WWI Digest 1441 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Schneider Cup Racers by David & Carol Fletcher 2) Re: INSTRUMENTS by John & Allison Cyganowski 3) RE: Schneider Cup Racers by Bob Pearson 4) Re: Schneider Cup Racers by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 5) Chine Lines (Was Re: Schneider Cup Racers) by Bob Pearson 6) Adios by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 7) Re: Schneider Cup Racers by "Sandy Adam" 8) RE: Schneider Cup Racers by Shane Weier 9) RE: INSTRUMENTS by "Diego Fernetti" 10) RE: INSTRUMENTS by "Diego Fernetti" 11) RE: Schneider Cup Racers by Shane Weier 12) RE: Schneider Cup Racers by "Diego Fernetti" 13) SPAD 16 by Matthew E Bittner 14) Re: Atelier Noix, was Schneider Cup Racers by Matthew E Bittner 15) Re: Schneider Cup Racers by "Brad Gossen" 16) Re: INSTRUMENTS by Ernest Thomas 17) Re: Atelier Noix, was Schneider Cup Racers by John & Allison Cyganowski 18) Re: Atelier Noix, was Schneider Cup Racers by Alberto Rada 19) Re: Schneider Cup Racers by "Sandy Adam" 20) Worm by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 21) Re: INSTRUMENTS by Kevin Wenker 22) RE: INSTRUMENTS by "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" 23) Re: Sierra Scale Models by "Sandy Adam" 24) Re: Sierra Scale Models by Dennis Ugulano 25) off topic ident by thayer@sirius.com (thayer syme) 26) Re: Americal/Gryphon Info by Matthew Zivich ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:25:06 -0800 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <36C3BB32.5C9@mars.ark.com> Everyone seems to be concentrating on Supermarine and monoplanes, but Hawk also had the Curtiss R3C-2 which was both a Schneider Cup design AND a biplane - and I've got one should the mood ever strike... Aeroplane Monthly also covered some of the competitors (I seem to recall the Gloster entrant, but I can't put my hands on the issue right now). Dave Fletcher dcf@mars.ark.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:45:17 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: INSTRUMENTS Message-ID: <36C3BFED.FB1@worldnet.att.net> Let me add my 2 Euro's worth and recommend Fotocut's line called Jolly Good Bezels. Barry at Rosemont should be able to get these. John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:31:22 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <199902120631.WAA10132@spare.rapidnet.net> Shane writes . . > Off topic == ugly > > No exceptions ;-) > > Shane > (engaging kill file.....PLONK) For shame. . The Sopwith Tabloid in which Pixton won the trophy in 1914 is off-topic? Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:12:08 +1100 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: Re: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <36C3D448.CF65EE79@tac.com.au> > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:01:28 -0800 > From: Bob Pearson > Subject: Re: Schneider Cup Racers > > There was a multi part series in one of the aviation mags a few years ago. > Possibly Wings/Airpower > > Bob > > > From: "Robert Woodbury" > > Subject: Schneider Cup Racers > > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:34:41 -0500 (EST) > > > > Hi All, > > > > A little off topic, does anyone know of any good references on the > Schneider > > Cup racers. They've always been of a bit of interest to me but I've seen > > very little around the place, both reference wise and kit wise. > > > > Rob Hi gang, IIRC, the articles were in Flypast. I'll check if you want? Also to bring it back on topic(sort off). A good reference is "Chine Lines", this is the newsletter of the IPMS(USA) Seaplane SIG. This cover all seaplanes & although I haven't had a good look thru it, it looks like a worthwile title & has a lot of WW1 content. It's published 4 times a year, although you may have to join IPMS to get it. Chine Lines can be contacted by writing to Bill Devins, 107 Troy Hills Rd, Whippany, NJ, 07981. Or try the IPMS(USA) website at: http://www.ipmsusa.org/ . Tell Bill that the APMA editorial team sent you, as he has let us reprint some of his articles in the past. Shane Vice President APMA & Asst editor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:15:37 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Chine Lines (Was Re: Schneider Cup Racers) Message-ID: <199902120715.XAA10359@spare.rapidnet.net> > Also to bring it back on topic(sort off). A good reference is "Chine > Lines", this is the newsletter of the IPMS(USA) Seaplane SIG. This cover > all seaplanes & although I haven't had a good look thru it, it looks > like a worthwile title & has a lot of WW1 content. It's published 4 > times a year, although you may have to join IPMS to get it. I'll have to agree with Shane here. Bill Devins was at the 1996 OTF seminar in Washington and was giving out copies of all the WW1 articles he had published in Chine Lines. If you have any interest in seaplanes of any form it is worth a visit. Bob > Chine Lines can be contacted by writing to Bill Devins, 107 Troy Hills > Rd, Whippany, NJ, 07981. Or try the IPMS(USA) website at: > http://www.ipmsusa.org/ . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:21:48 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Adios Message-ID: <199902120821.AAA04526@compass.OregonVOS.net> I'm unsubscribing for a bit - off to Las Vegas for a volleyball tournament. You folks play nice while I'm gone. No fair 'dissing' MvR while I'm not around to defend 'im. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:52:37 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <199902120952.JAA19595@beryl.sol.co.uk> > 1. Ugly > 2. Off Topic > 3. Monoplanes....... > Shane Then later... > Off topic == ugly > Shane Do you know what tautology is? > (engaging kill file.....PLONK) I think you missed the "ER" off the end of PLONK on your by-line Sandy (PS they are stunningly beautiful aircraft - all of 'em. Back to your framework Hurricane, boy!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:09:21 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: Bob, > > Off topic == ugly > > > > No exceptions ;-) > For shame. . The Sopwith Tabloid in which Pixton won the > trophy in 1914 is off-topic? For me, on topic, just. But all those other weirdnesses, pshawww. (includes ugly off topic Curtiss biplanes ) ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:14:26 -0200 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: INSTRUMENTS Message-ID: <002b01be5668$17276d80$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> That's a good one, Shane. I'll try this next time. And for instrument colors, some Albatros Tachometers had a dark green face. So it's important to check all the references that you can get without loosing your mind or your heir buying books. D. (who ended with a Spad full of unnecesary cramped cockpit due to a scale error in the copy shop) -----Mensaje original----- De: Shane Weier Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Jueves 11 de Febrero de 1999 7:18 PM Asunto: RE: INSTRUMENTS >Diego (at the end of a useful disertation on bezels says: > >> 5) Don't use metallic paints for bezels. As you said they are >> too thick and grainy for little sacles. I've read Bill Horan's >> book about figures and he uses ochre and a tip of yellow for >> buckles. You can use the same mixture for >> bezels and if you like, a little higlighting with a touch of >> a sharp gold or silver aquarell pencil. > >I almost agree with this one. I have had a lot of success with watercolour >pencils for brass. In the case of bezels I spray them with one of the >metallic aluminium colours - Testors Metalizer which has very fine grain and >although it's fragile it doesn't need to be robust for this job. > >Then rub a yellow ochre watercolour on a piece of 1200 grit wet and dry, add >a drop of Future and mix with the tip of a brush. The resulting yellowish >acrylic varnish over aluminium looks terrific for brass in small scales. > >Incidentally, using Indian Red and other earths (Sienna, Umber) over >aluminium - in several coats if needed - will give a nice range of copper >tones from shiny new metal to dull oxidised stuff. Handy on those copper >pipes. > >Shane > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:23:45 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" Subject: RE: INSTRUMENTS Message-ID: <199902121023.HAA25365@casandra.rosario.gov.ar> (Ed: Diego's file had a virus in it so it was removed from the archive.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:17:09 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: Sandy, > Do you know what tautology is? Yup. It's like putting one of these ;-) and then doing this <============ This is a joke Sandy. > > > (engaging kill file.....PLONK) > I think you missed the "ER" off the end of PLONK on your by-line Sometimes the tautology is necessary when instructing Scots in the the subject of humour. > (PS they are stunningly beautiful aircraft - all of 'em. Back to your > framework Hurricane, boy!) No fair. I built it in a fit of madness when someone accused me of never building anything that didn't meet this description: Wire braced truss fuselage, refined by external wooden stringers and covered with doped fabric with the exception of minor areas of metal skin and plywood around the engine and cockpit. The Hurricane was as far from a *real* airplane as I was willing to go - because it *still* fitted the paradigm. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:40:58 -0200 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <009201be566b$cc093f00$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Dave: You're talking about a guy who had a portfolio section in FSM about scratchbuilt AH planes, three or four years ago. Maybe Rob can get info from FSM web site. I think that they can help him with information about his line of products. D. PS: He had a WW1 line of resin kits named "Fabric Time", don't he? -----Mensaje original----- De: David Vosburgh > there was also a line of resin kits from Japan a while back, put >out by the same guy in Kanagawa Prefecture who did the Aetlier Noir (sp?) >line of WWI types. Don't know whether they're still obtainable, though, or >if in fact they ever were over here. > >FWIW, > >DV ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 05:00:48 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: SPAD 16 Message-ID: <19990212.050248.