WWI Digest 1420 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Visit to UK by KarrArt@aol.com 2) Eduard Fokker E.III WAS: Visit to UK by Shane Weier 3) Re: Visit to UK by "David Vosburgh" 4) Photographing modles by "R. Godfrey" 5) Re: Itallian Nieuport question by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 6) Re: Avro Triplane? by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 7) Re: Photographing modles by "Peter Crow" 8) Re: Visit to UK - 2 SADISTS by "David R.L. Laws" 9) Re: Visit to UK - 2 SADISTS by David Kinnear 10) RE: Visit to UK by "Richard Caudron" 11) Re: Albatross Grey-Green by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 12) Off Topic, but one of the greats by Shane Weier 13) Re: ESCI 1/72 KITS by Allan Wright 14) Wilhelm Frankl info? by Larry Neal 15) Airfix Hannovers Available by James Gibbons 16) Re: Albatross Grey-Green by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 17) Re: Finding a pilot by michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) 18) Aussie D.H.9a by "David Vosburgh" 19) Re: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette) by Dave Watts 20) Re: Finding a pilot by Mike Fletcher 21) wwi miniplanes (worth?) by Larry Neal 22) Re: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette) by mkendix 23) by Larry Neal 24) Re: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette) by "Mark Shanks" 25) Re: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette) by Matthew E Bittner 26) Re: Albatross Grey-Green by "The Shannons" 27) Re: Albatross Grey-Green by "Mark Shanks" 28) Re: Albatross Grey-Green by John & Allison Cyganowski 29) Visit to UK - Science Museum by knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 30) Re: wwi miniplanes (worth?) by "Brad Gossen" 31) CSM prices by Martin Ryan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:01:57 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Visit to UK Message-ID: In a message dated 1/28/99 5:41:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << You might amuse yourself by counting the number of ribs on the aircraft, then counting the number of ribs on the Eduard and Flashback 1/48 Fokker E.III I bet the answer is different - by one :-( Shane (who perversely reckons the kit makes a great E.III anyway, but will make new wings when he builds his) >> Don't get me started! RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:52:36 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Eduard Fokker E.III WAS: Visit to UK Message-ID: Mick, > > You might amuse yourself by counting the number of ribs on > > the aircraft, then counting the number of ribs on the Eduard and > > Flashback 1/48 Fokker E.III > > > > I bet the answer is different - by one :-( > > I'll go along with that..... > .....but I had an idea it could be built as a correct EII, with > wings as they are. No? Maybe? > Nope. Right number of ribs in that case, but wrong wing *span*, which changed between the E.II and E.III by about ....two inter rib distances. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:49:02 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Visit to UK Message-ID: <00b601be4b3a$503cc9a0$0dd690d0@Pvosburg> Just reading about the Vimy in "The 91 Before Lindbergh", which states that after its crash-landing in an Irish bog it "...never flew again. It was given to the nation and is well displayed in the Science Museum". A tragic note the trans-Atlantic flight was that John Alcock was killed while ferrying a Vickers Viking amphib to the Paris airshow six months later in Dec. 1919. Arthur Whitten Brown also came to a sad end many years later, as the result of a probably unintentional overdose of sleeping pills in 1948. DV -----Original Message----- From: Mike Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 10:19 PM Subject: Re: Visit to UK >It is. - hard to photograph though because of the angle - I only had a few >pictures come out when I visited there a few years ago. They also have the >trans-atlantic vimy (original?) done up in cdl. > >mike fletcher > >On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 1/28/99 3:53:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, >> knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no writes: >> >> << The Science Museum in Kensington is often forgotten as an aircraft museum, >> you find a lot of unique items there. >> >> >> >> Is this not where the only remaining Fokker E III lives? >> Robert K. >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:04:19 -0600 From: "R. Godfrey" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Photographing modles Message-ID: <4.1.19990128214834.009a2b10@pop.sound.net> Hello Group, Saw lots of good comments on photography of models. That's also one of my hobbies. I use a regular copy stand with two blue photoflood bulbs at 45 degrees to get a softer shadow effect. I put my models on a piece of white or light blue cardboard and curve it up behind the A/C to avoid a back line. I agree you must have a macro lens, some sort of tripod and shutter release to get the largest f:stop possible to give the best depth of field . . . at least f:22. On added word of caution, I saw several mentions of bracketing exposures which was standard in the old days, but nowadays almost all photo developing labs use computer correction and enhancement of your exposures, color and lighting so you really have to make a major change to see any difference on the prints. They do their best to make them all come out the same unless you find a small commercial lab or develop your own to "standard" specifications (no "corrections"). Regards, Bob G. PS as an example I have some pics on my son's site some of you may not have seen: http://home.unicom.net/~tgodfrey/dadspics/ww1planes.html they're not all that great as models but they are rather good photos. RGG ___________________ RG-KC-US rgodfrey@sound.