WWI Digest 1451 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Big Bad Checkerboards, was Re: Halberstadt finish by Ernest Thomas 2) Re: NOT WAS: Halberstadt finish by Ernest Thomas 3) Re: BANK CHARGES STATESIDE by Mike Fletcher 4) Re: SPAD 16 by Mike Fletcher 5) Re: Posing RFC planes by Bill Neill 6) Re: Pigmented Cellulose by "Tom Werner Hansen" 7) Re: Posing RFC planes by Albatrosdv@aol.com 8) Re: Big Bad Checkerboards, was Re: Halberstadt finish by "Sandy Adam" 9) Re: Posing RFC planes by "Steven M. Perry" 10) RE: Big Bad Checkerboards, was Re: Halberstadt finish by "Diego Fernetti" 11) Re: BE2 survivors by "Steven M. Perry" 12) RE: Posing RFC planes by "Diego Fernetti" 13) Re: Posing RFC planes by Ernest Thomas 14) Re: Posing RFC planes by Ernest Thomas 15) Eduard announced by Lubos.Vinar@euronova.cz 16) RE: Posing RFC planes by "Diego Fernetti" 17) RE: Eduard announced by "Diego Fernetti" 18) RE: Eduard announced by Lubos.Vinar@euronova.cz 19) RE: Posing RFC planes by Bill Neill 20) Re: Posing RFC planes by "Lee J Mensinger" 21) Re: Posing RFC planes by Suvoroff@aol.com 22) Re: Eduard announced by Suvoroff@aol.com 23) RE: Eduard announced by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 24) Re: BANK CHARGES STATESIDE by "Andy Kemp" 25) RE: NOT WAS: Halberstadt finish by Shane Weier 26) RE: Posing RFC planes by Shane Weier 27) Albatros Question by Suvoroff@aol.com 28) Eduards HD-1 Price Error by BStett3770@aol.com 29) Re: Posing RFC planes by "Brad Gossen" 30) RE: Albatross Dr I rigging by Shane Weier 31) Re: BANK CHARGES STATESIDE by "David R.L. Laws" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:36:30 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Big Bad Checkerboards, was Re: Halberstadt finish Message-ID: <36CB98CE.7C09@bellsouth.net> Peter Crow wrote: > > Great looking model.... was this with decals, or masked and painted?? Masked and painted? Are you daft man? Black squares, or rectangles actually, cut from decal film. Strips of fus were painted though. And thanks for the nice words guys. Richard, the color scheme is fictional. Taken from a old Robert Redford movie, 'The Great Waldo Pepper'. A good movie, not a great movie. But some nice airplanes and good flying scenes. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:41:23 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: NOT WAS: Halberstadt finish Message-ID: <36CB99F3.5ACE@bellsouth.net> MMW put her foot down saying: > Divorce! Divorce! Divorce! > > Megan McGregor Weier ROTFL! ROTFL! ROTFL! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:50:06 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: BANK CHARGES STATESIDE Message-ID: <36CB9BFE.5241F908@mars.ark.com> if it is under $10 I often send cash and have had no problems yet (Even if I have a payment vanish now, it has already paid for itself (knock on wood) as money orders are $3+ here. The trick is to minimize the number of bills and round the amount so there are no coins, plus add a small piece of card so the contents cannot be discerned. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:52:40 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SPAD 16 Message-ID: <36CB9C98.28448635@mars.ark.com> I'd like to see that too, if you could Richard Caudron wrote: > > Hi Matt, > The french magazine Replic in its last release offer a photoscope about the > Nieuport11. The interior is quiet simple. No dashboard, only the speed > indicator on the right side. > I am now in the states, but, if still needed, once home, I can try to scan > the picture. > Regards, > Richard Caudron > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > > Matthew E Bittner > > Sent: vrijdag 12 februari 1999 12:00 > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: SPAD 16 > > > > > > Ok. I'm still trying to track down cockpit info for the SPAD 11. What > > I'm wondering is if anyone has taken pictures - or know where there are > > pictures available - of the USAF Museum's original SPAD 16. Since it and > > the 11 were very close, I would like to use cockpit shots of this to > > help. > > > > Anybody traveling there soon that could take pictures? > > > > > > Matt Bittner > > > > nb: One Off-Topic (il-lusions of grandeur) and Flashback Strutter > > nu: SPAD 11 > > nr: About to finish _Storks_ > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:48:42 -0500 From: Bill Neill To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Posing RFC planes Message-ID: <199902180048_MC2-6AE5-23AE@compuserve.com> Now that the triplane is up on it's undercarriage, (there was a side loop while I converted the Eduard parts to proper split axle) my mind turned to getting the position of the control surfaces and sundry bits sorted out. I went through a lot of WW1 RFC photos, mostly from Harleyfords 'Air aces of WW1' looking for typical poses. This is what I see......... Elevators are always down, probably as far as they go. Rudders are more or less central. Ailerons are a mixture, but curiously, up and down ailerons are frequently not at the same angle. The down angle is more than the up angle. Even neutral ailerons can be seen to both