WWI Digest 1407 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Croix De Guerre by Yves Buffetaut 2) The return of my site by Bob Pearson 3) Re: Bandwidth issue by Allan Wright 4) RE: Bandwidth issue by Charles Stephanian 5) RE: Bandwidth issue by mkendix 6) Re: Paper Airplanes by Matthew Zivich 7) RE: Bandwidth issue by "John C Glaser" 8) Bandwith issues by "Steven M. Perry" 9) Re: Bandwidth issue by Allan Wright 10) RE: Bandwidth issue by "Richard Caudron" 11) RE: Cat theme by "Richard Caudron" 12) RE: Baumer Albatros by Shane Weier 13) RE: Dolphin> WAS: WWI model by Shane Weier 14) RE: MvR theories:WAS VCR alert by Shane Weier 15) Re: MvR theories:WAS VCR alert by "Sandy Adam" 16) Re: MvR's big headache.... by "sharon Henderson" 17) Calling Mr. Alexandre Trifoni by Pedro e Francisca Soares 18) Re: Dolphin> WAS: WWI model by Mike Fletcher 19) RE: Dolphin> WAS: WWI model by Shane Weier 20) Re: VCR alert by "sharon Henderson" 21) Re: VCR alert by "sharon Henderson" 22) Re: MvR theories:WAS VCR alert by Zulis@aol.com 23) RE: MvR theories:WAS VCR alert by Shane Weier 24) RE: Dolphin> WAS: WWI model by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 25) Hanriot Photo by bucky@ptdprolog.net 26) RE: Dolphin> WAS: WWI model by Shane Weier 27) Re: Dolphin> WAS: WWI model by KarrArt@aol.com 28) Re: Calling Mr. Alexandre Trifoni by "Alexandre de C. Triffoni" 29) Caproni> WAS: WWI model by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:57:57 +0200 From: Yves Buffetaut To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Croix De Guerre Message-ID: <36A6FA1F.ACE@club-internet.fr> Dear Robert and all list members, If you're searching on a Croix de Guerre (or Légion d'Honneur) citation, there is one and only address in France : Bureau Central d'Archives Administratives Militaires Caserne Bernadotte 64023 Pau Cedex France As the French administration is not very clever (specially the Army, I'm sorry to say), I don't think they speak any English. Anyway, here is a small text I've written for you in French : Monsieur, Mon ancêtre [here the name of the person concerned] a été décoré de la Croix de Guerre pendant la première guerre mondiale. J'aimerais retrouver sa citation. Voici son identité : né le ..... à .... Il était soldat au ....... Mon lien de parenté est le suivant : [choose one ] petit-fils, petite-fille, petit-neveu, petite-nièce. Je vous prie de croire à l'expression de me sentiments les meilleurs. Please find here the translation : Sir, My ancestor [here the name of the person concerned] was awarded the Croix de Guerre during the WW1. I'd be pleased to get a copy of his citation. Here is his identity : He was born on the ... At [town of birth] He was serving in the [put the regiment or squadron number] My relationship with him is the following : I'm his grand'son, grand'daughter, grand nephew, grand niece [Choose one]. Yours sincerely and you sign. Please don't forget your full address. Four things are most important if you want an answer : date and place of birth, full name and your relationship with the man concerned. According to the French law, you can't get the personal record of everyone until his 120th birthday ! There is only one exception : if you're of his family. I hope this is of some help. Yves ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:48:13 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list , Subject: The return of my site Message-ID: <199901211048.CAA07744@spare.rapidnet.net> Greetings all, Turns out the Rapidnet server's HD is totally screwed (a technical term), therefore my site is now at http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 Be sure to check the What's New page in the next few days as I attempt to fill my 11MB of webspace. Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 aviation page at http://members.xoom.com/Sopwith_5F1 Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:05:13 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bandwidth issue Message-ID: <199901211405.JAA21676@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > I hate to rain on anyone's parade or be a whiner, but I'm getting around > 90-100 messages a day from the list, and a significant portion are > off-topic banter or on topic pun/joke threads. While I'm not suggesting > completely dispensing with levity, perhaps we might once more reduce it > to a managable level...? > > killjoy mode off, > Riordan Riordan, While I agree with you in theory about the signal to noise ratio on the list it's very hard to control this. We're all protty chatty folk. The list does have a digest option which could relieve the flow of mail to your mailbox and give you all the messages in one file. For more info see the FAQ or send a message with 'help' in the mail body to: wwi-request@pease1.sr.unh.edu. