WWI Digest 1405 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Cat theme by REwing@aol.com 2) Cat Theme by Allan Wright 3) JaPo Oeffag book by Bob Pearson 4) Re: Cat theme by mkendix 5) Re: Baumer Albatros by KarrArt@aol.com 6) Re: Cat theme by KarrArt@aol.com 7) Re: Cat theme by "Steven M. Perry" 8) RE: VCR alert by Shane Weier 9) RE: Cat theme by Shane Weier 10) MvR's big headache.... by Zulis@aol.com 11) Re: VCR alert by "Sandy Adam" 12) Paper Airplanes by "John C Glaser" 13) RE: Baumer Albatros by Shane Weier 14) RE: VCR alert by Shane Weier 15) Re: Baumer Albatros by "David R.L. Laws" 16) Re: An Author in our midst! by Yves Buffetaut 17) Re: Paper Airplanes by REwing@aol.com 18) RE: Baumer Albatros by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 19) Re: Baumer Albatros by "David R.L. Laws" 20) Re: Paper Airplanes by "David R.L. Laws" 21) a news item by KarrArt@aol.com 22) Re: Baumer Albatros by KarrArt@aol.com 23) Re: Cat theme by Ernest Thomas 24) Re: Paper Airplanes by "Peter Crow" 25) Re: Quizlet by Matthew E Bittner 26) Re: Baumer Albatros by "David R.L. Laws" 27) Re: Baumer Albatros by Matthew E Bittner 28) Re: Cat theme by Matthew E Bittner 29) Re: An Author in our midst! by Matthew E Bittner 30) Re: Paper Airplanes by "Peter Crow" 31) Decal Trade Wanted by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:51:48 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cat theme Message-ID: <514e845c.36a633d4@aol.com> mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu writes: << Can anyone suggest a WWI (preferably aeroplane) modelling item that is related to a cat/feline/lion/tiger? >> Do mean markings using the cat family? There were some planes that had a "Rampant Lion" markings. Schleich's Albatros D.V and Fokker D.VII had this as well as an Albatros D.III (I believe) had a black cat on a white band around the fuselage. I can't remember who this belonged to. The Italians had some lions on there aircraft also. Not much help, I'm afraid. -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:07:15 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: Cat Theme Message-ID: <199901202007.PAA17735@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 02:08 PM 1/20/99 -0500, you wrote: >I need some help here. Can anyone suggest a WWI (preferably aeroplane) >modelling item that is related to a cat/feline/lion/tiger? Extra helpful >would be if it were readily available in injection mold 1/72nd scale. I have a 120mm figure that includes Whiskey & Soda along with Raoul Luffberry. It's an AWESOME model. There's a review (and picture) of it on the web page at: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/reviews/120figures/index.html Made by Model Cellar. -Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:56:40 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: JaPo Oeffag book Message-ID: <199901201956.LAA01834@spare.rapidnet.net> Greetings all, Well I finally got my copy of the above book (from Slovakia no less .. gotta love email). It is everything that everyone has said about it. I felt I had to comment on an earlier remark that the photos have appeared in various other publications. It is true that many have been in the following publications/articles on the Austrian Albatros C&C(GB) 19/1 Datafile No.19 Die Albatros D.III(OEF) by Scheimer FMP book However I have also come across some that are unfamiliar to me (or at least I don't recall them from the above sources). Some of these include new views of Navratil's 253.116. All-in-all a welcome addition to my Albatros library Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:15:01 -0500 (EST) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cat theme Message-ID: Steve: Sound interesting. I recall mascot lion cubs being used. Can you tell me more about them or give me a convenient reference? Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Steven M. Perry wrote: > At 02:08 PM 1/20/99 -0500, you wrote: > >I need some help here. Can anyone suggest a WWI (preferably aeroplane) > >modelling item that is related to a cat/feline/lion/tiger? Extra helpful > >would be if it were readily available in injection mold 1/72nd scale. > > > >Michael > > > Michael: > > A diorama with a TOKO Nie.11 and a couple of 3/4" or so long Lion figures > as Wiskey & Soda. I've seen charm for charm bracelets about that size and > some gift shops sell tiny animal figurines. > > You said WWI airplane, feline and 1:72.sp > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:32:29 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Baumer Albatros Message-ID: In a message dated 1/20/99 12:06:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, 2814823733@home.com writes: << Regarding Baumer's Albatros, well, I would say that a good case could be made for either black or red, given that good reasons can be adduced for both. What it means is that if you entered an Eduard D.V in a contest in Baumer's markings, no judge would have any business disqualifying you for painting it either black or red. I am not claiming that anything goes in in W.W. I colour research, but rather that there is not enough firm evidence for dogmatic pronouncements, as you might get with modern colours, with some dork waving around an FS 595 colour fan, saying that the 30219 tan on your Phantom is not right (even though 30129 faded to some really awful shades under the South East Asian sun, rendering an FS fan of only dubious utility), and you lose the contest. I mean, there's almost no way of telling whether