WWI Digest 1421 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Wilhelm Frankl info? by Dennis Ugulano 2) Re: Avro Triplane by Bill Neill 3) me am back by KarrArt@aol.com 4) Re: me am back by "Peter Crow" 5) Re: me am back by Zulis@aol.com 6) Re: me am back by KarrArt@aol.com 7) Re: Wilhelm Frankl info? by Dennis Ugulano 8) RE: Aussie D.H.9a by Shane Weier 9) RE: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette) by Shane Weier 10) RE: CSM prices by Shane Weier 11) Re: Wilhelm Frankl info? by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 12) RE: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette) by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 13) RE: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette) by Shane Weier 14) Re: Profiles by Rick Milas 15) Re: Avro Triplane by "Sandy Adam" 16) Re: CSM prices by "Sandy Adam" 17) Re: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette) by "Sandy Adam" 18) BM Junkers by "Sandy Adam" 19) Re: me am back by "Brad Gossen" 20) Model Comapanies by John & Allison Cyganowski 21) Re: Model Comapanies by "David Vosburgh" 22) Aces: Story of the First Air War by "Charles or Linda Duckworth" 23) RE: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette) by "Steven M. Perry" 24) Request for Off-Topic help by "Steven M. Perry" 25) RE: Aussie D.H.9a / Aircraft Locations? by "John C Glaser" 26) Re: Aussie D.H.9a / Aircraft Locations? by "Brad Gossen" 27) RE: Aces: Story of the First Air War by "John C Glaser" 28) RE: Aussie D.H.9a / Aircraft Locations? by "John C Glaser" 29) Re: Aussie D.H.9a / Aircraft Locations? by "Brad Gossen" 30) Whimsey, anyone? by thayer@sirius.com (thayer syme) 31) Re: Visit to UK - Science Museum by Pedro e Francisca Soares ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 21:12:49 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Wilhelm Frankl info? Message-ID: <199901292113_MC2-6891-CE1E@compuserve.com> Larry, >> Greetings! I'm looking for information about a German pilot: Lt. Wilhelm Frankl (16 Kills), Blue Max recipient. << Just got back from my library and found the booklet "The Jew with the Blue Max" by Heinz Joachim Nowarra. I got the book in 1968. Give me a little time and I will compile as much information as I can for you. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:31:54 -0500 From: Bill Neill To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Avro Triplane Message-ID: <199901292232_MC2-6897-1115@compuserve.com> Hi Sandy, Yes, I would greatly appreciate a scan of the instructions please. direct to billneill@compuserve.com if you could please. Thank You Bill Neill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 23:09:33 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: me am back Message-ID: <64b11af8.36b285fd@aol.com> Well boys and girls, it seems Uncle Robert K. has done went and got unsubscribed for some unknown reason, but I hope I'm back! Now tell me, what good stuff have I missed to day? Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:23:26 PST From: "Peter Crow" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: me am back Message-ID: <19990130042327.13310.qmail@hotmail.com> >Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 23:12:27 -0500 (EST) >Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >From: KarrArt@aol.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: me am back > >Well boys and girls, it seems Uncle Robert K. has done went and got >unsubscribed for some unknown reason, Must be a "West Coast" thing..;-) >> but I hope I'm back! Now tell me, what >good stuff have I missed to day? >Robert K. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 23:45:58 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: me am back Message-ID: <154bca58.36b28e86@aol.com> In a message dated 1/29/99 11:24:55PM, Peter wrote: << Must be a "West Coast" thing..;-) >> Nope.... happened to me up here in Canada, too. Second time this month - I was beginning to worry that I had annoyed Al somehow, but if RK got dumped too, at least I am in good company! :-) Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 23:55:38 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: me am back Message-ID: <7ad31d4e.36b290ca@aol.com> In a message dated 1/29/99 8:49:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, Zulis@aol.com writes: << << Must be a "West Coast" thing..;-) >> Nope.... happened to me up here in Canada, too. Second time this month - I was beginning to worry that I had annoyed Al somehow, but if RK got dumped too, at least I am in good company! :-) Dave Z >> Ahhhhhh......back home! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:06:13 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Wilhelm Frankl info? Message-ID: <199901300006_MC2-688E-ABAD@compuserve.com> Larry, Here is a brief dated History of Frankl. 