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:41:09 -0800 From: Charles Stephanian To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Bandwidth issue Message-ID: <954FDA1EE71CD2118BAB00104B939AA8045CCA@serverx.sfai.edu> I, also, hate to complain...especially after the help numerous members have given me and the high level of knowledge and enthusiasm on this list...but, I would second Riordan's message...the number of posts, especially the off-topic and 'funny' comments has reached quite a high proportion...I know about the digest and just deleting the subjects, but it still takes a toll...the amount of time to wade through everything, etc... I would hate to see this list lose it's wonderful feeling of comrades-in-arms, but perhaps a slight reduction in the amount of posts wouldn't jeopardize the usefulness and fun of the group.... -----Original Message----- From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net [mailto:mgoodwin@ricochet.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 11:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Bandwidth issue I hate to rain on anyone's parade or be a whiner, but I'm getting around 90-100 messages a day from the list, and a significant portion are off-topic banter or on topic pun/joke threads. While I'm not suggesting completely dispensing with levity, perhaps we might once more reduce it to a managable level...? killjoy mode off, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:09:37 -0500 (EST) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Bandwidth issue Message-ID: I have only been on the list for 3 months and I like the jokes, jibes etc. As long as it's not overburdening the server, the "Back-and-Forth" is what makes this list go. I like the status quo. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Charles Stephanian wrote: > I, also, hate to complain...especially after the help numerous members > have given me and the high level of knowledge and enthusiasm on this > list...but, I would second Riordan's message...the number of posts, > especially the off-topic and 'funny' comments has reached quite a high > proportion...I know about the digest and just deleting the subjects, but > it still takes a toll...the amount of time to wade through everything, > etc... > > I would hate to see this list lose it's wonderful feeling of > comrades-in-arms, but perhaps a slight reduction in the amount of posts > wouldn't jeopardize the usefulness and fun of the group.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net [mailto:mgoodwin@ricochet.net] > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 11:02 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Bandwidth issue > > > I hate to rain on anyone's parade or be a whiner, but I'm getting around > 90-100 messages a day from the list, and a significant portion are > off-topic banter or on topic pun/joke threads. While I'm not suggesting > completely dispensing with levity, perhaps we might once more reduce it > to a managable level...? > > killjoy mode off, > > Riordan > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:23:48 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Paper Airplanes Message-ID: I have a 1/48th early Taube in paper, German import, looks promising but haven't tried it yet. (Not cheap) Matt Z. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:41:58 -0600 From: "John C Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Bandwidth issue Message-ID: <000201be4565$582621a0$f011820a@johng-home> I disagree. Phone lines in my part of Houston will not connect at better than 28.8 and list traffic has not been a burden. I won't even complain when I'm in parts of the country where you're lucky to get 14.4. I thoroughly enjoy the banter on the list and find it enlightening and many times amusing. Many an evening it beats the heck out of the swill being served up on TV. Bandwidth issues aside, MM (Microsoft Monopolist) mode on, most advanced e-mail packages such as Outlook, have filters that can be applied to incoming mail. That way messages that fit a certain criteria, file size for example, can be sent off to a discreet folder for later viewing or deleted outright. MM mode off. - John PS: I was particularly amused on the night that Al played Roto-Rooter on the list server and I received over 150 messages between work and the list. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Stephanian Sent: Thursday, January 21, 1999 10:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Bandwidth issue I, also, hate to complain...especially after the help numerous members have given me and the high level of knowledge and enthusiasm on this list...but, I would second Riordan's message...the number of posts, especially the off-topic and 'funny' comments has reached quite a high proportion...I know about the digest and just deleting the subjects, but it still takes a toll...the amount of time to wade through everything, etc... I would hate to see this list lose it's wonderful feeling of comrades-in-arms, but perhaps a slight reduction in the amount of posts wouldn't jeopardize the usefulness and fun of the group.... -----Original Message----- From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net [mailto:mgoodwin@ricochet.