WWI Digest 1418 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Finding a pilot by John & Allison Cyganowski 2) Re: Hanover CL II Kit by Bob Pearson 3) RE: Finding a pilot by Shane Weier 4) VSM Model Kit Run by Martin Ryan 5) Re: Hanover CL II Kit by "Steven M. Perry" 6) Re: Finding a pilot by Mick Fauchon 7) RE: Finding a pilot by Mick Fauchon 8) purplenessRe: Finding a pilot by KarrArt@aol.com 9) RE: CSM Models by Shane Weier 10) RE: rms sissy boys wasRe: SPIN Ansaldo by "Mark Shanks" 11) Going away... by Russell W Niles 12) Re: rms sissy boys wasRe: SPIN Ansaldo by KarrArt@aol.com 13) Re: French aeroplanes photos by Mike Fletcher 14) Re: HELP! Problem with Eduard Sopwith Pup! by "Charles or Linda Duckworth" 15) Stripping Paint by Scalecoat by "Charles or Linda Duckworth" 16) RE: HELP! Problem with Eduard Sopwith Pup! by "John Glaser" 17) Hanriot HD.1/HD.2 'Boxart' by "Charles or Linda Duckworth" 18) D & J Hobby by mkendix 19) Re: Hanriot HD.1/HD.2 'Boxart' by Ernest Thomas 20) Re: HELP! Problem with Eduard Sopwith Pup! by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 21) Antenna reel detail photo by Zulis@aol.com 22) RE: rms sissy boys by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 23) Re: rms sissy boys wasRe: SPIN Ansaldo by "Sandy Adam" 24) Itallian Nieuport question by "Steven M. Perry" 25) Re: Antenna reel detail photo by Matthew E Bittner 26) Re: Itallian Nieuport question by Matthew E Bittner 27) Small Parts by Matthew E Bittner 28) Re: Itallian Nieuport question by Ernest Thomas 29) SSW R.1&AEG G.IV by Dennis Ugulano 30) Re: Airfix Hanover CL II(I) Kit by James Gibbons 31) RE: rms sissy boys by "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:30:23 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Finding a pilot Message-ID: <36AFAF9F.E2A@worldnet.att.net> Bob Pearson wrote: > > Richard writes . . . > > > Do you have any shema of this airplane ? > > > > I have seen this a/c described as purple with a white outlined red comet > > > (that was how I profiled it), however black with the comet now seems > more > > > likely. The fusleage cross is reversed from normal practice .. (black > > > outline, greyish cross) and the tail cross is overpainted white .. > leaving > > > the cross itself appearing grey with a white outline. > > Richard, > > I just added Jasta 30 to my German profile page, and Bertrab's D.III is > included. Remember this scheme is highly suspect now. > For what it is worth Superscale has a 1/48 sheet with this scheme, 48-599. John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:39:22 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Hanover CL II Kit Message-ID: <199901280039.QAA03149@spare.rapidnet.net> Oops, sorry. . the Airfix Hannover Bob ---------- > From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Hanover CL II Kit > Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:31:17 -0500 (EST) > > Bob Pearson wrote: > > > > Aviation World in Toronto bought up a bunch of these when they were > > discontinued ... > > Which kit? Airfix, MPC, Eduard, KAE? > > Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:53:25 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Finding a pilot Message-ID: Cyg > -----Original Message----- > From: John & Allison Cyganowski [mailto:Janah@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Thursday, 28 January 1999 10:48 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Finding a pilot > > > Bob Pearson wrote: >> I just added Jasta 30 to my German profile page, and >> Bertrab's D.III is included. Remember this scheme is highly suspect now. > > For what it is worth Superscale has a 1/48 sheet with this scheme, > 48-599. > > John Cyg. > I wish I had my decal files with me. Remind me - what colours are the comet and outline in Superscales interpretation? Not the same as Bobs? Not the same as Rimells? Or are all three the same? Have a feeling that the black/purple/faded black/grey fuselage colouring isn't the only bone of contention Shane (curious, not critical) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:36:36 -0700 From: Martin Ryan To: WWI List Subject: VSM Model Kit Run Message-ID: <36AFBF24.F6679173@ix.netcom.com> CSM's intial kit run is 100 kits. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:30:03 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hanover CL II Kit Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990127203003.00a2fec8@pop.mindspring.com> At 07:19 PM 1/27/99 -0500, you wrote: > >Aviation World in Toronto bought up a bunch of these when they were >discontinued .. i don't know if any are still there or not .. perhaps in the >back room for the asking? >>Bob That is where I got mine a year ago. They were less than 5 bucks as I recall. Nice kit. Hope they have more. sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:43:15 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Finding a pilot Message-ID: Bob, > IIRC the captured Nieuport was from the Belgian 5e Escadrille, which had a > shooting star as it's emblem I know the one you mean, and I don't think so. I'll give a exact reference for it tomorrow, but from memory the Belgian comet was smaller, much finer in detail, and the tail was a different shape, being more like a rooster-tail than Bertra[?]'s, which was more in the nature of trailing ribbons or streamers. One source for the Ne. suggests the motif in black