12/20/1893 Born 8/20/1913 Obtained pilots license #490 1914 Enlisted in Flying Corp, joined F.Fl Abt 40 flew Albatros and LVG 'B' planes Spring 1915 Flew first C-planes near end 1915 F.Fl. Abt 40 received first E.III assigned to Frankl 1/10/1916 First victory, a Voisin 2/1/1916 Second victory, a Voisin 5/4/1916 Fourth victory, 5/1916 Promoted to Leutnant der Reserve 8/10/1916 Awarded Blue Max late 1916 Assigned to Jasta 4 late 1916 Test pilot for Fokker D.1 and Pfalz D.VI 1/23/1917 15th victory flying Albatros D.II 4/6/1917 Three victories in one day 4/8/1917 Killed in action over Vitry-Sailly Frankl learned to fly in The Melly Beese Taube, an LVG B.II, Albatros C.I, LVG C.II, Fokker E.III and Albatros D.II. His E.III is shown but is a standard E.III with no special markings. That's all I have for now. Any more questions let me know. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:28:49 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Aussie D.H.9a Message-ID: Dave, > Does anyone know what became of the Australian D.H.9a which was under > restoration and then got run into by a car (!) about six or > eight years ago? > I read about it in WWI Aero when it happened, but my > subscription lapsed and > I never found out whether it got repaired or not... It's featured all over the Nov/Dec 98 Windsock if you can get hold of it. In mid 97 I *literally* crawled over it (on a trestle, they wouldn't let me IN the thing) at the Treloar centre in Canberra where it was stored at the time. AFAIK it's still there though the AWM has modernised (ptuii..) their display athe the Memorial itself and moved a lot of stuff around. It *could* be almost anywhere in the country though, the AWM farms out items from its collection to other museums (eg NASMA - RAAF Mueum at Point Cook) When I looked it over (and expended three rolls of film) it was in nice nick, but missing the wings, stored elsewhere so they'd have room to place the AVRO 504 and Deperdussin monoplane next to it. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:35:04 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette) Message-ID: Dave, > I wonder if mounting a horse or airplane has any correlation > to what side of the car the driver sits on, and if Brits mount from the > right, since they drive on the right side of the car and the road. While I'm perfectly happy to agree that the Brits drive on the right side of the car and the road (right, as in correct), in fact they (and we) drive on the right side of the car and the LEFT side of the road. FWIW, I and anyone else in Australia who cose to do so would also mount a horse from the left. My understanding is that *horse* mounting is done that way due to the preponderance of right handed people having an easier time of it, including such things as balance and preventing a slung sabre from getting caught up. Getting back to topic, the AFC actually chose good horsemen for training as pilots for their presumed better balance and "lighter" hands. It seems to work that way, since I have read it as an official policy of the RFC too Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:46:18 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: CSM prices Message-ID: Martin, > When he told me what he was going to charge for the W.12, I > told him he won't sell very many. At that price it's 99% certain he won't sell me ANY, though I aleady have a couple of his kits. He does stnad *some* chance if the W.12 is from the 1395-1414 series, but the later are too easy to convert from other kits. I think that this points out where he needs to be going - popular subjects not already available or announced. Something that is getting harder and harder in these happy times. > So I think he is entitled to some profit for his sweat. I have no problem whatever with this and damn good luck to him. I wish I had the guts to drop my job and become a model producer. But sadly his financial needs and that of his customers clash, and choosing between feeding the kids or him is easy. Sometimes. ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 21:50:48 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Wilhelm Frankl info? Message-ID: <199901300550.VAA15559@compass.OregonVOS.net> Dennis writes: >Larry, > Here is a brief dated History of Frankl. >12/20/1893 Born >8/20/1913 Obtained pilots license #490 >1914 Enlisted in Flying Corp, joined F.Fl > Abt 40 flew Albatros and LVG 'B' planes >Spring 1915 Flew first C-planes >near end 1915 F.Fl. Abt 40 received first E.III > assigned to Frankl >1/10/1916 First victory, a Voisin >2/1/1916 Second victory, a Voisin >5/4/1916 Fourth victory, >5/1916 Promoted to Leutnant der Reserve >8/10/1916 Awarded Blue Max >late 1916 Assigned to Jasta 4 >late 1916 Test pilot for Fokker D.1 and Pfalz > D.VI >1/23/1917 15th victory flying Albatros D.II >4/6/1917 Three victories in one day >4/8/1917 Killed in action over Vitry-Sailly According to Franks, et al, "Above the Lines", omitted from the foregoing "victory" list are: 5/10/15 Voisin downed by -carbine- fire. Frankl awarded Iron Cross 1st Class for this action. (Actual 1st "victory") 1/19/16 Voisin downed near Woumen (actual 3rd "victory) 10/22/16 Actual 15th "victory" - Sop 1 1/2 Strutter of 45 Squadron near Driencourt. 