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 11:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Bandwidth issue I hate to rain on anyone's parade or be a whiner, but I'm getting around 90-100 messages a day from the list, and a significant portion are off-topic banter or on topic pun/joke threads. While I'm not suggesting completely dispensing with levity, perhaps we might once more reduce it to a managable level...? killjoy mode off, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:29:16 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Bandwith issues Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990121132916.0068c1b8@pop.mindspring.com> Three constructive things that we can all do to lessen the overload: 1. Change the subject when we change a thread's course. 2. Edit the message we are responding to by deleting parts not directly related to our response. 3. Keep the banter more or less on topic. My 3 cents worth sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:42:58 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Bandwidth issue Message-ID: <199901211842.NAA22613@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > I have only been on the list for 3 months and I like the jokes, jibes > etc. As long as it's not overburdening the server, the "Back-and-Forth" > is what makes this list go. I like the status quo. Well said - I agree. We should keep in mind that some people pay for their services based on the quantity of e-mail they receive and we should try to be considerate of them. That said, I think the current level on the average, is more or less just about right. -Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:16:05 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: Bandwidth issue Message-ID: <000201be457a$dfd29880$025f5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> I agree with this point. Off-topics stuff can be done directly on the E-mail addresses, without loading the forum. Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > mgoodwin@ricochet.net > Sent: donderdag 21 januari 1999 8:02 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Bandwidth issue > > > I hate to rain on anyone's parade or be a whiner, but I'm getting around > 90-100 messages a day from the list, and a significant portion are > off-topic banter or on topic pun/joke threads. While I'm not suggesting > completely dispensing with levity, perhaps we might once more reduce it > to a managable level...? > > killjoy mode off, > > Riordan > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:16:09 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: Cat theme Message-ID: <000301be457a$e1d96500$025f5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> Send me your private E-mail address and I will send back a scan of it. And to anyone other who should be interest. Contact me on richard_caudron@ibm.net Regards, Richard Caudron > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Sandy Adam > Sent: donderdag 21 januari 1999 11:09 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Cat theme > > > > That would be 87a Squadriglia - SVA.5s. Still, not a "real" lion > > but rather the Lion of St. Mark - a kinda sphinx-like creature > > with the body of a lion but the head of a man and the wings of > > an eagle. > > Head of a MAN? > Where did you get this from? > The St Mark's lion has a LION's head. > Sandy > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:13:04 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Baumer Albatros Message-ID: Mike, > do these require different chemicals? > I belive that ortho film might still be available through the some > photo specialty stores in larger cities but expect to pay an arm and a > leg for it. If not, then the chemical formulas should at > least have been published somewhere... The stuff I have uses regular film developers - I imagine that if I could find the data sheets in the pile of cartons infesting our new garage I could even tell you which ones are recommended. Incidentally, having spent some time on the train yesterday thinking about it, most high contrast films (used amongst other things when making printed circuit boards or nearer to topic, etched brass parts) are also orthochromatic, and widely available though useless for reproducing the effect of WW1 ortho film. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:29:38 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Dolphin> WAS: WWI model Message-ID: Riordan, > > Of course, this applies to 2 seaters too - Biff anyone? - > > so I have to > > either start on the terminally obscure or pick my targets, > > then hit and run > > There are plenty of fascinating obscure subjects. For example, I can > gaurantee that even if you take 5 years to build a Rumpler G type, no > cottage or mainstream types will make a modelling fool of you. There > aren't any known drawings, and the reference materials are > very scarce, including my Chandelle article! > A *little* too obscure for me. Here's a current list of maybe subjects Caproni Ca.33 LVG C.VI DH-10 Friedrichshafen G.III Gotha G.II or G.III A common theme is *big* because if these do appear as 1/48 kits I doubt they'll be within my sensible financial means, and a scratchbuild is really the only option. The LVG is a risk, but I bet I could build one of them in 6 months and no-one has announced one yet so at least I'd beat the manufacturers ! Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:37:36 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: MvR theories:WAS VCR alert Message-ID: Sandy, > > Gawd. Today seems to be my day as list cynic, but when > > *theories* like this > > appear it makes sense to either debunk them if they're > > really, really silly, > > or show that there is a *logical* explanation as well as > > one for that well known documentary series "The X files" > > Shane > > So we should keep an open mind that "Pat" might have been > called "Willie" or "Fred" or indeed anything but "Pat", > but we should close our minds > entirely to the possibility that RicePudding might have been > hit by a stray German bullet? Now you're being deliberately obtuse. Indeed not, and this is not what I said. What I *did* say is that where there is a choice between several theories the simplest one is usually the truth, and the astonishing one is *just* a theory. Not always, maybe not in this case, but I'm always suspicious of "amazing new eveidence" on principle. > I don't really care either way, but let's just leave it as an open > possibility. Frankly, I don't care if he was rogered to death by a tuna, so long as I'm not subjected to as many theories about who shot him the first time as I am about who shot him the second time. In both cases there is nothing remotely like *proof* after 80 years. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:53:38 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: MvR theories:WAS VCR alert Message-ID: <199901212153.VAA05210@beryl.sol.co.uk> > > I don't really care either way, but let's just leave it as an open > > possibility. > Frankly, I don't care if he was rogered to death by a tuna.... Oh have you heard that one too? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:48:45 -0500 From: "sharon Henderson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: MvR's big headache.... Message-ID: <9901202148.AA45958@ft.sumter> > MvR suffered a severe glancing blow to the head - he slipped in and out > of conciousness and there are reports that the actual skull was visible > in the gash. Actually, it was even worse than that. Every few days, as more pieces of bone fragmented in the injury worked their way to the surface, the doctors would undo the bandages, pick out the frags, shoot him full of morphine, and bandage him back up again. Even after he was released from Feldlazarett 76 in Courtrai, he had to periodically go back for more fragment removals. His mother recorded in her diary that when she finally saw him, which was a substantial amount of time after the initial wounding, the hole in his skull had not mended. This was while he was home briefly in mid-late September, between hunting trips and enforced rest leave, so we're talking the better part of two and a half months with no closure to the wound. That's got to be a bad deal. > I am struck by how many sources mention a distinct change in > MvR's personality immediately after this injury. He became > more depressed, negative and withdrawn, but this was generally > dismissed as depression over the way the war was progressing, or > the accident suddenly making him aware of his own mortality. I dont > deny these are possibilities, but I think it is at least equally > likely that this personality change may actually have a more organic > cause related to the after-effects of his head injury. I think you're entirely right. There's a slow, low groundswell of concurrence with this theory; little by little the too-easy conceptualization of MvR as a "cold Prussian SOB and killer who never hung out with his men, never joked, etc. etc." is giving way. Of course he never hung out and joked (much) with his men after the wounding. By the time he was back to the Front and at least mostly functional as a combat flyer, his three closest friends had been killed -- Kurt Wolff, Erwin Bo"hme, and Werner Voss, all three within a couple of months. The people who understood him best, besides Lothar, were gone -- no one to share the old jokes. And Lothar had his own problems when he came back. Factor in MvR waking up with a sick headache, flying an open-cockpit plane in combat (cold, benzine fumes, noise, stress, adrenaline rush....) -- by the time he landed, according to most accounts, he could just barely hold it together long enough to fill out combat reports, sign a few HQ papers, and then go back upstairs. Heave his guts up, stop shaking, take several aspirin, and then fall into bed until the next patrol.... not much of a life. Not much of a reason to joke! But