WWI Digest 1445 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Sopwith Camel Magazine reviews by "Graham Nash" 2) Re: Hannover CL.II / III / IIIa by RMG 3) Re: arms of Roland D.II? by Matthew E Bittner 4) Re: arms of Roland D.II? by fedders 5) Re: VCR Alert ..THE BLUE MAX by "Mark Shanks" 6) New Images on the Website by Allan Wright 7) Re: Richmond, VA IPMS Open by "Mark Shanks" 8) Re: arms of Roland D.II? by "richard eaton" 9) shameful disease by "Diego Fernetti" 10) Re: Hobby Shop Basillicas, Was: Back on list by "Mark Shanks" 11) Re: Sopwith Camel Magazine reviews by "Eli Geher" 12) Re: New Images on the Website by "Sandy Adam" 13) Re: Le nouveau garcon by Albatrosdv@aol.com 14) Re: New Images on the Website by Matthew E Bittner 15) Re: New Images on the Website by Carlos Valdes 16) RE: Things that float... by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 17) Re: Things that float... by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 18) Re: Sopwith Triplane details by Bill Neill 19) Re: Hobby Shop Basillicas, Was: Back on list by Bill Neill 20) Albatross DrI Rigging by "Mark Shanks" 21) Re: New Images on the Website by Alberto Rada 22) RE: Things that float... by Mick Fauchon 23) RE: New Images on the Website by Shane Weier 24) Re: Albatross DrI Rigging by Matthew Zivich 25) RE: Albatross DrI Rigging by Shane Weier 26) Off Topic 'Tweener Request by Suvoroff@aol.com 27) Re: Albatross DrI Rigging by Modelhound@aol.com 28) Re: New Images on the Website by Alberto Rada 29) RE: Albatross DrI Rigging by "Mark Shanks" 30) Re: New Images on the Website by "Steven M. Perry" 31) Re: Albatross DrI Rigging by Dennis Ugulano ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 04:52:19 PST From: "Graham Nash" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Camel Magazine reviews Message-ID: <19990215125219.2617.qmail@hotmail.com> I would be happy to give you a de-limited file of Sopwith Camel appearances if that would help. Let me know what criteria you want. Best, Uncle SNiffy >Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 07:15:05 -0500 (EST) >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Sopwith Camel Magazine reviews > >Hi gang, > > Unfortunatly my magazine database has gone south on me, just when Lorna >wants some info :-((. > > What we are after is listings for reviews/articles on the Sopwith Camel >(all scales) in any modelling magazine. Could you also cc it to our >address as well as the list. > > Many thanks in advance > > Shane (who now has to set up a new DB & type it all in again :-(( ) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:05:31 -0500 From: RMG To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hannover CL.II / III / IIIa Message-ID: <36C81B9B.3CC9@together.net> Hirohisa Ozaki wrote: > > Hi All, > > My Datafile copies, Albatros C.III, LVG C.VI, Hannover Cl.III and etc were arrived yesterday! > I read and check about exterior differs between Hannober CL.II and IIIa. > I found two. > 1) struts of upper tailplane > 2) ailerons shape > Does anyone know more points? > > Hiro As a practiced lurker here, I don't really come out of "hiding" but this a/c is probably my favorite so I will offer what little knowledge I have on the subject. With the ailerons, the early models as well as testing prototypes seem to have had unbalanced versions, hence the variation in shape. Jane's Fighting a/c of WW1 states that aileron control was poor @ lower speeds, so I suppose trying to enhance control was likely an issue. Strut bracing seems to have been an evolving trend as well. Many of the pictures I have seen show combinations so the best bet is to pick a specific a/c where you can determine what the configuration is and go with it! I am in the process of drawing up a 1/6 scale version to build as a flying version and am encountering the same choices. Best of luck in your search, this group is a WEALTH of knowledge. TTFN, Bob Goering :>) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:07:22 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: arms of Roland D.II? Message-ID: <19990215.090858.-801475.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 02:12:01 -0500 (EST) "Hirohisa Ozaki" writes: >Did Roland D.II have fixed guns? >If it so, where were guns on airplane? >Or, Roland D.II had no fixed armament? Fixed guns, embedded in the fuselage with "tubes" coming out for the barrels right next to the engine towards the front. HTH. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:12:13 -0600 (CST) From: fedders To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: arms of Roland D.II? Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Feb 1999, Hirohisa Ozaki wrote: > Did Roland D.II have fixed guns? > If it so, where were guns on airplane? > Or, Roland D.II had no fixed armament? > > Hiro > > > I believe thatthe guns were buried in the "hump" thatthe top wing sits on. There should be two holes in the lower front of t he hump where the bullets spewed out -- I think peter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 07:48:54 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: VCR Alert ..THE BLUE MAX Message-ID: <199902151539.HAA02359@mailhost.fltdyn.com> Bob pearson writes: > Greetings all, > > For those able to get the HISTORY CHANNEL in Canada, they will be showing > THE BLUE MAX on Friday the 19th .. not sure of the time though. Ah, what other movie has so MANY great lines?? "What did you train on, Stachel?" "An out-of-date Pfalz, Herr Hauptmann." "That's what you'll fly here." "Then you will have the deep satisfaction of having served the Fatherland..." "It's a cruel world, Herr Hauptmann - you said so yourself." "You will find it........hard to get." Who needs a VCR!! Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:51:33 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: New Images on the Website Message-ID: <199902151551.KAA10045@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hi everyone, Annother moded gallery added today. Some really nice photos of Franco Poloni's Caproni bomber. http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Poloni/index.html -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 07:58:20 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Richmond, VA IPMS Open Message-ID: <199902151549.HAA02520@mailhost.fltdyn.com> Why I don't like the IPMS Reason #732: Leonard Endy wrote: > I watched with amazement as one judge picked-up my w.29, and with > his trusty flashlight, examined the floats for imperfections. "Amazement" indeed, and no small part of horror, too, I dare say. I hope you bitch-slapped the idiot. I've seen too many judges who are far less nimble with their fingers than they are with a mirror and flashlight. Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:24:59 -0600 From: "richard eaton" To: Subject: Re: arms of Roland D.II? Message-ID: <199902151625.KAA09084@sierra.onr.com> Hiro The Roland D.II had twin guns mounted within the fuselage. It is one of the few German fighters to have the guns internally mounted. After asking the list I chose not to try and represent the barrels as they would be almost invisible on my 1/72 pegasus. The muzzles would be on either side of the motor barely protruding from under the engine cover slightly above the exhaust manifold as I recall. Regards, Richard ---------- > From: Hirohisa Ozaki > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: arms of Roland D.II? > Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 1:12 AM > > Did Roland D.II have fixed guns? > If it so, where were guns on airplane? > Or, Roland D.II had no fixed armament? > > Hiro > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:28:13 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: shameful disease Message-ID: <007c01be5900$2feebe00$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi list: I'm posting my apology about the #$%&@!Şşş\{} virus that I spreaded into the list. This was my first time and I hope the last to get an electronic disease. I'm sorry, pals. Now, let's play! D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:31:14 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hobby Shop Basillicas, Was: Back on list Message-ID: <199902151622.IAA02947@mailhost.fltdyn.com> Richard Eaton wrote: > > Just resubbed after a few days visit (interviewing) in the > > Bay area of California. Happily my hotel was just around the > > corner from San Antonio Hobbies in Palo Alto. John and Allison Cygan responded: > Welcome Back Rich, > > I have to agree about San Antonio. I get to the bay area and I always > try to find time to