet.net> > I agree wholeheartedly. Super job Mr. Pearson! > > I must admit smiling to myself though........... > > 100% Port side profiles. > > - John Thanks to all who have commented both onlist and privately about my OTF article !!!!!! Now if I can only get a copy to see it for myself. As for John's comment about portside only .. er uh. . well. .... the upcoming FMP stuff I am doing has the occasional starboard view as well .. not many, but some. regards, Bob PS what about list member Brad Gossen's illustrations that should be heading each of the three sections of the article? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:35:56 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ansaldo SVA 5 Message-ID: <36CE036C.625E@bellsouth.net> Alberto Rada wrote: > I need some info on the SVA's cockpit, > > What was the seat's colors ? > Also, was the cockpit's floor wood or metal ? and what color ? > Hi Alberto, The seat pictured in the Datafile is padded/upolsted with ?, and no color is given,iirc. Sorry, I don't have it in my hands at the moment. But it is padded, and the shoulder harness is a Y configuration that bolts to the seat right where the seat/back join. In the center, of course. The lap belts are also bolted to the seat portion at the corners. Single bolt anchors at all three points, btw. As for the floor board, it didn't really have one. The floor was the bottom of the fuselage. A foot rail assembly with the rudder bar was built on top of that. The whole thing was made of wood with a clear varnish finish. The joystick was an inverted two prong fork made from tubing. The joystick assembly was nestled down in between the foot rails. I have some bitmap diagrams of the sidewall structure, joystick, and footrail assemblies I scratched for the Smer kit. I'll send em to you off list if you want. Say the word... E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:20:38 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Observation Balloons Message-ID: <36CDFFD6.ABE@worldnet.att.net> I picked up one of Rosemont's Vauformed 1/72 Drachen. Really nice. John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:49:29 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: ca3 scans Message-ID: <000c01be5c6a$e0f20a00$0dd690d0@Pvosburg> I remember seeing an "Airfix" R.E.8 that Sig. Casarati built in WWI Aero about nine years ago. The only thing he actually ended up using from the kit were the exhausts, and he completely reworked those too. Alberto's right... I thought it was about two scales bigger than it actually was. The guy does fantastic work, and it's great to hear that he's still modelling. DV -----Original Message----- From: Alberto Rada To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 5:29 PM Subject: Re: ca3 scans >Hi >Nice thing about Italians is that they make it look so easy and >simple, almost no trouble at all, look at Franco's model and his >description, if you still not believe me, have a look at latest >Windsock's article on Revell's Neuport by Alberto Casarati, >after looking at the photos I said , " I didn't know Revel had a >1/24 Nieuport, of course they don't have one, the thingie is >1/72 , INCREDIBLE > > >BRAVO ITALIA > > >SALUDOS > >Alberto > > > > > > > >Franco Poloni wrote: > >> Hi >> first of all, thanks for the kind words, I really appreciated. >> here is a very brief description of the building: >> . . . . . . . > >. . . . . . . . . > >> >> ciao >> >> Franco Poloni > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:55:10 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: SAM index Message-ID: <003b01be5c6b$ab6f3280$0dd690d0@Pvosburg> Bulent: Sorry I can't help with the index question, but welcome to the list anyway! Regards, Dave V. -----Original Message----- From: Bülent Yılmazer To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 7:27 PM Subject: Ynt: SAM index >Dear Tom, > >I too would be very much interested in receiving the index of the SAM volumes. In your posting to >Shane you say "the rest of the index", as I am on the list only for a week I must have missed any >index info you have provided previously. Could you supply me the complete index, please. > >Thanks in advance for your kind concern. > >Bulent Yilmazer >Ankara - TURKEY >yilmazer@tr-net.net.tr > >-----Özgün İleti----- >Kimden: Tom Werner Hansen >Kime: Multiple recipients of list >Tarih: 19 Şubat 1999 Cuma 08:09 >Konu: SAM index > > >>Shane >> >>Would you like the rest of the index of the SAM volumes? The index goes up >>to 1994. >>I don't know where I got it from, quite possibly through some othre guy on >>the list. >> >>Tom > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:56:02 -0600 From: "richard eaton" To: Subject: Re: Bob (Legs) Pearson Out Does Himself Message-ID: <199902200056.SAA07707@sierra.onr.com> I got my OTF as well. Just an excellent article