WWI Digest 1443 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Blow by Blow Glencoe by John & Allison Cyganowski 2) Re: Ltn Lenz and J22 by John & Allison Cyganowski 3) by fedders 4) Nieuport 17 squadron identity - by Mike Fletcher 5) Re: by Alberto Rada 6) Re: Atelier Noix, was Schneider Cup Racers by Alberto Rada 7) Eduard Hanriot HD1 by bucky@ptdprolog.net 8) Re: Atelier Noix, was Schneider Cup Racers by Mike Fletcher 9) VCR Alert ..THE BLUE MAX by Bob Pearson 10) Winter OTF Hits the Mail! :-) by "Sharon Henderson" 11) Re: Nieuport 17 squadron identity - by Fernando Lamas 12) Re: Le nouveau garcon by "Sandy Adam" 13) Re: Passchendaele Conv. by "Sandy Adam" 14) 425 Questions by "Steven M. Perry" 15) Re: 425 Questions by "Brad Gossen" 16) Re: 425 Questions by "Steven M. Perry" 17) Re: Le nouveau garcon by Pedro e Francisca Soares 18) Re: Atelier Noix, was Schneider Cup Racers by Pedro e Francisca Soares 19) Re: Atelier Noix, was Schneider Cup Racers by Alberto Rada 20) Re: Le nouveau garcon by Alberto Rada 21) Re: 425 Questions by Mike Dicianna 22) Re: by SMS 23) Back on list by "richard eaton" 24) Hobby Shop Basillicas, Was: Back on list by John & Allison Cyganowski ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 13:53:49 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Blow by Blow Glencoe Message-ID: <36C5CA3D.604B@worldnet.att.net> I will post photos when I get it done. It sounds bad, but really I don't think there is anybody on this list that couldn't do it. Check out Paul Howard's Models on the Web page. I wouldn't have even attempted this if I hadn't seen it done with my own eyes. Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 13:55:42 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ltn Lenz and J22 Message-ID: <36C5CAAE.5C6B@worldnet.att.net> Rick Milas wrote: > > Does anyone know the fuselage color on the SSW DIV of Ltn Lenz? I > believe the back of the Toko box shows it as green. Is this correct or is > it just based on the assumption that because he flew green Albatros this > must also be the color for the SSW? BTW I'm only assuming he flew a green > Albatros DV because this is the color in the Squadron publication (they > also show Ltn Raben's DrI as blue and white and did not correct this in > their reprint). And as long as I'm on Ltn Lenz, does any one have info on > the color and markings of his Albatros DIII? The Squadron publication has > only a b&w photo of it. Thanks much! > Rick Milas Gee, the Albatros in action book has his D.III in the color profile section. It too is green. Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 15:39:04 -0600 (CST) From: fedders To: models Message-ID: Has anyone paid the (gasp) $99.99 for the CopperState HB 12? If so, how is the kit?? peter ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 16:46:45 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Nieuport 17 squadron identity - Message-ID: <36C61CF5.2D58A1AA@mars.ark.com> Can anyone tell me which squadrons used a hedgehog as a mascot? A visitor to my site sent me this picture and asked if I could tell him anything more about it. http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/NN.jpg He figured the marking was a hedghog, but I can't decide what it looks like -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 20:46:42 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Message-ID: <36C61CF2.6FFA41A2@argonaut.net> Hi Peter I like too much this model , and I am very lousy on vacforms, first ones came out of production by Friday, so, mine is due to arrive next week, I'll send a review to the list SALUDOS Alberto fedders wrote: > Has anyone paid the (gasp) $99.99 for the CopperState HB 12? If so, how > is the kit?? > > peter ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 20:47:16 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Atelier Noix, was Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <36C61D14.9D89FD9F@argonaut.net> Where can you get them ? SALUDOS Alberto Mike Fletcher wrote: > I got the 10 and it is quite good - unfortunatly it reflects and Italian > 10, which had some differences that are going to be hard to correct. > Kicking myself that I didn't get the 11 as well. > > -- > Mike Fletcher ___ ., > mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; > mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" > icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 20:02:25 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Eduard Hanriot HD1 Message-ID: <36C620A1.1F8388D0@ptdprolog.net> Picked up my Hanriot today from Barry. Really nice kit...very similar in quality to the Albatros D-III. I actually put