WWI Digest 1417 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Web Update by Allan Wright 2) Re: HELP! Problem with Eduard Sopwith Pup! by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 3) Re: Finding a pilot by Mick Fauchon 4) RE: Finding a pilot by Shane Weier 5) Re: Finding a pilot by Bob Pearson 6) RE: Finding a pilot by Bob Pearson 7) RE: French aeroplanes photos by "Richard Caudron" 8) RE: French aeroplanes photos by "Richard Caudron" 9) RE: Hanover CL II Kit by "Richard Caudron" 10) Re: rms sissy boys wasRe: SPIN Ansaldo by Matthew E Bittner 11) Re: Hanover CL II Kit by Matthew E Bittner 12) RE: Finding a pilot by "Richard Caudron" 13) RE: Finding a pilot by "Richard Caudron" 14) RE: Visit to UK by "Richard Caudron" 15) Re: Finding a pilot by Matthew E Bittner 16) Re: HELP! Problem with Eduard Sopwith Pup! by "David R.L. Laws" 17) RE: Finding a pilot by Bob Pearson 18) Re: rms sissy boys wasRe: SPIN Ansaldo by "Mark Shanks" 19) Re: Hanover CL II Kit by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 20) RE: rms sissy boys wasRe: SPIN Ansaldo by Shane Weier 21) Re: Eduard /KAE Hannovers by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 22) Re: Hanover CL II Kit by Bob Pearson 23) Re: HELP! Problem with Eduard Sopwith Pup! by Mike Dicianna 24) Re: Hanover CL II Kit by mgoodwin@ricochet.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:21:50 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: Web Update Message-ID: <199901272121.QAA21332@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hi, More updated to the web, 6 new Jim Alley images and a new gallery with Guy Fawcett's flying R/C models. Enjoy. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:26:40 -0700 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: HELP! Problem with Eduard Sopwith Pup! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990127142640.0070b694@mail> At 04:09 PM 27/01/99 -0500, you wrote: >Dane, >About a year and a half ago I purchased the Eduard Pfalz DIII. It was >missing a part which looked like it had been cut off the sprue. I did >contact Eduard and was sent a free replacement part. They have an address >in Canada. I tried phoning them first but the number which I had found >listed in Fine Scale Modeler didn't work. So I just tried writing. I >believe I used this address: > 49 Fair Oaks Cr > Nepean, ON K26 4W3 >I say I believe I used this address, because I think at the time I had two >possible addresses, but this is the one I have written down on my Pfalz >instruction sheet. Unless someone else can come up with something more >recent, give it a try. >Rick Milas > > Thanks Rick, I'll certainly give it a try. Another list member sent me some e-mail offering some advice on curing it with radical surgery, and after slamming the sissy-r.m.s. crowd in other recent posts, I can't be too quick in saying it can't be done, but I'd prefer to try getting a replacement part before trying to fix it with whatever. Dane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:01:53 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Finding a pilot Message-ID: Bill, > Joachim v. Bertrab as he's listed in Above the Lines. An official > "ace" with 4 confirmed "victories" April 6, '17 and a fifth on > May 15, '17 - all with Jasta 30. > > Shot down and taken prisoner while attacking a balloon on August > 12, '17 - credited to "Mick" Mannock as Mannock's 6th "victory". > > There's a bit more, including a description of his Albatros D.V > if ya' want more. Thanks, a description of the aircraft would be helpful, especially in the light of the markings, in particular the colour of the comet: it also appears to be the same markings as are on a captured Ne. 17, which is what got me interested. IOW, did Bertrass [or Bertrab] fly Ne.? Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:06:51 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Finding a pilot Message-ID: Mick, > Thanks, a description of the aircraft would be helpful, > especially in the light of the markings, in particular the colour of the > comet: it also appears to be the same markings as are on a captured Ne. 17, > which is what got me interested. IOW, did Bertrass [or Bertrab] fly Ne.? Mmm. IIRC this aircraft is one of the contentious ones, particularly regarding the colour of the fuselage which has been portrayed in a variety of ways. I'd be very interested to hear the list opinion myself Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:58:44 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Finding a pilot Message-ID: <199901272158.NAA01869@spare.rapidnet.net> Mick, IIRC the captured Nieuport was from the Belgian 5e Escadrille, which had a shooting star as it's emblem Bob ---------- > From: Mick Fauchon > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Finding a pilot > Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:56:10 -0500 (EST) > > > > Bill, > > > > Joachim v. Bertrab as he's listed in Above the Lines. An official > > "ace" with 4 confirmed "victories" April 6, '17 and a fifth on > > May 15, '17 - all with Jasta 30. > > > > Shot down and taken prisoner while attacking a balloon on August > > 12, '17 - credited to "Mick" Mannock as Mannock's 6th "victory". > > > > There's a bit more, including a description of his Albatros D.V > > if ya' want more. > > Thanks, a description of the aircraft would be helpful, especially > in the light of the markings, in particular the colour of the comet: it also > appears to be the same markings as are on a captured Ne. 17, which is what > got me interested. IOW, did Bertrass [or Bertrab] fly Ne.? > > > Cheers, > > Mick. > > > > -- -- > Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au > Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 > University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 > > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > M M > M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M > M M > M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M > M M > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:28:28 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: Finding a pilot Message-ID: <199901272228.OAA02080@spare.rapidnet.net> Shane writes . . > Mmm. IIRC this aircraft is one of the contentious ones, particularly > regarding the colour of the fuselage which has been portrayed in a variety > of ways. I'd be very interested to hear the list opinion myself I have seen this a/c described as purple with a white outlined red comet (that was how I profiled it), however black with the comet now seems more likely. The fusleage cross is reversed from normal practice .. (black outline, greyish cross) and the tail cross is overpainted white .. leaving the cross itself appearing grey with a white outline. regards, Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:53:42 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: French aeroplanes photos Message-ID: <000001be4a47$e3277560$e52b5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> Hi Yves, Do you se any chance to highlight the differences between a Spad A2 (beside the gunner position, an the wind deflectors on the engine side) and a Spad VII ? If I made a mistake, and that the airplanes are completely different, do not even try ... Otherwise, a nice follow promiss me a Caudron GIV, and all the documentation possible is welcome ... Regards, Richard Caudron > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Yves Buffetaut > Sent: woensdag 27 januari 1999 9:00 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: French aeroplanes photos > > > Dear List members, > I must go to the French Air Force Archives in February and have a look > at the photographic section. So, if some of you need information about > any plane, please let me know. They've got photographs of all French WW1 > planes or foreign aircrafts which were flown by the French Air Force. If > someone is interested by prints, I can order some. I will check out > today to know the exact price of each picture. > Yves > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:53:45 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: French aeroplanes photos Message-ID: <000101be4a47$e4d2b460$e52b5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> Dear Yves, If you find ome documentation about Gothas, AEG IV, please think to me. Regards, Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Yves Buffetaut > Sent: woensdag 27 januari 1999 9:00 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: French aeroplanes photos > > > Dear List members, > I must go to the French Air Force Archives in February and have a look > at the photographic section. So, if some of you need information about > any plane, please let me know. They've got photographs of all French WW1 > planes or foreign aircrafts which were flown by the French Air Force. If > someone is interested by prints, I can order some. I will check out > today to know the exact price of each picture. > Yves > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:53:48 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: Hanover CL II Kit Message-ID: <000201be4a47$e6a8ace0$e52b5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> No, it is not produced anymore, and nobody did produce it again. It is well anounced on 1/48 scale by Eduard, but nothing fir 1/72. I did open mine last month, and I discover that the halve was missing ... So, welcome in the club of the Hanover CLIII unsatisfied fan club ... Can anybody supply a kit, please : richard_caudron@ibm.net Regards, Richard .. > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Ultan C J O Broin > Sent: woensdag 27 januari 1999 21:39 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Hanover CL II Kit > > > Can anyone tell me if Airfix still manufacture this kit? > Does anyone else manufacture one? > > > Ultan > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:56:02 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: rms sissy boys wasRe: SPIN Ansaldo Message-ID: <19990127.165851.-910707.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:54:37 -0500 (EST) KarrArt@aol.com writes: >I do believe a certain ignorance is operating here, plus the fact that >alot ( >not all- don't send me any hate mail)of the rms people are sissy boy >whiners >who probably have velcro shoes instead of laces because they're too >lazy or >incompetant to tie their own. True-er words have never been spoken. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:02:06 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hanover CL II Kit Message-ID: <19990127.170212.-910707.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:38:53 -0500 (EST) "Ultan C J O Broin" writes: >Can anyone tell me if Airfix still manufacture this kit? >Does anyone else manufacture one? I believe it's currently out of the Airfix catalog. Unfortunately I know of no other kits of the type. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:04:06 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: Finding a pilot Message-ID: <000301be4a49$56ff6a00$e52b5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> The Brussels WWI museum have still a Nieuport 17 with its comet (shooting star). If needed, I can scan it and send it. Give me you private E-mail to richard_caudron@ibm.be Cheers, Richard Caudron, Belgium > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Bob Pearson > Sent: woensdag 27 januari 1999 23:11 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Finding a pilot > > > > Mick, > > IIRC the captured Nieuport was from the Belgian 5e Escadrille, which had a > shooting star as it's emblem > > Bob > > ---------- > > From: Mick Fauchon > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: Finding a pilot > > Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:56:10 -0500 (EST) > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > Joachim v. Bertrab as he's listed in Above the Lines. An official > > > "ace" with 4 confirmed "victories" April 6, '17 and a fifth on > > > May 15, '17 - all with Jasta 30. > > > > > > Shot down and taken prisoner while attacking a balloon on August > > > 12, '17 - credited to "Mick" Mannock as Mannock's 6th "victory". > > > > > > There's a bit more, including a description of his Albatros D.V > > > if ya' want more. > > > > Thanks, a description of the aircraft would be helpful, especially > > in the light of the markings, in particular the colour of the comet: it > also > > appears to be the same markings as are on a captured Ne. 17, > which is what > > got me interested. IOW, did Bertrass [or Bertrab] fly Ne.? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Mick. > > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > Mick Fauchon | Internet: > ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au > > Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 > > University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 > > > > > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > > M > M > > M Tasmanian Devil: > "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M > > M > M > > M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in > the Navy now!" M > > M > M > > > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:04:10 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: Finding a pilot Message-ID: <000401be4a49$595a22e0$e52b5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> Do you have any shema of this airplane ? richard_caudron@ibm.net > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Bob Pearson > Sent: woensdag 27 januari 1999 23:41 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Finding a pilot > > > > Shane writes . . > > > Mmm. IIRC this aircraft is one of the contentious ones, particularly > > regarding the colour of the fuselage which has been portrayed > in a variety > > of ways. I'd be very interested to hear the list opinion myself > > I have seen this a/c described as purple with a white outlined red comet > (that was how I profiled it), however black with the comet now seems more > likely. The fusleage cross is reversed from normal practice .. (black > outline, greyish cross) and the tail cross is overpainted white .. leaving > the cross itself appearing grey with a white outline. > > regards, > Bob > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:14:28 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: Visit to UK Message-ID: <000501be4a4a$c98f4e40$e52b5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> Please, make some time for Yeovilton. I did visit a few museums in UK, and I have to say that I discover the Fleet Air Arm under its best look there. It is a living museum, where these guys did reproduce a aircraft carrier !!! Not on scale, but in real time. It is really amazing. Even if your wife is not a airplane fanatic, she will be crazy about Yeovilton for its animations. And you, for its collections ... If you still have some time, Brussels is on 3.00 train from London, and our WWI collections are not so bad. If you come so far, just tell me, and we can make something ... Regards, Richard Caudron, Brussels > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Satin, Michael N. (SHEP) > Sent: woensdag 27 januari 1999 17:13 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Visit to UK > > > Morning all (at least, it is here), > > We're (my wife and I) are planning a visit to the UK in late May. > She has consented to put up with my desire to see aeroplanes and ships if > she gets to see gardens. We've already got Portsmouth on the > itinerary, and > the question(s) I have for you Brits are, what air museums should I visit? > Is Hendon the one if I can only visit one? We only have about a week and > I'm somewhat ashamed to admit that I'm interested in non-topic > stuff as well > as WWI. Also, does anyone know if Chartwell (Churchill's home) > is open as a > museum and if so, exactly where it is? If not, is there a different place > we should go as a Churchill Mecca? And what about book stores > for aviation > related materials? Finally, is Hannant's in London the place to go, or > should we plan to go to Lowestoft? > > In a no doubt hopeless attempt to keep the off-topic mail down, feel > free to reply off-line. Thanks all! > > Michael Satin > Michael.Satin@shepards.