make the pilgrimage. It is the most complete and > biggest hobby shop I have seen. > > Another good one is Venture Hobbies in the Chicago area (a little west). > Not quite the selection of San Antonio, but there isn't much these guys > don't have. No bargins here though: List Price + Tax, thank you for your > patronage. > > The best all around shop in New England that I have seen is Spare Time > in Marlborough. Nice selection of models, books & Mags, but not much > Vac & Resin. > > How about it Guys & Gals? Any other Hobby Heavens we should visit? As Thomas Wolfe wrote, "O lost, and mourned by the wind...." Back in Ye Olde Days, when hobby shops were hobby shops, and none of 'em sold doll house furniture or beads and trinkets, there were the mighty pair Squadron Shop and Warbirds in Detroit. Warbirds was where the IPMS meetings were held, Squadron was where (tho' we didn't know it at the time) a good part of the then-future of modeling was getting carved out. Warbirds was dimly lit, but it's glass cases were chock-a-block with astonishing efforts a young 'un like me dreamt of emulating. The walls were lined with the exotica of LS Labs, Nitto, Frog, and hundreds of Airfix baggies. If it showed up in the IPMS Monthly, Warbirds probably had it. Squadron had a "back room" where, instead of a blind pig poker game going, you'd find some hard-core typed hunkered down over a hex board and duking it out with their Priests and Hummels. Both shops offered free coffe to patrons, and the folks behind the counters knew what they were talking about. Sigh. GOOD hobby shops are scarcer than phoenix eggs. Speaking of Phoenix - I was amazed that they don't have what I would consider a GOOD hobby shop (what with all the military and retirees there) - only stores that share their space with the afore-mentioned dolls, gimcracks, geegaws, and downright frilly foolery. A veritable wasteland, in more ways than one. (One place, Desert Hobbies, closed before I settled in - it looked promising, from my single visit.) Avoid altogether. Portland has Bridgetown Hobbies - very nice, one of the better of the current breed. Very good selection of paints, some surprises among the kits, excellent books, knowledgeable staff. (They can't help it if half the store is assorted D&D-type games, I guess....) But no coffee..... All-in-all, I have to say that San Antonio Hobbies is probably the single best store I have been to, though. I would drive three hours (from Merced, home of Castle AFB) to get there. I once visited when Larry Templeton had his cutaway Constellation there - jaw-dropping stuff. They moved (only a few storefronts) some years back, and the new (well, as *I* think of them) digs have all the more room for goodies. Brookhurst Hobbies, further south, is another exemplary shop. Why should California get the good stores? Don't those people all surf or act in movies? ;-) Mark mshankls@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:55:37 -0600 From: "Eli Geher" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Sopwith Camel Magazine reviews Message-ID: <007e01be5904$1e554ac0$486086d0@ELIGEHER> Heres my computer's opinion on the subject. Any errors are undoubtedly due to design errors in the AMD K6 microprocessor. Treat the following data as a comma delimited file for purposes of importing into a spreadsheet or other display program. Subject,Publication,Volume, Num, Page ----------------------------,---------------,---,---,--- SOPWITH F1 CAMEL ,A/C ARCH. WW1,2,0 ,32 SOPWITH CAMEL-ESTONIA 1919 ,AIR ENTHUS QTRLY ,0 ,18 ,63 SOPWITH CAMEL ,AIR ENTHUS QTRLY ,0 ,46 ,64 SOPWITH CAMEL 2F.1- LATVIA ,INSIGNIA ,1 ,2 ,42 SOPWITH CAMEL -RAF, SOVIET ,INSIGNIA ,1 ,4 ,135 SOPWITH CAMEL ,IPMS ENGLAND ,1972 ,4 ,2 SOPWITH CAMEL-COLLISHAW ,IPMS ENGLAND ,1971 ,7 ,9 SOPWITH CAMEL-NAVY MODEL ,IPMS ENGLAND ,1972 ,7 ,14 SOPWITH CAMEL ,IPMS QUARTERLY ,7 ,1 ,36 SOPWITH CAMEL , IPMS QUARTERLY ,8 ,2 ,76 SOPWITH CAMEL , IPMS QUARTERLY ,6 ,3 ,18 SOPWITH CAMEL , IPMS QUARTERLY ,1 ,1 ,1 SOPWITH CAMEL , IPMS QUARTERLY ,13 ,3 ,126 SOPWITH CAMEL , IPMS UPDATE ,12 ,3 ,64 SOPWITH CAMEL F1 , PAM NEWS ,0 ,26 ,641 SOPWITH CAMEL ,RANDOM THOUGHTS ,9 ,10 ,122 SOPWITH CAMEL ,SCALE AC MODELER ,8 ,4 ,169 SOPWITH CAMEL 2F.1,230 SQDN ,SCALE AC MODELER ,2 ,11 ,513 SOPWITH CAMEL F.1, 28 SQDN ,SCALE AC MODELER ,4 ,3 ,129 SOPWITH CAMEL-203 SQDN ,SCALE AC MODELER ,6 ,1 ,33 SOPWITH CAMEL-209 SQDN ,SCALE AC MODELER ,3 ,12 ,563 SOPWITH CAMEL-NO.78 SQDN ,SCALE AC MODELER ,10 ,7 ,320 SOPWITH F.1 CAMEL-213 SQDN ,SCALE AC MODELER ,6 ,9 ,409 SOPWITH CAMEL ,SCALE AC MODELER ,15 ,7 ,286 SOPWITH CAMEL 94 SQDN RAF ,SCALE AC MODELER ,15 ,8 ,357 SOPWITH F1 CAMEL ,WINDSOCK ,7 ,2 ,2 SOPWITH F.1 CAMEL ,WINDSOCK ,7 ,6 ,17 SOPWITH F.1 CAMEL ,WINDSOCK ,9 ,6 ,1 SOPWITH F.1 CAMEL BARKER & MALIK,WINDSOCK ,11 ,4 ,36 SOPWITH CAMEL 2F.1 ,WINDSOCK ,13 ,5 ,33 SOPWITH CAMEL ROY BROWN ,WINDSOCK ,13 ,4 ,1 SOPWITH CAMEL F.1 DTLS ,WINDSOCK ,13 ,6 ,33 SOPWITH CAMEL ,WWI AERO ,0 ,131 ,62 SOPWITH CAMEL 2F.1,SEA TRIALS WWI AERO 0 136 60 SOPWITH CAMEL ,WWI AERO ,0 ,141 ,103 SOPWITH CAMEL 2 SEAT CONVERSION ,WWI AERO ,0 ,141 ,120 "A/C ARCH. WW1" is Aircraft Archive, Aircraft of World War I, Volume 2 "PAM NEWS " is a long defunct magazine which I picked up somewhere long forgotten. "RANDOM THOUGHTS" is the publication of IPMS Canada. "SCALE AC MODELER " is Scale Aircraft Modelling. The other pubs should be self explanatory to members of the list. Eli Geher >From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins >Hi gang, > > Unfortunatly my magazine database has gone south on me, just when Lorna >wants some info :-((. > > What we are after is listings for reviews/articles on the Sopwith Camel >(all scales) in any modelling magazine. Could you also cc it to our >address as well as the list. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:32:16 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: New Images on the Website Message-ID: <199902151831.SAA26672@beryl.sol.co.uk> > Annother moded gallery added today. Some really nice photos of > Franco Poloni's Caproni bomber. Bellissimo Franco. Va bene! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:35:50 EST From: Albatrosdv@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Le nouveau garcon Message-ID: In a message dated 99-02-15 04:55:50 EST, you write: << Secondly, and more importantly, many thanks to Alberto and Pedro for the suggestions for Parisian model shops. I'll try to turn a corner and say "Oh look, there's a model shop, quelle surprise!" >> At the risk of provoking a "necktie party" by making a waaaaay off-topic suggestion to anyone shopping in France: a friend of mine over there sent me the Tamiya F-84G Thunderjet (first-generation jets interest me like WW1 airplanes because in both periods they were trying to find out what worked, aerodynamically, asnd came up with some interesting-looking solutions). Over there, it has a really nice Decals Carpena sheet to do an airplane from each of the six Groupes de Chasse that flew "un Thunderjet francaise," and which is not available from anyone in the U.S. Makes for a very different-looking airplane, particularly with the really nice group insignia they put on the tip tanks. Tom Cleaver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 12:52:03 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Images on the Website Message-ID: <19990215.125347.-917247.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:52:37 -0500 (EST) Allan Wright writes: > Annother moded gallery added today. Some really nice photos of >Franco Poloni's Caproni bomber. Beautiful. Most awesome. Franco, how about some text to go with the pictures? Like who made the model - or if it's scratched; paints used; etc. That is one great model. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 14:00:37 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Images on the Website Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990215140037.006a2e58@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Fantastic work, Franco! Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:39:54 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Things that float... Message-ID: <01BE58E8.AC7ECA40.panz-meador@vsti.com> alas, a check of "the kaiser's pirates" reveals naught, save a pre-war photo of the seeadler + a description that it was painted as a norwegian vessel (carmoe, later hero). phillip -----Original Message----- From: Paul Schwartzkopf [SMTP:PSchwartzkopf@transcrypt.com] Sent: Thursday, February 11, 1999 7:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Things that float... >Why ain't there much around? Because there just ain't much around. >If it's not urgent, I can keep chasing it. That's not necessary, Mick, if there ain't much, there just ain't much!! Besides, if references are hard to come by, nobody should be able to make comments on the colors or profile, right? ;-) You gave me a lot more than I had a week ago. Thanks. I think I may go ahead and get it, since it did look like a fun kit to build, plus it was the last of the great sailing warships to be used in combat, and has a historical value in my collection because of that fact. