WWI Digest 1423 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) PART p/e availability by Matthew E Bittner 2) Some more Boarding by John & Allison Cyganowski 3) Re: Some more Boarding by "The Shannons" 4) Re: PART p/e availability by Mike Dicianna 5) Vacations by "Alexandre de C. Triffoni" 6) Re: PART p/e availability by Matthew E Bittner 7) Web page at last! by Dennis Ugulano 8) Re: Web page at last! by Zulis@aol.com 9) Re: Web page at last! by Pedro e Francisca Soares 10) Re: Web page at last! by Ernest Thomas 11) Re: PART p/e availability by Bob Pearson 12) Re: Web page at last! by "Steven M. Perry" 13) Salamander Camouflage by "K. Hagerup" 14) Re: Some more Boarding by "K. Hagerup" 15) Re: Web page at last! by KarrArt@aol.com 16) Re: Web page at last! by Matthew E Bittner 17) Re: Salamander Camouflage by Dennis Ugulano 18) Re: Web page at last! by Dennis Ugulano 19) Re: Web page at last! by Zulis@aol.com 20) RE: Web page at last! by Shane Weier 21) Web page at last. by Mike Dicianna 22) Eduard Fokker E.III WAS: Visit to UK - 2 SADISTS by Shane Weier 23) RE: Finding a pilot (Bertrab/Bertrass) by Shane Weier 24) RE: Blue Max DH2 by "Robert Woodbury" 25) Greven's SSW D.III by lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) 26) Re: Web page at last! by "David Vosburgh" 27) Re: Greven's SSW D.III by Bob Pearson 28) Re: Some more Boarding by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 29) Re: Greven's SSW D.III by Bob Pearson 30) Re: Web page at last! by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 31) Re: Web page at last! by Mike Fletcher ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:02:24 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: PART p/e availability Message-ID: <19990131.110226.-915527.1.mbittner@juno.com> Hustad and I were talking the other day, and he's surprised and the unavailability of the new PART WW1 photoetch over here, in the States. Is this true? I have seen none of the "usual places" carry the WW1 stuff. However, I have had an inquiry from one of the shops that if there's a "large enough" desire for the p/e, he will try to get it in stock. So my question to the list: is there a want from this general populace for the PART WW1 p/e? He never mentioned anything about "numbers", but if the desire is there, he may try to order some. I already know that Hustad is interested in the D.XII set, so there's "one". :-) If you're wondering what I'm talking about, visit Internet Modeler at: http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/nr_aviation-brass.shtml Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:09:13 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Some more Boarding Message-ID: <36B48E1D.73A7@worldnet.att.net> Bob Pearson Wrote: >While going through THE JASTA PILOTS on an unrelated matter I came >across a photo of a pilot boarding his D.VII (from the left). There is a picture of Lt Franz Ray in Datafile #1 boarding his D.III from the starboard side. Maybe it was all just personal preference? Um...Wasn't it Sandy who has accused MvR of boarding from both sides of the aircraft? Almost Sorry, Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 13:00:35 -0600 From: "The Shannons" To: Subject: Re: Some more Boarding Message-ID: <00a901be4d4b$fd52caa0$6f215dcf@default> U.S. Naval planes, in general, seem to have developed into boarding from the starboard side in the second unpleasantness. May have had to do with boarding from the side nearest the squadron ready rooms in the island structure of carriers. Seems to have been a long period of bi-sidedness, anyway. After all, there were a certain set of car-doored aircraft that could be entered either side, and the twin and multi engined jobs had entry doors on either side, the wheel wells, or underneath in general depending on the tastes of the designers. A certain off-topic British pair of everlasting fame were built with one being left hand, one right hand entry. Chacon a son gout (and sorry for no accents) Mark. -----Original Message----- From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, January 31, 1999 11:27 AM Subject: Some more Boarding >Bob Pearson Wrote: > >>While going through THE JASTA PILOTS on an unrelated matter I came >across a photo of a pilot boarding his D.VII (from the left). > >There is a picture of Lt Franz Ray in Datafile #1 boarding his D.III >from the starboard side. Maybe it was all just personal preference? > >Um...Wasn't it Sandy who has accused MvR of boarding from both sides of >the aircraft? > >Almost Sorry, >Cyg. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:18:56 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: PART p/e availability Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19990131111856.0070ff20@dnc.net> >I already know that Hustad is interested in the D.XII set, so there's >"one". :-) > >If you're wondering what I'm talking about, visit Internet Modeler at: > >http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/nr_aviation-brass.shtml > > >I'm also really interested in the DXII and Snipe sets. Just from the write up in Internet Modeller (the pictures came up with little "red X") Are these photoetched sets in the collections of some of our European bretheren? Do they alone have access to these sets? Is this some kind of Eurodollar conspiracy? Inquiring minds want to know! Mikedc "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:27:30 -0200 From: "Alexandre de C. Triffoni" To: Subject: Vacations Message-ID: <199901311926.RAA29071@srv1-cas.cas.nutecnet.com.br> Hi all, I'm finally on vacations and I'm going to travel to my home town. I'll be back last February. I'll be unsubscribing until there. If one of you need to contact me during this period, please, send me an e-mail directly. I'll reply it as soon as possible. See you there ! Best regards, Alexandre - atcampos@nutecnet.com.br ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 13:45:33 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: PART p/e availability Message-ID: <19990131.134542.