WWI Digest 1419 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Airfix Hanover CL II(I) Kit by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 2) RE: Airfix Hanover CL II(I) Kit by "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" 3) Re: Itallian Nieuport question by Bob Pearson 4) Avro Triplane? by Bill Neill 5) Re: Avro Triplane? by "Sandy Adam" 6) Re: rms sissy boys by KarrArt@aol.com 7) Re: rms sissy boys by KarrArt@aol.com 8) CSM prices by "Sandy Adam" 9) Albatross Grey-Green by "Mark Shanks" 10) Re: CSM prices by Allan Wright 11) WWI Model Surveys by Allan Wright 12) Re: CSM prices by mkendix 13) RE: Survey by Rick Milas 14) Re: Survey by Allan Wright 15) Re: Albatross Grey-Green by "Steven M. Perry" 16) RE: SSW R.1&AEG G.IV by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 17) WW1 planes for sale...... (fwd) by Allan Wright 18) Re: Italian Nieuport question by Mike Fletcher 19) Re: French aeroplanes photos by "Andy Kemp" 20) ( slightly off topic ) RE: rms sissy boys wasRe: SPIN Ansaldo by "cameron rile" 21) Re: Small Parts by John & Allison Cyganowski 22) Re: Finding a pilot by michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) 23) RE: Finding a pilot by Mick Fauchon 24) Re: Visit to UK by knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 25) Re: Finding a pilot by Mike Fletcher 26) Re: Visit to UK by KarrArt@aol.com 27) RE: Visit to UK by Shane Weier 28) Re: Visit to UK by Mike Fletcher 29) RE: SSW R.1&AEG G.IV by Dennis Ugulano 30) RE: Visit to UK by Mick Fauchon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:44:02 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Airfix Hanover CL II(I) Kit Message-ID: <36B12072.4770@ricochet.net> James Gibbons wrote: > > I concur that this kit is out of production. However, I've not yet had any > particular difficulty finding one. If Aviation World can't help out... Do they do mail order? Address? Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:54:39 -0700 From: "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Airfix Hanover CL II(I) Kit Message-ID: <5DA4C4BE65D9D111A6FC0060081FD2189E71C0@SNEFFELS> Aviation World's web page is http://www.aviationworld.net/. Really nice shop and great guys running it, though I can't comment on whether they have the Hanover. Yes they do mail order. Michael Satin "Do they do mail order? Address? Riordan" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:48:19 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Itallian Nieuport question Message-ID: <199901281648.IAA13959@spare.rapidnet.net> Steve, AFAIK they just left the centre section in either CDL or aluminum depending on the aircraft type Bob ---------- > From: "Steven M. Perry" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Itallian Nieuport question > Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 05:48:11 -0500 (EST) > > I'm working on a Nieuport 17 in Itallian markings. I based it on the 5 view > in the Profiles of WWI Planes book. This shows the red & green on the lower > surfaces of both wings. The center sections are aluminum doped in the > drawing. Was this actually the case or did they paint white between the red > & green on their Nie.17s? > TIA > sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:59:12 -0500 From: Bill Neill To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Avro Triplane? Message-ID: <199901281159_MC2-685B-75FF@compuserve.com> While I was asking around locally for 1:48 WW1 airplane kits, I was given what was said to be an "Avro Triplane". This is a bag of bits, no box or instructions. Sorting out the bits, what I have is: Two triangular section fuselages, one two seat, one single. Two tailplanes, one vee shape, one square. A set of triplane wings, the lower set shorter than the uppers. Three slightly different rudders. Plus of course a lot of struts and stuff. >From the limited Avro info I have, this is Triplane #4, but the only photo I have shows a vee tailplane. There is a reference to a rebuild after a crash, so asuming this is really an Avro Triplane, which set of bits would correspond to which version? The upper wings come to 8 inches span when laid out, 32 feet in 48th, but the only reference I got quotes 42 feet for the Avro 4 (but 32 feet for the Avro 3). Can anyone help? Thanks Bill Neill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:19:53 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Avro Triplane? Message-ID: <199901281719.RAA03894@beryl.sol.co.uk> Sounds like you have bits from both the Inpact Avro Biplane (kit P106) and Avro Triplane (kit P104). If you look on the underside of the fuselage top deckings (if you have them) you should read "made in England, Inpact models"? If this is what they are, I have both kits and can send scans of instruction sheets if you wish. You can then see what bits you do/do not, have. Let me know if you want these. (Of course they may be Pyro reissues of these kits.) HTH Sandy ---------- > From: Bill Neill > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Avro