4/7/17 20th "victory - Nieu 17 of 60 Sqdn near Fampoux "Above the Lines" does not note a "victory" on 1/23/17 and notes that of the 3 "victories" credited on 4/6/17, one was a night "victory". The date of his assignment to Jasta 4 is given as 9/1/16 with promotion to Staffelfuhrer of Jasta 4 on 1/1/17. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:02:32 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette) Message-ID: <199901300602.WAA21802@compass.OregonVOS.net> Shane writes: >Getting back to topic, the AFC actually chose good horsemen for training as >pilots for their presumed better balance and "lighter" hands. It seems to >work that way, since I have read it as an official policy of the RFC too Once upon a time, I saw a set of "Rules for Aviators" issued in circa 1920 for USAAC pilots. One of the rules, related as best I can recall it, was, "Pilots will not wear spurs while flying aircraft." It does seem that ex-cavalrymen were disproportionately represented among pilots for both sides in the conflict. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:15:10 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette) Message-ID: Bill, > > It does seem that ex-cavalrymen were disproportionately represented > among pilots for both sides in the conflict. > I dare say it doesn't hurt that the original concept of military aviation was as an airborne cavalry, with similar tasks - scouting, communications, exploitation of breakthroughs, harrassment of lines of communications and so on. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 01:49:07 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Milas To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Profiles Message-ID: Bob, Thanks again for the great Jasta profiles. Just checked out the new ones for Jastas 12 and 30. Rick Milas ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:28:49 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Avro Triplane Message-ID: <199901301039.KAA04143@beryl.sol.co.uk> Bill I'm sorry the scans were so big - it was only when I saw how long they were taking that I realised how big the files were. Hope it hasn't caused problems at your end. Let me know if you got them OK. Sandy ---------- > From: Bill Neill > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Avro Triplane > Date: 29 January 1999 19:35 > > Hi Sandy, > > Yes, I would greatly appreciate a scan of the instructions please. > direct to billneill@compuserve.com if you could please. > > Thank You > Bill Neill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:14:49 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: CSM prices Message-ID: <199901301039.KAA04137@beryl.sol.co.uk> > So let me get off my soapbox and back to work on my 1st Bavarian Ulan > Regiment officer and/or Nieuport 17 in Turkish markings. Many thanks for the interesting and informative reply Martin. I was surprised (and pleasd) to see CSM products on several stands at last years UK IPMS Nationals - so it looks like he's got the distribution reasonably well figured out. That being the case (and assuming he can make enough) it seems preferable to sell a high volume of cheaper kits rather than have one or two very expensive kits sitting unsold on the shelves of a trader who is rapidly becoming disenchanted with his stock. But what do I know? Maybe he makes more that way. All I can say is I have spent more than I care to count, on kits and books this past year; and $100 or $150 for an Eduard LTM-quality 1/48 injected Fdh, Caproni or Blackburn Kangaroo would have me reaching for my checkbook. But $100 for a short-run resin W.12? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:20:25 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette) Message-ID: <199901301039.KAA04140@beryl.sol.co.uk> > > > It does seem that ex-cavalrymen were disproportionately represented > > among pilots for both sides in the conflict. > I dare say it doesn't hurt that the original concept of military aviation > was as an airborne cavalry, with similar tasks... Choice of cavalrymen as pilots was mostly to do with having natural balance and awareness on a moving platform and a good eye for judging distances, movement and marksmanship, I believe. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:32:36 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: BM Junkers Message-ID: <199901301039.KAA04149@beryl.sol.co.uk> I know a few people were looking for a Blue Max J-9/D.I The current Kingkit catalogue has one at 24.99GBP if anyone is interested. e-mail is KingKit@compuserve.com FWIW Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 06:32:57 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: me am back Message-ID: <199901301143.GAA11205@mail5.globalserve.net> Pheeew!! I thought Al was pissed at me too! This is the third time for me since mid-December. Brad ---------- > From: Zulis@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: me am back > Date: Friday, January 29, 1999 11:48 PM > > In a message dated 1/29/99 11:24:55PM, Peter wrote: > > << Must be a "West Coast" thing..;-) >> > > Nope.... happened