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:17:35 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Finding a pilot Message-ID: <19990127.172442.-905623.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:04:24 -0500 (EST) "Richard Caudron" writes: >The Brussels WWI museum have still a Nieuport 17 with its comet >(shooting >star). >If needed, I can scan it and send it. Give me you private E-mail to Wow. That's one *BIG* scanner... :-) Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:41:08 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: HELP! Problem with Eduard Sopwith Pup! Message-ID: <36B030B4.7AB8@webtime.com.au> Dane Using the Harry Woodman method of a balsa/ basswood core and scored thin card skin covering over would be the cheapest and easiest way to go and give you a gentle introduction to scratch building techniques - The Pup wing is not a hard one to do at all Ps don't forget the article in Windsock by Woodman on correcting the Pup David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:43:14 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: Finding a pilot Message-ID: <199901272343.PAA02687@spare.rapidnet.net> Richard writes . . . > Do you have any shema of this airplane ? > > I have seen this a/c described as purple with a white outlined red comet > > (that was how I profiled it), however black with the comet now seems more > > likely. The fusleage cross is reversed from normal practice .. (black > > outline, greyish cross) and the tail cross is overpainted white .. leaving > > the cross itself appearing grey with a white outline. Richard, I just added Jasta 30 to my German profile page, and Bertrab's D.III is included. Remember this scheme is highly suspect now. http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1/Germany/30-1.jpg Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 aviation page at http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:02:36 -0700 From: "Mark Shanks" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: rms sissy boys wasRe: SPIN Ansaldo Message-ID: <199901272253.OAA00337@mailhost.fltdyn.com> Dane Anderson writes: > This might also indicate a general condition that will mitigate against > W.W. I ever attaining really widespread popularity. The aircraft are > fabulous, the markings colourful and often even outrageous, and W.W. I > should be popular, but no matter how good the kits from Eduard get, W.W. I > kits will always have two or more wings (okay, some exceptions) which will > require careful alignment, and will generally require a greater or lesser > amount of rigging. In other words, no W.W. I kit will ever be a "shake the > box" kit. It will always require SOME amount of work, patience, and > modelling skill from the builder. And yet there seem to be so many > modellers who want, at almost any cost, to avoid doing any work on a kit. I feel that, as an "only occasionally WWI" modeler (just as I am "only occasionally WWII", "only occasionally contemporary" and "only occasionally BTW"), I should take a swing at that particular tennis ball. Mention WWI, and of course the first thing that pops into the average pointed head is......Richthofen. (Please note that I am old enough to remember when Charles Schultz *first* had Snoopy fighting the "Red Baron", and a whole LOT of people even THEN didn't know who he was referring to!!) The typical modeler, to steal a line, "started out as a child" (well, *I* did...) and frankly, most of them do not have the ability to relate to a stick-and-canvas kite as much as they can get excited over a shark-mouthed, missile-firing, bomb-dropping, after-burning war machine that they just saw on the evening news. (Now, wait for it..............) The appeal of the WWI subjects comes after some maturity (see, I TOLD you to wait for it!) Not just the "feel" for the intricacy of the kit, with it's attendant rigging and multiple wings, but an appreciation of the designer's art that is physically apparent in the finished product in a way that an F/A-18 cannot possibly be appreciated by the casual modeler. The WWI modeler (and I apologize for generalizing towards aircraft) must not only have a certain degree of modeling skill: there is a basic need to understand just WHAT is being done. Those bungees, ribs, tapes, turnbuckles, washouts, scallops, etc etc serve a very distinct purpose on those planes, and the modeler who doesn't understand them and omits them does so not only at the cost of derision from the "old hands" but at the loss of the essential *nature* of the subject they have chosen. It