WWI Digest 1424

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Some more Boarding
	by John & Allison Cyganowski <Janah@worldnet.att.net>
  2) RE: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette)
	by Mick Fauchon <ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>
  3) Re: Web page at last!
	by Zulis@aol.com
  4) RE: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette)
	by Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
  5) Re: Some more Boarding
	by Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
  6) Re: Some more Boarding
	by Zulis@aol.com
  7) RE: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette)
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
  8) Re: Web page at last!
	by Dennis Ugulano <Uggies@compuserve.com>
  9) RE: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette)
	by Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
 10) RE: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette)
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
 11) Re: Greven's SSW D.III
	by lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy)
 12) Re: Web page at last!
	by John Huggins <huggins@onramp.net>
 13) RE: Brussels Air Museum
	by "Richard Caudron" <richard_caudron@ibm.net>
 14) RE: Visit to UK - Science Museum
	by "Richard Caudron" <richard_caudron@ibm.net>
 15) February Internet Modeler
	by Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
 16) Re: February Internet Modeler
	by "NAER" <naer@mail.telepac.pt>
 17) MoS Type I
	by Matthew E Bittner <mbittner@juno.com>
 18) hi again
	by "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
 19) Re: MoS Type I
	by Dennis Ugulano <Uggies@compuserve.com>
 20) Feb. IM
	by "Steven M. Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
 21) Note to Allen Wright, where are the English Aircraft factories? (fwd)
	by Allan Wright <aew>
 22) PART P/E Sets
	by Mike Dicianna <mikedc@dnc.net>
 23) Re: PART P/E Sets
	by Maciej Szymanski <mszyman@ibch.poznan.pl>
 24) Re: February Internet Modeler
	by Kevin Wenker <kwenker@interaccess.com>
 25) RE: February Internet Modeler
	by "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
 26) Re: Note to Allen Wright, where are the English Aircraft factories? (fwd)
	by "Eli Geher" <iceman@ro.com>
 27) Re: February Internet Modeler
	by "Tom Werner Hansen" <tomwerner.hansen@of.telia.no>
 28) RE: Wilhelm Frankl info?
	by "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" <Michael.Satin@shepards.com>
 29) Tommy Morse help needed
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>

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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 20:21:05 -0500
From: John & Allison Cyganowski <Janah@worldnet.att.net>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Some more Boarding
Message-ID: <36B50181.6BF5@worldnet.att.net>

Bill Shatzer wrote:
> 
> >>While going through THE JASTA PILOTS on an unrelated matter I came >across a photo of a pilot boarding his D.VII (from the left).
> 
> >There is a picture of Lt Franz Ray in Datafile #1 boarding his D.III
> >from the starboard side. Maybe it was all just personal preference?
> 
> This would seem a bit strange.  AFAIK, the Albatros fighters all had
> a boarding "step" on the left side of the fuselage but none on the
> right side.  That would be a -big- step up without that "toehold"
> on the fuselage.
> 
> Any possibility that this photo might be a "flipped" negative?

No, as you can see the exhaust pipes.  He is using a ladder or a
trestle.  I really haven't seen a picture of anyone using the "boarding
step", rather they all seem to be using a ladder. The boarding step has
always made me wonder.  Who had legs long enough, save perhaps Veltjens,
to use the step?

Cyg.

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:45:25 +1100 (EST)
From: Mick Fauchon <ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette)
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9902011153.C9847-0100000@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>



	Shane,

> My understanding is that *horse* mounting is done that way due to the
> preponderance of right handed people having an easier time of it, including
> such things as balance and preventing a slung sabre from getting caught up.
> Getting back to topic, the AFC actually chose good horsemen for training as
> pilots for their presumed better balance and "lighter" hands. It seems to
> work that way, since I have read it as an official policy of the RFC too

	Further to which, it occurs to me from my old police motorcycle 
training days, that most people, presumably right-handers, tended to circle
to the right [consequently we spent many hours practicing circling to the 
left!], which would make the natural tendency of a pilot to instinctively
break [bank, corkscrew, dive, etc.] to the right in an emergency, to 
follow that natural clockwise-turning tendency. From memory, I don't think
I've ever seen a motorcyclist mount from the right, although it can be done.
	To follow up on the weapon-arm theory, it makes a lot of sense; with
you on the left side, and him on the right of the road, you'd be fighting/
firing away from your horse, rather than across him[/her/it].
	Just my 2c worth....