this one up against the Datafile drawings(something I'm usually loathe to do) and it matches up pretty good. Lower wing and fuselage are a nice fit. The top wing loooks to be a little too long, but that's ok w/me. My only disappointment with the kit is that it comes with the fuselage halves being solid, all the way back to the rudder. All the pictures I've seen have the rear portion not covered by fabric, in an exposed condition. Pretty small thing tomess up on the kit. I wonder why? Anyway there are markings for Willy Coppens' craft and an Italian one from the 78 Squadriglia. There is also an extra machine gun and some other small parts that I suspect might be used for other variations. All in all, a good buy. I've been waiting for an injected kit of this airplane ever since I started making the old Aurora kits in the early sixties. I'm real happy I got 2 of them....now for some research, paint buying, etc. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 17:04:39 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Atelier Noix, was Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <36C62127.DF6B978F@mars.ark.com> I got mine eons ago from one of the mail order comapnies for an insane amount ($60 cdn iirc) ebay may have them from time to time. I have also posted a couple of pictures of my N.11 under construction... http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/RevellN11_1.jpg http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/RevellN11_2.jpg -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 18:05:14 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list , Subject: VCR Alert ..THE BLUE MAX Message-ID: <199902140205.SAA22021@spare.rapidnet.net> Greetings all, For those able to get the HISTORY CHANNEL in Canada, they will be showing THE BLUE MAX on Friday the 19th .. not sure of the time though. Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 aviation page at http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 21:42:14 -0500 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Winter OTF Hits the Mail! :-) Message-ID: <9902132142.AA14535@ft.sumter> 'Evening, gents & ladies! I come bearing wonderful news!! The Winter 1998 issue of Over the Front has hit the stands! And it's a great one for we model builders, all thanks to our own Bob "Legs" Pearson! :-) His article about No. 3 Wing, RNAS is absolutely wonderful (and we all know how unbiased I am....), and is followed by a handy, heavily illustrated discussion of the aircraft used by that squadron, with Bob's usual wonderful profiles. The color cover has a wonderful painting of a Sopwith 1-1/2 Strutter covering the flight of a bomber, illustrating the above squadron's mission against the Mauser Works in October of 1916; the back cover has full-color versions of Bob's profiles. There are also articles about Frank Luke, Eugene Barksdale, and Charles Gatto; there's a retrospective about the League Seminar in Arizona. It's a fine issue! And I'm not even gonna gloat that I seem to have gotten mine before all the other Leaguers I know, unlike last time.... :-) Your "ace" reporter, Sharon :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 00:52:48 -0800 From: Fernando Lamas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 squadron identity - Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990214005248.00818bb0@olympus.net> At 07:46 PM 2/13/99 -0500, you wrote: >Can anyone tell me which squadrons used a hedgehog as a mascot? >A visitor to my site sent me this picture and asked if I could tell him >anything more about it. >http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/NN.jpg >He figured the marking was a hedghog, but I can't decide what it looks >like >-- >Mike Fletcher SOP. 237 had a striped hedgehog logo and N. 57 had a running boar logo. Neither one looks anything like the partially seen logo in the photo. Fernando Lamas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:37:00 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Le nouveau garcon Message-ID: <199902141036.KAA27608@beryl.sol.co.uk> Cher Yves I am bringing the family for a short break to Paris next weekend. (Ryanair are doing silly prices for flights from Glasgow, so we're going to take the kids to Eurodisney etc) Unfortunately, time will be short and I won't be able to get any "time off" for serious modeling acitivities but wonder if I might "stumble" over a model shop anywhere? We're staying near the Porte d'Orleans but I can't think I've ever seen a model shop in central Paris - apart from Toy Department in Galleries Lafayette etc. Is there any place that you can recommend? (I may not be able to visit it