-845807.1.mbittner@juno.com> Ok. I'm still trying to track down cockpit info for the SPAD 11. What I'm wondering is if anyone has taken pictures - or know where there are pictures available - of the USAF Museum's original SPAD 16. Since it and the 11 were very close, I would like to use cockpit shots of this to help. Anybody traveling there soon that could take pictures? Matt Bittner nb: One Off-Topic (il-lusions of grandeur) and Flashback Strutter nu: SPAD 11 nr: About to finish _Storks_ ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 04:59:00 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Atelier Noix, was Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <19990212.050248.-845807.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 12 Feb 1999 05:40:43 -0500 (EST) "Diego Fernetti" writes: >PS: He had a WW1 line of resin kits named "Fabric Time", don't he? Something like that. At the least had 6 kits out, all US$20-US$35. Quite steep, but quite stunning. I have the first four, and they were - and still are (sorry Barry :-)) the best resin ever produced. No warpage and no airholes. For those with the Hawkeye Dr.I, take that kit up two notches and that's the quality of Atelier Noix kits. I just wish I would have bought the Nieuport 10 and 11. I have seen them, and they are quite stunning. Matt Bittner nb: One Off-Topic (il-lusions of grandeur) and Flashback Strutter nu: SPAD 11 nr: About to finish _Storks_ ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:03:44 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <199902121204.HAA29707@mail5.globalserve.net> There's also The Story of the Schneider Trophy Race 1913-1931 by Henry R. Palmer, Jr. Superior Publishing, 1962. Sorry no ISBN. Brad BigglesRFC@globalserve.net ---------- > From: Eli Geher > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Schneider Cup Racers > Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 11:38 PM > > > >Best book I've got is Schneider Trophy Aircraft 1913-1931, by Derek N. > >James, Putnam Press, 1981. > > Also > > Schneider Trophy Racers by Robert Hirsch, Motorbooks International, 1993, > ISBN 0-87938-616-9 > > and > > The Speed Seekers, Thomas Foxworth, Doubleday, 1974. ISBN 0-385-06050-5 > > The Hirsch book, at least, may still be available through the publisher.. > The other 2 would certainly need to be found on the used market. > > Eli Geher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 06:07:12 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: INSTRUMENTS Message-ID: <36C41970.7F6B@bellsouth.net> David R.L. Laws wrote: > Reaming tube to a thin enough wall section also seems a rather pesky > task Are tiny reaming tools available ? ( and Ernest, ... Down boy ! > it's too obvious anyway !! ) > Well, since you axed for me by name... A tiny reaming tool you say? Shoot your snail mail address over and I'll send you a couple root canal files. The smaller ones taper down to nothing. Don't know how they'll stand up against brass, but it's worth a try. But p/e bezels would be your best bet as far as nice results with relative ease. Toms has some decent ones. Nothing fancy, but suitable. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:02:11 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Atelier Noix, was Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <36C41843.3564@worldnet.att.net> Matthew E Bittner wrote: > > Something like that. At the least had 6 kits out, all US$20-US$35. > Quite steep, but quite stunning. I have the first four, and they were - > and still are (sorry Barry :-)) the best resin ever produced. Except they were about 50% out of scale. ;-) Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:37:32 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Atelier Noix, was Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <36C4208C.1F54667F@argonaut.net> Hi Can you still obtain them ? SALUDOS Alberto Matthew E Bittner wrote: > On Fri, 12 Feb 1999 05:40:43 -0500 (EST) "Diego Fernetti" > writes: > > >PS: He had a WW1 line of resin kits named "Fabric Time", don't he? > > Something like that. At the least had 6 kits out, all US$20-US$35. > Quite steep, but quite stunning. I have the first four, and they were - > and still are (sorry Barry :-)) the best resin ever produced. No warpage > and no airholes. For those with the Hawkeye Dr.I, take that kit up two > notches and that's the quality of Atelier Noix kits. > > I just wish I would have bought the Nieuport 10 and 11. I have seen > them, and they are quite stunning. > > Matt Bittner > > nb: One Off-Topic (il-lusions of grandeur) and Flashback Strutter > nu: SPAD 11 > nr: About to finish _Storks_ > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:54:49 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <199902121254.MAA04777@beryl.sol.co.uk> > Sometimes the tautology is necessary that's an oxymoron when instructing Scots in the the subject of humour. that's just being a moron and that's Scots humour, Shane! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:59:18 -0600 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Worm Message-ID: This message is not to cause alarm, but just awareness. One of the list postings I received overnight had a copy of the "happy99.exe" e-mail worm as an attached file. Don't run this if you get it--just delete the message and file. It hasn't been determined if it does actual damage to Windows based PC's, but it does attach itself to e-mail in order to replicate. I sent the member a note about receiving it. Didn't want it running rampant on the list. If you want to check me out, see: http://beta.nai.com/public/datafiles/valerts/vinfo/w32ska.htm Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:18:21 -0600 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: INSTRUMENTS Message-ID: <36C4382D.3423@interaccess.com> Diego Fernetti wrote: > > Name: Happy99.exe > Part 1.1 Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) > Encoding: x-uuencode DO NOT OPEN THIS FILE - IT IS A VIRUS!!!!!! DO NOT SEND FILES TO THE GROUP. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:21:11 -0700 From: "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: INSTRUMENTS Message-ID: <5DA4C4BE65D9D111A6FC0060081FD2189E724A@SNEFFELS> Yipes!! Watch out everyone. Our IT people have told us that the Happy99.exe is a virus. Don't open it! This is NOT any sort of criticism of Diego, I'm sure he didn't know. Diego, hope you can clean it off your hard drive without damage. Hi ho Michael Satin -----Original Message----- From: Diego Fernetti [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] Sent: Friday, February 12, 1999 3:14 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: INSTRUMENTS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:40:44 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Sierra Scale Models Message-ID: <199902121640.QAA14044@beryl.sol.co.uk> > > In my Sopwith Hobbies catalog 10, 14 and 31 are not > > listed. Looks like they didn't get kitted. Anyone have an update? > Maybe they *were* kitted, but are no longer available. > Shane Jeez! Dennis - there were a number of models that Bob deleted - usually, I think, because newer injection kits came out - one I have seen quite often is his 1/48 Fokker D.VII which was a nice vac, but totally superseded when the DML Dragon appeared. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:02:39 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Sierra Scale Models Message-ID: <199902121202_MC2-6A46-A460@compuserve.com> Sandy, >> I think, because newer injection kits came out << Have I ever been there. When the vac craze started I bought everything with both hands figuring I would never see anything in injection mold. And for !/48, it was worse. There was almost nothing, so vac was the only way to go. Now look at our segment of the hobby. More injection kits that we can count in both scales. I look at WW1 now compared to 1980 and it is amazing. And 1999 looks to bring more kits that we only dreamed of. I can feel for the vac manufacturers but even for myself and the ability I have with vacs, I still prefer a good old fashion injection mold kit. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 2/3/99 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:14:27 -0800 From: thayer@sirius.com (thayer syme) To: ffml@airage.com, sfrc@airage.com, eflight-list@ezonemag.com, Subject: off topic ident Message-ID: Thanks to many fine modelers, I have been able to identify the mystery ship as the USS Comstock LSD-45. For those interested, official info can be seen at http://www.comstock.navy.mil/ Thanks to all, Thayer -- Thayer Syme San Francisco Model Aviation Homepage http://www.sirius.com/~thayer/modelhp.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:53:46 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Americal/Gryphon Info Message-ID: Michael: Thanks for the reply. Turkish insignia was indeed a black square with a white border on all surfaces used. As I understand it, the squares, etc. were simply painted over the German crosses. Matt Z. On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, mkendix wrote: > Matt: > > As far as I can see, they only have 1/72nd scale > > #55 Turkish Insignia 1917-18 $6.50 > > What do Turkish insignia look like? The only picture I have shows black > squares on a Halberstadt CL IV profile. > > Michael > > > mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu > > On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Matthew Zivich wrote: > > > Michael: > > > > Do you know if this company has 1/48th Turkish markings for Alb. DVa > > aircraft? > > > > Matt Z. > > > > On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, mkendix wrote: > > > > > Dave: > > > > > > I received an order from them this week; here's the information from the > > > "Early Winter 1998" list. > > > > > > Postage > > > > > > # sheets ordered 1st class overseas > > > > > > 1-2 $1.75 $3.70 > > > 3-4 $2.30 $4.50 > > > 5-6 $3.00 $5.60 > > > 7-10 $3.50 $6.50 > > > > 10 10% of order 10% of order > > > > > > checks to AMERICALS, 8.25% sales tax in Texas. > > > > > > #18 British roundels (large A/C) (1/72) $6.50 > > > #19 British Roundels (small A/C) (1/72) $6.50 > > > #36 British Roundels (small A/C) (1/48) $6.50 > > > > > > Your $2.30 is wrong. > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu > > > > > > On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, David Vosburgh wrote: > > > > > > > Just got back online, and am wondering if anybody with a current A/G catalog > > > > could kindly tell me how much sheets Nos.18, 19, & 36 would be with S&H? My > > > > price list is over a year old and I have them at $6.50 ea. and $2.30 > > > > postage. > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > Dave V. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1441 **********************