WWI Digest 1440 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Baumer Albatros by Kevin Wenker 2) Americal/Gryphon Info by "David Vosburgh" 3) Re: INSTRUMENTS - ALPS PRINTER? by Kevin Wenker 4) Sierra Scale Models by Modelhound@aol.com 5) A/G price sheet by "Steven M. Perry" 6) Re: Americal/Gryphon Info by mkendix 7) Re: Sierra Scale Models by Dennis Ugulano 8) RE: Sierra Scale Models by Shane Weier 9) Re: Americal/Gryphon Info by Matthew Zivich 10) Schneider Cup Racers by "Robert Woodbury" 11) RE: Schneider Cup Racers by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 12) Re: New Model Photos by "David Vosburgh" 13) Re: Schneider Cup Racers by "K. Hagerup" 14) Re: New Model Photos by Ernest Thomas 15) Re: Americal/Gryphon Info by mkendix 16) Re: Schneider Cup Racers by Bill Neill 17) RE: Schneider Cup Racers by "Robert Woodbury" 18) RE: Schneider Cup Racers by "Robert Woodbury" 19) RE: Schneider Cup Racers by "Robert Woodbury" 20) Re: Schneider Cup Racers by Bob Pearson 21) RE: Schneider Cup Racers by "Robert Woodbury" 22) RE: Schneider Cup Racers by Shane Weier 23) Re: Sierra Scale Models by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 24) RE: Schneider Cup Racers by Mike Fletcher 25) RE: Schneider Cup Racers by "Robert Woodbury" 26) RE: Schneider Cup Racers by Shane Weier 27) RE: Schneider Cup Racers by Bob Pearson 28) RE: Schneider Cup Racers by Bill Neill 29) Re: Schneider Cup Racers by "Eli Geher" 30) Re: Brass finish by Bill Neill 31) Re: Schneider Cup Racers by "David Vosburgh" 32) Re: Schneider Cup Racers by "David Vosburgh" 33) RE: Schneider Cup Racers by Shane Weier 34) RE: Schneider Cup Racers by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:53:11 -0600 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Baumer Albatros Message-ID: <36C37B77.3ADC9487@interaccess.com> D. Anderson wrote: > At 03:32 PM 20/01/99 -0500, you wrote: > > You're an American. Can't you just shoot these people? Isn't that some sort > 2nd Amendment right? > Only foreigners, Dane. Only foreigners. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:53:42 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: "WWI Mailing List" Subject: Americal/Gryphon Info Message-ID: <00a801be5622$24661820$1ad690d0@Pvosburg> Just got back online, and am wondering if anybody with a current A/G catalog could kindly tell me how much sheets Nos.18, 19, & 36 would be with S&H? My price list is over a year old and I have them at $6.50 ea. and $2.30 postage. TIA Dave V. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:55:55 -0600 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: INSTRUMENTS - ALPS PRINTER? Message-ID: <36C37C1B.1849A336@interaccess.com> Actually, I *do* make instrument faces and print them with my Alps MD5000 on decal paper. I do a screen capture of the cockpits in Red Baron II 3D and then use Photoshop to scale it. I either do the whole panel or just the faces. Works VERY well. I also did a sheet of wood grain with panel lines and without. Real slick. Kevin W Jack Berlien wrote: > Anybody thought about using the Alps printer to make instrument faces? > All we would need is a decent graphic of the instrument to use to generate > the decal - either a scan of a photo, or better, to reproduce in drawing > program. > Trouble is, I don't know what they look like! > > I have the Alps MD-1000, but no decal paper, and haven't yet tried to make > decals although I plan to. I would like to help out if I can - generating > the > graphic, decals, or both. All I need is an idea of what the instrument > should > look like. > > Best regards, > > Jack > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Paul Schwartzkopf > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 1999 5:46 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: INSTRUMENTS > > Dave, > > I have had good luck in the past making my own instrument faces. I start > out with a piece of sheet plastic, and cut it to the panel shape needed. I > then carefully cut the brass bezels from one of Tom's Modelworks PE sets and > superglue them into their proper positions. I usually leave them brass, so > I then paint the interior of the faces black and the rest of the panel wood, > or whatever. When dry, I take a very sharp, fine-pointed dissection tool > (or pin, etc.) and scratch in the markings on the faces, then a drop of > clear gloss to simulate the glass. > > I have also purchased a set of 1/4 scale RC aircraft instrument faces and > reduced them on a copy machine to get them in the correct scales. This > works reasonably well, but they are hard to cut off the paper due to the > size. They look fine in 1/32, and are passable in 1/48. HTH > > Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:35:41 EST From: Modelhound@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Sierra Scale Models Message-ID: Can someone please tell me what was the subjects of kits Numbered: 48-10, 48-14, 48-31, Thank you, Mike Franklin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:16:09 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: A/G price sheet Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990211201609.00a642d0@pop.mindspring.com> I just received an order from A/G and have scanned the price sheet/order form that came with it. Contact me off list if you need a current copy sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:23:17 -0500 (EST) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Americal/Gryphon Info Message-ID: Dave: I received an order from them this week; here's the information from the "Early Winter 1998" list. Postage # sheets ordered 1st class overseas 1-2 $1.75 $3.70 3-4 $2.30 $4.50 5-6 $3.00 $5.60 7-10 $3.50 $6.50 > 10 10% of order 10% of order checks to AMERICALS, 8.25% sales tax in Texas. #18 British roundels (large A/C) (1/72) $6.50 #19 British Roundels (small A/C) (1/72) $6.50 #36 British Roundels (small A/C) (1/48) $6.50 Your $2.30 is wrong. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, David Vosburgh wrote: > Just got back online, and am wondering if anybody with a current A/G catalog > could kindly tell me how much sheets Nos.18, 19, & 36 would be with S&H? My > price list is over a year old and I have them at $6.50 ea. and $2.30 > postage. > > TIA > > Dave V. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:40:14 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Sierra Scale Models Message-ID: <199902112040_MC2-6A32-8B2E@compuserve.com> Mike, In my Sopwith Hobbies catalog 10, 14 and 31 are not listed. Looks like they didn't get kitted. Anyone have an update? Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies Page Revised 2/3/99 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:02:21 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Sierra Scale Models Message-ID: Dennis, > In my Sopwith Hobbies catalog 10, 14 and 31 are not > listed. Looks like they didn't get kitted. Anyone have an update? > Maybe they *were* kitted, but are no longer available. I'll forward the question to Bob Norgren, who I'd imagine will know ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:28:28 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Americal/Gryphon Info Message-ID: Michael: Do you know if this company has 1/48th Turkish markings for Alb. DVa aircraft? Matt Z. On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, mkendix wrote: > Dave: > > I received an order from them this week; here's the information from the > "Early Winter 1998" list. > > Postage > > # sheets ordered 1st class overseas > > 1-2 $1.75 $3.70 > 3-4 $2.30 $4.50 > 5-6 $3.00 $5.60 > 7-10 $3.50 $6.50 > > 10 10% of order 10% of order > > checks to AMERICALS, 8.25% sales tax in Texas. > > #18 British roundels (large A/C) (1/72) $6.50 > #19 British Roundels (small A/C) (1/72) $6.50 > #36 British Roundels (small A/C) (1/48) $6.50 > > Your $2.30 is wrong. > > Michael > > mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu > > On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, David Vosburgh wrote: > > > Just got back online, and am wondering if anybody with a current A/G catalog > > could kindly tell me how much sheets Nos.18, 19, & 36 would be with S&H? My > > price list is over a year old and I have them at $6.50 ea. and $2.30 > > postage. > > > > TIA > > > > Dave V. > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:36:41 +0800 From: "Robert Woodbury" To: Subject: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <000301be5638$e7965920$91107482@robertw-pc-fl.per.clw.csiro.au> Hi All, A little off topic, does anyone know of any good references on the Schneider Cup racers. They've always been of a bit of interest to me but I've seen very little around the place, both reference wise and kit wise. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:41:58 -0800 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: RE: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <002001be5639$a45f82c0$628cded1@chris> Hi Rob, I've amassed a fair amount of information on the Supermarine S.6 and a bit more on the earlier ones in my attempt to build the old Hawk kit correctly. There's the old Profile Publication on them, and a bit in a Chine Lines and some more in Air International. There was a 1/48 resin kit of the S.6B put out a while ago by a French company that was supposed to be pretty decent. I also remember seeing a 1/48 Macchi racer in resin, too. If you're interested in the Supermarine stuff, let me know and I'll dig it up for you. Chris Banyai-Riepl Publisher/Editor Internet Modeler http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Robert Woodbury > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 1999 7:35 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Schneider Cup Racers > > > Hi All, > > A little off topic, does anyone know of any good references on > the Schneider > Cup racers. They've always been of a bit of interest to me but I've seen > very little around the place, both reference wise and kit wise. > > Rob > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:45:09 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: New Model Photos Message-ID: <014f01be563a$17f6e160$1ad690d0@Pvosburg> You've been talking to that little kid and his pet tiger again, haven't you, E.? Lemme see... all they needed was an empty cardboard box and a magic marker to make their Transmogrifier/Duplicator/Time Machine, as near as I recall. DV (P.S. - the copper foil arrived on Mon. --- thanks much. Neat stuff! Can't wait to try it.) -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Thomas Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 12:58 AM Subject: Re: New Model Photos >Wouldn't we do better in the long run if we worked on the >Transmogrifier/Matter Enlarger after the time machine is finished? >Then we can build a model, enlarge it to full size, and then >transmogrify it into the REAL thing. >E. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:43:10 -0600 From: "K. Hagerup" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <36C3A34E.36C5@prodigy.net> Robert Woodbury wrote: > A little off topic, does anyone know of any good references on the Schneider > Cup racers. They've always been of a bit of interest to me but I've seen > very little around the place, both reference wise and kit wise. Best book I've got is Schneider Trophy Aircraft 1913-1931, by Derek N. James, Putnam Press, 1981. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:55:18 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Model Photos Message-ID: <36C3A626.3D88@bellsouth.net> David Vosburgh wrote: > > You've been talking to that little kid and his pet tiger again, haven't you, > E.? I do so miss them. Calvinball anyone? Glad the foil arrived. You can do some neat stuff with it. Have a look at my E-III someday. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:50:23 -0500 (EST) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Americal/Gryphon Info Message-ID: Matt: As far as I can see, they only have 1/72nd scale #55 Turkish Insignia 1917-18 $6.50 What do Turkish insignia look like? The only picture I have shows black squares on a Halberstadt CL IV profile. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Matthew Zivich wrote: > Michael: > > Do you know if this company has 1/48th Turkish markings for Alb. DVa > aircraft? > > Matt Z. > > On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, mkendix wrote: > > > Dave: > > > > I received an order from them this week; here's the information from the > > "Early Winter 1998" list. > > > > Postage > > > > # sheets ordered 1st class overseas > > > > 1-2 $1.75 $3.70 > > 3-4 $2.30 $4.50 > > 5-6 $3.00 $5.60 > > 7-10 $3.50 $6.50 > > > 10 10% of order 10% of order > > > > checks to AMERICALS, 8.25% sales tax in Texas. > > > > #18 British roundels (large A/C) (1/72) $6.50 > > #19 British Roundels (small A/C) (1/72) $6.50 > > #36 British Roundels (small A/C) (1/48) $6.50 > > > > Your $2.30 is wrong. > > > > Michael > > > > mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu > > > > On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, David Vosburgh wrote: > > > > > Just got back online, and am wondering if anybody with a current A/G catalog > > > could kindly tell me how much sheets Nos.18, 19, & 36 would be with S&H? My > > > price list is over a year old and I have them at $6.50 ea. and $2.30 > > > postage. > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > Dave V. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:57:13 -0500 From: Bill Neill To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <199902112258_MC2-6A2E-F0B9@compuserve.com> There is a real one (S6B) in the Science Museum in London. Bill Neill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:07:01 +0800 From: "Robert Woodbury" To: Subject: RE: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <000401be563d$244be520$91107482@robertw-pc-fl.per.clw.csiro.au> > There is a real one (S6B) in the Science Museum in London. > > Blast! I've been to London twice and I've yet to visit the Science museum! Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:07:29 +0800 From: "Robert Woodbury" To: Subject: RE: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <000501be563d$35410540$91107482@robertw-pc-fl.per.clw.csiro.au> > Best book I've got is Schneider Trophy Aircraft 1913-1931, by Derek N. > James, Putnam Press, 1981. > Anyone know if the book is still available? Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:10:38 +0800 From: "Robert Woodbury" To: Subject: RE: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <000601be563d$a57bcb60$91107482@robertw-pc-fl.per.clw.csiro.au> > I've amassed a fair amount of information on the Supermarine S.6 and a bit... > I also remember seeing a 1/48 Macchi racer in resin, too. If you're > interested in the Supermarine stuff, let me know and I'll dig it > up for you. > Thanks for the offer Chris. I'm after more general info at his point. Just want to build up my general knowledge. I did spot an Italian company that's producing a number of Schneider cup aircraft in 1/48 using resin. But I can't recall the details. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:01:28 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <199902120401.UAA09237@spare.rapidnet.net> There was a multi part series in one of the aviation mags a few years ago. Possibly Wings/Airpower Bob ---------- > From: "Robert Woodbury" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Schneider Cup Racers > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:34:41 -0500 (EST) > > Hi All, > > A little off topic, does anyone know of any good references on the Schneider > Cup racers. They've always been of a bit of interest to me but I've seen > very little around the place, both reference wise and kit wise. > > Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:15:25 +0800 From: "Robert Woodbury" To: Subject: RE: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <000701be563e$50fef5c0$91107482@robertw-pc-fl.per.clw.csiro.au> > There was a multi part series in one of the aviation mags a few years ago. > Possibly Wings/Airpower > > Bob > Don't suppose that you have any profiles hidden away? Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:14:27 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: Rob > but I've seen > very little around the place, both reference wise and kit wise. 1. Ugly 2. Off Topic 3. Monoplanes....... ...so why is this surprising ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:13:44 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sierra Scale Models Message-ID: <199902120413.UAA03294@compass.OregonVOS.net> Mike wrote: >Can someone please tell me what was the subjects of kits Numbered: >48-10, >48-14, >48-31, >Thank you, >Mike Franklin The 48-10 was a Curtiss SBC-4 Helldiver while 48-14 was a Curtis P-1 Hawk. My Kit Collectors' Guide doesn't list 48-31. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:18:47 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: rigged though... On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Shane Weier wrote: > Rob > > > > but I've seen > > very little around the place, both reference wise and kit wise. > > 1. Ugly > 2. Off Topic > 3. Monoplanes....... > > ..so why is this surprising > > ;-) > > Shane > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:22:26 +0800 From: "Robert Woodbury" To: Subject: RE: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <000801be563f$4b608e20$91107482@robertw-pc-fl.per.clw.csiro.au> > > 1. Ugly > 2. Off Topic > 3. Monoplanes....... > > ..so why is this surprising > > ;-) > Shane, Didn't you mother ever tell you if you don't have anything nice to say... ;-) But seriously, I always thought they were rather amazing looking aircraft- even if they did only have one set of wings. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:22:26 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: Mike, > rigged though... > Yes, but the canary would escape... Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:22:52 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <199902120422.UAA09371@spare.rapidnet.net> Nope sorry .. not yet .... .... Darn have I given anything away? Bob ---------- > From: "Robert Woodbury" > Don't suppose that you have any profiles hidden away? > > Rob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:35:47 -0500 From: Bill Neill To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <199902112336_MC2-6A2E-F2BE@compuserve.com> I built the Airways 72 scale S4 several years ago. Terrible kit, like most of the Airways stuff, but made up ok eventually. Airways did a lot of 'exotic' Brit subjects like the Sopwith Dove. I still got them somewhere.... Bill Neill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:43:23 -0600 From: "Eli Geher" To: Subject: Re: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <003c01be5642$8ddc2e00$606086d0@ELIGEHER> >Best book I've got is Schneider Trophy Aircraft 1913-1931, by Derek N. >James, Putnam Press, 1981. Also Schneider Trophy Racers by Robert Hirsch, Motorbooks International, 1993, ISBN 0-87938-616-9 and The Speed Seekers, Thomas Foxworth, Doubleday, 1974. ISBN 0-385-06050-5 The Hirsch book, at least, may still be available through the publisher.. The other 2 would certainly need to be found on the used market. Eli Geher ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:43:10 -0500 From: Bill Neill To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Brass finish Message-ID: <199902112344_MC2-6A2E-F31A@compuserve.com> Bare-Metal used to do a brass adhesive backed foil in their range. I've used the Aluminum foil a lot. both for large scale use and for details. works good, and looks exactly like metal! There is also a range of metal foils by 'Renaissance' in craft shops, and Rub and Buff metallisers of assorted metals. Bill Neill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:11:39 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <021501be5646$2ceecea0$1ad690d0@Pvosburg> Rob The old Hawk S.6 and Curtiss racers are still cheap ($5-7US) and plentiful up here under the Testors label, and make up into nice models with some accurizing and detailing. In addition to the Italian kits the others mentioned there was also a line of resin kits from Japan a while back, put out by the same guy in Kanagawa Prefecture who did the Aetlier Noir (sp?) line of WWI types. Don't know whether they're still obtainable, though, or if in fact they ever were over here. FWIW, DV -----Original Message----- From: Robert Woodbury To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 12:31 AM Subject: Schneider Cup Racers >Hi All, > >A little off topic, does anyone know of any good references on the Schneider >Cup racers. They've always been of a bit of interest to me but I've seen >very little around the place, both reference wise and kit wise. > >Rob > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:11:43 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <021601be5646$2f0f8bc0$1ad690d0@Pvosburg> Ye gods! The Macchi M.72 ugly? Compared to what... a Caproni Ca.33, perhaps? DV -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 1:10 AM Subject: RE: Schneider Cup Racers >Rob > > >> but I've seen >> very little around the place, both reference wise and kit wise. > >1. Ugly >2. Off Topic >3. Monoplanes....... > >..so why is this surprising > >;-) > >Shane > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:22:48 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: Dave, > Ye gods! The Macchi M.72 ugly? Compared to what... a Caproni > Ca.33, perhaps? Off topic == ugly No exceptions ;-) Shane (engaging kill file.....PLONK) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:25:50 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Schneider Cup Racers Message-ID: <199902120525.VAA06929@compass.OregonVOS.net> >> 1. Ugly >> 2. Off Topic >> 3. Monoplanes....... >> ..so why is this surprising >Shane, >Didn't you mother ever tell you if you don't have anything nice to say... >;-) >But seriously, I always thought they were rather amazing looking aircraft- >even if they did only have one set of wings. Er, didn't Jimmy Doolittle win the 1925 Schneider flying a Curtiss -biplane-? Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1440 **********************