								Mick.



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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 20:43:11 EST
From: Zulis@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Web page at last!
Message-ID: <7cd72946.36b506af@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/31/99  8:36:17PM, Bill wrote;

<< as
 the kits were packaged in the cereal at random, one would have to
 consume a bodacious amount of Puffa Puffa Rice to have a reasonable
 chance of acquiring all six kits. >>

I wonder if their "Coco Pops" are related to the N.American Cocoa Puffs ...
.probably not.   Effective promotional idea though - if I was a kid in England
in 1972 I would have been eating my way to a Jasta in no time.....

Thanks for the info, Bill and Dave.    Amazing - the obscure info accessible
through the people on this list.

Dave Z

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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:42:13 -0800
From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette)
Message-ID: <199902010142.RAA18784@spare.rapidnet.net>


Mick writes ..

> 	Further to which, it occurs to me from my old police motorcycle 
> training days, that most people, presumably right-handers, tended to
circle
> to the right [consequently we spent many hours practicing circling to the 
> left!], which would make the natural tendency of a pilot to instinctively
> break [bank, corkscrew, dive, etc.] to the right in an emergency, to 
> follow that natural clockwise-turning tendency. From memory, I don't think
> I've ever seen a motorcyclist mount from the right, although it can be
done.

I had thought the natural tendancy was to turn to the left .. and vaguely
recall reading where an instructor would set off a loud noise directly
behind a row of cadets . Most would turn their heads to the left. .. to
which end they were then taught to break right.

Bob

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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:44:09 -0800
From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Some more Boarding
Message-ID: <199902010144.RAA18794@spare.rapidnet.net>


John writes . .

> No, as you can see the exhaust pipes.  He is using a ladder or a
> trestle.  I really haven't seen a picture of anyone using the "boarding
> step", rather they all seem to be using a ladder. The boarding step has
> always made me wonder.  Who had legs long enough, save perhaps Veltjens,
> to use the step?

Perhaps the step is for ease of exiting or intended for when FTL somewhere.

Bob

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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 20:58:25 EST
From: Zulis@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Some more Boarding
Message-ID: <a98016c.36b50a41@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/31/99  8:18:16PM, you write:

<< >There is a picture of Lt Franz Ray in Datafile #1 boarding his D.III
 >from the starboard side. Maybe it was all just personal preference?
 
 This would seem a bit strange.  AFAIK, the Albatros fighters all had
 a boarding "step" on the left side of the fuselage but none on the
 right side.  That would be a -big- step up without that "toehold"
 on the fuselage.
 
 Any possibility that this photo might be a "flipped" negative? >>

The picture with Ray includes a folding stepladder which reaches right up to
cockpit height, so with the extra equipment the "step" is unneccessary and one
can probably hop in from either side.    On the previous page, another pilot
is seen climbing out of his plane, this time on the left side, but stepping
down onto a small stepladder.

I suppose if you were getting into/out of the plane without other help, the
left side with the step up would be the way to go, but I also suspect that
this was not convenient, noting all the stepladders around.

Regarding horses - I think the convention there is only for consistency.
Horses presumably get used to their owner mounting from his/her preferred side
and would not react well to a different rider getting on from the opposite
side, so a convention developed that it is always from the same side (the
left, I believe).   At least this is the way it was once explained to me at a
summer camp - for whatever that is worth.   The business of swords, right-
handedness etc. may have come into play when that side was selected.

Regards,

Dave Zulis

ps - based upon the way the jackets button on the men in the picture, the
Franz Ray negative does not appear to be reversed.

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:53:20 +1000 
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette)
Message-ID: <A1654E835D0CD111B0730060B06865CDA9F52B@mimhexch.mim.com.au>

Bob,

> I had thought the natural tendancy was to turn to the left .. 
> and vaguely recall reading where an instructor would set 
> off a loud noise directly behind a row of cadets . 
> Most would turn their heads to the  left. .. to
> which end they were then taught to break right.

"Naturally" has nothing to do with this IMHO.