anyway, but would hate to get back and find I'd missed something by a few metres!) Thanks in advance Sandy > > Dear Sandy, > Let me know if you come to France. I live exactly at Louviers, 12 miles > from Evreux. The only thing connected with WW1 aviation in this region > is a small château where Guynemer lived when he was a child. > Yves ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:47:32 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Passchendaele Conv. Message-ID: <199902141046.KAA27738@beryl.sol.co.uk> > OK, who's building a Passchendaele D.II conversion? I've got one on the workbench but I'm not sure when it will progress. I've got six Eduard Alb fuselages all wood-painted inside - the intention is to have 1) a D.III (Lt Noth green with yellow polka dots, offset radiator), 2) an early central-rad D.III (Voss), 3) a D.II (Passch wings - haven't decided markings yet), 4) a W4 (Tom's vac wings, floats etc - lozenge finish), 5) a DV (not decided markings yet) and 6) the Dr1 (HiTech wings). Might do a DVa as well! Unfortunately these are due to be completed after the four Camels which are now getting nearer completion. This intention may also be dislocated though by the Eduard Pfalz D.III, Blue Max D.IIIa, BM Pfalz D.XII, Tom's Pfalz D.VIII and CSM Pfalz Dr.1 (just arrived). Some of these are underway already. You can probably tell that I like building in series (Sopwiths etc). Sandy I must not start anything else, I must not start anything else, I must not start anything else, I must not.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 08:32:20 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: 425 Questions Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990214083220.0068b498@pop.mindspring.com> Actually 2 questions about 425/17. Did 425/17 have wing tip skids? Did 425/17 have white wheel covers? Finished the BrB's office and got the fuselage closed and lower wing mounted last night. BTW: Computer now clean. Sorry if I caused anyone problems sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 09:20:19 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: 425 Questions Message-ID: <199902141422.JAA09222@smtp2.globalserve.net> Steve According to Ray Rimell's illustrations, in AE Ferko's 'Richthofen', 425/17 did have tip skids and always sported red wheel covers. Rimell shows profiles of three versions of 425/17 none have white wheel covers, all show skids. Brad BigglesRFC@globalserve.net ---------- > From: Steven M. Perry > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: 425 Questions > Date: Sunday, February 14, 1999 8:39 AM > > Actually 2 questions about 425/17. > > Did 425/17 have wing tip skids? > Did 425/17 have white wheel covers? > > Finished the BrB's office and got the fuselage closed and lower wing > mounted last night. > > BTW: Computer now clean. Sorry if I caused anyone problems > sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 09:24:03 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 425 Questions Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990214092403.0068e010@pop.mindspring.com> At 09:21 AM 2/14/99 -0500, you wrote: >Steve > According to Ray Rimell's illustrations, in AE Ferko's 'Richthofen', >425/17 did have tip skids and always sported red wheel covers. Rimell shows >profiles of three versions of 425/17 none have white wheel covers, all show >skids. > >Brad >BigglesRFC@globalserve.net Thanks Brad. That works for me. I'll scratch the tip skids at the same time I make a new tailskid to replace the one I just snapped off & lost ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:38:11 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Le nouveau garcon Message-ID: <36C6DFD2.FD500AAC@mail.telepac.pt> Sandy Adam wrote: > > We're staying near the Porte d'Orleans but I can't think I've ever seen a > model shop in central Paris - apart from Toy Department in Galleries > Lafayette etc. > Is there any place that you can recommend? > (I may not be able to visit it anyway, but would hate to get back and find > I'd missed something by a few metres!) > > Thanks in advance > Sandy > > Sandy There's one at the end of Boulevard St. Michel IIRC. Should be in the yelow pages. Quite pricey though. HTH Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:40:27 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Atelier Noix, was Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <36C6E05B.11C13098@mail.telepac.pt> > > I have also posted a couple of pictures of my N.11 under construction... > http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/RevellN11_1.jpg > http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/RevellN11_2.jpg > -- > Looking great Mike. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:51:35 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Atelier Noix, was Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <36C6E2F7.987953E8@argonaut.net> Hi Mike I got last year from Hannants at a gross discount, the Bristol Scout and the Ansaldo A.1 Balilla, although not my scale, they certainly are included in the best ever kits list. SALUDOS Alberto Mike Fletcher wrote: > I got mine eons ago from one of the mail order comapnies for an insane > amount ($60 cdn iirc) > ebay may have them from time to time. > > I have also posted a couple of pictures of my N.11 under construction... > http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/RevellN11_1.jpg > http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/RevellN11_2.jpg > -- > Mike Fletcher ___ ., > mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; > mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" > icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 11:00:05 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Le nouveau garcon Message-ID: <36C6E4F5.6D19D2EF@argonaut.net> Hi Sandy Just by chance this was posted today in the warships list ( SMML) . . . . . . . . EOL' (1/700 models) 70, boulevard Saint-Germain 75005 PARIS Phone : 01 43 54 01 43 Metro : Maubert-Mutualite (closest) or Cluny The shop is very easy to find (actually there are three next to other: R/C models, die-cast and plastic models) and has large stocks of plastic kits although the ship models are under-represented. They stock the usual 1/700 plastic ranges. Prices can be a little expensive (with the odd bargain once a century) and the staff sometimes behave as if they were running a Polish food store in 1981. Central Train (1/700 models) 81, rue de Reaumur 75002 PARIS Phone : 01 42 36 70 37 Metro : Sentier or Reaumur-Sebastopol This shop is easy to find also. Although they concentrate on trains, they have large-scale naval models and some 1/700 plastic kits right at the back of the shop. Prices tend to be reasonable and the staff is relatively friendly. Fernac (1/700 models) 17, rue de Maintenotte 75017 PARIS Metro : Etoile Another easy to find shop. Again, also concentrate on trains but have quite a few 1/700 models (mainly Revell). Prices are variable : you can find some things at good prices while others are expensive. They also do mail order and their stocks are often renewed so it's probably worth a visit. Librairie du Musee de la Marine (1/1250 models and books) Palais de Chaillot 17, place du Trocadero 75016 PARIS Open daily _except_ Tuesdays from 10h to 18h Metro : Trocadero This is located at the entrance of the Naval Museum (in the right wing of the Palais de Chaillot when you are facing the Eiffel tower). A very good naval bookshop with good prices (proceeds go to the museum so that's two good reasons to buy from them). Apart from the books, they have a large selection of photographs and postcards. Also worth checking out are sets of affordable plans made by the Friends of the Naval Museum Association, these are usually relatively large (1/100 to 1/200) and cover some of the ship models on display in the museum itself. They also sell a large range of 1/1200 metal models (the only place in Paris that does, to my knowledge). Very much recommended. You can always visit the museum while you're there if you have the time. Librairie Maritime et D'Outre Mer (books) 17, rue Jacob 75006 PARIS Phone : 01 46 33 47 48 Metro : Odeon Not very easy to find (it's in a little side street). This has a large selection of naval books although the prices of imported books tend to be very high, up to 30% more than the Naval Museum bookstore in some cases (note that the price of French books is fixed so you'll find pretty much the same, within 5%, everywhere). Definitely a second choice after the Naval Museum bookstore. Hope you and family enjoy a lot SALUDOS Alberto Sandy Adam wrote: > Cher Yves > I am bringing the family for a short break to Paris next weekend. (Ryanair > are doing silly prices for flights from Glasgow, so we're going to take the > kids to Eurodisney etc) > Unfortunately, time will be short and I won't be able to get any "time off" > for serious modeling acitivities but wonder if I might "stumble" over a > model shop anywhere? > > We're staying near the Porte d'Orleans but I can't think I've ever seen a > model shop in central Paris - apart from Toy Department in Galleries > Lafayette etc. > Is there any place that you can recommend? > (I may not be able to visit it anyway, but would hate to get back and find > I'd missed something by a