Bob. Complete coverage of one of my great interests - RNAS bombing! Makes me want to take my Pegasus fighter for a spin around the house. (I guess I'll wait until everyone else is asleep) Regards, Richard ---------- > From: Steven M. Perry > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Bob (Legs) Pearson Out Does Himself > Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 4:41 PM > > My OTF arrived, and while I haven't had time to read it all yet, that is > one fine article Bob. I imediately ordered a single seat Strutter to go > with my 2 seater. :-) > sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:05:31 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Bob (Legs) Pearson Out Does Himself Message-ID: <199902200105.RAA04101@spare.rapidnet.net> > I got my OTF as well. Just an excellent article Bob. Complete coverage of > one of my great interests - RNAS bombing! > Makes me want to take my Pegasus fighter for a spin around the house. > (I guess I'll wait until everyone else is asleep) Ha ... Only their 0/100s flew night missions. I don't know if I included it in the article or not, but one problem that No.3 Wing had was after the bombers dropped their bombs they had better performance then the fighters and would outdistance their erstwhile escorts on the way home. That also helps explain the aggressive behaviour of some of the bomber pilots. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:24:52 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SAM index Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990219202452.006abc9c@pop.mindspring.com> At 07:54 PM 2/19/99 -0500, you wrote: >Bulent: > >Sorry I can't help with the index question, but welcome to the list anyway! > >Regards, > >Dave V. Bulent: Let me second Daves "Welcome" with one of my own from St. Pete Fl. What kind of models do you enjoy building? Regards sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:29:13 -0600 From: "The Shannons" To: Subject: Re: SPAD pics Message-ID: <00a901be5c70$6d453fe0$44215dcf@default> Very nice Spad. I'm glad to see we're getting a few of them on the site, too. The turnbuckles add a lot to the rigging, and the markings look real sharp. .Mark. -----Original Message----- From: Allan Wright To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 8:40 AM Subject: Re: SPAD pics >On Feb 18, 11:50pm, Ernest Thomas wrote: >> Subject: SPAD pics >> >> Howdy Alan, >> >> I was wondering if you wouldn't mind posting my latest on the WWI page. >> >> Here's a bit of text... >> >> 1/48 DML SPAD XIII. Belgian markings from Aeromaster, turnbuckles from >> Grandt-Line. Rigged with silver fly-tying thread. >> >> Thanks, >> E. >> Sorry, couldn't figger out how to zip it up. > >Ernest, > > Thanks for the model pictures. They're on the web page at: > >http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Thomas/models.html > >-Allan > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:37:38 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: News on Pegasus Message-ID: <36CE11E2.7EEB91D0@argonaut.net> This was just included in today's H.G. Hannants 'Hot News Sheet' PEGASUS PEGD7215 1:72 WWI Austro Hungarian Crosses and Crowns £3.99 PEG4007 1:72 Armstrong Whitworth FK.8 'Big Ack' £13.99 For all out there that love to do little thingies SALUDOS Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:38:07 -0600 From: "K. Hagerup" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pegasus Reference Numbers Message-ID: <36CE11FF.47EF@prodigy.net> Bill Shatzer wrote: > > Ken writes: > > >Here'a few of them... > > >D.H.5 012 > >M.1 013 > >D.I 019 > >Dolphin 016 > >Snipe 008 > > Interesting. My list sez kit no. 012 was a Focke-Wulf Fw-44 Stieglitz. > > Any one actually have Pegasus kit no. 012 to resolve this? Mea culpa. You are correct. The D.H. 5 is a Merlin Moldels kit, kit no. 12. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:46:17 -0600 From: "K. Hagerup" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Greven's SSW D.III Message-ID: <36CE13E9.5ED9@prodigy.net> Bob Pearson wrote: > > Whoops .. forgot to also say the wheels covers are white as per my earlier > profile . . and on that happy note I'm going back to bed for another 4 > months. Wake me up in the summer please. Bob, Does Greven's SSW have a headrest? Thanks, Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:49:57 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: VCR Alert Message-ID: <199902200149.RAA04457@spare.rapidnet.net> Greeting all, Just a reminder that the History Channel in Canada is airing the Blue Max in 7 minutes and again in another 3 hours as well 6 and 9 PST. . 