isn't *only* aligning the wings - it's *knowing* that the rigging HAS to be in specific locations, not because the pilot thinks it makes a neat noise but to keep the $%^&ing thing together! For example - I can knock off a perfectly acceptable car model, and if people look under the hood and don't see a distributor cap with spark plug leads, I don't expect to hear complaints. BUT - show up with a (pick yer poison, friend - any WWI subject will do) and it isn't rigged - well, what kind of reaction will THAT get, even from the crassest tyro? BUT - the COST of the reference material, and it's general availability, also plays into this. It seems to be a vicious circle (pardon the abundance of cliches....): Windsock costs $11.00 or more (US) for 40 pp of material - it can't sell a million issues, so it has to cost more to break even. The same applies to almost ALL WWI reference material. There are precious few incentives to the toiling kit manufacturer, too: since the dedicated WWI modeler IS a more discerning consumer, the manufacturer may work long and hard on a particular kit, only to release it to withering criticism because the wicker seat has too few rows of weaving in it, or the rib tapes are too prominent, or the prop pitch is too high. Well, hell's bells, why bother trying to cater to such a finicky crowd when you can palm off (yet) another WWII plane, get far fewer gripes, and sell a boatload of 'em? So, the WWI crowd is perceived by many in the r.m.s. ghetto, and probably in the boardrooms of the parent companies of the "big" model houses, as a bunch of dry fly, hothouse orchids: purists disdaining the efforts of hands feeding them, scornful of the great unwashed who lower themselves to modeling things that have only a single wing, and sometimes sans propeller. Some of this is jealousy - there's no etched brass or resin aftermarket accessory that can substitute for skill. Some of it is reverse snobbery - I can honestly say that I probably spent more time on the two cockpits of my Night Attack Hornet than I have on quite a few 1/72nd models. Some of it is ignorance - those who haven't worked in this particular vineyard can't know what they are missing. And some of it.......... What to make of all this? I think we are living in the Golden Age of modeling - the recent Toko and Eduard kits are manna from heaven, there's stuff on the market *I* never DREAMT of seeing (vis the Eduard Tripe and the Albatross Dr I, like the subjects or not), there's no end in sight of fabulous releases, and we can gossip about ALL of it to our heart's content on this and many other mail lists. So - what's to complain about - when you get down to basics? now building - Eduard Albatross Dr I (but you knew that), MPM/Toko Hansa Brandenberg W.29 (need both!), and thanks to Aardvark Creations, a 1/48th Ju-388L now drinking - Saxon Jack Frost dopplebock, Bridgetown IPA. C'mon on up - the brew's fine!! Mark mshanks@fltdyn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 04:06:21 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hanover CL II Kit Message-ID: <36B052BD.4565@ricochet.net> Matthew E Bittner wrote: > I believe it's currently out of the Airfix catalog. This is arguably the best WWI kit Airfix ever issued (undoubtedly the best reason to fool with lozenge decals), and unfortunately also, with the possible exception of the HP 0/400, the rarest. Along with at least the Roland C.II and the RE8, the The Airfix Hannoveraner (?) was reissued in the '70s (?) by MPC with dorky 'custom' decals, a la car and van grahics. This is probably the most affordable incarnation of the Hannover kit on this side of the pond. I paid $10 for one and was happy to have found it. I know a few list members have piles of the Airfix kits squirreled away...my pile's only two high. > Unfortunately I know of no other kits of the type. Is this kit old enough to have pre-empted any vacs? Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:13:58 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: rms sissy boys wasRe: SPIN Ansaldo Message-ID: Hi all, > Dane Anderson writes: > > > This might also indicate a general condition that will > mitigate against > > W.W. I ever attaining really widespread popularity. The aircraft are > > fabulous, the markings colourful and often even outrageous, > and W.W. I > > should be popular, but no matter how good the kits from > Eduard get, W.W. I > > kits will always have two or more wings (okay, some > exceptions) which will > > require careful alignment, and will generally require a > greater or lesser > > amount of rigging. In other words, no W.W. I kit will ever > be a "shake the > > box" kit. It will always require SOME amount of work, patience, and > > modelling skill from the builder. And yet there seem to be so many > > modellers who want, at almost any cost, to avoid doing any > work on a kit. > Mark replies (in part) > So, the WWI crowd is perceived by many in the r.m.s. ghetto, and > probably in the boardrooms of the parent companies of the "big" model > houses, as a bunch of dry fly, hothouse orchids: purists disdaining > the efforts of hands feeding them, scornful of the great unwashed who > lower themselves to modeling things that