Put an Australian and a North American on a busy sidewalk and tell them to
cross the street. Bet I can tell which one is which without them saying a
thing. And I bet your instructor would get the opposite result here.

Shane
(hint - nothing to do with the fact that water goes down the plug hole the
opposite way down here either !)

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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:54:04 -0500
From: Dennis Ugulano <Uggies@compuserve.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Web page at last!
Message-ID: <199901312154_MC2-68B2-C217@compuserve.com>

Dave,

>> Thanks for the info, Bill and Dave.    Amazing - the obscure info
accessible
through the people on this list. <<

Amen to that statement.  I had no idea as to when only where and the
approximate scale.  I guess I could have read Brad's book again but I
didn't think of it.  I think I have the D8 left.  Anyone have lozenge in
1/167?

Dennis Ugulano
email:  Uggies@compuserve.com

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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 19:04:29 -0800
From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette)
Message-ID: <199902010304.TAA19266@spare.rapidnet.net>


Shane writes . .

> Put an Australian and a North American on a busy sidewalk and tell them to
> cross the street. Bet I can tell which one is which without them saying a
> thing. And I bet your instructor would get the opposite result here.

True, but would this have been in evidence at the turn of the century?  

Bob

PS wonder what percentage of those hit by vehicles while crossing a street
are tourists from another continent who looked the wrong way first.

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:26:36 +1000 
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette)
Message-ID: <A1654E835D0CD111B0730060B06865CDA9F52C@mimhexch.mim.com.au>

Bob,
> > Put an Australian and a North American on a busy sidewalk 
> > and tell them to cross the street. Bet I can tell which 
> > one is which without  them saying a
> > thing. And I bet your instructor would get the opposite result here.
> 
> True, but would this have been in evidence at the turn of the 
> century?  
> 

Maybe not, but my *grandmother* was taught the same thing I was. In any
case, *this* time my response was to the instructor and loud noise example,
and merely intended to make the point that which way you turn your head
first to look for danger can as easily have a basis in training as
physiology.

> PS wonder what percentage of those hit by vehicles while 
> crossing a street are tourists from another continent who
> looked the wrong way first.

World Expo'88 was held in Brisbane. After two weeks there had been three
fatal accidents on the Victoria Bridge leading to the site. All were US
citizens crossing from the city to the south bank who steeped off the kerb
to avoid pedestrian traffic because they could see no oncoming road traffic.
A rail was immediately added on the road side of both footpaths, but too
late for three of our visitors. Percentage? No idea. But it happens.

Shane 

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 03:36:29 GMT
From: lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy)
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Greven's SSW D.III
Message-ID: <36b52003.28080172@legend.firstsaga.com>

On Sun, 31 Jan 1999 20:30:28 -0500 (EST), you wrote:

>I just looked at my IM profile of Greven's SSW and the cowl is in metal,
>with the panels behind it in white. Note there is no spinner on this a/c.
>
Thanks Bob. The profile I was referencing was the one on IM. I just
wasn't sure about the uc/strut color. It looks light gray but thought
I would ask. Thanks again.

Len

ps - on Feb 13 the Richmond, VA IPMS Chapter is having their annual
open house at the State Fairgrounds. If anyone else from the list in
this area is planning on attending it would be nice to meet some of
you in person.

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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 23:05:19 -0600
From: John Huggins <huggins@onramp.net>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Web page at last!
Message-ID: <v04103604b2dae65e6074@[206.50.202.215]>

> Simply beautiful models Dennis. I like the page design too. Well worth the
> wait :-)
> sp

Very nice models and I also like the layout.