the cold Prussian stuff is Quatsch. I have at least seven photos that I can think of off-hand, where he is grinning like a Cheshire cat. And there's that footage in the otherwise awful A&E bio of him sitting there, trying not to lose it entirely, while Wolff from just off-camera drops armloads of dachshund puppies in the Rittmeister's lap.... :-) People don't love a cold b*stard hero. They love one they can approach. That's what bound his men to him. Well -- in my humble opinion, of course.... ;-) > I dont know > a great deal about the state of medicine in 1918, but they certainly > knew even less than we do about the workings of the brain. I dont > expect anyone would have even considered this possiblity. Not back then, to any great extent. Too much need to keep him propagandized as unstoppable. > Anyway.... this has been nagging at me for a long time. Perhaps > some of the list members who know far more about MvR than I do might > wish to comment. Well, I know all the foregoing has nothing to do with modelling, but it is about a frequent subject of models.... :-) I'll send a copy of this to the other aviation list and see if we can stir those waters, too. :-) Cheers, Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:51:12 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: WW1 modeling list Subject: Calling Mr. Alexandre Trifoni Message-ID: <36A7A14F.B591DA7F@mail.telepac.pt> Alexandre, Need your e-mail. Tenho uma duvida para te por. Sorry gang, Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:30:15 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Dolphin> WAS: WWI model Message-ID: <36A7AA77.F86E3715@mars.ark.com> as there is already a 1/48th DH10 I doubt anyone else will come out with one anytime soon... -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:38:22 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Dolphin> WAS: WWI model Message-ID: Mike, > as there is already a 1/48th DH10 I doubt anyone else will > come out with one anytime soon... > Aurora? Not in production of course. TC? Do they have one? If so, not within my budget either. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:49:30 -0500 From: "sharon Henderson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: VCR alert Message-ID: <9901192249.AA30180@ft.sumter> > Good interview with Peter Bird's son. Who's the 17 year old kid who > looks like MvR? Spooky. I take he's a descendent of some sort. I can't remember for sure whose descendant the boy is -- either sister Ilse's grandson, or Lothar's, or little brother Karl Bolko vR's descendant; as far as we know, MvR left no progeny. Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:43:50 -0500 From: "sharon Henderson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: VCR alert Message-ID: <9901192243.AA50730@ft.sumter> This is the BBC documentary first aired on the 80th anniv. of Richthofen's death last year -- more accurate than the A&E one, which insists on saying MvR commanded Jasta 2 because someone couldn't tell the difference between Arabic numerals and Roman. (feh....) ;-) Alas, neither of these are being shown on the American incarnation of the history channel.... Waah! Bob, are formats compatible between Canada and here? :-) And yes, the grand-nephew does look spookily like Great-Uncle Manfred.... :-) Sharon > On the History Channel in Canada right now is a show on MvR, it > will repeat at 9pm PST ... This isn't the A&E one either .... . has > had interviews with the his family as well as inflight shots of a Dr.I > in Jacobs markings. > > Also on the same Channel was a show on the top scoring Sub ace Le > Perrier (sp) this will repeat at 12:30 PST > > Gotta go watch TV > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:47:57 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: MvR theories:WAS VCR alert Message-ID: <9fedc172.36a7ae9d@aol.com> << > > I don't really care either way, but let's just leave it as an open > > possibility. > Frankly, I don't care if he was rogered to death by a tuna.... Oh have you heard that one too? Sandy >> Every instinct in my body screams at me that I really shouldn't ask what "rogered'" means, but..... DZ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:02:20 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: MvR theories:WAS VCR alert Message-ID: Dave, >>>> I don't really care either way, but let's just leave >>>>it as an open possibility. >>> Frankly, I don't care if he was rogered to death by a tuna.... >>Oh have you heard that one too? > Every instinct in my body screams at me that I really > shouldn't ask what "rogered'" means, but..... Ahem, It means <> You have impeccable instincts. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:29:37 -0700 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Dolphin> WAS: WWI model Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990121162937.006fab68@mail> At 04:29 PM 21/01/99 -0500, you wrote: >Riordan, > >> > Of course, this applies to 2 seaters too - Biff anyone? - >> > so I have to >> > either start on the terminally obscure or pick my targets, >> > then hit and run >> >> There are plenty of fascinating obscure subjects. For example, I can >> gaurantee that even if you take 5 years to build a Rumpler G type, no >> cottage or mainstream types will make a modelling fool of you. There >> aren't any known drawings, and the reference materials are >> very scarce, including my Chandelle article! >> > >A *little* too obscure for me. Here's a current list of maybe subjects > >Caproni Ca.33 >LVG C.VI >DH-10 >Friedrichshafen G.III >Gotha G.II or G.III > >A common theme is *big* because if these do appear as 1/48 kits I doubt >they'll be within my sensible financial means, and a scratchbuild is really >the only option. The LVG is a risk, but I bet I could build one of them in 6 >months and no-one has announced one yet so at least I'd beat the >manufacturers ! > >Shane > > These all sound very good Shane, and you could be assured that Eduard won't be scooping you when you are half way through. I suppose once the scratcbuilding bug hits you, that's it, eh? Dane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:43:38 -0500 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Hanriot Photo Message-ID: <36A7BBAA.271245F3@ptdprolog.net> Well, I took a huge breath and looked up the Hanriot on the Eduard web site. They have the box art done., so maybe it really will be out soon! Check out the photo :www.eduard.cz Mike Muth nb: Albatros D-III Blaue Maus nu: Still not sure, something in 1/72 to build at the same time as the D-III. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:50:44 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Dolphin> WAS: WWI model Message-ID: Dane, > > >A *little* too obscure for me. Here's a current list of > maybe subjects > > > >Caproni Ca.33 > >LVG C.VI > >DH-10 > >Friedrichshafen G.III > >Gotha G.II or G.III > > > > These all sound very good Shane, and you could be assured > that Eduard won't > be scooping you when you are half way through. I suppose once the > scratcbuilding bug hits you, that's it, eh? > Absolutely. I still love to build a kit OoB, to detail one, to convert one, but nothing gives me as much of a hit as starting with a sheet of card, some wood, wire and putty and finishing with a recognisable plane. Ask RK, and I bet you get the same answer. It *is* addictive, so if you start and have just one good trip, you're hooked Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:59:06 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Dolphin> WAS: WWI model Message-ID: <3674dbdf.36a7bf4a@aol.com> In a message dated 1/21/99 3:51:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << > >Caproni Ca.33 > >LVG C.VI > >DH-10 > >Friedrichshafen G.III > >Gotha G.II or G.III > > > > These all sound very good Shane, and you could be assured > that Eduard won't > be scooping you when you are half way through. I suppose once the > scratcbuilding bug hits you, that's it, eh? > Absolutely. I still love to build a kit OoB, to detail one, to convert one, but nothing gives me as much of a hit as starting with a sheet of card, some wood, wire and putty and finishing with a recognisable plane. Ask RK, and I bet you get the same answer. It *is* addictive, so if you start and have just one good trip, you're hooked Shane>> For all the frustration and gut-gurgling horror that sometimes accompanies scratchbuilding, it can be pretty satisfying. BTW, I rooting for the Caproni. Italian aviation is an area I'm particularly weak in, but I know a beautiful airplane when I see one! RK ( vacantly spent the day pondering magneto from an Argus engine) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:21:42 -0200 From: "Alexandre de C. Triffoni" To: Subject: Re: Calling Mr. Alexandre Trifoni Message-ID: <199901220020.WAA25023@srv1-cas.cas.nutecnet.com.br> Hi Pedro ! You can reach me at atcampos@nutecnet.com.br. Best regards, Alexandre - atcampos@nutecnet.com.br ---------- > Alexandre, > > Need your e-mail. Tenho uma duvida para te por. > > Sorry gang, > > Um abraco > > Pedro > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:00:14 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Caproni> WAS: WWI model Message-ID: > Ask RK, and I bet you get the same answer. It *is* > addictive, so if you > start and have just one good trip, you're hooked > > BTW, I rooting for the Caproni. Italian aviation is an area > I'm particularly weak in, but I know a beautiful airplane when I see one! I've started the Caproni, but I'm scared to go too far. The photos I have in hand show too many detail variations which I don't entirely understand. Maybe the upcoming datafile will make it clearer since what I know about WW1 Italian aviation wouldn't fill a page. Meanwhile, I'll start building details like engines, guns, (maybe) wings, and other stuff that looks identical from picture to picture - and maybe build something easier on the side Shane ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1407 **********************