or not an individual RFC kite is PC 10 or PC 12, is there? Dane>> Yeah, if I were a contest judge (ha! fat chance) I wouldn't flip out over a black OR Baumer fuselage. I guess sometimes I'm kinda dogmatically non- dogmatic. Unless something is so absurdly out of bounds like a presentation of, oh.... let's say MvR's all-limegreen Fokker D VIII, I'm not gonna jump on anybody's case. I'll defend my ideas, but I'm not gonna deputize myself into the dreaded Color Police. If someone asked me about doing Baumer's Albatros for a contest, I'd probably state my case and then advise them to go with red, because at the moment, that's how it has always been presented- a case of being safe rather than sorry. FS numbers are useful as general guide, and we all have our personal tolerances about what's acceptable, and even these may change. My personal specs on this are that I tend to be more careful about factory colors- no shocking pinks in my lozenge or bright green PC10. Personal markings have a bit more leeway in my mind. If something is declared to be yellow, I'll use a color called "yellow", maybe modify it till it looks good to my eye, but not worry about exact Munsell or Metheun values- values that may change according to the time of day anyway! Robert K. ( who lately and subliminally came across a reference about the percentage change of red-oxide in PC10 as the war progressed. Back to the stacks!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:32:23 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cat theme Message-ID: <72b85eef.36a63d57@aol.com> In a message dated 1/20/99 11:12:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu writes: << I need some help here. Can anyone suggest a WWI (preferably aeroplane) modelling item that is related to a cat/feline/lion/tiger? Extra helpful would be if it were readily available in injection mold 1/72nd scale. Michael >> Calling Mr. Nieuport- hey Matt- get him fixed up with William Wellman's Nieuport(17?)! RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:20:33 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cat theme Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990120162033.006918c0@pop.mindspring.com> At 03:22 PM 1/20/99 -0500, you wrote: > >Steve: > >Sound interesting. I recall mascot lion cubs being used. Can you tell >me more about them or give me a convenient reference? > >Michael > >mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu > Michael: Any of the several books on the Layfayette Esq. will recount stories about Wiskey & Soda. Wiskey, the male, was the more gregarious and Lufbery trained him to leap up and place his paws on a visitor's shoulders at a command. Evidently much fun was had with this. While the French tolerated them, I believe they had grown too big and were gone by the time the squadron came under American command. I don't recall their fate. I'll look for specific refs later at home sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:33:47 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: VCR alert Message-ID: Bob, > Yup, same show. Right after it aired I ran to the books to > identify 'Pat' > (the man mentioned as being married to the interviewees > grandmother). .... > turns out he wasn't MvR's victim at all ........ the only Pat > from No.60 Sqn > shot down ten days after the 20th March 1917 was 2/Lt WP > Garnett of No.60 > Sqn, except he was downed by Ltn Kurt Wolff for Wolff's 4th > victory. There > was another 'Pat downed by MvR, but this fellow was in a > two-seater BE2 from > No.13 Sqn and falls outside of the ten days mentioned in the > program ... Lt > Patrick JG Powell was KIA on 2 April 1917 along with his > observor 1AM Percy Bonner. > While I applaud this piece of research it doesn't necessarily follow that "Pat" was really named "Pat" at all. Instances abound of people being called by names other than those they're legally bound to for reasons known only to themselves and those close to them. For example, I know a "Rob" whose name is Reginald Owen Thomas. No "Rob" there, unless one knows that his mothers maiden name was Berry, and his full name as disclosed on his birth certificate is R.O.B.Thomas. Other instances in my experience - sons of fathers of the same name. Unlike Americans, Australians and Poms rarely if ever call the son "Junior". Sometimes the choice of name given to "Jnr" is obvious to no-one. An interesting analysis, but not necessarily conclusive Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:39:41 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Cat theme Message-ID: Dane > Too bad you're restricting it to W.W. I only. Bite your tongue you traitor !!!! ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:33:12 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: MvR's big headache.... Message-ID: <22f95b86.36a64b98@aol.com> >> ps - I have a theory about the effects that MvR's head injury had upon him, > and this video made me even more certain that I am on to something here, but > will have to save that for another time. This post is way tooooo long > already.... The late AE Ferko has an interesting theory about MvR's head injury . . .remember that he was shot in the back of the head while approaching an FE head-on .. ... . Ferko believed MvR was actually shot down by one of his own men. >> OK - another day - another post. Here goes.... In my experience as a rehab caseworker, I have met and worked with many people who have suffered head injuries of varying degrees. The brain is a tricky place - just