9pm and midnight EST Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:56:56 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Greven's SSW D.III Message-ID: <199902200156.RAA04514@spare.rapidnet.net> Ken, I'll come out of hibernation long enough to say . . . . "No headrest." Boy I sure seem to have bungled this one .. anyone have a government job I can apply for? Bob ---------- > From: "K. Hagerup" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Greven's SSW D.III > Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:50:00 -0500 (EST) > > Bob Pearson wrote: > > > > Whoops .. forgot to also say the wheels covers are white as per my earlier > > profile . . and on that happy note I'm going back to bed for another 4 > > months. Wake me up in the summer please. > > Bob, > > Does Greven's SSW have a headrest? > > Thanks, > > Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:31:06 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Strutter question Message-ID: <19990219.203107.-797263.2.mbittner@juno.com> I'm trying to track down some French Strutter serials to see if they were indeed French built. Anybody know where I can find this info at? Matt Bittner nb: Guess :-) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:48:38 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SPAD pics Message-ID: <36CE2286.15DD@bellsouth.net> Hey guys, Thanks for the comps. Paul, I got those turnbuckles from the local hobby shop. If there's a shop near you that specializes in trains, or at least caters to those guys, you should be able to get them. I'll see if I can dig up a product number, or maybe SP has one handy. (that's who turned me on to em anyway. he also did the scans btw. thanks again Steve. btw,could I get those pics back in our next postal transaction?) If you can't find em locally, let me know and I'll give you the e-mail address for the shop where I buy em and I'm sure they could mail some out to you. Lmk... Diego, the wheel markings are decals, and the wash and weather was just a raw umber wash that I overdid and it attacked the paint. Oddly enough, it looks just like some real SPAD pics I've seen since. Lucky me. Mark and or Mary S. Thanks. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:46:05 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Strutter question Message-ID: <199902200246.SAA04828@spare.rapidnet.net> Not sure of specific numbers, but the French built more Strutters than the British did. The majority of which were after the British had stopped production as it was an obsolete type. Bob ---------- > From: Matthew E Bittner > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Strutter question > Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:27:39 -0500 (EST) > > I'm trying to track down some French Strutter serials to see if they were > indeed French built. Anybody know where I can find this info at? > > > Matt Bittner > > nb: Guess :-) > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:11:28 -0500 (EST) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Floquil Flo-Stain Message-ID: I have some Floquil Flo-Stain - various wood finishes. I have been warned not to apply this directly on the plastic, else it will eat the plastic. How should this be used to create a wood-like appearance for panels, propellers etc? Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:40:51 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Strutter question Message-ID: <19990219.214105.-781971.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:51:16 -0500 (EST) Bob Pearson writes: >Not sure of specific numbers, but the French built more Strutters than >the >British did. The majority of which were after the British had stopped >production as it was an obsolete type. Any way to know of the four or so Strutters' serials that were delivered to the French? Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:50:26 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Strutter question Message-ID: <199902200350.TAA05189@spare.rapidnet.net> Matt, There was more then four British Strutters that went to the French. My 3 Wing article has a listing of all aircraft assigned to 3 Wing and includes their fate .. many of which were transfered to the French. Bob ---------- > From: Matthew E Bittner > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Strutter question > Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:38:12 -0500 (EST) > > On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:51:16 -0500 (EST) Bob Pearson > writes: > > >Not sure of specific numbers, but the French built more Strutters than > >the > >British did. The majority of which were after the British had stopped > >production as it was an obsolete type. > > Any way to know of the four or so Strutters' serials that were delivered > to the French? > > > Matt Bittner > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:13:23 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Strutter question Message-ID: <199902200413.UAA02512@compass.OregonVOS.net> Matt writes: >Any way to know of the four or so Strutters' serials that were delivered >to the French? Yep - read "French Aircraft of the First World War". ;-) Nos. 9413, 9651, 9655, 9657, 9661, 9664, 9666, 9720, and 9742 from Number 3 Wing, RNAS. Plus six built by Sopwith on a French order numbered, not surprisingly, nos. 1 through 6 inclusive. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:30:07 -0600 From: "Lee J Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Floquil Flo-Stain Message-ID: <36CE485F.DA614BD0@wireweb.net> To all. Use a product from Flo-Quil called BARRIER to protect the plastic and then be very careful. Other undercoating that will protect from Lacquer qill most likely work also. Lee mkendix wrote: > I have some Floquil Flo-Stain - various wood finishes. I have been > warned not to apply this directly on the plastic, else it will eat the > plastic. How should this be used to create a wood-like appearance for > panels, propellers etc? > > Michael > > mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:05:50 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SPAD pics Message-ID: <4070384c.36ce50be@aol.com> Hey E....you got "da EYE". Just the right amount of "scruff". All right- who's the finger chopping machine. Ah, thanks................Ernest?...Ernest?...come over here for a minute.......WHACK! That ought teach you about doing this kind of thing again! Great job... Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:05:41 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modelismo 2000 Message-ID: In a message dated 2/19/99 12:34:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, rada@argonaut.net writes: << Hi Our club in Caracas has just inaugurated a new site http://www.argonaut.net/cdm2000/ SALUDOS Alberto >> Ok, who shrunk the real RE-8? Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:05:55 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Modelismo 2000 Message-ID: In a message dated 2/19/99 1:53:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, eatcrow@hotmail.com writes: << A repeat on what Paul said... The planes look as if out of a museum... Plus another, who loves that Swordfish.. P. Crow >> Off-topic...but.......Great looking! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:06:03 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: BE2 survivors Message-ID: <39da459a.36ce50cb@aol.com> In a message dated 2/17/99 11:39:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, mdf@mars.ark.com writes: << > The one in the RAFM is a BE2b, serial 687, the one that Lt Moorehouse got > his VC in in 1915. > CDL overall, no rudder stripes, black 687 >> I guess that airplane is a complete replica, but, boy oh boy, it sure looks good. Even the engine is a fake, cobbled together out of bits of metal and wood. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:05:38 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bob (Legs) Pearson Out Does Himself Message-ID: A nice lumpy envelope appeared in the mail box today- eeeeeeeeeyyyyiiiiiippppe! another good lookin' OtF. It's going to take some digesting. REALLY FINE Strutter stuff by some guy....... Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:05:47 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pictures Message-ID: <2264e90b.36ce50bb@aol.com> In a message dated 2/19/99 7:58:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, djones@iex.com writes: << I also sent Allan a set of 10 pictures from the SPAD XIII that resides in Phoenix (museum name escapes me at the moment). He has been kind enough to add them to the web site. The pictures aren't too bad. A bit dark perhaps but serviceable. Allan informs me that I need to put some text together for these pictures. I agree. But I am afraid I know little or nothing about this particular aircraft. The pictures were done for me by my flying partner as documentation for a future project. Anyone out there know anything about this bird? If so let me know and I will compile the data and send it to Allan for inclusion on the page. Thanks, Doug >> I believe the Champlin SPAD XIII was built by father and son team Jim and Dick Day specifically for the museum in the mid-late 80s. Rather than steel tube like a lot of modern replicas, this one is built true and lovely from wood, wire and umpteen metal fittings. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:06:05 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: BE2 survivors Message-ID: In a message dated 2/16/99 1:38:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << > All I need is some kind of 48 BE2 kit... Or a sheet of 10 thou card, a sheet of balsa, two chopsticks and 3 years :-( Shane >> I built MY 1/48 BE2c in only 1732354476565433 months! Ok, well...really about 2 months- scale frame, tissue covering, mahogony prop. Robert K. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1454 **********************