Triplane? > Date: 28 January 1999 09:01 > > While I was asking around locally for 1:48 WW1 airplane kits, I was given > what was said to be an "Avro Triplane". This is a bag of bits, no box or > instructions. Sorting out the bits, what I have is: > Two triangular section fuselages, one two seat, one single. > Two tailplanes, one vee shape, one square. > A set of triplane wings, the lower set shorter than the uppers. > Three slightly different rudders. > Plus of course a lot of struts and stuff. > >From the limited Avro info I have, this is Triplane #4, but the only photo > I have shows a vee tailplane. > There is a reference to a rebuild after a crash, so asuming this is really > an Avro Triplane, which set of bits would correspond to which version? > The upper wings come to 8 inches span when laid out, 32 feet in 48th, but > the only reference I got quotes 42 feet for the Avro 4 (but 32 feet for the > Avro 3). > Can anyone help? > Thanks > Bill Neill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:25:35 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: rms sissy boys Message-ID: In a message dated 1/28/99 6:41:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, Michael.Satin@shepards.com writes: << I guess if his comments stay out there unflamed, staying away from rms might be my continuing policy. Besides, you all are too much fun already! :-) Michael Satin IPMS #25696 (and still proud of it) >> You may on to something. I've gotta say here that I don't hate Tamiya or Hasegawa, obviously they make good stuff- and I've wrestled with and cussed at my share of lousy kits, but I just get a cheap thrill reading some of these guys who may not realize that they've become trapped by what they can find in a box that builds easily- they're denying themselves some pretty interesting subjects. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:25:33 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: rms sissy boys Message-ID: <9f02c07d.36b09d8d@aol.com> In a message dated 1/28/99 1:36:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, sljenkins@tac.com.au writes: << So please don't tar all off rms with the same brush. I mean after all, I post there :-)) Ducking for cover ;-þ Shane (the Younger, although I'm catching up) >> Yeah- there are some decent folks there- (uh, I post there from time to time). I wish I had more time to actually help with some of the inquiries, especially newbies who are apt to get shot down, but then I'd be spending ALL of my time at this goofy digital box and my production rate would drop even more! Mostly, I just gaze in stunned silence at a lot of the stuff. Robert K. (semi-blind after spending yesterday making radiators for my Fokker Spinne) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:03:21 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: CSM prices Message-ID: <199901281803.SAA05580@beryl.sol.co.uk> > CSM's intial kit run is 100 kits. Hi Martin I believe I recognise your name from CSM instruction sheets and think you may be fairly new to this list and accordingly welcome you. (If I'm way off-beam here please forgive me.) There has been a fair bit of discussion of CSM kits and all, I think, generally good. We are always delighted to see new WWI models and I, for one, will buy (funds willing) any interesting type that comes along. I've invested in your Dornier, Fokker D.V, decal sheets etc and have just ordered the Pfalz Dr1 from Aeroclub in the UK. I have to say though that the Pfalz at 37USD was pushing at the most I would want to spend for a 1/48 scout model. I see the Albatros W4 at 74 dollars and the HB W12 at 100 dollars and will, I am afraid, be passing on these. I have the Tom's vac W4 and Sierra W12 which are both good representations and cost a fraction of these prices. The CSM Pfalz Dr1 will cost me almost three times as much as the similar Tom's resin Pfalz D.VIII! Please don't think this is a criticism - I am very happy that a manufacturer is putting out such models - but I would like to see him surviving (and prospering), and wonder how many people will buy these kits at these prices? Are they so much more expensive than the earlier models because of cost of materials or research time, or perhaps because of the complexity of the subjects? I just wonder if you would be more profitable selling more kits at lower prices rather than fewer kits at higher prices? Maybe I am being silly and the time to produce the kits is prohibitive, but would like to hear it from the manufacturer's side. For the same reason, I have been swithering for a long time over the big Lonestar Junkers, but have happily paid much more for the TC Resins Felixstowe (as I can see this is a much more substantial kit). So it is not that I cannot afford this sort of money - it is just that I have a stubborn resistance re value for money. I would not buy a JMGT kit at similar prices (although they are absolutely fabulous models). I have been fortunate to get some of these in Hannant's sales and this makes me conclude