when we believed we had mapped how the brain works and what functions are allocated where, we discover that many individuals are wired differently or, because of some trauma, have "re-routed" their brain and assigned functions to totally unconventional areas of the brain. Truly fascinating stuff. One very common after-effect of a severe blow to the head is a change in personality. This can occur in varying degrees, can be the result of blows to almost any side of the head (because of the shock-transferring characteristics of the head and contents) and can persist long after external signs of injury have healed. Sufferers will often be more prone to depression, others will be inappropriately aggressive, and there can be other changes as well. These symptoms are not constant - they will often behave "normally" one moment, and differently the next. MvR suffered a severe glancing blow to the head - he slipped in and out of conciousness and there are reports that the actual skull was visible in the gash. I am struck by how many sources mention a distinct change in MvR's personality immediately after this injury. He became more depressed, negative and withdrawn, but this was generally dismissed as depression over the way the war was progressing, or the accident suddenly making him aware of his own mortality. I dont deny these are possibilities, but I think it is at least equally likely that this personality change may actually have a more organic cause related to the after-effects of his head injury. I dont know a great deal about the state of medicine in 1918, but they certainly knew even less than we do about the workings of the brain. I dont expect anyone would have even considered this possiblity. Anyway.... this has been nagging at me for a long time. Perhaps some of the list members who know far more about MvR than I do might wish to comment. Regards, Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:49:22 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: VCR alert Message-ID: <199901202148.VAA21087@beryl.sol.co.uk> > An interesting analysis, but not necessarily conclusive Point is, Shane, that the rest of the programme was so full of unsubstantiated dross, that it would be pretty naive to give the benefit of the doubt which you might otherwise give to a properly researched programme. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:45:51 -0600 From: "John C Glaser" To: "WW1 Mail List" Subject: Paper Airplanes Message-ID: <000501be44be$3f9bc240$f011820a@johng-home> I just now got around to scanning the latest FSM & noticed the review of a 1/24 PT-17 Stearman. Text says it's a paper model. How does this work? Anyone built in this media? Picture looks pretty good. - John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:51:24 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Baumer Albatros Message-ID: RK, > > I may still be wrong, but whatever the color was, it wasn't Jasta > 5 stripe red, although it's been suggested that maybe another shade was > used- this may turn out to be the correct answer. What do you base this on - the difference in tones in a B&W photo? Unfortunately colour is not the only thing which can cause this, and making judgements of possible colours is fraught with difficulties other than the transposition of colours to grey scale. Finish. Lets assume that the fuselage is Matt and the stripe gloss. Different tones in B&W Method of application - spray v brush. Was one sprayed, the other brushed Number of coats - more solid finish after second coat (and this seems *very* possible) Quality of paint - was the Jasta 5 paint nice thick and creaaaammy, and Baumers paint some crap from the local shop Not taking a position in either camp - just pointing out that the different tones mean bugger all without context - it is possible to show photos where fuselages appear to have *white* crosses because the sun reflects more strongly off the glossy surface of the issue black paint than the matt surface of the non issue painted fuselage, but hardly anyone believes the crosses weren't black ! Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:11:21 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: VCR alert Message-ID: Sandy, > > An interesting analysis, but not necessarily conclusive > > Point is, Shane, that the rest of the programme was so full of > unsubstantiated dross, that it would be pretty naive to give > the benefit of the doubt which you might otherwise give to a properly researched > programme. I don't disagree, but if we expect better of *them* why should we expect less of *us*? Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:08:40 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Baumer Albatros Message-ID: <36A6EE97.5BE0@webtime.com.au> Well said Phillip david ( who's not confused on this issue or the provisions of the International Conventions governing what's fair and reasonable in the context of copyright ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:26:35 +0200 From: Yves Buffetaut To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Author in our midst! Message-ID: <36A65819.6E3D@club-internet.fr> Yes, I've written this book about the 1917 Spring Offensives. Page 113, you'll find two photographs of French fighters : 3 Nieuport 17 and a Spad VII squadron. The Nieuport are taken on La Noblette airfield, in the Marne departement. Page 187, there is a photograph of Guynemer's Spad VII. British aircrafts seen on the book are page 32 : A Be 2e, a Fe2b and a Sopwith Pup ; and page 99 : a