WWI Digest 1442 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: SPAD 16 by Matthew Zivich 2) Re: Atelier Noix by Matthew E Bittner 3) RE: Worm by "John C Glaser" 4) RE: SPAD 16 by "John C Glaser" 5) Re: Sierra Scale Models by SMS 6) Windsock Vol 15 #1 by John & Allison Cyganowski 7) Help by David Kinnear 8) Re: Atelier Noix, was Schneider Cup Racers by Mike Fletcher 9) Re: Help by David Kinnear 10) Pics of "fragment from a German airplane" by Zulis@aol.com 11) Re: Help by "Lee J Mensinger" 12) Re: Pics of "fragment from a German airplane" by Ernest Thomas 13) Re: Help by Bill Bacon 14) Re: Windsock Vol 15 #1 by Dennis Ugulano 15) RE: Pics of "fragment from a German airplane" by Shane Weier 16) Re: Pics of "fragment from a German airplane" by Ernest Thomas 17) Re: INSTRUMENTS by "David R.L. Laws" 18) Re: INSTRUMENTS by Ernest Thomas 19) Unsub. by Pedro e Francisca Soares 20) Re: INSTRUMENTS by "David R.L. Laws" 21) Re: Windsock Vol 15 #1 by John & Allison Cyganowski 22) Passchendaele Conv. was: Windsock Vol 15 #1 by "Steven M. Perry" 23) Blow by Blow Glencoe by John & Allison Cyganowski 24) Re: Blow by Blow Glencoe by Matthew E Bittner 25) Re: Blow by Blow Glencoe by Dennis Ugulano 26) Re: Ltn Lenz and J22 by Rick Milas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:00:29 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: SPAD 16 Message-ID: Matt B. The Spad 16 at Wright Pat. is hanging from the ceiling like the Alb. DVa at the NASM. You can't see anything on it's topside. If it's any help, there are scale diagrams of the 11 & 16 in the frequently mentioned reprint edition of the old model airplane news publication. I used this softcovered book for my Spad 16 conversion attempt. Matt Z. On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Matthew E Bittner wrote: > Ok. I'm still trying to track down cockpit info for the SPAD 11. What > I'm wondering is if anyone has taken pictures - or know where there are > pictures available - of the USAF Museum's original SPAD 16. Since it and > the 11 were very close, I would like to use cockpit shots of this to > help. > > Anybody traveling there soon that could take pictures? > > > Matt Bittner > > nb: One Off-Topic (il-lusions of grandeur) and Flashback Strutter > nu: SPAD 11 > nr: About to finish _Storks_ > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:48:34 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Atelier Noix Message-ID: <19990212.135009.-844003.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:37:29 -0500 (EST) Alberto Rada writes: >Can you still obtain them ? Not that I know of. I may be able to track a few down through the "secondary market", but be prepared to pay. They are expensive - but worth it. As an example, you know how everyone raves about the Skybirds and how they're worth in upwards of US$30? Well, these are better than Skybirds (and yes, I have seen Skybirds) except in one area - cockpit. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:01:53 -0600 From: "John C Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Worm Message-ID: <000201be56ca$eb13abb0$f011820a@johng-home> I would strongly suggest that everyone who opened Happy visit the site Paul references BEFORE restarting their computer. For those of us using McAfee, the virus definition files to scrub Happy are listed for download. For those who aren't McAfee users, there is a description of the files involved so you can find 'em & kill 'em. The one you want to be sure to remove is SKA.dll. I also zapped SKA.exe & WSOCK32.ska and checked my registry for the offending entry mentioned on the web page. - John PS: I have a pathological hatred of viruses and those who propagate them! -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Schwartzkopf Sent: Friday, February 12, 1999 7:58 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Worm This message is not to cause alarm, but just awareness. One of the list postings I received overnight had a copy of the "happy99.exe" e-mail worm as an attached file. Don't run this if you get it--just delete the message and file. It hasn't been determined if it does actual damage to Windows based PC's, but it does attach itself to e-mail in order to replicate. I sent the member a note about receiving it. Didn't want it running rampant on the list. If you want to check me out, see: http://beta.nai.com/public/datafiles/valerts/vinfo/w32ska.htm Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:11:07 -0600 From: "John C Glaser" To: Subject: RE: SPAD 16 Message-ID: <000301be56cc$351af9b0$f011820a@johng-home> Matt: I just pulled the oft-scorned Model Airplane News Scale Aircraft Drawings book off my shelf. It includes SPAD XVI drawings, including some panels, by William Wylam. I'd be happy to copy them and forward to you on Monday. Please reply with your snail-mail if interested. - John -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew E Bittner Sent: Friday, February 12, 1999 5:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: SPAD 16 Ok. I'm still trying to track down cockpit info for the SPAD 11. What I'm wondering is if anyone has taken pictures - or know where there are pictures available - of the USAF Museum's original SPAD 16. Since it and the 11 were very close, I would like to use cockpit shots of this to help. Anybody traveling there soon that could take pictures? Matt Bittner nb: One Off-Topic (il-lusions of grandeur) and Flashback Strutter nu: SPAD 11 nr: About to finish _Storks_ ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:47:40 -0600 From: SMS To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sierra Scale Models Message-ID: <36C4A17A.E09C51F8@netins.net> Speaking of Sierra Scale Models: I sent off a check over a year ago for a Gotha and a Rumpler C.IV. Now I understood that there were complications in Bob Norgren's life, but does anyone know if these will ever be produced? Steve S. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:48:20 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Windsock Vol 15 #1 Message-ID: <36C4BDC4.5187@worldnet.att.net> Hey does anybody have this one yet? I just heard that the Passchendaele D.II is reviewed in there. What was said? Dying to Know!!! Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:13:14 -0800 From: David Kinnear To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Help Message-ID: <199902130112.RAA05902@danube.cisco.com> Could someone please reply to this mail offlist. Just a simple hello. I believe that I have been taken off the list. By mistake, I hope. Thanks David 'It's not a question of playing your best move, it's a question of playing the move that's most unpleasant for your opponent.' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:21:28 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Atelier Noix, was Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <36C4D398.82ACCA4@mars.ark.com> I got the 10 and it is quite good - unfortunatly it reflects and Italian 10, which had some differences that are going to be hard to correct. Kicking myself that I didn't get the 11 as well. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:25:46 -0800 From: David Kinnear To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Help Message-ID: <199902130125.RAA06325@danube.cisco.com> Fernando has answered. Thanks if you have answered and I have'nt replied. I'll try and resubscribe. David 'It's not a question of playing your best move, it's a question of playing the move that's most unpleasant for your opponent.' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:53:42 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Pics of "fragment from a German airplane" Message-ID: <49b14e62.36c4db26@aol.com> For the detail-oriented among us, someone is selling a large wooden chunk of a German airplane, with photos at the following two urls: http://classics.nu/air.html http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=66367402 text: "Now THIS is unusual. It reads "Fragment from a German Aeroplane" and it dates from WW1. A metal tag on front reads "Fragment from a German Aeroplane". On back there is a paper label that reads, "Fragment from a German Aeroplane - Authenticity Guaranteed by the Lord Roberts Memorial Workshops by arrangement with the Royal Flying Corp. Proceeds to be devoted between the Royal Flying Corp Hospital and the Lord roberts Memorial Workshops. Mounted by disabled soldiers & sailors at the Lord Roberts Memorial Workshop, London". Condition is very good. " I wont even speculate what this thing is, but I am certain there are two dozen people on this list who will know immediately. Regards, Dave Zulis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:57:58 -0600 From: "Lee J Mensinger" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, dkinnear@cisco.com Subject: Re: Help Message-ID: <36C4DC26.26EFA7A0@wireweb.net> David, got the massage so you are coming in very nicely. Sent to the list and direct. Lee David Kinnear wrote: > Could someone please reply to this mail offlist. Just a simple hello. I believe that I have been taken off the list. By mistake, I hope. > > Thanks > > David > > 'It's not a question of playing your best move, it's a question of playing the move that's most unpleasant for your opponent.' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:08:46 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pics of "fragment from a German airplane" Message-ID: <36C4DEAE.60F0@bellsouth.net> Zulis@aol.com wrote: > I wont even speculate what this thing is, but I am certain there are two dozen > people on this list who will know immediately. > Looks like some some sort of grenade or flare rack/holder. But this could be one of those times when I'm wrong. E. > Regards, > > Dave Zulis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:21:04 -0600 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Help Message-ID: <36C4E190.6C719726@netjava.net> David, Read you loud and clear here in the Panhandle of Texas Cheers, Bill B. David Kinnear wrote: > Could someone please reply to this mail offlist. Just a simple hello. I believe that I have been taken off the list. By mistake, I hope. > > Thanks > > David > > 'It's not a question of playing your best move, it's a question of playing the move that's most unpleasant for your opponent.' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:42:54 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Windsock Vol 15 #1 Message-ID: <199902122143_MC2-6A4F-EDAD@compuserve.com> Cyg, I have it. Arrived 2 days ago. Passchendaele Converts Eduard D.III to earlier D.II version. Detailed instruction colour sketches by Dan Abbott of Boelcke's and Richthofens machines beautifully printed transfer sheet, two styles rubber tyres one piece upper wing lower wing panels, wheel covers, radiator header tank pair of windhoff ear rads. well detailed and moulded. He says it is well thought out and professionally produced. Promise of a complete 1/48 resin kit for a Halberstadt D-Type as their follow-up release. $16.00 Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 2/3/99 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 14:11:13 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Pics of "fragment from a German airplane" Message-ID: Ernest, dave, > > I wont even speculate what this thing is, but I am certain > there are two dozen people on this list who will know immediately. > > > Looks like some some sort of grenade or flare rack/holder. But this > could be one of those times when I'm wrong. I wouldn't be surprised. The "fragment" is only the bit in the middle, the rest is a mounting plaque. Seller says that the "fragment" is 13" by 2" which makes Ernests surmise quite possible Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 23:02:00 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Pics of "fragment from a German airplane" Message-ID: <36C50748.1D22@bellsouth.net> Shane Weier wrote: > I wouldn't be surprised. The "fragment" is only the bit in the middle, the > rest is a mounting plaque. Seller says that the "fragment" is 13" by 2" > which makes Ernests surmise quite possible So do I win something? /%] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:15:31 +1000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: INSTRUMENTS Message-ID: <36C2593E.50C9@webtime.com.au> Ernest A root canal !!! - Hell, I was only joking ! Next they'll be calling you Der Weißer Engel ! ( Dr. Josef Mengler ) Much appreciated - Snail is David R.L. Laws Level 7 Inns of Court 107 North Quay, Brisbane Queensland AUSTRALIA 4000 Many thanks to everyone for their accumulated knowledge and help on this topic david ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 23:34:11 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: INSTRUMENTS Message-ID: <36C50ED3.21FF@bellsouth.net> David R.L. Laws wrote: > Much appreciated - > > Snail is > David R.L. Laws... (Big snip) Crimony!!! I'm gonna need a 8x10 envelope just so I'll have room to write that address on. :) E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 10:18:35 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: WW1 modeling list Subject: Unsub. Message-ID: <36C5517B.7D27CEC@mail.telepac.pt> Hi Gang, as of tomorrow I'll be unsubscribing for a week, since I'm going to have lunch with Uncle Sniffy next Wednesday and it takes a while for me to get to Leicester Square. :-) I'll be proudly wearing my Badge (Thanks again John) for the first time for an "official" occasion :-). Have fun and see you all in a week Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 21:26:20 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: INSTRUMENTS Message-ID: <36C5EDFC.75CF@webtime.com.au> Ernest Thomas wrote: > Crimony!!! I'm gonna need a 8x10 envelope just so I'll have room to > write that address on. :) > > E. Aww gee, ya'll could just write small D ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 06:08:31 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Windsock Vol 15 #1 Message-ID: <36C55D2F.5D7C@worldnet.att.net> Thanks Dennis, I am going to try to pick up a copy. Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 06:41:14 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Passchendaele Conv. was: Windsock Vol 15 #1 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990213064114.00b7fd70@pop.mindspring.com> At 06:26 AM 2/13/99 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks Dennis, > >I am going to try to pick up a copy. > >Cyg. > John: Nice review, though a little understated as to the quality :-) OK, who's building a Passchendaele D.II conversion? I'm doing mine with the Eduard Early D.III fuselage as 491/16 because it uses the ear radiators. RK has threatened a D.I and raved about John's Glencoe fuselage. John, tell us more. Anyone else? NMWTK (Nosy modelers want to know) sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 07:58:47 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Blow by Blow Glencoe Message-ID: <36C576BB.3D3D@worldnet.att.net> Steven M. Perry wrote: > > At 06:26 AM 2/13/99 -0500, you wrote: > >Thanks Dennis, > > > >I am going to try to pick up a copy. > > > >Cyg. > > > John: > Nice review, though a little understated as to the quality :-) > > OK, who's building a Passchendaele D.II conversion? I'm doing mine with the > Eduard Early D.III fuselage as 491/16 because it uses the ear radiators. RK > has threatened a D.I and raved about John's Glencoe fuselage. John, tell us > more. Well, it is difficult for me to support more than one project at a time, so I am sort of stuck with the Albatros. The good news is that the Halberstadt is moving forward again. Albatros: I started using the Glencoe because it was the only thing available. Really, I would recommend the Eduard. The Glencoe can be built but the only reason to try would be frugality (make that cheapness) or Ego. Nobody here has an Ego right? ;-) With the D.II conversion set I only needed to deal with the Glencoe fuselage and not the wings which is some help. Once I got the interior done (I partially scratched mine and used the DV after market