-845955.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 31 Jan 1999 14:19:46 -0500 (EST) Mike Dicianna writes: >I'm also really interested in the DXII and Snipe sets. Just from the >write up in Internet Modeller (the pictures came up with little "red >X") >Are these photoetched sets in the collections of some of our European >bretheren? Do they alone have access to these sets? I'm one of the lucky few to have a set of each, primarily because of a contact I have there. :-) So far I have only heard of their availability in Poland, so how's to say. If I see enough of a "want", then I'll tell the one mail order contact I have to order a set number. He mentioned he would try to get them in for the people who want them, but wouldn't keep any in stock. He said is worse movers are photoetch sets. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:38:06 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Web page at last! Message-ID: <199901311538_MC2-68B5-718D@compuserve.com> Everybody, Believe it or not, my web page is up. The address is below. Let me know if it works. I have three of my models on it. I had some problems with the DH-5. Seems the proportions are wrong. Not sure what happened. DURAS is not working at this time but Tech Support is working on it. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies/ Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:56:42 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Web page at last! Message-ID: <2db0aeb7.36b4c38a@aol.com> In a message dated 1/31/99 3:41:19PM, Dennis announces: << Believe it or not, my web page is up. The address is below. Let me know if it works. I have three of my models on it. I had some problems with the DH-5. Seems the proportions are wrong. >> Dennis - I have been looking forward to this for awhile, and the first couple of planes (or two and a half actually) look great! I purchased the Voisin kit, but have been walking around it suspiciously ever since. I will print out copies of yours and put them in the box for when I get the courage up. You are a funny guy - suckered me in completely. When you said you were having problems with the DH-5, I almost didn't look (thinking I would wait until you had sorted them out). And I thought 1/72 was tiny..... Thanks for posting these.... eagerly looking forward to more model pics as you add them. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:06:09 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Web page at last! Message-ID: <36B4C5C1.5C92A45C@mail.telepac.pt> Way to Go Dennis. Nice Voisin. I'm still amazed at how fast you can put such complicated kits together. Great work. Want to see more. Dennis Ugulano wrote: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:19:27 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Web page at last! Message-ID: <36B4C8DF.6C5E@bellsouth.net> Dennis, I hate you! E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 13:15:47 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: PART p/e availability Message-ID: <199901312115.NAA17149@spare.rapidnet.net> Mike writes . .. > >If you're wondering what I'm talking about, visit Internet Modeler at: > > > >http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/nr_aviation-brass.shtml > > > > > >I'm also really interested in the DXII and Snipe sets. Just from the > write up in Internet Modeller (the pictures came up with little "red X") > Are these photoetched sets in the collections of some of our European > bretheren? Do they alone have access to these sets? Mike, I thought perhaps Chris had already removed them in preparation for February's IM going up tonight, but I just tried the URL above and I get all images. As of tomorrow the PART reviews can be found in the IM archives. Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 aviation page at http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:26:28 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Web page at last! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990131162628.00685608@pop.mindspring.com> Simply beautiful models Dennis. I like the page design too. Well worth the wait :-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:54:30 -0600 From: "K. Hagerup" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Salamander Camouflage Message-ID: <36B4D115.4005@prodigy.net> Does any of the august members here have an opinion on the accuracy of the arrangement of the experimental camouflage colors in the Toko kit's instructions compared to those in WWI British Aeroplane Colours and Markings? Rimmel cites: Dark Purple Earth, Green, Light Green-Grey, Light Earth, and Vandyke Brown (substitute for black) Toko claims: Matt WWI Purple, Green, Matt Slate Grey, Matt Radome Tan, and Black The colors are relatively close, but there are significant differences between the two interpretations of how the colors are assigned to the shapes in the photos (and Rimmel's painting of the shapes is different from the photos, especially on the upper right wing). Looking at the photos of the Salamander on page 17 (also page 49 of the Squadron Sopwith Fighters in action) neither Toko nor Rimmel seems to have gotten it exactly right, but Toko looks a little closer to me. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:14:35 -0600 From: "K. Hagerup" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Some more Boarding Message-ID: <36B4D5CB.6F1@prodigy.net> > U.S. Naval planes, in general, seem to have developed into boarding from the > starboard side in the second unpleasantness. May have had to do with > boarding from the side nearest the squadron ready rooms in the island > structure of carriers. I don't think there are any ready rooms in the island; they're under the flight deck on the gallery deck, or under the hangar bay. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:22:25 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Web page at last! Message-ID: In a message dated 1/31/99 12:41:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, Uggies@compuserve.com writes: << http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/uggies/ >> Re the Dh-5..........YOU ARE A SICK MAN! Good job! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:38:12 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Web page at last! Message-ID: <19990131.163813.-916115.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:38:46 -0500 (EST) Dennis Ugulano writes: > Believe it or not, my web page is up. Quite nice indeed! Great job. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 18:16:30 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Salamander Camouflage Message-ID: <199901311816_MC2-68AF-53E3@compuserve.com> Ken, >> Does any of the august members here have an opinion on the accuracy of the arrangement of the experimental camouflage colors in the Toko kit's instructions compared to those in WWI British Aeroplane Colours and Markings? << I built the Pegasus kit a couple of years ago and here are the colors I used: Methuen FS Dark Purple-Earth 9F5 10075 Dark Green 30F2 34064 Light Earth 6B4 31575 Light Green-Grey 30B2 34554 Unbleached linen 4A3 23711 Here is the disclaimer on the kit colors: "Please note: All Colour references given are approximate, and are offered as a guide only. All Colours issued from the Ministry of Munitions in 1916 were used as a broad guide, with a reasonable amount of variation occurring in the field." As far as the pattern, the TOKO kit appears to follow one of the variations as found on Page 49 of Sopwith Fighters in Action # 1110. The Pegasus kit follows the color scheme on the center page of the In Action book. Of the TOKO kits I have built (5 to date) I have found their colors to be very suspect. They have come up with colors that I personally have never seen before. I went with Pegasus/Rimell colors and am very pleased with the results. Go with either scheme as they both are documented. Use the Methuen and FS as color guides and go from there. It is a very striking aeroplane. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 18:32:11 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Web page at last! Message-ID: <199901311832_MC2-68B2-8A15@compuserve.com> Dave, Thank you. >> suckered me in completely. << I have a real problem taking life serious as you can tell. The kit is a snap together, 1/187 scale and came from a cereal box from England. I had about 6 of them. I think I have one left. Some met a horrible fate. While I was away for a week, my son (then 7) glued four of them together. Sigh. There is an interior and seat that I added but other than that it's straight out of the (cereal) box. There I go again. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 18:37:13 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Web page at last! Message-ID: <5e8ab021.36b4e929@aol.com> In a message dated 1/31/99 6:33:45PM, Dennis wrote... << but other than that it's straight out of the (cereal) box >> LOL! I must be eating the wrong brand of cereal. No WWI planes have ever appeared on my breakfast table. Were the other subjects WWI as well? DZ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:46:41 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Web page at last! Message-ID: DZ, > LOL! I must be eating the wrong brand of cereal. No WWI > planes have ever appeared on my breakfast table. > Were the other subjects WWI as well? > That *I* know of, an Albatros D.II and Fokker D.VII. Rimell reckons them to be 1/167 scale. I don't know, but you could make a neat-oh diorama with a real (1/48) model aircraft and some blackhands making a model, model airplane Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:51:56 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Web page at last. Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19990131155156.0069af84@dnc.net> Wonderful work...Love that Voison! Where do you buy the Gallon Jars of Testors???? Mikedc "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:10:06 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Eduard Fokker E.III WAS: Visit to UK - 2 SADISTS Message-ID: David, > Aw c'om Robert and Shane put us out of our misery, is the answer one > missing on the kit or one too many ribs ? Sorry to be slow in answering this. The Eduard kit has 11 rib stations (if you exclude the one at the wing root) The E.III has 12 rib stations excluding the one at the root. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:16:58 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Finding a pilot (Bertrab/Bertrass) Message-ID: Mick, > > I have seen this a/c described as purple with a white > > outlined red comet (that was how I profiled it), however > > black with the comet now seems more likely. > > No, I'd still go with red on [camouflage] purple. See > my up-coming post to Dave V. for a more detailed account. Not fair mate. I've been waiting on you for ages and still no post about the JvB Albatros D.III FWIW, RLR has it in the D.III datafile that the fuselage is black; in the later Albatros Fighters special he's changed his mind to purple. The Profipack version of the Eduard Albatros D.III includes the comet marking (in eccchhy pink and white) and tells you to paint the fuselage "WW1 Purple". Maybe, but I'd have thought it'd predate the general use of German purple in camo schemes so *if* it's really purple the paint may just a s likely be locally mixed. FWIW, I doubt if it's purple. With ortho film it'd need to be a very reddish (liver coloured) purple to be as black as it appears. JUST an off the cuff opinion. I'd love to hear Rimells and other expertens analyses. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:42:17 +0800 From: "Robert Woodbury" To: Subject: RE: Blue Max DH2 Message-ID: <000201be4d7b$b7ef9300$91107482@robertw-pc-fl.per.clw.csiro.au> Hi All, As one of my on-again/off-again modelling projects I've been doing some work on my BM Airco DH2 over the past week. It's a beautiful kit, no doubt about it and will be a great addition to my collection once finished but getting it finished... So far I have constructed the tail booms. As Bill and others have commented they are difficult to construct and the parts supplied in the kit don't make life much easier. The supplied interboom struts are way too short. The idea to produce them to true scale size is a good one but that results in the struts hanging in mid-air. My solution- use the supplied strut material to make new ones of a greater length. The whole structure was then glued using epoxy- very small drops. So far it seems to be holding. Of course, using this strut material has left me short for the interplane struts. For these I've been using a sheet of light coloured veneer from which I've cut a strip and am now cutting to length and shaping struts much as I would the supplied plastic material. The advantage is that I'm now using real wood which looks 100% better than any painted plastic. Next up? Well, I'd like to get started on the fuselage nacelle. The fabric panels are in place- a tip here- use CA and work slowly from one end making sure that you get the panel in the right location before gluing. The engine is glued and painted and looking for a home! I'll keep you all up to date as I progress (slowly). Rob > I got started on the Blue Max DH2, no particular problems yet, but I can > see that the tail booms and I will have some disageements. > There are three problems I can see...... > > The booms to wings joint. I guess the way to go here is to assemble the > booms and wings more or less complete, then drill suitably angled holes in > the wings to get the booms into? The 1:1 version seems to have had the > booms attached to the junction of the inner struts and wing spars. > > The booms to interboom struts joints. The 1:1 seems to have had > wrap around > metal fittings on the booms, to tubular ends on the struts. (Or maybe the > struts were metal tubes with wooden fairings?). Anyhow, I can't see me > getting a sound joint between the thin strut ends and the steel > tube booms, > even with superglue, and still having a reasonable scale size. > > The other related issue on the booms is how am I going to attach the > bracing wires to these boom/strut junctions, without ending up with > horrible glue globs. > > Anyone got experiences with Blue Maxes DH2 they could share with me? > > Thanks > Bill Neill. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 01:10:35 GMT From: lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Greven's SSW D.III Message-ID: <36b5fdb0.23487521@legend.firstsaga.com> Hi All, Some great pics showing up all over this place lately. Between Dennis' Voison and the digital pic of Matt's Nie 28.... Anyway...I've just about gotten to the painting stage on the Toko SSW D.III and I plan to do it in Lt Greven's scheme...courtesy of the B. Pearson profile. Just two quick questions: Were the fuselage struts and under-carriage in white as shown and was the elevator blue or does it have lozenge ? TIA Len ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 20:13:22 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Web page at last! Message-ID: <001c01be4d80$10d80de0$0fd690d0@Pvosburg> FWIW, these kitlets were reviewed in depth by Alex Campbell in the July '72 issue of 'Scale Models'. According to him they came in boxes of "Puffa-Puffa Rice" and "Coco-Pops" cereals (!), and he described them as "little gems, even the types have not been 'done to death'". Besides the D.H.5, there were a Bristol M1C monoplane, Sopwith Pup, Fokker D.VIII, Albatros D.II, and S.E.5a. Regards, DV -----Original Message----- From: Zulis@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, January 31, 1999 8:22 PM Subject: Re: Web page at last! >In a message dated 1/31/99 6:33:45PM, Dennis wrote... > ><< but