to me up here in Canada, too. Second time this month - I > was beginning to worry that I had annoyed Al somehow, but if RK got dumped > too, at least I am in good company! :-) > > Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 07:04:42 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Model Comapanies Message-ID: <36B2F55A.3034@worldnet.att.net> I have been digesting the "sissy boys" thread over the last few days. Maybe I am missing the point. Personally I would be thrilled to see a major company release a new WWI topic kit. Who wasn't delighted to have DML release the "Knights of the Air" series? Is there anybody here who was not diappointed when they dropped the Camel project, then got out of WWI altogether? The big boys have the wherewithall to produce a quality kit and the economy of scale to keep the price down. I think Eduard is making great kits and choosing great subjects. I also think they are vastly improved from only a few years ago and their committment to the genre is impressive. I am happy to have them. I just wish we could get Tamiya, Hasegawa, or Revell-Monogram interested in 3 wings. Who will not buy a new 1/48 scale Fairey Swordfish simply because it is made by Tamiya? Okay, but Bittner is a rule unto himself. ;-) Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 08:25:07 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Model Comapanies Message-ID: <004401be4c53$f4e50980$16d690d0@Pvosburg> -----Original Message----- From: John & Allison Cyganowski Date: Saturday, January 30, 1999 9:03 AM Subject: Model Comapanies <> >Who will not buy a new 1/48 scale Fairey Swordfish simply because it is >made by Tamiya? Okay, but Bittner is a rule unto himself. ;-) > >Cyg. > Well, besides Matt, there's probably the guy in the March FSM who spent a zillion hours on re-working the SMER kit. Where will this all end? Next thing we know Tamiya will come out with a Gladiator or a Hart, since they saw action in WWII as well... Wishfully thinking, DV ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 07:49:36 -0600 From: "Charles or Linda Duckworth" To: "ww1list" Subject: Aces: Story of the First Air War Message-ID: <199901301342.HAA04985@mail.primary.net> If you have a spare $19.95 (+$4.95 shipping) laying around I highly recommend buying Aces: Story of the First Air War Zenith Books is currently carrying it unber item number 125723. 93 minutes covering a grandfather enlisting in the Canadian Artillery, then to a Ballon Company and finally into the air service. Lots of footage of a/c that I've never seen on film before, Bristol Scouts, RE7's, BE12's, Maurice Farmans, Martinsyde M.100, Fokker D.I, also covers the more well known types such as the RE8's, Sopwiths 1 1/2, Eindecker, Camels, Triplanes on period film. I have the four volume set Four Years of Thunder and believe this tape actually covers more aircraft types. Zenith's number is 1-800-826-6600. Charlie - nr: Air-Britain's SE5 File (Christmas present just arrived - 35 days surface mailing from London). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 09:29:42 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990130092942.00a38438@pop.mindspring.com> >It does seem that ex-cavalrymen were disproportionately represented >among pilots for both sides in the conflict. Recon was a traditional job of the cavalry. When airplanes were first used for recon, they wanted to send up people experienced in observing and reporting. The cavalry was a good place to find such people. Add to that the fact that by the time air recon got into gear, the front had stabilized and it was no longer a war of movement. So many accounts by cavalrymen turned aviator mention the frusteration of serving in the trenches to soldiers trained to move and maneuver like the cavalry. Relative to the risks of trench life, the risks of flying didn't seem so bad and the freedom of the sky suited a cavalryman's general outlook better than the confinement of the trenches. I also gather the impression that cavalry officers often were allowed to transfer voluntarally. I also got the general impression that many enlisted (Cav and inf.)men who became aviators did so as a result of being wounded and taken off active duty. While considered unfit for the front lines they were allowed to serve in the air. Due perhaps to the fact that those in authority at the time were trained before aircraft were in use and figured that since the applicant for transfer was of no further use in the trenches and was crazy enough to want to fly, then let him. Just my laymans observations sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 09:52:29 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Request for Off-Topic help Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990130095229.00a383b8@pop.mindspring.com> I just received the Wms. Bros. Lockeed Electra, (Thanks Barry). This is to build for my stepfather whom I believe has had the hots for Amelia Earhart since he was a kid. :-) Can anyone experienced in modeling Alumi-thingies give me some Off-List advice on aluminum