droop. Propellors are generally horizontal, or within 45 degrees of so. (I went through the French and German sections of the book as well, thier props are all over the place). Comments anyone? I have this suspicion that the RFC probably had regulations for the orderly arrangement of aircraft on the ground. The armed services seem to have detailed regulations for everything else. Bill Neill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 07:52:37 +0100 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Re: Pigmented Cellulose Message-ID: <199902180702.IAA10389@d1o211.telia.com> Shane. Hold it for a little while. If it's in one of the earlier years I may have it. What's more, I actually got through the whole sequence and put them in the computer. I'll have a look later to-day. Tom ---------- > From: Shane Weier > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Pigmented Cellulose > Date: 17. februar 1999 22:12 > > Sandy, > > > Shane, you must have forgotten you were going to let us know what the > > various shades corresponding to PC1 - PC9 & PC11 were. > > TIA > > Guilty m'lud. > > I had a quick look last Friday night, but many of my magazines are still > boxed up in our garage since we moved house and the 35C plus temperature in > there over the weekend was no encouragement to try again. I haven't indexed > my Scale Aircraft Modelling mags as thoroughly as I should, but I know it > was an Ian Huntley column and will just have to flip through the binders > until I find the right one. Hang in there - and remind me agin if it's not > in Mondays mail, I may still be prevaricating > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 02:38:48 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Posing RFC planes Message-ID: <8c40e1b2.36cbc388@aol.com> In a message dated 99-02-18 00:50:21 EST, you write: << Ailerons are a mixture, but curiously, up and down ailerons are frequently not at the same angle. The down angle is more than the up angle. Even neutral ailerons can be seen to both droop. >> This is the way an aileron works - usually the aileron drops 2 for every 1 up. Otherwise the adverse aileron yaw is too much. FWIW, the Jenny had equal- deflection, non-sensitive ailerons, with an oversensitive rudder. You lead with the rudder to turn it (exact opposite of what you do with a real airplane), and if it goes into more than a standard-rate turn, it will go into a high-speed stall, which goes into a spin and takes 3,500 ft. to pull out. This is where the term "coffin corner" comes from, as a student pilot will often overshoot the turn from base to final, and tighten the turn. In the case of the Jenny, doing that at an altitude of 150 ft AGL was...the coffin corner. Not to brag, but I learned all that during 2 hours of dual in Jim Nissen's JN4D Jenny back in 1979. A modern pilot almost cannot fly one of the things, since they violate so many laws of aerodynamics. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:24:47 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Big Bad Checkerboards, was Re: Halberstadt finish Message-ID: <199902180928.JAA03693@beryl.sol.co.uk> > Weenies! > http://www.xnet.com/~tmblweed/DR1Model.html No not weenies - hugies! Very nice Dr1 and congrats .. but...I've got more red and white chequers on one side of the cowling of my Camel than are on the whole Dr1 airframe! As Shane said, decals and masking can be a bigger pain than just hand-painting. I'm doing two Camels in checks - red& white F.1 and blue&white 2F.1 - and found it easiest just to pain white, draw the lines on in pencil, then get a fine Nr1 sable brush and cross my eyes.... You'll see the result soon (!?@!) BTW what is MIMMI? I'd be interested to see any other way. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 05:13:38 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Posing RFC planes Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990218051338.006afe1c@pop.mindspring.com> At 12:49 AM 2/18/99 -0500, you wrote: >Now that the triplane is up on it's undercarriage, (there was a side loop >while I converted the Eduard parts to proper split axle) my mind turned to >getting the position of the control surfaces and sundry bits sorted out. >I went through a lot of WW1 RFC photos, mostly from Harleyfords 'Air aces >of WW1' looking for typical poses. This is what I see......... >Elevators are always down, probably as far as they go. >Rudders are more or less central. >Ailerons are a mixture, but curiously, up and down ailerons are frequently >not at the same angle. The down angle is more than the up angle. Even >neutral ailerons can be seen to both droop. >Propellors are generally horizontal, or within 45 degrees of so. (I went >through the French and German sections of the book as well, thier props are >all over the place). >Comments anyone? I have this suspicion that the RFC probably had >regulations for the orderly arrangement of aircraft on the ground. The >armed services seem to have detailed regulations for everything else. > >Bill Neill > Bill: A little more down throw than up is normal rigging in ailerons. (That way on my C.150 and they also did that