other than that it's > straight out of the (cereal) box >> > >LOL! I must be eating the wrong brand of cereal. No WWI planes have ever >appeared on my breakfast table. Were the other subjects WWI as well? > >DZ > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:02:57 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Greven's SSW D.III Message-ID: <199902010102.RAA18593@spare.rapidnet.net> Yikes . ...... Perhaps I should replavce that profile with the more recent one I did for IM. Those struts are light grey, while the elevator is blue Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 aviation page at http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/ ---------- > From: lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Greven's SSW D.III > Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 20:09:52 -0500 (EST) > > Hi All, > > Some great pics showing up all over this place lately. Between Dennis' > Voison and the digital pic of Matt's Nie 28.... > > Anyway...I've just about gotten to the painting stage on the Toko SSW > D.III and I plan to do it in Lt Greven's scheme...courtesy of the B. > Pearson profile. > > Just two quick questions: Were the fuselage struts and under-carriage > in white as shown and was the elevator blue or does it have lozenge ? > > TIA > > Len ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:16:45 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Some more Boarding Message-ID: <199902010116.RAA24416@compass.OregonVOS.net> >>While going through THE JASTA PILOTS on an unrelated matter I came >across a photo of a pilot boarding his D.VII (from the left). >There is a picture of Lt Franz Ray in Datafile #1 boarding his D.III >from the starboard side. Maybe it was all just personal preference? This would seem a bit strange. AFAIK, the Albatros fighters all had a boarding "step" on the left side of the fuselage but none on the right side. That would be a -big- step up without that "toehold" on the fuselage. Any possibility that this photo might be a "flipped" negative? Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:19:25 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Greven's SSW D.III Message-ID: <199902010119.RAA18688@spare.rapidnet.net> Len, I just looked at my IM profile of Greven's SSW and the cowl is in metal, with the panels behind it in white. Note there is no spinner on this a/c. Bob ---------- > From: lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Greven's SSW D.III > Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 20:09:52 -0500 (EST) > > Hi All, > > Some great pics showing up all over this place lately. Between Dennis' > Voison and the digital pic of Matt's Nie 28.... > > Anyway...I've just about gotten to the painting stage on the Toko SSW > D.III and I plan to do it in Lt Greven's scheme...courtesy of the B. > Pearson profile. > > Just two quick questions: Were the fuselage struts and under-carriage > in white as shown and was the elevator blue or does it have lozenge ? > > TIA > > Len ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:34:46 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Web page at last! Message-ID: <199902010134.RAA01181@compass.OregonVOS.net> DZ writes: >In a message dated 1/31/99 6:33:45PM, Dennis wrote... > ><< but other than that it's > straight out of the (cereal) box >> > >LOL! I must be eating the wrong brand of cereal. No WWI planes have ever >appeared on my breakfast table. Were the other subjects WWI as well? Kellogg's "Puffa Puffa Rice" and "Coco Pops" only, I'm afraid. And only in the United Kingdom during 1972. The full list was: Albatros D.II SE.5a Sopwith Camel DH.5 Bristol M.1C Fokker D.VIII According to Brad Hansen's book, these were closer to 1/160 to 1/167 scale than to 1/187 but having never actually -seen- one of these kits, I won't venture an opinion as to what the real scale might be. Apparently Cross and Cockade (GB) bought a bunch of surplus kits from Kellogg's after the cereal offer ended and offered them for sale (without the Puffa Puffa Rice) up through about 1976. Which althogether sounds like a much saner way to acquire them - as the kits were packaged in the cereal at random, one would have to consume a bodacious amount of Puffa Puffa Rice to have a reasonable chance of acquiring all six kits. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:38:37 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Web page at last! Message-ID: <3110199D.1EF327E1@mars.ark.com> On a related note - 'Kinder Eggs' have had some aircraft too - I gopt a Nieuport 11 and a Sopwith Pup. The only real problem with them is the interplane struts which were molded with the struts side by side instead of inline, and the undercarriage legs are too close together. In this series there was also a Junkers D.1 and iirc a late MoS monoplane. In other series they also had a Fokker D.VII on floats. (btw has anyone ever seen a real one on floats?) Shane Weier wrote: > > DZ, > > > LOL! I must be eating the wrong brand of cereal. No WWI > > planes have ever appeared on my breakfast table. > > Were the other subjects WWI as well? > > > > That *I* know of, an Albatros D.II and Fokker D.VII. > > Rimell reckons them to be 1/167 scale. I don't know, but you could make a > neat-oh diorama with a real (1/48) model aircraft and some blackhands making > a model, model airplane > > Shane -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1423 **********************