My hat is off to you sir>
John

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:38:23 +0100
From: "Richard Caudron" <richard_caudron@ibm.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Brussels Air Museum
Message-ID: <000401be4db5$d8c597c0$51305c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be>

Please, find hereafter the Web site from the Brussels Military Museums to
which belongs the Air department : http://www.klm-mra.be/
I am sure that if you send directly to them your questions, you will receive
the most accurate response.
Regards,
Richard Caudron

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of
> Michel LEFORT
> Sent: vrijdag 29 januari 1999 18:50
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: Finding a pilot
>
>
> On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:11:18 -0500 (EST), Mike Fletcher
> <mdf@mars.ark.com> wrote:
>
> >Is the restoration of this machine completed yet?
> >
> >On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Michel LEFORT wrote:
> >
> > In fact the Brussels Air Museum Ni17 is a Ni23 (MG not centered).
> I don't know. I have not seen the Museum for a long time due to family
> problems (wife generalized cancer :-((). I'll try and see what happened
> to it.
> Regards.
>
> --
> Michel Lefort <ipms.belgium@ping.be> - Braine-l'Alleud, Belgium
> IPMS Belgium Treasurer & Foreign Liaison Officer (member F012)
> MAFVA member #6708
> http://www.ping.be/ipms-belgium
> Plastic Modelling is holding History in your Hand
>


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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:38:25 +0100
From: "Richard Caudron" <richard_caudron@ibm.net>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Visit to UK - Science Museum
Message-ID: <000501be4db5$da3e7c20$51305c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be>

Wonderfull ...
Do you know the exact address, and the approximal distance betwen it and
London or Folkestone ?
Maybe a raid with a few friends during springs ?
Regards,
Richard Caudron

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of
> Knut Erik Hagen
> Sent: zaterdag 30 januari 1999 1:05
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Visit to UK - Science Museum
>
>
> Richard asked:
> >Do that museum have any Web site ? or do you have an idea of their
> >collections ?
> In South Kensington, based on my recollections and Bob Ogdens book:
> Avro 504K, Cody biplane, Fokker E.III, SE5A, Roe I triplane, Vickers Vimy
> Wright Flyer (replica), Lillenthal (replica?), Levasseur Antoinette
> and a lot of engines, instruments and guns.
> It is dark and dusty there, so photgraphy is a challenge.
>
> There is a lot of weird and wonderful off-topic stuff as well:
> Hill Pterodactyl, Supermarine S.6B, Gloster E.28/39, Cierva C.30
> and Hawker Hurricane to mention some of my favourites.
>
>
>                       Eders
>                     Knut Erik
>
>


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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 00:45:01 -0800
From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: February Internet Modeler
Message-ID: <199902010845.AAA20879@spare.rapidnet.net>


Greetings all,

Before Matt or Pedro scoop me yet again I'll announce that the new Internet
Modeler is now up. If you go to the Aircraft section Matt's cryptic "wait
until 1 February" now makes sense.


Regards,
         Bob Pearson

Managing Editor / Internet Modeler
http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/

Visit my WW1 aviation page at
http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1


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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:25:19 +0100
From: "NAER" <naer@mail.telepac.pt>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: February Internet Modeler
Message-ID: <19990201092302.PYY20839@[194.65.219.223]>

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> Date: segunda-feira, 1 de fevereiro de 1999 9:56
> 
> 
> Greetings all,
> 
> Before Matt or Pedro scoop me yet again I'll announce that the new
Internet
> Modeler is now up. If you go to the Aircraft section Matt's cryptic "wait
> until 1 February" now makes sense.


I was sleeping this time, Bob ;-).

Ok. I'll take a look now

Pedro
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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 04:55:48 -0600
From: Matthew E Bittner <mbittner@juno.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: MoS Type I
Message-ID: <19990201.045549.-777059.0.mbittner@juno.com>

For those who care, the "full size digital" images of the Temeks MoS Type
I are on my site at:

http://www.geocities.com/~ipmsfortcrook/ww1_fr.html


Matt Bittner

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:22:43 -0200
From: "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: "WW1 mailing list" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: hi again
Message-ID: <000c01be4dcc$cedfe780$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Hi list:
I'm back in the saddle again.


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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 07:10:39 -0500
From: Dennis Ugulano <Uggies@compuserve.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: MoS Type I
Message-ID: <199902010710_MC2-68B8-DA65@compuserve.com>

Matt,

        Your MoS Type I is beautiful.  And your write up is very detailed
and informative.  Excellent work.

Dennis Ugulano
email:  Uggies@compuserve.com

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 08:11:53 -0500
From: "Steven M. Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
To: WWI@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Feb. IM
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990201081153.00687874@pop.mindspring.com>

Chris, Bob and all involved in producing the Feb IM:

Another fine piece of work. I get a great deal of pleasure reading stuff by
other modelers about their work. When it's obvious the authors are having
fun building their models, the subject matter is of little importance.