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:30:22 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Itallian Nieuport question Message-ID: <199901290430.UAA02920@compass.OregonVOS.net> Steven Perry writes: > >I'm working on a Nieuport 17 in Itallian markings. I based it on the 5 view >in the Profiles of WWI Planes book. This shows the red & green on the lower >surfaces of both wings. The center sections are aluminum doped in the >drawing. Was this actually the case or did they paint white between the red >& green on their Nie.17s? According to Rimmell, on Italian a/c the "white" center section was 'usually' left in the original natural linen or aluminum as the case may have have been. I don't have enough photos of Nie 17s to verify this but it does seem to have clearly been the practice on the Nie.11s. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:39:24 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Avro Triplane? Message-ID: <199901290439.UAA09313@compass.OregonVOS.net> Bill Neill writes: >While I was asking around locally for 1:48 WW1 airplane kits, I was given >what was said to be an "Avro Triplane". This is a bag of bits, no box or >instructions. Sorting out the bits, what I have is: >Two triangular section fuselages, one two seat, one single. >Two tailplanes, one vee shape, one square. >A set of triplane wings, the lower set shorter than the uppers. >Three slightly different rudders. >Plus of course a lot of struts and stuff. >>From the limited Avro info I have, this is Triplane #4, but the only photo >I have shows a vee tailplane. >There is a reference to a rebuild after a crash, so asuming this is really >an Avro Triplane, which set of bits would correspond to which version? >The upper wings come to 8 inches span when laid out, 32 feet in 48th, but >the only reference I got quotes 42 feet for the Avro 4 (but 32 feet for the >Avro 3). >Can anyone help? My references give a 32 ft span for the Avro IV versus 31 ft for the III. If I remember correctly, this is the old Inpact/Pyro/Life-like kit which was a pretty fair replica of the IV. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:28:18 PST From: "Peter Crow" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Photographing modles Message-ID: <19990129052819.24448.qmail@hotmail.com> Bob wrote.. >PS as an example I have some pics on my son's site some of you may not >have seen: http://home.unicom.net/~tgodfrey/dadspics/ww1planes.html >they're not all that great as models but they are rather good photos. > >RGG > Good photos, and good models also.. As one who has done more than a couple of these because there was nothing much else to be had at the time, I really enjoyed seeing these... P. Crow ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:33:57 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Visit to UK - 2 SADISTS Message-ID: <36B1E2F5.43CD@webtime.com.au> Aw c'om Robert and Shane put us out of our misery, is the answer one missing on the kit or one too many ribs ? ... And Bob before you do it to a poor confused rabbit again - Be merciful I cann't afford the airfare to find out ! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:27:26 -0800 From: David Kinnear To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Visit to UK - 2 SADISTS Message-ID: <199901290626.WAA27326@danube.cisco.com> I believe that the good Lord pulled a rib from the E-II and made the E-III and the people did smile At 01:15 AM 1/29/99 -0500, you wrote: >Aw c'om Robert and Shane put us out of our misery, is the answer one >missing on the kit or one too many ribs ? > >.. And Bob before you do it to a poor confused rabbit again - Be >merciful I cann't afford the airfare to find out ! > 'It's not a question of playing your best move, it's a question of playing the move that's most unpleasant for your opponent.' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:47:24 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: Visit to UK Message-ID: <000201be4b5b$9c449500$6f2b5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> Do that museum have any Web site ? or do you have an idea of their collections ? Regards, Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > KarrArt@aol.com > Sent: vrijdag 29 januari 1999 2:31 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Visit to UK > > > In a message dated 1/28/99 3:53:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, > knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no writes: > > << The Science Museum in Kensington is often forgotten as an > aircraft museum, > you find a lot of unique items there. > >> > > Is this not where the only remaining Fokker E III lives? > Robert K. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:33:11 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatross Grey-Green Message-ID: <199901290733.XAA17593@compass.OregonVOS.net> Mark writes: > >Any FS numbers (or similarly comprehendable) recommendations for the >metal areas on the factory-issue Albatross DV series? One I've seen is FS 34102. I don't necessarily subscribe to this but I provide it for what it might be worth. I think the metal area colors would have been a more grey-green hue than FS 34102 but, hey, whata I know? Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:08:41 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: Off Topic, but one of the greats Message-ID: Hi all, Some of you will recognise the name instantly, but anyone who goes to this URL: http://homepages.infoseek.com/~wingrove1/people.html and scrolls down past the autobiography to the links will see photos of the work of one *truly* exceptional scratchbuilder. Be warned that all are off topic, not one is of a subject which I have so much as the slightest interest in, but the quality is frightening Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:59:32 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: paa5376@dscp.dla.mil (paa5376) Cc: wwi Subject: Re: ESCI 1/72 KITS Message-ID: <199901291359.IAA29105@pease1.sr.unh.edu> paa5376@dscp.dla.mil (paa5376) wrote: > > Hannant's (UK) has posted 4 ESCI 1/72 scale WWI > models listed on their advanced bookings page: > ES9015 Fokker D VII @ 3.62 pounds uk > ES9017 Nieuport 17C " > ES9018 SPAD XIII " > ES9020 Sopwith Camel " Wow! That's good news. I wonder why they chose to re-release those 4 and not the Se5a or Albatrod D-III which are in high demand. The Spad, Sopwith and Fokker are still available through Revell or minicraft but the Se5a and Albatros aren't available in anywhere. Weird. Thanks for the info - I'll spread the word. -Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 8:40:03 MST From: Larry Neal To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Wilhelm Frankl info? Message-ID: <199901291540.IAA12909@tcwb467.col.hp.com> Greetings! I'm looking for information about a German pilot: Lt. Wilhelm Frankl (16 Kills), Blue Max recipient. I'm looking for some information about the aircraft he flew, unit and personal markings if known. Thanks, Larry. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:03:23 -0500 From: James Gibbons To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Airfix Hannovers Available Message-ID: <01BE4B76.FD73C740.jgibbons@vppsa.com> Some (3-5) Airfix Hannovers are available via mail order @ Aviation World in Toronto. They do Mail Order. Phone Number is 416-674-5959. Ask for Bill and tell him I gave you his name and number. You'll love the price. James Gibbons P.S. I will wait a little bit and then am posting this to the group as there are other folks looking for this kit too. Drop me an e-mail that you got this message. If no luck there, drop me an e-mail off-list. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:12:29 -0700 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatross Grey-Green Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990129091229.0070b52c@mail> At 03:24 AM 29/01/99 -0500, you wrote: > > >Mark writes: >> >>Any FS numbers (or similarly comprehendable) recommendations for the >>metal areas on the factory-issue Albatross DV series? > >One I've seen is FS 34102. > >I don't necessarily subscribe to this but I provide it for what it >might be worth. > >I think the metal area colors would have been a more grey-green >hue than FS 34102 but, hey, whata I know? > Probably more than I know, Bill. However, I note two things. I have heard this grey-green colour described as similar to RLM 02, and I have heard RLM 02 described as a colour very similar to British Slate Grey from W.W. II, which in turn is a very green colour. I realize museum replicas or restorations are to be treated with appropriate caution, but Humbrol Slate Grey (not sure of tinlet number off-hand) looks a lot like the colour of grey-green on the NASM Albatros D.Va. Just my Cdn 2 cnts worth. Dane >Cheers and all, > >-- > Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org > > "Cave ab homine unius librum." > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:48:14 GMT From: michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Finding a pilot Message-ID: <36b1f3f7.13058484@relay.ping.be> On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:11:18 -0500 (EST), Mike Fletcher wrote: >Is the restoration of this machine completed yet? > >On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Michel LEFORT wrote: > > In fact the Brussels Air Museum Ni17 is a Ni23 (MG not centered). I don't know. I have not seen the Museum for a long time due to family problems (wife generalized cancer :-((). I'll try and see what happened to it. Regards. -- Michel Lefort - Braine-l'Alleud, Belgium IPMS Belgium Treasurer & Foreign Liaison Officer (member F012) MAFVA member #6708 http://www.ping.be/ipms-belgium Plastic Modelling is holding History in your Hand ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:00:17 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: "WWI Mailing List" Subject: Aussie D.H.9a Message-ID: <001401be4bca$60b4ef20$0dd690d0@Pvosburg> Does anyone know what became of the Australian D.H.9a which was under restoration and then got run into by a car (!) about six or eight years ago? I read about it in WWI Aero when it happened, but my subscription lapsed and I never found out whether it got repaired or not... Dave V. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:34:36 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette) Message-ID: <199901292132.QAA18625@sam.on-net.net> I wonder if mounting a horse or airplane has any correlation to what side of the car the driver sits on, and if Brits mount from the right, since they drive on the right side of the car and the road. Best, Dave Watts >> Hmmm. I'd always understood that one "boards" a horse from the left >> because one wears one's sabre on the left. If you tried to mount from >> the right and swing the left leg over the horse, that damn sabre is >> gonna slide out of its scabbard everytime. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:49:58 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Finding a pilot Message-ID: <310D4106.3439AE14@mars.ark.com> sorry to hear that, hope she feels better soon. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:49:51 MST From: Larry Neal To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: wwi miniplanes (worth?) Message-ID: <199901292149.OAA13547@tcwb467.col.hp.com> I need to poll the collective wisdom of the group. I'd like to know what the Bachmann Miniplanes are worth, or at least what the going rate is. I've looked at some of the WWI planes on Ebay and also noticed that they didn't sell for the asking minimum($16). I'd like to get some of these, but reasonably priced (of course). Thanks, Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:41:51 -0500 (EST) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette) Message-ID: I believe that in Britain, folks mount their horses from the left. Also, they drive on the left, not the right. If you're right footed, as most people are, it must be easier to put your left foot in the stirrup from the left hand side of the horse, and swing your right foot over. I am left footed so I've never been able to get on a horse and so cannot take up riding. On topic; Matt Bittner - what did you think about the 1/72nd scale ESCI release of the Neiuport 17? Hopefully, our U.S. vendors will have it soon. How about it , Barry? Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Dave Watts wrote: > I wonder if mounting a horse or airplane has any correlation to what side > of the car the driver sits on, and if Brits mount from the right, since > they drive on the right side of the car and the road. > Best, > Dave Watts > > >> Hmmm. I'd always understood that one "boards" a horse from the left > >> because one wears one's sabre on the left. If you tried to mount from > >> the right and swing the left leg over the horse, that damn sabre is > >> gonna slide out of its scabbard everytime. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:53:51 MST From: Larry Neal To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Message-ID: <199901292153.OAA13563@tcwb467.col.hp.com> ET WWI PASSWORD 904073677 corvair ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:55:46 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette) Message-ID: <199901292145.NAA23655@mailhost.fltdyn.com> Dave Watts wrote: > I wonder if mounting a horse or airplane has any correlation to what side > of the car the driver sits on, and if Brits mount from the right, since > they drive on the right side of the car and the road. As I understand it, the Brits (and Japanese) drive on the left side of the road, with their right arm over the centerline, as a relic of days when two riders approaching each other would have their right (weapon-bearing) arms on the side adjacent to the oncoming rider. And yes, sabers are worn on the left side - damned difficult to draw with your right hand otherwise. Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:07:40 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: mounting your steed (was Re: Profile etiquette) Message-ID: <19990129.160810.-845965.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:50:24 -0500 (EST) mkendix writes: >On topic; Matt Bittner - what did you think about the 1/72nd scale ESCI >release of the Neiuport 17? Hopefully, our U.S. vendors will have it >soon. How about it , Barry? Great news, but I have 8 or so as it is. :-) I just wish Revell would re-release theirs, since it's more "to scale" than the ESCI. Still, great news indeed. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:22:30 -0600 From: "The Shannons" To: Subject: Re: Albatross Grey-Green Message-ID: <004c01be4bde$3f2d2a20$a94cddcf@default> >At 03:24 AM 29/01/99 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >>Mark writes: >>> >>>Any FS numbers (or similarly comprehendable) recommendations for the >>>metal areas on the factory-issue Albatross DV series? >> >>One I've seen is FS 34102. >> >>I think the metal area colors would have been a more grey-green >>hue than FS 34102 but, hey, whata I know? >> > >Probably more than I know, Bill. However, I note two things. I have heard >this grey-green colour described as similar to RLM 02, and I have heard RLM >02 described as a colour very similar to British Slate Grey from W.W. II, >which in turn is a very green colour. > >I realize museum replicas or restorations are to be treated with >appropriate caution, but Humbrol Slate Grey Humbrol Slate Grey = #102 Army Green or #31 Slate Grey. The first is given as the match for their old Dark Slate Grey in the Authentics line, the second is maybe a little cooler in tone (less yellow in the green) but not much different. Another mix for "RLM Grau 02" is 1part #72 Khaki Drill + 1part #159 Khaki Drab + 1part #92 Iron Grey + 1 part #34 White. I