on the fuselage sides, and red on the spine......?? Cheers, Mick. > > From: Mick Fauchon > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: Finding a pilot > > Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:56:10 -0500 (EST) > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > Joachim v. Bertrab as he's listed in Above the Lines. An official > > > "ace" with 4 confirmed "victories" April 6, '17 and a fifth on > > > May 15, '17 - all with Jasta 30. > > > > > > Shot down and taken prisoner while attacking a balloon on August > > > 12, '17 - credited to "Mick" Mannock as Mannock's 6th "victory". > > > > > > There's a bit more, including a description of his Albatros D.V > > > if ya' want more. > > > > Thanks, a description of the aircraft would be helpful, especially > > in the light of the markings, in particular the colour of the comet: it > also > > appears to be the same markings as are on a captured Ne. 17, which is what > > got me interested. IOW, did Bertrass [or Bertrab] fly Ne.? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Mick. > > > > > > > > -- > -- > > Mick Fauchon | Internet: > ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au > > Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 > > University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 > > > > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > > M M > > M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M > > M M > > M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M > > M M > > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > > -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:48:02 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Finding a pilot Message-ID: Bob, > I have seen this a/c described as purple with a white outlined red comet > (that was how I profiled it), however black with the comet now seems more > likely. I've seen that too......why black on purple, especially if you want contrast? Of course either works on the aluminium fus. of the Ne. 80( Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:41:35 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: purplenessRe: Finding a pilot Message-ID: <986e829.36afc04f@aol.com> In a message dated 1/27/99 3:56:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, bpearson@kaien.com writes: << Richard, I just added Jasta 30 to my German profile page, and Bertrab's D.III is included. Remember this scheme is highly suspect now. http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1/Germany/30-1.jpg Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 aviation page at http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/ >> It's too bad this scheme can't be confirmed- it'd be neat to amuse your friends and nauseate your enemies with this streamlined eggplant. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:51:09 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: CSM Models Message-ID: Hi all, > > Copper State Models will be releasing > > in 1/48 the HB W.12 > > > > Has anyone seen how much this kit goes for!? I'd almost need > a second home loan! I figured the CSM Albatros W.4 to cost well over A$110 PLUS postage, or something like four times the cost of an Eduard Albatros D.III, and I bet the HB W.12 (being markedly larger) will cost a lot more. One question - WHICH Hansa Brandenburg W.12 There are numerous variations, but three major variations. One - the last - could be easily converted from the Flashback W.29 if you ignore the minor depth problem. Of course, that kit costs about twice the cost of an Eduard D.III, but it'd still be *much* cheaper and more satisfying Shane nb Albatrii D.V, D.Va, W.4 Caproni Ca.3 (details) nd Pepsi Max :-þ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:44:06 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: rms sissy boys wasRe: SPIN Ansaldo Message-ID: <199901280034.QAA01953@mailhost.fltdyn.com> Shane Weier wrote: > While I agree in broad terms with much of what Mark has written Oh, I bet you say that to ALL the boys.. ;-) > I think he > has somewhat missed the point - which is that there is an enormous element > within the *serious* modelling fraternity who have succumbed to the "me > first" philosophy of expecting everything to be done for them, and following > the Nader dicta, will howl and bitch loud and long over the slightest real > or imaginary fault in a kit. What you write is true. I was an IPMS member WAY back when (original #2215, monthlies from England, see PO Box at Ben Franklin Station, etc) , but have let that lapse because MY perceptions are: a) Most US chapters are cliquish beyond endurance, and are getting worse b) National is even worse than local chapters c) There is creeping fundamentalism (I will not go into depth other than to say, as an example, that color chips, to me, are a guideline, not Gospel, and I have 10 years Air Force service under my belt) d) More harm than good is done by the increasingly venomous comments written by self-appointed "critics" about ANY new releases. These folks usually haven't actually finished a kit in ages, and seem to be essentially vultures hovering about looking for something to pick on. None of this is specific to WWI, I know. And I should add that I have never read anything on rms - I simply don't have any interest. (I used to read comp.sci.ai, and brother, talk about theological arguements and endless flame wars!!) Sorry - way off topic. Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:58:09 EST From: Russell W Niles To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Going away... Message-ID: <19990127.175935.2287.0.r_niles@juno.com> Greetings all. I will be un-subscribing for a week or so, while I do a major computer system upgrade. New machine, new mailing address, etc. So, until we meet again, Happy modeling. Russ Niles IPMS 4450 Too close for missles...switching to guns. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:41:39 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: rms sissy boys wasRe: SPIN Ansaldo Message-ID: In a message dated 1/27/99 3:57:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, mshanks@fltdyn.com writes: << I feel that, as an "only occasionally WWI" modeler (just as I am "only occasionally WWII", "only occasionally contemporary" and "only occasionally BTW"), I should take a swing at that particular tennis ball. (snip! tuck) The appeal of the WWI subjects comes after some maturity (see, I TOLD you to wait for it!) Not just the "feel" for the intricacy of the kit, with it's attendant rigging and multiple wings, but an appreciation of the designer's art that is physically apparent in the finished product in a way that an F/A-18 cannot possibly be appreciated by the casual modeler. (torn along perforations) BUT - the COST of the reference material, and it's general availability, also plays into this. (rrrrrrrrrip!) So, the WWI crowd is perceived by many in the r.m.s. ghetto, and probably in the boardrooms of the parent companies of the "big" model houses, as a bunch of dry fly, hothouse orchids: purists disdaining the efforts of hands feeding them, ............Some of this is jealousy - there's no etched brass or resin aftermarket accessory that can substitute for skill. Some of it is reverse snobbery - I can honestly say that I probably spent more time on the two cockpits of my Night Attack Hornet than I have on quite a few 1/72nd models. What to make of all this? I think we are living in the Golden Age of modeling - .......and we can gossip about ALL of it to our heart's content on this and many other mail lists. So - what's to complain about - when you get down to basics? now building - Eduard Albatross Dr I (but you knew that), MPM/Toko Hansa Brandenberg W.29 (need both!), and thanks to Aardvark Creations, a 1/48th Ju-388L now drinking - Saxon Jack Frost dopplebock, Bridgetown IPA. C'mon on up - the brew's fine!! Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com>> And a mighty big swing! I agree with much of this: This bit about WW I appealing to older modelers seems to be generally true and I don't know why. In my school days, we all built all kinds of models, and that included a lot of WW I stuff- this was in the early-midearly 60's, so maybe it was all the 50th anniversary hoo-pla going around that boosted our interest, but also, this was also the age of the Phantom, B-52, Skyhawk etc, and growing up in the Southern California area, it wasn't a rare thing to see these planes screaming around the sky on any given day. And sure, we built models of these also, along with all the WW II greats- we seemed more ecumenical in our tastes- I don't know what happened to kids! Cost- egad! this may be across the board in all modeling areas- the demand for accurate information has bloomed- once upon a time, everyone "knew" MvR had a red triplane- a 50 cent magazine said so! Today, you gotta get it as pure and true as possible, whether it's an F-16 or a Camel, which, although this really makes it all more satisfying, does cost something. The rms ghetto( I like that!) seems to have become a mudhole of Hasamiya bigots, therefore, I read the postings for a certain unhealthy thrill. A recent posting about the (OT) almost-here 1/48 Ju-52 practically accused Revell-Monogram of some kind of crime because it's not on the market just yet. This is bad enough, and a fine example of the "gimme gimme" mindset, but the response was just plain revolting: " why worry, it's just a piece of Revellogram crap, not in our exalted Tamigawa league". Nothing against Hasegawa or Tamiya, but some of their customer base is made up of whining, spoilt #$#@#$$#$%^%!I've got nothing against any model of anything in any scale or the person that built it, if the model's a good one and the builder is a decent enough human. Heck, the occassional Tamiya jet might be just what's needed to clean out the pipes for the next bipe project. And yes- this is a Golden Age for modelers of all kinds of flying machines, including WW I! I'm amazed at the things available that just weren't there even 5 years ago. Dane's got a point about the P-39 from a business view- if Eduard makes one and scores a ton of money- God bless 'em! They'll stay in business, and maybe still drop a few WW I nuggets on our heads. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:19:04 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: French aeroplanes photos Message-ID: <310ADD18.19A7A7B1@mars.ark.com> re: spad 7 vs a2 ditch the wings (unless you are a masochist), lose the fuselage stringers replace the empenage with plastic card cut off the forward fuselage and make new undercarriage shape is similar enough that they appear to have been related, with the main difference being the engine type. There was an excellent article in WW1 aero some time back (date unknown) that covered the SA series in depth and also commented on similarities to other SPADs and the Depperdussins. I do have a scan of a period drawing of the SA4, but if you have the mini-datafile it's SA.4 drawing was traced from this drawing so there isn't a lot to choose between them. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:06:18 -0600 From: "Charles or Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: HELP! Problem with Eduard Sopwith Pup! Message-ID: <199901280232.UAA16520@mail.primary.net> > What I want is a new wing. So, has anyone else ever had to request a > replacement part from Eduard? There is an address on the box, but it, of > course, is in the Czech Republic, which is a long, long way away from the > Foothills here. And would my letter have to be in Czech? Or can someone > there read English? > Dane- I had a problem with a part in their Albatros CIII being mis-molded, mailed off the part and English typed letter to their Czech address and received a replacement with in 2-3 weeks. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:17:08 -0600 From: "Charles or Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Stripping Paint by Scalecoat Message-ID: <199901280232.UAA16534@mail.primary.net> I have been using a commerical product called 'Unpaint' made by Scalecoat for the past 12-15 years successfully (Scalecoat mades a model RR line of paint). I've used it to remove laquer, enamel and acrylic from plastic, wood and brass models. It's mild enough that it doesn't attack the glue welds. I have reused the same stripper 10-15 times by merely pouring the liquid back into the bottle. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:39:47 -0600 From: "John Glaser" To: Subject: RE: HELP! Problem with Eduard Sopwith Pup! Message-ID: <001901be4a67$78760540$52424a0c@jg_notebook> There's also an address and fax number at their web site http://www.eduard.cz/ - John -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu] On Behalf Of Rick Milas Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 3:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: HELP! Problem with Eduard Sopwith Pup! Dane, About a year and a half ago I purchased the Eduard Pfalz DIII. It was missing a part which looked like it had been cut off the sprue. I did contact Eduard and was sent a free replacement part. They have an address in Canada. I tried phoning them first but the number which I had found listed in Fine Scale Modeler didn't work. So I just tried writing. I believe I used this address: 49 Fair Oaks Cr Nepean, ON K26 4W3 I say I believe I used this address, because I think at the time I had two possible addresses, but this is the one I have written down on my Pfalz instruction sheet. Unless someone else can come up with something more recent, give it a try. Rick Milas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:04:55 -0600 From: "Charles or Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Hanriot HD.1/HD.2 'Boxart' Message-ID: <199901280258.UAA26490@mail.primary.net> Hit the Eduard site tonight and came across this beautiful painting of a Italian Hanroit in a dogfight with two AH Albatroses. Too bad their calendar only covered the 'other' war (but it sells) - maybe the Y2K calendar will bring out some of our favorite a/c. http://www.eduard.cz/modely/8034.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:02:07 -0500 (EST) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: D & J Hobby Message-ID: I am having a little difficulty communicating with D & J Hobby. Has anyone had any experience dealing with this outfit? I emailed them via their web page but I don't have an email address for them per se. I phoned twice, long distance - no 800 number, was put on hold twice, and then cut off. Is this indicative of their service or are they just havinga bad day? Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:10:39 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hanriot HD.1/HD.2 'Boxart' Message-ID: <36AFD52F.2DF9@bellsouth.net> Charles or Linda Duckworth wrote: > > Hit the Eduard site tonight and came across this beautiful painting of a > Italian Hanroit in a dogfight with two AH Albatroses. Makes nice wallpaper. Thanks. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:14:04 -0700 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: HELP! Problem with Eduard Sopwith Pup! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990127211404.0070de64@mail> At 09:32 PM 27/01/99 -0500, you wrote: >> What I want is a new wing. So, has anyone else ever had to request a >> replacement part from Eduard? There is an address on the box, but it, of >> course, is in the Czech Republic, which is a long, long way away from the >> Foothills here. And would my letter have to be in Czech? Or can someone >> there read English? >> Dane- >I had a problem with a part in their Albatros CIII being mis-molded, mailed >off the part and English typed letter to their Czech address and received a >replacement with in 2-3 weeks. Charlie > > That's what I wanted to hear. Thanks. Dane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 01:16:42 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Antenna reel detail photo Message-ID: I came across this detailed photo of a 1918 vintage antenna reel, such as would be found in a cockpit. Thought it might interest some of the super- detailers among us. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=61118434 For your viewing and/or printing pleasure. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:34:46 -0800 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: RE: rms sissy boys Message-ID: <36B13A66.542849A8@tac.com.au> > While I agree in broad terms with much of what Mark has written I think he > has somewhat missed the poit - which is that there is an enormous element > withing the *serious* modelling fraternity who have succumbed to the "me > first" philosophy of expecting everything to be done for them, and following > the Nader dicta, will howl and bitch loud and long over the slightest real > or imaginary fault in a kit. > > Going ever so slightly off topic, I read (and responded fairly rudely) a > post on r.m.s yesterday by someone whinging mightily and rather childishly > about the absence (so far) of Revell Monograms ney 1/48 Ju-52. While this > riled me I was absolutely flabbergatsed to read one of the first responses, > to the effect that the model was only a "Monogram piece of crap which > wouldn't fit like a Tamiya kit" and that the whiner simply shouldn't bother > with it. Sadly, NOT ONE response came from the greater r.m.s readership, yet > R-M are now producing high quality, well detailed cheap (in the USA) kits or > long awaited subject whose priciple failing IMHO is only the subject matter > - NOT WW1. > > Yeah, I *know* that there are modellers in both the serious and casual > modelling fraternities who are either (a) willing to correct a minor failing > or (b) ignore it, but it concerns me that an ingrained attitude is rising in > a fairly specialist forum like r.m.s which really believes that kits which > don't fit like Tamiya ARE crap > > Shane Hi Guys & Gals, I couldn't agree more with the above sentiments(& those by Dane, Mark & Rob Karr). It's a pity that rms is de-generating into such short sighted posts. My pet peeve is usually with the people who slam Airfix kits & say that they shouldn't be releasing the "old crap" because of some gaps that need puttying, lack of detail and kids who buy them will build an inaccurate kit etc. And yeah, I know that some Airfix kits aren't worth the hassle(if you want an accurate kit), but constantly slamming a model company isn't on either. There really seems to be a move towards "shake the box & out comes a model" mentality. But there is still modellers who frequent rms & other forums who will take a kit & make something of it & most of all will ENJOY doing it & won't bitch about it to all & sundry. So please don't tar all off rms with the same brush. I mean after all, I post there :-)) Ducking for cover ;-þ Shane (the Younger, although I'm catching up) Ps: Happy birthday Sandy, nice to someone else born in January :-). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:44:58 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: rms sissy boys wasRe: SPIN Ansaldo Message-ID: <199901281014.KAA16260@beryl.sol.co.uk> > They would make a great P-39, but I'd > to see them instead do somethig else that hasn't been so well covered- > howza'bout a DH-4? I for one am delighted if the general response of the flush-rivet brigade is that Eduard kits are crappy. Hopefully no-one will ever buy one, Eduard will realise that their true destiny lies in Word War One and start to plan a new extended series of bipes. But maybe they have already come to this conclusion, viz the Camel, SE5a, Pfalz DIIIa announcements on the Hannant's page? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 05:43:28 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Itallian Nieuport question Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990128054328.00a2b54c@pop.mindspring.com> I'm working on a Nieuport 17 in Itallian markings. I based it on the 5 view in the Profiles of WWI Planes book. This shows the red & green on the lower surfaces of both wings. The center sections are aluminum doped in the drawing. Was this actually the case or did they paint white between the red & green on their Nie.17s? TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 04:59:51 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Antenna reel detail photo Message-ID: <19990128.051225.-823193.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 01:19:23 -0500 (EST) Zulis@aol.com writes: >I came across this detailed photo of a 1918 vintage antenna reel, such >as >would be found in a cockpit. Thought it might interest some of the >super- >detailers among us. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=61118434 > >For your viewing and/or printing pleasure. "Something" is not letting me into the site. Could someone forward me the picture to: tbittners@sprintmail.com please? TIA! Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 05:17:24 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Itallian Nieuport question Message-ID: <19990128.051725.-823193.5.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 05:48:11 -0500 (EST) "Steven M. Perry" writes: > I'm working on a Nieuport 17 in Itallian markings. I based it on > the 5 view in the Profiles of WWI Planes book. This shows the > red & green on the lower surfaces of both wings. The center > sections are aluminum doped in the drawing. Was this actually > the case or did they paint white between the red & green on > their Nie.17s? It's very hard to tell. The Italian Intergest book can be interpreted both ways. It has color plates of Nie.17's, and the ones that are red/whatever/green on the under-wings are depicted both ways. The side view shows white, while the underside view shows aluminum dope. You could probably go either way, and except for those self-appointed color police, no one would be the wiser. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 05:26:05 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Small Parts Message-ID: <19990128.052606.-789977.0.mbittner@juno.com> Upon all the talk of this company on the list, I decided to order a catalog. Wow! There are a not of things in the catalog we can use! However, the neat thing I found - plastic tweezers! Ya-hoo!! However, I'm still looking for a way to degaus the stainless steel tweezers I have, as well as the rigging wire I still have left over. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 06:14:48 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Itallian Nieuport question Message-ID: <36B054B8.2D1F@bellsouth.net> Steven M. Perry wrote: > > I'm working on a Nieuport 17 in Itallian markings. I based it on the 5 view > in the Profiles of WWI Planes book. This shows the red & green on the lower > surfaces of both wings. The center sections are aluminum doped in the > drawing. Was this actually the case or did they paint white between the red > & green on their Nie.17s? > TIA > sp Don't know about Italian N.17's, but I do know that on the SVA's, the undersides that weren't green or red were CDL. So it should be safe to conclude that it was Al. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:20:28 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: SSW R.1&AEG G.IV Message-ID: <199901280720_MC2-684F-9E3D@compuserve.com> Everyone, While getting my photos ready for the Sierra AEG G.IV, I found photos of a kit I forgot I built, the Blue Rider Siemens-Schuckert SSW R.1 1/15 in 1/144th scale. Thinking back, that was an interesting kit. It was a combination of metal and plastic. Upon completion, I mailed it to South Carolina and it arrive in the same condition I sent it. Chalk up one for snail mail. Too bad I can't email it. Also, I have the photo of the Sierra AEG G.IV in 1/48th ready. The Web page will be up at any time. Photos are coming, honest. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:02:40 -0500 From: James Gibbons To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Re: Airfix Hanover CL II(I) Kit Message-ID: <01BE4A94.946DED80.jgibbons@vppsa.com> I concur that this kit is out of production. However, I've not yet had any particular difficulty finding one. If Aviation World can't help out drop me a line off-list and I'll see what I can do. James Gibbons ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:37:24 -0700 From: "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: rms sissy boys Message-ID: <5DA4C4BE65D9D111A6FC0060081FD2189E71BE@SNEFFELS> WOW! Maybe I shouldn't continue this, but I felt the overwhelming need to comment (I really should see someone about this). I've never posted anything to rms, and don't go out to look at it very often. I AM an officer of my local IPMS chapter, and took those comment to heart:-<. I freely admit (something else I need to see someone about) that the vast majority of my models are from the other war, and that I love to see new kits from Tamigawa because they are generally very nice. Look, if I have something I want to build a model of and I have a choice between an old Airfix kit and a new Tamiya one (Spit V), I'm goin' for Tamiya. No use doing it the hard way if you don't have to. I have gotten back into WWI at least partially because of that reason; Eduard and (occasionally) DML/Dragon are producing really good 1/48 scale kits and I don't have to try to use Aurora any more. But I just read something on the Scale Ship Modeling List (you think WWI modelers have it tough!) that rings true for me, at least. The point often is the history. If you're interested in that, you want to build it. If you're not, you don't. Often, for good or ill, younger people (hey, I'm only 38) don't realize the significance of WWI and thus aren't interested in building it. As we get older, we see more of the sweep of history, and if we keep learning we begin to learn more about it. Thus WWI comes into our sights and we start to look around for ways to include it in our own method of honoring those who came before us. Let's face it, most kids these days never even heard of Vietnam (remember that?)! Well, THAT was rambling and unconnected. But what the hey, it's how I feel (rambling and unconnected, that is). Finally, I'm forced to agree with those comments here about the guy on rms who whined about Revellogram. I have quite a bit of their stuff and their Century Series kits are GREAT (though my fingers do get a little sore after scribing out an F-105). Their Pro-modeler line is as good as the boys from Nippon. This guy probably wouldn't build Accurate Miniatures because the "don't fit right". Yipes! Has anyone checked to see if the guy is employed by Hasemiya? I guess if his comments stay out there unflamed, staying away from rms might be my continuing policy. Besides, you all are too much fun already! :-) Michael Satin IPMS #25696 (and still proud of it) ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1418 **********************