Of course, when the subject is WWI, well, it's only better. Matt, your MoS
is a first rate piece of work! So stop Lagg-ing behind and fooling with
Il-usions and let's see that Strutter finished :-)

Thanks once again to all involved for adding to the enjoyment of the hobby.
sp

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:27:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi
Subject: Note to Allen Wright, where are the English Aircraft factories? (fwd)
Message-ID: <199902011327.IAA10613@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:59:45 +0000
From: Walter C Jacobs <w7pvz@juno.com>
Subject: Note to Allen Wright, where are the English Aircraft factories?
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January 30th, 1999 Saturday Rain, 38*, snow..Maybe!

Dear Mr. Wright,
	Do let me take a second to introduce, myself. My name is Walt Jacobs,
and I live in greater Seattle. I'm 75 years old and have been interested
in the air war of WWI since around my eighth birthday, in 1931.
	At one time I knew every critter that took to the air, of all armies, at
the time engaged in the great air war!
	The reason I have written to you, Mr. Wright, and a few others, is I'm
writing my first, or better stated, my first attempt at a novel. The book
is a period around 1916-17, "Bloody April," pushes my heros, over the
edge. A time when the German air craft and warriors were at their best. 
	The very real advantage was the superior airplanes of the Kaiser.
Against a series of extremely poor allied planes and Allied high command
to match! Young lads went aloft, in what can only be considered nothing
more, than an assortment of motorized box kites! Many air engagements,
found five year old Allied airplanes in the air, pitted against, newly
designed air war machines, hardly six months from the engineering drawing
boards, of the young, German design groups! 
	The box kites were falling out of the skies at an alarming rate, still
no one turned a finger to reverse the odds! 
	Somewhere in England two ladies sat and chatted about the one sided air
campaign. "Lily it will mean his death, sure as I sit here!" Margaret
said, in the fadining light of that rural kitchen setting. Slowly it was
the kerosine lamp that brought attention to the tightly drawn lips of the
two women. 
	To think of those boys "going up" in those damn bundle of sticks, then
falling like a lighted torch, burned to death, for England! For all the
good the boys can do in the sky, the planes may ae well be set afire down
here, on the ground, the lads will be saved for one thing! At the end of
the sentence, Margaret mouth dropped open, she turned to Lily, who also
was wide eyed, over the statement's promise. Yes, by God we'll torch the
damn things, then they build better ones! A thin smile, from both, was
enough of a statement of agreement, of approval blossomed on the
determined faces of both girls, in the kitchen lamp light.
	From those statements, Allen, the story builds and indeed a aircraft
factory, "goes up"! But here I am, in need of back ground data on English
air craft production. Our heros live in a rural setting outside of the
town of Marlow. So I've got to locate a logical aircraft plant to kindle!
My questions for you Mr. Wright, do you have any ideas as to where those
early plants were located? The wings, are our heros focal point, as the
wings were their covering and the dope coatings, were a bomb ready to
explode! Were, in England, was the aircraft and the wings fabricated. The
same location, as airplane assembly, I can think of a number of reasons
for some separation!
	Please do what you can, through your friends in your hobby, "Thank You"
indeed for taking your time to wade though this with me. 
				My Best Regards
                                                   Walt Jacobs
                                                 W7PVZ@juno.com


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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 05:55:50 +0000
From: Mike Dicianna <mikedc@dnc.net>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: PART P/E Sets
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19990201055550.006990fc@dnc.net>

If these photo/etched sets are available from Poland, perhaps Ivan has them
available through Silverbird?

How 'bout it?

I would like 2 sets of DXII, a snipe set and probably a couple more Toko SSW
D.III with sets for them also....