at the RC flying field). When they are dead neutral, they are both a fuzz down. I guess this increases camber/lift at the tips and prevents tip stalls kind of like washout or a stall strip. The props are another story. Wooden props take up moisture when the humidity increases. Leaving them horizontal keeps the moisture from accumulating in one end and off balancing the prop. All wooden props are stored overinght in the horizontal position. Photos showing them otherwise were taken after the aircraft has been moved and the engine pulled through or run. Running up an unbalanced prop attached to a wire braced wooden truss frame is something you will do only once. I imagine the airframe riggers would have been tempted to throw a WWI style blanket party for the fool mechanic who left a prop vertical over night. I used to leave my metal prop horizontal just to provoke the odd question till I found a snake had taken it over for a sunning perch. I left it vertical from then on and added 'Look for snake in cowl" to the pre-flight checklist. sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 07:32:08 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Big Bad Checkerboards, was Re: Halberstadt finish Message-ID: <009401be5b29$f0d91d60$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> -----Mensaje original----- De: Ernest Thomas >Richard, the color scheme is fictional. Taken from a old Robert Redford >movie, 'The Great Waldo Pepper'. A good movie, not a great movie. But >some nice airplanes and good flying scenes. >E. > I liked the movie a lot. I saw this one when I was a kid (yes list, I'm still on my 20's, but not for too long) and that film made me love biplanes. And I liked the triplane BAD. I was angry when Waldo and the ugly-fat-sad-german (I can't recall his name) broke the planes. But I was glad when Susan Sarandon fell... she was consuming time for aerial stunts! D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 05:32:48 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: BE2 survivors Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990218053248.006b0df4@pop.mindspring.com> At 11:31 PM 2/17/99 -0500, you wrote: > > >Bill Neill writes: >-snips- > >>I also found a photo I did not know I had of the one in the IWM, could not >>see a serial on it. > >Probably s/n 2699. Yes I have a book from IWM and it clearly shows 2699 in large black characters, (height = to distance between spars) on the bottom of each lower wing panel inboard of full chord roundels. Tha Camel is N6812. sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 07:47:28 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Posing RFC planes Message-ID: <00a901be5b2c$14b8da20$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> The elevator down and the ailerons up & down possibly are the result of "freezing" the control surfaces tying the control column with one of the safety belt buckles. This is done because this way you prevent the flapping of the surfaces in the wind or when the airplane is towed out of the hangars or tents or wherever they use to store the machines. I guess this because we do that in our glider club. And we apply a blanket party to the pilot who left the glider loose on the wind. I gave some, I took many. D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 06:10:12 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Posing RFC planes Message-ID: <36CC0324.3CCE@bellsouth.net> Steven M. Perry wrote: > till I found a snake had taken it over for a sunning perch. I left it > vertical from then on and added 'Look for snake in cowl" to the pre-flight > checklist. > ROTFL!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 06:22:49 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Posing RFC planes Message-ID: <36CC0619.2ECE@bellsouth.net> Diego Fernetti wrote: > > The elevator down and the ailerons up & down possibly are the result of > "freezing" the control surfaces tying the control column with one of the > safety belt buckles. But securing the stick with the harness would leave the elevators in the 'Up' position. Just speculating here, but I would guess that the elevators being always down would be due mainly to gravity. Especially if the counter balanced control surface hadn't been designed yet. The other possibility could be that the elevators are always down because the pilots always push the stick forward so it's not in the way when trying to climb in and out of the hole. Just a thought... E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:41:34 +0100 From: Lubos.Vinar@euronova.cz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Eduard announced Message-ID: For 1999 year 1:48 Roland C.II Hanriot HD.2 Floatplane Nieuport 11 Sopwith F.1 Camel ! Pfalz D.IIIa 1:72 Fokker Dr.I Albatros D.V Hanriot HD.1 (1:48) now available (wery low cost - 7$ only) Flashback SSW D.III (Eduard plastic parts, new Photo Etch. parts, resin parts, new decal (Swiss AF, German home defense)) now available Lubos Vinar http://fly.to/vinar ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:33:18 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Posing RFC planes Message-ID: <001301be5b43$3f8882c0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> -----Mensaje original----- De: Ernest Thomas >securing the stick with the harness would leave the elevators in the >'Up' position. Just speculating here, but I would guess that the >elevators being always down would be due mainly to gravity. You're completely right, Ernest. Sorry, I can't think clearly in early mornings. I thought about that just after I sent the message and I was thinking how could I correct myself decorously. But I can't avoid the blanket party this time. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:37:46 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Eduard announced Message-ID: <001a01be5b43$df10a8e0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> -----Mensaje original----- De: Lubos.Vinar@euronova.cz >1:72 Fokker Dr.I > Albatros D.V > Great! When? Where? How? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 14:48:45 +0100 From: Lubos.Vinar@euronova.cz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Eduard announced Message-ID: This year, probably. "Diego Fernetti" na 18.02.99 14:38:25 Odpovězte prosím - wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Komu: Multiple recipients of list Kopie: (Na vědomí: Lubos Vinar/CZEURONOVA/EU/Ahold) Předmět: RE: Eduard announced Content-type: text/plain; charset˙-ascii -----Mensaje original----- De: Lubos.Vinar@euronova.cz >1:72 Fokker Dr.I > Albatros D.V > Great! When? Where? How? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:34:06 -0500 From: Bill Neill To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Posing RFC planes Message-ID: <199902181034_MC2-6AF4-F2AC@compuserve.com> I have seen at least one (just post WW1) cockpit photo with a webbing strap across the cockpit, wrapped around the spade grip on the column. It makes sense., I guess, as Diego says, to stop the control surfaces from flapping. I've seen modern replica WW1 planes with actual control locks, but I don't see evidence on contemporary photos yet. It has puzzled me a bit as to the apparently careless way airplanes are just sitting there in WW1 photos. I would have expected chocks and tiedowns. I guess pretty much all of the photos are posed, and not necessarily representative of how they might have appeared operationally. Does anyone know of writings by RFC ground crew? I read a bunch of pilot memoirs for period detail, but they seemed to just get out the airplane as soon as it stopped, and expect it to be prepped and ready next morning again. Bill Neill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:40:41 -0600 From: "Lee J Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Posing RFC planes Message-ID: <36CC4289.25EF747@wireweb.net> Many flying fields did not have enough hangar space for all of the planes and it was ordinary that the planes were pointed into the wind so they were ready to roll on start up. If they were going to be that way very long, pull the elevtors to the up position so that a strong wind would no go under the tail, raise it off of the ground and bounce it around. In 1958, C-130 aircraft at Ashiya AB in Japan were having a terrible time with the nose gear shock absorbers failing. After an intensive investigation, it was discovered that a wind on the nose of the 130's in excess of 17 knots caused the plane to oscillate, up and down, for hours on end. It didn't matter if the elevators were up or down. The onshore winds at Ashiya averaged 19 knots and therefore the planes were getting a lifetime of landing wear in a few weeks by rocking up and down, up to, 24 hours a day. Completely wore out the seals. After the cause was discovered, they pulled the nose down with a, "chain puller", connected to steel pins and rings imbedded in the concrete. The wear problem ended. It does matter, even today. Elevators up or down should be OK for posing. It depends on the needs of the day. But it is well nigh impossible to tie the elevators into a full down position since there is nothing to tie the stick in a full forward position except gravity on the tail surfaces. Some "droop" is almost always possible. Lee Diego Fernetti wrote: > The elevator down and the ailerons up & down possibly are the result of > "freezing" the control surfaces tying the control column with one of the > safety belt buckles. This is done because this way you prevent the flapping > of the surfaces in the wind or when the airplane is towed out of the hangars > or tents or wherever they use to store the machines. I guess this because we > do that in our glider club. And we apply a blanket party to the pilot who > left the glider loose on the wind. I gave some, I took many. > D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:25:57 EST From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Posing RFC planes Message-ID: <4e41b9dd.36cc5b35@aol.com> "I've seen modern replica WW1 planes with actual control locks, but I don't see evidence on contemporary photos yet." The Albatros had a lock for stick, restricting the elevator movement only. "Does anyone know of writings by RFC ground crew? I read a bunch of pilot memoirs for period detail, but they seemed to just get out the airplane as soon as it stopped, and expect it to be prepped and ready next morning again." Check out the first few chapters in _Flying Fury_ by James McCudden. He started out the war as an aircraft mechanic, and has some interesting and informative descriptions of his activities. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:26:55 EST From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard announced Message-ID: <2df0168b.36cc5b6f@aol.com> "1:72 Fokker Dr.I Albatros D.V" Ooo! Ooo! Ooo! Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:27:28 -0700 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Eduard announced Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990218122728.007b47e0@mail> At 08:48 AM 18/02/99 -0500, you wrote: >This year, probably. Uh, yeah. The Roland was announced about two years ago. So I wouldn't be holding my breath on any of these. Of course, when they finally do arrive, they'll be great; no doubt of that. Dane > > > >"Diego Fernetti" na 18.02.99 14:38:25 > >Odpovězte prosím - wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > >Komu: Multiple recipients of list >Kopie: (Na vědomí: Lubos Vinar/CZEURONOVA/EU/Ahold) >Předmět: RE: Eduard announced > > > >Content-type: text/plain; charset˙-ascii > > > >-----Mensaje original----- >De: Lubos.Vinar@euronova.cz >>1:72 Fokker Dr.I >> Albatros D.V >> > >Great! When? Where? How? > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:10:49 -0000 From: "Andy Kemp" To: Subject: Re: BANK CHARGES STATESIDE Message-ID: <011201be5b7d$3aae65a0$b110d3d4@whatever> Hi, I've always used IMOs (International Money Orders - like our Postal Orders) in such situations. I can't remember the exact fee, but it's a d****d sight cheaper than using the banks for cheques etc! I always got mine from the Amex Shop on Stonegate in York - I presume there must be other similar emporia about in your part of the country?? Best o' luck, Andy K -----Original Message----- From: David R.L. Laws To: Multiple recipients of list Date: 18 February 1999 00:30 Subject: BANK CHARGES STATESIDE >Hi all > >Buying on your side of the pond nearly always represents a terrific >saving and then the damned bank ovber here takes modt of it with their >foreign exchange and other charges to write an IMO or the like > >Any collective wisdom on this subject ? I can live with Visa charges on >the forex for purchases, the problem is where a shop or private vendor >wants a cheque - > >Would Travellers' cheques be workable or is the answer an on-shore US >account - if the latter any recommendations on banks with good >reputations - any advice re US states where bank charges are relatively >low .. that kinda thing and are there any special rules about minimum >ammounts > >david > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 07:19:49 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: NOT WAS: Halberstadt finish Message-ID: Ernest, > MMW put her foot down saying: > > Divorce! Divorce! Divorce! > > > > Megan McGregor Weier > > ROTFL! ROTFL! ROTFL! > It's alright for *you* to laugh, but you oughta see the bruises *where* she put the foot down :-( Seriously, Meg is very supportive of my hobby, and even understands why I buy loads of *kits* then scratchbuild stuff instead. But she'd not too keen on my taking over the entire family room to build a Gotha or a Staaken. Even the Caproni took delicate negotiations (heehee - see, I'll work UP to a Staaken :-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 07:43:20 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Posing RFC planes Message-ID: Bill, > I've seen modern replica WW1 planes with actual control > locks, but I don't see evidence on contemporary photos yet. Take a look at an Albatros cockpit. On the column a little below the grips is a sliding collar with a locking lever. This *is* a control lock, though only for the elevators - the stick was still free to move side to side. Incidentally, this is not included in any Albatros kit that I can think of at 7:30am, most assume the stick to be a single bar, where it's actually a fairly compley bit of engineering. Regarding position of control surfaces - I'd imagine the elevators are dowm due to gravity, the ailerons offset because the pilot moved the stick to facilitate his exit and the rudder offset because that's where it was when he stopped - or maybe where the wind blew it. You *sometimes* see the pilots harness wrapped around the stick, but it's also common to see them drooped over the fuselage sides . All IMHO BTW Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:59:04 EST From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Albatros Question Message-ID: <1c5fd0c1.36cc8d28@aol.com> I have been staring at the NASM Albatros book some more, and STROPP has a strange little "spigot" coming out the port side forward and below the cockpit. It is not apparently a common fitting, since I can't see it in most Albatros photographs. Does anybody have any idea what this thing is? Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:01:25 EST From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Eduards HD-1 Price Error Message-ID: <90065976.36cc8db5@aol.com> Hi Gang Sorry to take up the space. Due to a pricing error by our supplier. The Eduards 1/48 Hanriot HD-1 kits were sold to our customers at the wrong price. New Rosemont price is now $17.99 All whom purchased kits from us will be receiving a credit voucher in the mail. Sorry for the problem Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:19:50 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Posing RFC planes Message-ID: <199902182220.RAA28693@mail5.globalserve.net> There is a book called "From the Ground Up - A History of RAF Ground Crew" by Fred J. Adkin, Airlife Publishing, 1983, ISBN 0 906393 21 3. Beginning with the Royal Engineers Balloon Corps in the Boer War, much of the book deals with the Great War and between the wars. It ends with the close of WWII. Brad BigglesRFC@globalserve.net ---------- > From: Bill Neill > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Posing RFC planes > Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 10:36 AM > > I have seen at least one (just post WW1) cockpit photo with a webbing strap > across the cockpit, wrapped around the spade grip on the column. It makes > sense., I guess, as Diego says, to stop the control surfaces from flapping. > I've seen modern replica WW1 planes with actual control locks, but I don't > see evidence on contemporary photos yet. > It has puzzled me a bit as to the apparently careless way airplanes are > just sitting there in WW1 photos. I would have expected chocks and > tiedowns. I guess pretty much all of the photos are posed, and not > necessarily representative of how they might have appeared operationally. > Does anyone know of writings by RFC ground crew? I read a bunch of pilot > memoirs for period detail, but they seemed to just get out the airplane as > soon as it stopped, and expect it to be prepped and ready next morning > again. > > Bill Neill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:09:58 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Albatross Dr I rigging Message-ID: Hi, Now *I* am getting into this rather late but since I only looked at my reference last night for the first time I might add a detail or two. > > >Are the flying wires > > >attached to the fuselage where the wing roots were on the Alb DVa? > > > > Very, very close in the vertical dimension, as near as I can tell. > > > > In the horizontal dimension, the flying wires run parallel to > > one another rather than converging as they do on the DV and > > so the fuselage attachment points appear to be the same > > distance apart as the outboard struts. Thus the attachment > > points are further apart than they are on the DV (or the > > DII and DIII, for that matter.) I don't know that this is actually so. They diverge on the D.V alright, but it has a much greater chord on the upper wing than the Dr.I, which has an upper wing of roughly the same chord as the lower. Agree entirely that the flying wires attach to the fuslelage at the junction of the side panel and underside panels. However my photo (in Bowers and McDowell, a marvelously sharp reproduction about 6" by 4") also shows a pair of white dots in the shadow beneath these points in a line apparently extended down along the line of the flying wires. These may be vestiges of the original wing fittings, or the attachment points may have some external framework between them like the "band" which runs under and between the forward undercarriage legs of the D.III. Or I may be absolutely wrong. Something I don't recall being mentioned is the wing root cutouts on the middle wing. These are very visible in the photo, shown in the instructions including in the decal placement plans BUT aren't present on the kit parts. In the photo the aftmost of the bumps in the port side of the cowling cutout (which fits between the two induction pipe sets) has been curved *up* so that the peak is outside the line of the horizontal parts of the induction pipes rather than down *about* horizontal between the pipes above the carbies. I expect this is damage to the cowl rather than intended - since it looks to be right about in line with the port MG. The kit provides a small "horn" as the attachment point for the drag wire. Try as I might, I cannot see this in the photo - looks to me more like the wire is fitted just like on most other a/c - through a hole, with a turnbuckle just outside. IIRC the kit has a pair of reinforcing plates at about the position of the forward cabane attachment. In the photo the forward one is definitely there, but the second looks more like a dent in the cowl. As usual, this might be meaningful or not - perhaps the part was removed before or added after - just a comment on the pic. HTH Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:26:39 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: BANK CHARGES STATESIDE Message-ID: <36CD3C5F.508E@webtime.com.au> David Thankls for the advice and the URL to Well Fargo - Ah, memories of the Cisco Kid ! ... Oh Pancho ... david ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1451 **********************