that nobody else has bought them at full price either. Obviuously if Hannant's have to sell them at a loss, they will not re-stock and there goes any possibility of future availability and sales. Whilst enjoying Eduards etc at much lower prices, I feel that most WWI modellers will accept up to about 40 dollars for a short-run scout kit (viz Blue Max, Tom's, Aeroclub, SPIN, your Dornier, Fokker etc). Maybe you can tell me I am wrong though and advance sales for the W4 etc are going well? You probably won't get a much better forum than this to test the waters for what people will pay and it may be possible to have a "show of hands" for subjects before you tool-up. Anyway, as I said before, please don't take this the wrong way, but a number of us would probably be interested in hearing your views if you wished to comment. Best regards Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:12:28 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Albatross Grey-Green Message-ID: <199901281802.KAA06817@mailhost.fltdyn.com> Any FS numbers (or similarly comprehendable) recommendations for the metal areas on the factory-issue Albatross DV series? Thanks! Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:18:18 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: CSM prices Message-ID: <199901281818.NAA25788@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > You probably won't get a much better forum than this to test the waters for > what people will pay and it may be possible to have a "show of hands" for > subjects before you tool-up. I smell a future WWI WWW page survey in the making: what is the most you are willing to spend on a 1/48 scale WWI scout/fighter kit? (Or 1/72) -Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:34:34 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: WWI Model Surveys Message-ID: <199901281834.NAA25921@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hi all, Results of the last survey were very interesting. The votes were split pretty close to 50/50 with a slight edge favoring 1/48 scale. (Less than 5% difference). The new survey is up - vore early, vote often..... :-) -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:44:54 -0500 (EST) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: CSM prices Message-ID: Allan: I agree that it is a good idea for us to explain to manufacturers and distributors, our likes and dislikes, models we want, quality problems etc. Hopefully, I am not the only person on this list who thinks it is a bad idea to indicate to a seller of a product the amount we are willing to pay. Would you do this when you walked into a room to buy an automobile in the U.S.? A car salesman's first question is "How much do you want to spend?" The best response to such a question is "About turn, quick march out of there". Now, I'm not suggesting that kit manufacturers and vendors are like car sales people but one reason prices are fairly modest is that mail order provides healthy competition in this industry. Basically, the entire world is "The market" so if I don't like Mr. X's prices in California, I can do business with Mr. Y in Australia or wherever. I appreciate good service and responsiveness, which is also enhanced by more competition. I like purchasing my 1/72nd Eduard Strutters at $9 rather than the $14+ advertized by some vendors; don't you? Let vendors set the prices they think are best; the market will let them know soon enough whether they've made a mistake. I realize the market is not perfect, but if anyone else has a viable alternative, the rest of the world is interested. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Allan Wright wrote: > > You probably won't get a much better forum than this to test the waters for > > what people will pay and it may be possible to have a "show of hands" for > > subjects before you tool-up. > > I smell a future WWI WWW page survey in the making: what is the most you > are willing to spend on a 1/48 scale WWI scout/fighter kit? (Or 1/72) > > -Allan > > =============================================================================== > Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! > University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- > Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu > =============================================================================== > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:53:04 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Milas To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Survey Message-ID: Allan, Since I don not seem to be able to do the survey as it appears on the wwi page, I thought I'd answer it this way. I wouldn't want to pay more than $30 for a 1:48 kit. I might go as high as $40 if it was something I just had to have. With the occasional sale prices of Eduard kits I'm able to stock up on modeling subjects so I always have something to work on. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:58:28 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Survey Message-ID: <199901281858.NAA26128@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Since I don not seem to be able to do the survey as it appears on the wwi > page, I thought I'd answer it this way. I wouldn't want to pay more than > $30 for a 1:48 kit. I might go as high as $40 if it was something I just > had to have. With the occasional sale prices of Eduard kits I'm able to > stock up on modeling subjects so I always have something to work on. the survey requires your browser have javascript enabled. Thanks for your input. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:56:56 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Albatross Grey-Green Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990128135656.00a321b8@pop.mindspring.com> At 01:11 PM 1/28/99 -0500, you wrote: >Any FS numbers (or similarly comprehendable) recommendations for the >metal areas on the factory-issue Albatross DV series? > >Thanks! > >Mark >mshanks@fltdyn.com > I like Model Master SAC Bomber Green FS 34159. Your taste may differ. sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:03:26 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: SSW R.1&AEG G.IV Message-ID: <01BE4ABE.98CF0BA0.panz-meador@vsti.com> dennis: fascinating! i've been looking around for the SSW R.I for ages, and i've found precious few who've heard of the kit, much less built the thing (counting you, that makes 1). my idea was to build the B-R kit for "warmup", then do a scratch in 1:72. to that end, i've been collecting materials and the odd photo for the last year and a half. i look forward to seeing the pics of this (beautiful) beast. could you comment as to how you finished out the very visible interior (particularly if you left the "waist gunner's" position open) and/or references you may have found useful? any and all info is appreciated. phillip -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Ugulano [SMTP:Uggies@compuserve.com] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 1999 6:21 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: SSW R.1&AEG G.IV Everyone, While getting my photos ready for the Sierra AEG G.IV, I found photos of a kit I forgot I built, the Blue Rider Siemens-Schuckert SSW R.1 1/15 in 1/144th scale. Thinking back, that was an interesting kit. It was a combination of metal and plastic. Upon completion, I mailed it to South Carolina and it arrive in the same condition I sent it. Chalk up one for snail mail. Too bad I can't email it. Also, I have the photo of the Sierra AEG G.IV in 1/48th ready. The Web page will be up at any time. Photos are coming, honest. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:45:15 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: WW1 planes for sale...... (fwd) Message-ID: <199901282045.PAA26629@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Forwarded message: >From helives@bellsouth.net Thu Jan 28 15:43:32 1999 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:51:35 -0500 From: Jeff Bayard Subject: WW1 planes for sale...... To: AEW@unh.edu, joeyval@pusit.admin.edu.ph Message-id: <36B0CDD6.90A0C0B9@bellsouth.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Looking for a buyer/enthusiast for my dads collection of WW1 planes. He lives in WinstonSalem. If interested, please call me, his son. Jeff Bayard in Raleigh, NC at 919-851-9351 Partial list as follows, MODEL AIRPLANEl KITS 1. Fokker D-7 Dawn Patrol Series Leading edge Models 2" scale wing span 51" 2. Sopwith Camel : VK-1 Kit 2" scale 3. Fokker Tri Plane- DR-1 VK Kit 2" scale 4. Nieuport 17 5. Gipsy Moth : Aerodrome Model Ltd - DH 60 wing span 51" 1.13-16=1" 6. 701 Antic: Proctor Kit 7. Antic "BIP" Procter Kit 8. Tiger Moth: Gee Bee Products 9. Piper Cub Electric (bought used) 10. Telemaster 40: Hobby Lobby 11. Eagel Wing Kit (no plans) 12. Eagel & Super Stick Wing kit PLANS 1. Sopwith Pup 2. Fokker D-8: wing & horizontal stab 3. Fokker Eindecker 4. Fokker D-8: wing Air Age plan 5. Fokker D-8: Vertical stab 6. Fokker D-8 & Sop With Pup Air Age plans & El Gringo St 40 Plus REMOTE CONTROL RADIOS 1. Century VII FM System CH-30 2. Century VII FM System Ch-38 3. Century VII FM System CH-42 4. Century VII PCM CH-34 Batteries & Servos =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 12:53:55 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Italian Nieuport question Message-ID: <310BE263.6831B2F2@mars.ark.com> the "white" area of the flag was generally left in whatever colour the aircraft was doped, so that a silver machine should have a silver centre section. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:40:50 -0000 From: "Andy Kemp" To: Subject: Re: French aeroplanes photos Message-ID: <00af01be4b00$39998c40$5805d3d4@whatever> Hi Yves, If you come across any photographs of the Sopwith Camel in French service, I'd be delighted to pay the fee. They had two to my knowledge - although a chap called Canivet broke one quite quickly. Cheers, Andy Kemp -----Original Message----- From: Yves Buffetaut To: Multiple recipients of list Date: 27 January 1999 08:11 Subject: French aeroplanes photos >Dear List members, >I must go to the French Air Force Archives in February and have a look >at the photographic section. So, if some of you need information about >any plane, please let me know. They've got photographs of all French WW1 >planes or foreign aircrafts which were flown by the French Air Force. If >someone is interested by prints, I can order some. I will check out >today to know the exact price of each picture. >Yves > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:57:40 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: ( slightly off topic ) RE: rms sissy boys wasRe: SPIN Ansaldo Message-ID: <199901281301334@cameron.prontomail.com> Shane wrote: "which is that there is an enormous element withing the *serious* modelling fraternity who have succumbed to the "me first" philosophy of expecting everything to be done for them, and following the Nader dicta, will howl and bitch loud and long over the slightest real or imaginary fault in a kit." This lack of learning your craft has hurt the flight sim community too and contributed to several a historical FM's for aircraft in Red Baron II. Dynamix to their credit ( and skill ) modelled in engine torque and precession subsequently we get a quaint Camel and Dr1 which take bootloads of time and skill to learn and master. ( there are some pretty deadly Dr1 and Camel pilots on the planet once again, though virtual this time ) But too many ppl get a simulator and expect to be aces within 5 minutes without bothering to learn their craft ( in this case virtual flying, gunnery and SA ) and whinge when they arent emulating MvR within three revolutions of the engine. Subsequently the game got lumped with the a historical N28, Alb DIII and climb rates that in most cases allow for looping from the horizontal indefinately without loss of speed. Having been a part of the Beta testing for RBII and bothering to learn my craft I am saddened that ppl continue to expect that, it goes from a sim to a game then. Anyway back to original point, I have tonnes of respect for those that learn a craft, it takes time to accrue the skills needed and so much more satisfying than the "taco in a microwave as nourishment" mentality. cam AFC page : http://members.xoom.com/PointCook/index.htm RBII page : http://members.xoom.com/artattack/index.htm ----- >>>>>>> Visit my homepage at http://www.prontomail.com/Prontomail/users/cameron ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:09:52 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Small Parts Message-ID: <36B0D220.4745@worldnet.att.net> Matthew E Bittner wrote: > > I'm still looking for a way to degaus the stainless steel tweezers I > have, as well as the rigging wire I still have left over. > I could lend you a tape recorder head degaussing wand if you like. John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:57:08 GMT From: michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Finding a pilot Message-ID: <36b0dce8.23401067@relay.ping.be> On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:04:21 -0500 (EST), "Richard Caudron" wrote: >The Brussels WWI museum have still a Nieuport 17 with its comet (shooting >star). In fact the Brussels Air Museum Ni17 is a Ni23 (MG not centered). Regards. -- Michel Lefort - Braine-l'Alleud, Belgium IPMS Belgium Treasurer & Foreign Liaison Officer (member F012) MAFVA member #6708 http://www.ping.be/ipms-belgium Plastic Modelling is holding History in your Hand ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:27:47 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Finding a pilot Message-ID: Bob, > > > I have seen this a/c described as purple with a white outlined red comet > > > (that was how I profiled it), however black with the comet now seems > more > > > likely. No, I'd still go with red on [camouflage] purple. See my up-coming post to Dave V. for a more detailed account. Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:41:59 +0100 (CET) From: knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Visit to UK Message-ID: <199901282341.AAA10829@login-2.eunet.no> Folks, I have been to London a number of times, here are my suggestions. Visit the RAF Museum and the Hannants outlet at Collindale(Northern Line). The Hannants shop usually restock from the Lowestoft depot on Thursdays, so that is the day to get hot items. Expect to spend the better part of the day there, bring a camera with flash as the light is a bit strange inside the RAFM. There is nothing much for those not interested in aircraft in the area, so you might leave your wife shopping in central London and join her later in the day to compare credit cards.... There is a quite good gift shop with books and models in the RAFM. Lowestoft is off-broadway, so I think you should settle for Collindale. Foyles is in Charings Cross street and has a lot of aviation books as well everything you can imagine (and a bit more). It has something for everyone. In Central London do