Mikedc
"Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer"


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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 15:44:55 +0100
From: Maciej Szymanski <mszyman@ibch.poznan.pl>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: PART P/E Sets
Message-ID: <36B5BDE7.26930288@ibch.poznan.pl>

Hi,

I can take orders for the p-e sets for trade (no money). For off topic subjects
contact me off-list ;-)

Maciej


-- 
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Maciej Szymanski
Poznan, Poland
mszyman@ibch.poznan.pl
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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 08:58:44 -0600
From: Kevin Wenker <kwenker@interaccess.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: February Internet Modeler
Message-ID: <36B5C124.3BF2@interaccess.com>

Bob Pearson wrote:
> 
> Greetings all,
> 
> Before Matt or Pedro scoop me yet again I'll announce that the new Internet
> Modeler is now up. 

Thanks for a nice issue, Bob.  One thing, though, which is really
peripheral to IM, but a direct result of it (huh?!?!):  Bob Karr needs
to be banned from this group.  We can use the public reason that he has
modelled too many WWII thingies.  That'll work.  The real reason, as we
all know, is he is just too darn good.  We need to reduce the field
among us to our lowest common denominator skill level.  That means he is
out and that Bittner fella is not far behind.  OFF WITH THEIR THUMBS.

Kevin W

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:37:19 -0200
From: "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: February Internet Modeler
Message-ID: <000a01be4df0$601aa000$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

I'm very impressed again. I have an abandoned MS from temeks gathering dust
on my shelves, and Monsieur Bittner article demonstrates what a beautiful
plane it could be with a little work and a lot of skill. In fact, I always
wanted to have a Jean Navarre's MS (don't know exactly what type) and M.
Bittner has inspired me again. Maybe one of this days I'll face the
challenge.
Off topic question: Mr. Pearson did a great job again, the tank,
mousquettière and profiles. The intriguing fact is the legend on the
Whirlwind "Bellows Argentina Nº 2". Would you explain this for me off list,
Bob? Thanks.
And about Mr. Karr... Well, I'm wordless.


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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:09:01 -0600
From: "Eli Geher" <iceman@ro.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Note to Allen Wright, where are the English Aircraft factories? (fwd)
Message-ID: <008a01be4dfd$531e1e60$706086d0@ELIGEHER>

The simplest answer to Mr. Jacobs' question is that the factories were
located anywhere and everywhere.  Fabrication of complete aircraft was
widely subcontracted within the existing british furniture and woodworking
industries. since it was mostly high quality cabinetwork.  Fokker and
Junkers in Germany were using major fabricated metal components at the end
of the war , but no british manufacturers were.

There is ample photographic proof that fabrication work on all major
components was done under one roof, although dope and paint might have been
done in adjoining buildings.  WWI era ideas on industrial safety and working
conditions were far different from current thinking in the industrialized
nations.

The complicated part of WWI aviation technology was the mass production of
engines, not of the airplanes themselves, or the airborne weaponry.

Eli Geher


From: Walter C Jacobs <w7pvz@juno.com>
>Subject: Note to Allen Wright, where are the English Aircraft factories?

> From those statements, Allen, the story builds and indeed a aircraft
>factory, "goes up"! But here I am, in need of back ground data on English
>air craft production. Our heros live in a rural setting outside of the
>town of Marlow. So I've got to locate a logical aircraft plant to kindle!
>My questions for you Mr. Wright, do you have any ideas as to where those
>early plants were located? The wings, are our heros focal point, as the
>wings were their covering and the dope coatings, were a bomb ready to
>explode! Were, in England, was the aircraft and the wings fabricated. The
>same location, as airplane assembly, I can think of a number of reasons
>for some separation!



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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:01:13 +0100
From: "Tom Werner Hansen" <tomwerner.hansen@of.telia.no>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: February Internet Modeler
Message-ID: <199902011609.RAA24796@d1o211.telia.com>

Greetings.

No need to ban Bob, this time he really went too far. Obviously, the key to
the answer lies in the end of his article. He thanks:

"and Tony Manninen for obtaining some key information, a big thanks! I
couldn't have done it without ya!"

neclecting to say that this information was the key to locating the
airfield in Northern Finland where Bob went clandestinly to photograph the
exterior shots of the Finnish Air Force's most closely guarded secret: the
still operational Blenheim squadron the Finns have kept secret from the
Russians for years.

The only thing I haven't figured out is how he managed to get the snow to
look so much like a tablecloth with a crease. It must have something to do
with saunas and Finnish vodka.