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:50:30 -0600 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Things that float... Message-ID: >alas, a check of "the kaiser's pirates" reveals naught, save a pre-war >photo of the seeadler + a description that it was painted as a norwegian >vessel (carmoe, later hero). Thanks for taking time to look, Phillip. Too bad, you would think there would be more on it since it was the end of an era. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 15:17:22 -0500 From: Bill Neill To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Sopwith Triplane details Message-ID: <199902151517_MC2-6A90-FDB4@compuserve.com> After a short break brought about by a combination of wedding anniversary and Valentine day, I'm getting into nitty gritty detail on my 48 Triplane. Some things I need help with, please..... There is presumably a fuel filler cap somewhere on the top front cowling. What is it's position, and what's it look like/made of? The Vickers breech padding is confusing me. I got some photos of the replica Triplane at Old Warden, they show a smallish square leather pad. The Eduard instructions indicate a larger 'D" shape leather pad. Which is correct, or are both possible? I can't see any indication of a windshield, is there none? Or is it just not evident on any of the photos I can find? Thanks Bill Neill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 15:23:20 -0500 From: Bill Neill To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Hobby Shop Basillicas, Was: Back on list Message-ID: <199902151523_MC2-6A90-FE46@compuserve.com> In the SF bay area, try ACE Hardware at the uni end of University ave in Berkeley. Not an obvious hobby shop, but in the basement they have a lot of old and hard to find kits at good prices. The staff are hardware store staff, so don't bother asking for anything. just hunt. Bill Neill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 12:51:40 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Albatross DrI Rigging Message-ID: <199902152042.MAA07899@mailhost.fltdyn.com> Well, I'm stumped. The rigging illustration that Eduard included with the kit doesn't seem to make much sense - it shows stays from the a point on the middle wing to the center of the lower wing (which in turn, doesn't even touch the fuselage, but is suspended from the middle wing struts). Or am I mis-interpreting this? It is not exactly clear...maybe they lead into the fuselage? (Heaven knows that Mssr Eduard provides enough small PE "hole re-enforcers", for lack of a better term, all shown to be placed along the fuselage.) The only photo *I* have of this bird is in the original "Air Enthusiast - Fighters A to Z". The photo is slightly larger than a bottlecap - no details to be gleaned from this one. Not even a peep about it in the Squadron Albatross book, and I don't have any Windsocks that cover the type. Could someone please provide some insight into this for a puzzled modeler? Many thanks. Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:32:23 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Images on the Website Message-ID: <36C89267.23DE3824@argonaut.net> Franco: Absolutely incredible BRAVO . . . .BRAVO. . . .BRAVO. . . saludos Alberto Allan Wright wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Annother moded gallery added today. Some really nice photos of > Franco Poloni's Caproni bomber. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:33:14 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Things that float... Message-ID: Phillip, > alas, a check of "the kaiser's pirates" reveals naught, Alas and alack!! But that's pretty much the way it goes. Thanks for doing that anyway. save a pre-war > photo of the seeadler + a description that it was painted as a norwegian > vessel (carmoe, later hero). So I think we'll just have to go with the suitably generic. Thanks, Mick [and Paul] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:29:24 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: New Images on the Website Message-ID: Franco > Annother moded gallery added today. Some really nice photos of > Franco Poloni's Caproni bomber. Fantastic. Now please ( for a poor unfortunate just starting to make one of these ) can you give us a brief desription of how you built it? Shane (what a *great* aircraft) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:37:33 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Albatross DrI Rigging Message-ID: I mentioned something about this subject some time ago when I purchased this kit, but got no further information about rigging from anyone. (It seems there is only the one photo of this craft in existence.) My guess was the wing rigging does go to the middle of the lower wing under the fuselage. Also I remain puzzled about how the ailerons were activated by the pilot. Anybody know? Matt Z. On Mon, 15 Feb 1999, Mark Shanks wrote: > Well, I'm stumped. The rigging illustration that Eduard included with > the kit doesn't seem to make much sense - it shows stays from the > a point on the middle wing to the center of the lower wing (which in > turn, doesn't even touch the fuselage, but is suspended from the > middle wing struts). Or am I mis-interpreting this? It is not exactly > clear...maybe they lead into the fuselage? (Heaven knows that Mssr > Eduard provides enough small PE "hole re-enforcers", for lack of a > better term, all shown to be placed along the fuselage.) > > The only photo *I* have of this bird is in the original "Air > Enthusiast - Fighters A to Z". The photo is slightly larger than a > bottlecap - no details to be gleaned from this one. Not even a > peep about it in the Squadron Albatross book, and I don't have > any Windsocks that cover the type. Could someone please provide some > insight into this for a puzzled modeler? Many thanks. > > Mark > mshanks@fltdyn.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:57:37 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Albatross DrI Rigging Message-ID: Matt, Mark, > I mentioned something about this subject some time ago when I > purchased this kit, but got no further information about rigging from > anyone. (It seems there is only the one photo of this craft in > existence.) My guess was the wing rigging does go to the middle of the > lower wing under the fuselage. Also I remain puzzled about how the > ailerons were activated by the pilot. Anybody know? > The only photos I'm likely to have will be in the Triplanes book by Bowyer?Bower? and will probably be just the one you already have. Regarding ailerons - I don't even recall if they are on all wings. But I'd *guess* that since the lower wing doesn't join the fuselage it's most likely done like the D.V - I emphasise that this is a guess until I look at the photo (then it'll probably still be a guess !!) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:06:16 EST From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Off Topic 'Tweener Request Message-ID: I have some Paul Matt drawings of the Curtiss A-3 Falcon and I am really thinking of putting my head in the noose and scratching this baby; I assume that there is no kit available, though there might be a vac I suppose. Does anybody know of any sources for this puppy? Particularly detail and cockpit photographs would be useful. Thanks in advance, if anybody can reply. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:17:20 EST From: Modelhound@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatross DrI Rigging Message-ID: <49ba3154.36c8ab00@aol.com> In a message dated 2/15/99 2:38:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, mzivich@tardis.svsu.edu writes: << I mentioned something about this subject some time ago when I purchased this kit, but got no further information about rigging from anyone. (It seems there is only the one photo of this craft in existence.) My guess was the wing rigging does go to the middle of the lower wing under the fuselage. Also I remain puzzled about how the ailerons were activated by the pilot. Anybody