you have the IWM and the War Room used by Churchill. HMS Belfast is also easy to reach, there is a replica of the Golden Hind near by, it is worth a visit, if only to see how small it is. Greenwich is nice, gardens, ships and I think a Gipsy Moth named Jason. The Science Museum in Kensington is often forgotten as an aircraft museum, you find a lot of unique items there. Outside London, there is a fast train service to Cambridge from which you catch bus 103 to Duxford, not much on topic stuff in Duxford, but a lot of more modern aircraft and a impressive array of tanks and other hardware. Cambridge is worth a visit on its own, it looks like a film set. If you are interested in vintage cars and racing as well as aircraft, then you should consider going to Brooklands, it is in the stockbroker belt so there are a lot of impressive private gardens behind fences and gates. I can also recommend Bob Ogdens series of books "Aircraft Museums and collections of the world", try to get hold of one covering Great Britain. Maybe we could create some sort of travel guide on the WW1 page, both on our local museums and the ones we get to visit. Eders Knut Erik ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:11:01 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Finding a pilot Message-ID: Is the restoration of this machine completed yet? On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Michel LEFORT wrote: > On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:04:21 -0500 (EST), "Richard Caudron" > wrote: > > >The Brussels WWI museum have still a Nieuport 17 with its comet (shooting > >star). > In fact the Brussels Air Museum Ni17 is a Ni23 (MG not centered). > Regards. > > -- > Michel Lefort - Braine-l'Alleud, Belgium > IPMS Belgium Treasurer & Foreign Liaison Officer (member F012) > MAFVA member #6708 > http://www.ping.be/ipms-belgium > Plastic Modelling is holding History in your Hand > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:09:48 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Visit to UK Message-ID: <672cef98.36b10a5c@aol.com> In a message dated 1/28/99 3:53:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no writes: << The Science Museum in Kensington is often forgotten as an aircraft museum, you find a lot of unique items there. >> Is this not where the only remaining Fokker E III lives? Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:39:10 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Visit to UK Message-ID: Robert, >> The Science Museum in Kensington is often forgotten as an >> aircraft museum, you find a lot of unique items there. > > Is this not where the only remaining Fokker E III lives? Yes it is. You might amuse yourself by counting the number of ribs on the aircraft, then counting the number of ribs on the Eduard and Flashback 1/48 Fokker E.III I bet the answer is different - by one :-( Shane (who perversely reckons the kit makes a great E.III anyway, but will make new wings when he builds his) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:40:06 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Visit to UK Message-ID: It is. - hard to photograph though because of the angle - I only had a few pictures come out when I visited there a few years ago. They also have the trans-atlantic vimy (original?) done up in cdl. mike fletcher On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/28/99 3:53:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, > knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no writes: > > << The Science Museum in Kensington is often forgotten as an aircraft museum, > you find a lot of unique items there. > >> > > Is this not where the only remaining Fokker E III lives? > Robert K. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:57:03 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: SSW R.1&AEG G.IV Message-ID: <199901282057_MC2-686F-D8BB@compuserve.com> Phillip, RE: SSW R.1. I will have to recall what I did between now and the time I get the photo on line. I do know I did not rig it because this was my first attempt with metal etch and I had no idea what I was doing. I think the BR kit gave good details on the interior as my photo does show something inside. I don't think I opened the waist gunners position. I have the book German Giants and that's where I got most of my information. I will do as much of a review as I can remember. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:13:53 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Visit to UK Message-ID: Shane, > You might amuse yourself by counting the number of ribs on the aircraft, > then counting the number of ribs on the Eduard and Flashback 1/48 Fokker > E.III > > I bet the answer is different - by one :-( I'll go along with that..... > (who perversely reckons the kit makes a great E.III anyway, but will make > new wings when he builds his) .....but I had an idea it could be built as a correct EII, with wings as they are. No? Maybe? 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