like this one for the gray-green tone. (not sure of tinlet number >off-hand) looks a lot like the colour of grey-green on the NASM Albatros D.Va. > >Just my Cdn 2 cnts worth. > >Dane > > >>Cheers and all, >> >>-- >> Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org >> >> "Cave ab homine unius librum." Mark Shannon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:37:44 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatross Grey-Green Message-ID: <199901292327.PAA25285@mailhost.fltdyn.com> Mark Shannon wrote: > Humbrol Slate Grey = #102 Army Green or #31 Slate Grey. > > The first is given as the match for their old Dark Slate Grey in the > Authentics line, the second is maybe a little cooler in tone (less yellow in > the green) but not much different. Another mix for "RLM Grau 02" is 1part > #72 Khaki Drill + 1part #159 Khaki Drab + 1part #92 Iron Grey + 1 part #34 > White. I like this one for the gray-green tone. Many thanks for all the suggestions! (Off topic, but RLM 02 and I have been friends for decades. An ancient IPMS mixing guide for Pactra paints mixed 02 from simply yellow, black, and white, and darned if they weren't about as close as you might ask for, in those gruesome days before premixed everything.) As things turned out, I picked up a bottle of Testors SAC Bomber Green, FS 34159, as being close enough without an actual color chip to work from. This has that "low saturation" look that I have to think is appropriate. It's greener than 02, but still greyish. Your mileage may vary.... ;-) Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:31:35 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatross Grey-Green Message-ID: <36B244D7.7F10@worldnet.att.net> I use Gunze Sangyo H70 RLM 02 cut with 25% white. It works for me. John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 01:05:02 +0100 (CET) From: knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Visit to UK - Science Museum Message-ID: <199901300005.BAA25613@login-2.eunet.no> Richard asked: >Do that museum have any Web site ? or do you have an idea of their >collections ? In South Kensington, based on my recollections and Bob Ogdens book: Avro 504K, Cody biplane, Fokker E.III, SE5A, Roe I triplane, Vickers Vimy Wright Flyer (replica), Lillenthal (replica?), Levasseur Antoinette and a lot of engines, instruments and guns. It is dark and dusty there, so photgraphy is a challenge. There is a lot of weird and wonderful off-topic stuff as well: Hill Pterodactyl, Supermarine S.6B, Gloster E.28/39, Cierva C.30 and Hawker Hurricane to mention some of my favourites. Eders Knut Erik ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:41:44 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: wwi miniplanes (worth?) Message-ID: <199901300044.TAA26795@smtp2.globalserve.net> I've seen 'em go for between $11.00 and $24.95 (Cdn), depending on their condition. Brad ---------- > From: Larry Neal > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: wwi miniplanes (worth?) > Date: Friday, January 29, 1999 4:50 PM > > > I need to poll the collective wisdom of the group. > > I'd like to know what the Bachmann Miniplanes are worth, > or at least what the going rate is. I've looked at some > of the WWI planes on Ebay and also noticed that they > didn't sell for the asking minimum($16). I'd like to get > some of these, but reasonably priced (of course). > > Thanks, > > Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:04:41 -0700 From: Martin Ryan To: WWI List Subject: CSM prices Message-ID: <36B268B9.210BF172@ix.netcom.com> Sandy I have been a list lurker for a while, subscriber about a year. I do ask some questions and gain a lot of info from this great group. I am basically a military miniaturist (read figures), but do armor and WW1 a/c. As for my relationship with Copper State, I'm a friend of Eric Height. He has asked me, on occasion to provide a potted history on some of his kits; and I help him bag and box them. That's it. I sometimes give him suggestions, such as Macchi M.5, Bristol Scout or Nieuport 11, but all decisions are Eric's and his master model maker, Martin Digmeyer. Eric has told me that he wants to do Allied fighters for 1999. He will also only do kits in 1/48th scale and he wants to do mainly a/c that actually saw combat. Since CSM is only Eric he can run it anyway he wants. BTW this is the only thing Eric does, there is no other employment, so what he makes from CSM is his total income. When he told me what he was going to charge for the W.12, I told him he won't sell very many. I figure that most modelers are like me and can think of about four other things they can buy with that kind of money. (The first of the month I can't wait to get the Squadron flyer or Barry's newsletter.) But after he pays for the artist for the photo etch art, the photo etching plates, the photo-etcher, the mold maker and the resin production costs, decal artist and decal production, packaging and instructions and then postage, he has invested a few dollars. Then he gives hobby shops and distributors a discount if they buy in quantify. So I think he is entitled to some profit for his sweat. I can only guess at the price for the Gotha that he wants to produce. So let me get off my soapbox and back to work on my 1st Bavarian Ulan Regiment officer and/or Nieuport 17 in Turkish markings. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1420 **********************