know? >> I write: I am looking at the book "The Fighting Triplanes" by Evan Hadingham. Here is a nice print of the 'one' photo of this strange bird. To my eyes, and using a ruler to 'extend' the visable rigging lines, the landing and flying wires were parallel X braced both attaching to the center (centre-Brit SP) of the upper and lower wings as well as the lower and upper ends of the interplane struts. These wires passed through the middle wings at the same (or very close to the same) point, somewhat similar to the Sopwith Tripe. The two pairs of interplane struts were conventionally X braced fore and aft. The rear bay of the landing gear struts were also X braced, from the axel to the upper ends of the struts. The ailerons were on both ends of all three main wings, as evidenced by the actuating struts running between the ailerons. I can not see any sign of how these ailerons were activated by the pilot. I will keep looking. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:26:26 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Images on the Website Message-ID: <36C8AD22.DD3529BE@argonaut.net> Hi What kit is it and what scale ? SALUDOS Alberto Shane Weier wrote: > Franco > > > Annother moded gallery added today. Some really nice photos of > > Franco Poloni's Caproni bomber. > > Fantastic. Now please ( for a poor unfortunate just starting to make one of > these ) can you give us a brief desription of how you built it? > > Shane > (what a *great* aircraft) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 15:32:44 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Albatross DrI Rigging Message-ID: <199902152323.PAA11076@mailhost.fltdyn.com> Shane writes: > Regarding ailerons - I don't even recall if they are on all wings. But I'd > *guess* that since the lower wing doesn't join the fuselage it's most likely > done like the D.V - I emphasise that this is a guess until I look at the > photo (then it'll probably still be a guess !!) Yes, there do appear to be ailerons on all wings. They are connected like venetian blinds (well, SORT of!) with what LOOK to be airfoil-section wooden struts something less than 1/2 the width of the main wing struts. Since the middle wings mount directly into the fuselage, it would seem likely (possible, anyone?) that the control linkage went from the stick through the middle wing, and that wing's ailerons acted as the master, with the top and bottom wings' ailerons mechanically slaved to them. Just a guess. This leaves me with eight or more unexplained holes in the fuselage. Eduard doesn't show ALL of the rigging, either. Hmmm - I'll be hitting the Squadron book some more to see what the Albatross engineers thoughts on the subject may have been...... Thanks! Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:40:04 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Images on the Website Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990215184004.0069a998@pop.mindspring.com> Franco: Beautiful model. I am challenged and inspired with my Ilya coming up soon. Marvelous work. Please tell us all about it. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:05:52 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Albatross DrI Rigging Message-ID: <199902151906_MC2-6A99-1734@compuserve.com> Mark, Albatros DRI Had to go back to 1987, WINDSOCK Vol 3, No.4, Winter, Also WINDSOCK Plans # 21, which shows two photos and has 1/72 and 1/48 scale drawings. Here's what I can see. From the top of the outer struts, the wire goes through the wing and locates in the gap between the lower wing and fuselage. That is for both struts per the 2 photos. From the top of the cabanes, the wire goes into the middle wing at the same location as the other wire but when it comes out on the bottom on the wing, it changes angle and goes to the bottom of the outer wing struts. The wire from the nose goes to the forward outer strut location at the middle wing. There is an excellent shot of the ailerons and per Ray Rimell "All three wings were fitted with ailerons which were connected with vertical steel struts and operated through control rods passing through the centre wing." I hope this helps. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 2/3/99 ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1445 **********************