finishes? I promise not to reveal your identity to the list. ;-) TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 08:59:32 -0600 From: "John C Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Aussie D.H.9a / Aircraft Locations? Message-ID: <000b01be4c61$24db8ee0$f011820a@johng-home> This may well have been asked on the list before but here goes anyway........... Does anyone have or know the whereabouts of a database or list of on-topic aircraft examples still in existence? I was thinking of a list of type and current physical location. Possibly to include original examples and quality 1:1 reproductions such as the San Diego Eindekker. I know that some list members, Dave Zulis comes to mind, are like myself, compulsive list keepers :). I also believe that (sometimes?) existent examples are listed at the back of Windsock Datafiles. Perhaps someone with a more complete library than mine has compiled a list. - John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:10:49 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Aussie D.H.9a / Aircraft Locations? Message-ID: <199901301521.KAA16968@mail5.globalserve.net> John Ray Rimell is way ahead of you. Try to find a copy of 'World War One Survivors' published in 1990 by Aston Publications Ltd. and distributed by Motorbooks International. ISBN 0 946627 44 4. The book tells you everything you want to know about all known surviving WWI aircraft, including, serials, individual history (as far as known), and whereabouts. The book is still kicking around as far as I know. I'm pretty sure I saw a copy fairly recently in a bookstore here in Toronto. Brad BigglesRFC@globalserve.net ---------- > From: John C Glaser > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Aussie D.H.9a / Aircraft Locations? > Date: Saturday, January 30, 1999 9:59 AM > > This may well have been asked on the list before but here goes > anyway........... > > Does anyone have or know the whereabouts of a database or list of on-topic > aircraft examples still in existence? I was thinking of a list of type and > current physical location. Possibly to include original examples and > quality 1:1 reproductions such as the San Diego Eindekker. I know that some > list members, Dave Zulis comes to mind, are like myself, compulsive list > keepers :). I also believe that (sometimes?) existent examples are listed > at the back of Windsock Datafiles. Perhaps someone with a more complete > library than mine has compiled a list. > > - John > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 09:24:44 -0600 From: "John C Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Aces: Story of the First Air War Message-ID: <000c01be4c64$aa0d6e00$f011820a@johng-home> Also available at Amazon.com at $16.99 USD plus S&H. - John -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu] On Behalf Of Charles or Linda Duckworth Sent: Saturday, January 30, 1999 7:43 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Aces: Story of the First Air War If you have a spare $19.95 (+$4.95 shipping) laying around I highly recommend buying Aces: Story of the First Air War Zenith Books is currently carrying it unber item number 125723. 93 minutes covering a grandfather enlisting in the Canadian Artillery, then to a Ballon Company and finally into the air service. Lots of footage of a/c that I've never seen on film before, Bristol Scouts, RE7's, BE12's, Maurice Farmans, Martinsyde M.100, Fokker D.I, also covers the more well known types such as the RE8's, Sopwiths 1 1/2, Eindecker, Camels, Triplanes on period film. I have the four volume set Four Years of Thunder and believe this tape actually covers more aircraft types. Zenith's number is 1-800-826-6600. Charlie - nr: Air-Britain's SE5 File (Christmas present just arrived - 35 days surface mailing from London). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 09:45:26 -0600 From: "John C Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Aussie D.H.9a / Aircraft Locations? Message-ID: <000d01be4c67$8ed8d4f0$f011820a@johng-home> Amazon shows it as OOP. I guess I'll try Aeroplane Books. Any other suggestions? - John -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu] On Behalf Of Brad Gossen Sent: Saturday, January 30, 1999 9:12 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Aussie D.H.9a / Aircraft Locations? John Ray Rimell is way ahead of you. Try to find a copy of 'World War One Survivors' published in 1990 by Aston Publications Ltd. and distributed by Motorbooks International. ISBN 0 946627 44 4. The book tells you everything you want to know about all known surviving WWI aircraft, including, serials, individual history (as far as known), and whereabouts. The book is still kicking around as far as I know. I'm pretty sure I saw a copy fairly recently in a bookstore here in Toronto. Brad BigglesRFC@globalserve.net ---------- > From: John C Glaser > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Aussie D.H.9a / Aircraft Locations? > Date: Saturday, January 30, 1999 9:59 AM > > This may well have been asked on the list before but here