few metres!) > > Thanks in advance > Sandy > > > > > Dear Sandy, > > Let me know if you come to France. I live exactly at Louviers, 12 miles > > from Evreux. The only thing connected with WW1 aviation in this region > > is a small château where Guynemer lived when he was a child. > > Yves ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 07:16:28 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 425 Questions Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19990214071628.006bdf38@dnc.net> At 08:39 AM 2/14/99 -0500, you wrote: >Actually 2 questions about 425/17. > >Did 425/17 have wing tip skids? >Did 425/17 have white wheel covers? > >Yes, the one clear photo in the Flying Circus Special clearly shows the standard tip skids. No, wheel covers appear to be painted in a dark color, most likely red. All profiles/pictures I have been looking at show them as red. Standard White Rudder though.... Mikedc "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 11:06:54 -0600 From: SMS To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Message-ID: <36C702A7.A28D157C@netins.net> fedders wrote: > Has anyone paid the (gasp) $99.99 for the CopperState HB 12? If so, how > is the kit?? > > peter Well, I got a 20% discount for being a previous customer and ordering directly. The kit is well-molded resin body. Compared to the Datafile, wings are exactly on. There are three side views in the datafile and parts are provided for the two shorter versions. The fuselage is solid aft and split forward. Two upper fuselage castings are provided to make either the Mercedes or Daimler engined version. The rounded stabilizer is provided. Elevator castings are in white metal. The standard CSM Mercedes engine is provided. There are two other pouches of cast metal including forward nacelle, seats, prop, gun ring, two types of radiators, two exhausts (a left and a right, depending on engine), all struts. There is a full sheet of photo-etch covering multiple fiddly bits including radiator supports, control horns, cockpit parts, floor boards, machine gun jackets, gun ring, inspection hatches, etc. The CSM gauge set with photo-etch bezels and transparency gauge faces. Three sheets of naval lozenge and markings for two aircraft are included. There are about 10-12 pages of markings drawings, detail pics, three views, a little history, and last, maybe least, a certificate to get a hand carved propeller by Martin Digmann for only $12.50 plus $2.50 shipping. Overall, with comparisons to the datafile, this makes a very accurate version of the Brandenberg W.12, nos. 1011-1016 and nos. 1395-1414. Some of the extra bits may fit in very nicely with that Sierra vacform I've got in the cupboard. Steve S. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 11:06:50 -0600 From: "richard eaton" To: Subject: Back on list Message-ID: <199902141707.LAA14974@sierra.onr.com> Just resubbed after a few days visit (interviewing) in the Bay area of California. Happily my hotel was just around the corner from San Antonio Hobbies in Palo Alto. Got a chance to pop in an look around. What a supermarket! Interesting large collection of vacs and a ton of Merlin kits. Sierra scale, Wings 48/72, Rareplanes etc. The kind of variety one is used to seeing at Rosemont/Rollmodels/ Hannants right there in the styrene. Nice display of out of print kits. Passed on the Merlins but saw quite a few kits I was not aware that they made. Stop by there if you are in the area. Recommended, but I would cut up your credit card before interring. Regards, Richard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:05:22 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Hobby Shop Basillicas, Was: Back on list Message-ID: <36C70252.349D@worldnet.att.net> richard eaton wrote: > > Just resubbed after a few days visit (interviewing) in the > Bay area of California. Happily my hotel was just around the > corner from San Antonio Hobbies in Palo Alto. Welcome Back Rich, I have to agree about San Antonio. I get to the bay area and I always try to find time to make the pilgrimage. It is the most complete and biggest hobby shop I have seen. Another good one is Venture Hobbies in the Chicago area (a little west). Not quite the selection of San Antonio, but there isn't much these guys don't have. No bargins here though: List Price + Tax, thank you for your patronage. The best all around shop in New England that I have seen is Spare Time in Marlborough. Nice selection of models, books & Mags, but not much Vac & Resin. How about it Guys & Gals? Any other Hobby Heavens we should visit? Cyg. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1443 **********************