have only a single wing, and > sometimes sans propeller. Some of this is jealousy - there's no > etched brass or resin aftermarket accessory that can substitute for > skill. Some of it is reverse snobbery - I can honestly say that I > probably spent more time on the two cockpits of my Night Attack > Hornet than I have on quite a few 1/72nd models. Some of it is > ignorance - those who haven't worked in this particular vineyard > can't know what they are missing. And some of it.......... While I agree in broad terms with much of what Mark has written I think he has somewhat missed the poit - which is that there is an enormous element withing the *serious* modelling fraternity who have succumbed to the "me first" philosophy of expecting everything to be done for them, and following the Nader dicta, will howl and bitch loud and long over the slightest real or imaginary fault in a kit. Going ever so slightly off topic, I read (and responded fairly rudely) a post on r.m.s yesterday by someone whinging mightily and rather childishly about the absence (so far) of Revell Monograms ney 1/48 Ju-52. While this riled me I was absolutely flabbergatsed to read one of the first responses, to the effect that the model was only a "Monogram piece of crap which wouldn't fit like a Tamiya kit" and that the whiner simply shouldn't bother with it. Sadly, NOT ONE response came from the greater r.m.s readership, yet R-M are now producing high quality, well detailed cheap (in the USA) kits or long awaited subject whose priciple failing IMHO is only the subject matter - NOT WW1. Yeah, I *know* that there are modellers in both the serious and casual modelling fraternities who are either (a) willing to correct a minor failing or (b) ignore it, but it concerns me that an ingrained attitude is rising in a fairly specialist forum like r.m.s which really believes that kits which don't fit like Tamiya ARE crap Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 04:16:14 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard /KAE Hannovers Message-ID: <36B0550E.6411@ricochet.net> Richard Caudron wrote: > > Can anybody supply a kit, please? I would encourage anyone with the Eduard kit to seek out the Koster Aero Enterprises (pl?) Cl.II/IIIa vac. It is truly superb, from the resin control surfaces to the decals with good looking lozenge markings for and 5-6 aircraft. The surface detail in some respects is superior to the Eduard, esp. regarding the cowling louvres, and there are enough fiddly bits to built the Koster kit AND supplement the parts Eduard left out: the flare cartridges and grenade racks. FWIW, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:07:36 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Hanover CL II Kit Message-ID: <199901280007.QAA02936@spare.rapidnet.net> Aviation World in Toronto bought up a bunch of these when they were discontinued .. i don't know if any are still there or not .. perhaps in the back room for the asking? Bob ---------- > From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Hanover CL II Kit > Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:08:44 -0500 (EST) > > Matthew E Bittner wrote: > > > I believe it's currently out of the Airfix catalog. > > This is arguably the best WWI kit Airfix ever issued (undoubtedly the > best reason to fool with lozenge decals), and unfortunately also, with > the possible exception of the HP 0/400, the rarest. Along with at least > the Roland C.II and the RE8, the The Airfix Hannoveraner (?) was > reissued in the '70s (?) by MPC with dorky 'custom' decals, a la car and > van grahics. This is probably the most affordable incarnation of the > Hannover kit on this side of the pond. I paid $10 for one and was happy > to have found it. > I know a few list members have piles of the Airfix kits squirreled > away...my pile's only two high. > > > Unfortunately I know of no other kits of the type. > > Is this kit old enough to have pre-empted any vacs? > > Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:26:18 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: HELP! Problem with Eduard Sopwith Pup! Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19990127162618.006f8900@dnc.net> At 06:23 PM 1/27/99 -0500, you wrote: >Dane > >Using the Harry Woodman method of a balsa/ basswood core and scored thin >card skin covering over would be the cheapest and easiest way to go and >give you a gentle introduction to scratch building techniques - The Pup >wing is not a hard one to do at all > >Ps don't forget the article in Windsock by Woodman on correcting the Pup > >David > >Not having a large collection of Windsocks, What issue had the Woodman article. Do you think it would still be available from England? Planning on doing the pup with the Colorful blue Rider decals sometime soon. Mikedc "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 04:28:59 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Hanover CL II Kit Message-ID: <36B0580B.2613@ricochet.net> Bob Pearson wrote: > > Aviation World in Toronto bought up a bunch of these when they were > discontinued ... Which kit? Airfix, MPC, Eduard, KAE? Riordan ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1417 **********************