Tom

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> From: Kevin Wenker <kwenker@interaccess.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: Re: February Internet Modeler
> Date: 01. februar 1999 15:57
> 
> Bob Pearson wrote:
> > 
> > Greetings all,
> > 
> > Before Matt or Pedro scoop me yet again I'll announce that the new
Internet
> > Modeler is now up. 
> 
> Thanks for a nice issue, Bob.  One thing, though, which is really
> peripheral to IM, but a direct result of it (huh?!?!):  Bob Karr needs
> to be banned from this group.  We can use the public reason that he has
> modelled too many WWII thingies.  That'll work.  The real reason, as we
> all know, is he is just too darn good.  We need to reduce the field
> among us to our lowest common denominator skill level.  That means he is
> out and that Bittner fella is not far behind.  OFF WITH THEIR THUMBS.
> 
> Kevin W

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:11:17 -0700 
From: "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" <Michael.Satin@shepards.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Wilhelm Frankl info?
Message-ID: <5DA4C4BE65D9D111A6FC0060081FD2189E71D7@SNEFFELS>

"His E.III is shown but is a standard E.III with no special markings."
Dennis Ugulano
email:  Uggies@compuserve.com

Dennis,
	I've been looking for info on this fellow for some time.  Never
thought to ask the list (duh!).  Does this note mean that his E.III didn't
even have a serial number?  Any idea where I can get a copy of the book you
mention (a reasonable facsimile would suffice)?  The idea of a German Jewish
ace is more than I can leave alone.  Thanks!

Michael Satin
Michael.Satin@shepards.com

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:21:35 -0800
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: "AAA - WW1 Group" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Tommy Morse help needed
Message-ID: <199902012120.VAA19265@beryl.sol.co.uk>

Hi guys
This chap has sent me a plea for help on the S4C - anybody able to provide
what he needs? Please contact him direct.
Sandy

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> From: Jim Landon <James.D.Landon@lmco.com>
> To: cbbs@almac.co.uk
> Subject: Admiring your models
> Date: 01 February 1999 12:10
> 
> Hello there,
> 
> I am looking at your model WWI biplanes at
http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Adam/index.html.
> 
> Please forgive this intrusion.  No, you don't know me.  No, I'm not
trying to
> sell you anything.  I just stumbled across the WWI model web page.
> 
> I am building a balsa and tissue scale model of the 1917 era "Thomas
Morse S4C
> Scout".  I decided to add moveable flaps to the model, even though the
kit did
> not provide for it.  As I work on the model I find myself becoming more
and
> more fascinated with WWI biplanes and airplanes in general.  I've decided
to
> try to make a working simulation of the flap control linkage.  Maybe even
try
> to link everything to a "stick" and rudder pedals in the cockpit.
> 
> I would like to know where I can go to find photos or diagrams for the
control
> linkage on WWI biplanes.  I purchased a book at a hobby shop on WWI
biplanes,
> and I've
> downloaded numerous photos of WWI biplanes from the www, but none of them
show
> the guts ... just the exterior.  I can't even find anybody who can tell
me how
> many degrees of travel the ailerons should have.  Right now I have 20
degrees
> up and 20 degrees down ... with no clue as to whether this is "close" or
"no
> way".  Except one fuzzy photo of a Sopwith Camel that has it's left
aileron
> hanging down at an angle that looks like something between 15 and 45
degrees.
> 
> The instruction sheet for the model only shows dashed outlines of the
flaps,
> dashed outlines for the holes in the fuselage where the control cables
and
> push rods enter the fuselage, and line drawings that show how to use
black
> thread to simulate the control cables and guy wires.  I am proceding as
best I
> can based on this minimal information.
> 
> Any guidance would be sincerely appreciated.
> 
> To see who this idiot is that is writing this e-mail to you, please visit
my
> web site at:
> 
> http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/landoni/index.html
> 
> To see my section on the Thomas Morse S4C Scout, click on the last hot
link in
> the list entitled: "Click here to visit my BALSA MODEL S4C SCOUT (WWI
> biplane).  If for any reason the link does not work ... since I am
strictly
> amateur at web site building, go to:
> 
> http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/titanman/page6.html
> 
> Thank you in advance for your time and patience any any help you might be
able
> to provide.
> 
> Jim Landon

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