goes > anyway........... > > Does anyone have or know the whereabouts of a database or list of on-topic > aircraft examples still in existence? I was thinking of a list of type and > current physical location. Possibly to include original examples and > quality 1:1 reproductions such as the San Diego Eindekker. I know that some > list members, Dave Zulis comes to mind, are like myself, compulsive list > keepers :). I also believe that (sometimes?) existent examples are listed > at the back of Windsock Datafiles. Perhaps someone with a more complete > library than mine has compiled a list. > > - John > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:06:20 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Aussie D.H.9a / Aircraft Locations? Message-ID: <199901301616.LAA19573@mail5.globalserve.net> John Last time I saw it was at Aviation World in Toronto. Try www.aviationworld.net/ or phone (toll free) 1 800 668-1987 and ask for Andy, he's the book specialist. If he's not there Bill or Mark would know. Brad BigglesRFC@globalserve.net ---------- > From: John C Glaser > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Aussie D.H.9a / Aircraft Locations? > Date: Saturday, January 30, 1999 10:46 AM > > Amazon shows it as OOP. I guess I'll try Aeroplane Books. Any other > suggestions? > > - John > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu] On Behalf Of Brad > Gossen > Sent: Saturday, January 30, 1999 9:12 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Aussie D.H.9a / Aircraft Locations? > > John > Ray Rimell is way ahead of you. Try to find a copy of 'World War One > Survivors' published in 1990 by Aston Publications Ltd. and distributed by > Motorbooks International. ISBN 0 946627 44 4. The book tells you everything > you want to know about all known surviving WWI aircraft, including, > serials, individual history (as far as known), and whereabouts. The book > is still kicking around as far as I know. I'm pretty sure I saw a copy > fairly recently in a bookstore here in Toronto. > > Brad > BigglesRFC@globalserve.net > > ---------- > > From: John C Glaser > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: RE: Aussie D.H.9a / Aircraft Locations? > > Date: Saturday, January 30, 1999 9:59 AM > > > > This may well have been asked on the list before but here goes > > anyway........... > > > > Does anyone have or know the whereabouts of a database or list of > on-topic > > aircraft examples still in existence? I was thinking of a list of type > and > > current physical location. Possibly to include original examples and > > quality 1:1 reproductions such as the San Diego Eindekker. I know that > some > > list members, Dave Zulis comes to mind, are like myself, compulsive list > > keepers :). I also believe that (sometimes?) existent examples are > listed > > at the back of Windsock Datafiles. Perhaps someone with a more complete > > library than mine has compiled a list. > > > > - John > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 09:09:54 -0800 From: thayer@sirius.com (thayer syme) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Whimsey, anyone? Message-ID: Jason McGuire has designed a delightful flying model, with a strong resemblance to the early machines we all love. A kit manufacturer has expressed interest, but we haven't come up with a good name for it. To help out, I have put up a form to field suggestions for a name. If you are so inclined, swing on by my web site, and follow the links for What's New, and the McGuire Quadruplane. A free plan, and eternal gratitude, will be forwarded to the modeler whose suggestion is choosen. Thanks, Thayer -- Thayer Syme San Francisco Model Aviation Homepage http://www.sirius.com/~thayer/modelhp.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:40:33 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Visit to UK - Science Museum Message-ID: <36B34411.2221EA10@mail.telepac.pt> Knut Erik Hagen wrote: > Richard asked: > >Do that museum have any Web site ? or do you have an idea of their > >collections ? > In South Kensington, based on my recollections and Bob Ogdens book: > Avro 504K, Cody biplane, Fokker E.III, SE5A, Roe I triplane, Vickers Vimy > Wright Flyer (replica), Lillenthal (replica?), Levasseur Antoinette > and a lot of engines, instruments and guns. > It is dark and dusty there, so photgraphy is a challenge. > > There is a lot of weird and wonderful off-topic stuff as well: > Hill Pterodactyl, Supermarine S.6B, Gloster E.28/39, Cierva C.30 > and Hawker Hurricane to mention some of my favourites. > > > Eders > Knut Erik Last time I was there they had rearranged the space and it's very dark now. Lots of wonderful engines a spit, an me 163, the Vimy, the E-iii an Se5a sky writter, a chopper and can't remember what else. Very difficult place to take pictures in. They do have a web site though and it had a virtual exhibition of the flight section of the museum. Run a search on Science Museum + uk and you should find it. HTH Pedro ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1421 **********************