brass set) I put the fuselage halves together. Using the shimming method described in our instructions the fuselage squared up and was now true. If you don't use the shims, the cross section will be like a "U" with the sides collapsing inward. Now the fuselage forward decking. The problem? It doesn't even remotely want to fit. I carefully removed the inside gusset (?) on the decking and all the reinforcing around the gun and engine ports. This made the decking very flimsy indeed. I then very carefully used a flat file on the fuselage around the cockpit area and repeatedly fit the decking in this area. The object was to get the profile correct, and to worry about gaps later. I then tacked the rear of the decking to the fuselage with CA and let it dry. My decking was warped or bent to port. Once dry, I forced the decking into place and tacked it with CA. When I say "forced" I mean it. The plastic showed craze marks around the cockpit coaming and in other areas caused by forcing out the left hand bow. Satisfied by the profile, I slathered the seams and gaps with CA and sanded them smooth. You have to be careful though as the decking is fragile and thin. I then fit the nose piece and filled in those gaps with CA and finished up with a little white putty. It starts to resemble an Albatros at this point. Don't get sucked in by this false hope! Now the starboard side is bowed while the port side is flat. You need to sand the starboard side flat to match the port side. The problem? It turns out that to get it flat you need to nearly sand through the side of the fuselage. Unless you do this, the fuselage is asymmetric and this problem will return to cause issues with the cabane struts and windhoff radiator mounting. The bad news is that you can almost get the fuselage flat, but not quite. Now all you have to do is assemble the horizontal stabilizer to the fuselage! The problem? Yep, it doesn't want to fit either. At this point I got arrogant (read this as stupid) and decided to put ribbing on the stabilizer with evergreeen strips. Okay it looks pretty good but where is that Eduard? You really have no hope of getting the horizontal stabilizer to fit. The best you can hope for is to get it tacked into the correct position. This requires lots of filing on the stabilizer. You now need to find the line of thrust and make sure your stabilizer is aligned with it. Once tacked into position with CA I filled the massive gaps with white putty. When it was dry, I went over the gaps with CA and then sanded everything out. It looked pretty good. Look, quit right here. Go buy the Eduard. The insidious thing about the Glencoe is that with a lot of work you can get it looking pretty good, good enough to continue. What happens is that the compromises build up during all of this and final assembly is really tough. You have to do things that don't look right by themselves to create an overall effect that fools the viewers eye into thinking things are great. Mine is nearly done and it does look good to me. I am undecided if I will finish it or pay some statuesque babe to walk on my bare chest in her high heels. Either experiance will be just about as painful. Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 08:02:36 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Blow by Blow Glencoe Message-ID: <19990213.080800.-822437.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 08:16:45 -0500 (EST) John & Allison Cyganowski writes: >Albatros: I started using the Glencoe because it was the only thing >available. Really, I would recommend the Eduard. The Glencoe can be >built but the only reason to try would be frugality (make that >cheapness) or Ego. Nobody here has an Ego right? ;-) So, going through all that, anybody want two Glencoe D.III's? At least the decals are decent. Since I'm thinning my Braille collection... :-) Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 12:22:55 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Blow by Blow Glencoe Message-ID: <199902131223_MC2-6A5F-D149@compuserve.com> Cyg' After reading you blow by blow of the Glenco Albatros I no longer have any fear of a root canal. I saw that kit a few years ago and tried to dry fit the parts. Notice I used the word 'tried' as they only came close to fitting. Well, they were in the same box anyway. :-) I wish you well in what ever decision you make. May the force be with you. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 2/3/99 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 11:38:23 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Milas To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Ltn Lenz and J22 Message-ID: Does anyone know the fuselage color on the SSW DIV of Ltn Lenz? I believe the back of the Toko box shows it as green. Is this correct or is it just based on the assumption that because he flew green Albatros this must also be the color for the SSW? BTW I'm only assuming he flew a green Albatros DV because this is the color in the Squadron publication (they also show Ltn Raben's DrI as blue and white and did not correct this in their reprint). And as long as I'm on Ltn Lenz, does any one have info on the color and markings of his Albatros DIII? The Squadron publication has only a b&w photo of it. Thanks much! Rick Milas ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1442 **********************