captured Fe2 and a crashed Sopwith Pup. As far as the Germans are concerned, there is a general view of Jasta 5 at Boistrancourt, page 33 ; an Albatros DIII (serial D1193) page 99, an Albatros CVII page 185 (lovely photograph) and an AEG CIV, page 186. For those interested in tanks, the collection of Schneider tanks photographs is very interesting. There is also a lot of Mark IV tanks. More than 300 photographs, mostly unknown or never published. Yves ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:33:23 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Paper Airplanes Message-ID: JohnGlaser@worldnet.att.net writes: << I just now got around to scanning the latest FSM & noticed the review of a 1/24 PT-17 Stearman. Text says it's a paper model. How does this work? Anyone built in this media? >> I have built 5 or 6 bird models out of paper and have hung them from my classroom ceiling. One is a life size model of an Osprey with a wingspan of almost 3 feet! Quite impressive. Basically you cut out the pieces, score the fold lines, fold, and paste. I also have some planes, including one camel and one DR.I, but I haven't constructed these yet. There is quite a large variety of subjects done in paper i.e. ships, castles, planes, dinosaurs, buildings of all sorts, etc. They make for a nice change of pace. A lot of these *kits* seem to come from Germany, but the birds came out of England. HTH, -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:26:15 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Baumer Albatros Message-ID: <01BE4499.FC5D2380.panz-meador@vsti.com> david: have you and/or any other legal adlers on the list thought of putting together a brief outline discussing copyright? might be useful for inclusion in the FAQ? phillip -----Original Message----- From: David R.L. Laws [SMTP:laws@webtime.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 4:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Baumer Albatros david ( who's not confused on this issue or the provisions of the International Conventions governing what's fair and reasonable in the context of copyright ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:09:07 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Baumer Albatros Message-ID: <36A6FC9D.21DC@webtime.com.au> Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador wrote: > yeah, i think we have to go with red as the color, based upon v.Hippel's recollection (banfield's remembrances were similarly used by dr. o'conner in his A-H aces book). not sure as to the legal term, but i'd consider him > to be a "factual witness" or a "primary source". same goes for a thread a few months ago concerning dr.1 cowlling colors; the choice, IIRC, was between the recollections of one of the jasta's mechanics and photo interpretation. again, i'd have to go with the former, unless proven incorrect FOR THOSE SPECIFIC MACHINES by other means. perhaps legal eagles on the list can explain the various degrees of evidence better than i... Well in broad terms it works like this : 1. Direct evidence of an eyewitness is the Best Evidence ( the Best Evidence Rule ) and is to be preferred over secondary evidence assumming that secondary evidence to be **admissible** 2. Secondary evidence is generally inadmissible where direct evidence is available UNLESS the secondary evidence is admissible and is relevant to the extent that it throws doubt upon the reliablity of the direct evidence EXAMPLE : X ( who is the witness box ) says he wrote document Y - This was denied by Z who said so to A : Z is now dead and it is sought to prove the statement of Z to A to impugned the evidence of X This little conundrum will be solved by further evidence of K who is a foresic document examiner ( otherwise called a handwriting expert ) who will compare the writing of X with samples of Z's writing and the writing on the document - Assumming K says the writing is more likely ( probably ) that of Z than X, then the evidence of A may be admitted and led to lend support to the case for the writing being that of Z Applied to the present problem the prima facie position is that the recollection of the direct witness would be preferable to what would be characterised as " merely interpretative " evidence UNLESS the direct witness can be shown to have a flawed recollection ( and that is of course usually shown in cross-examination - broad generalisations to the effect that the witness is " just an old fart who by reason of that fact alone and the effluxion of time ought to be doubted " are not to be thought of as really very helpful - especially when further medical evidence can be led to prove that in the elderly and while short-term memory often fades with distressing speed, long-term memory can be and very often is enhanced to quite a remarkable degree ! ) OR where there is some other ***compelling *** reason to accept interpretative evidence - for example evidence of a proven scientific methodology being employ to derive the interpretative opinion - spectrographic ( or the use of some similar ) analysis of the *** original *** picture by a suitably qualified expert would suffice for these purposes and that evidence would be regarded as highly persuasive against the direct evidence, especially where questioned colour registrations could be established by comparision with known colours in evidence on the film. i've often wondered if other list members realized that the author's name "alan smithee" is used when the real author doesn't wish to reveal their name. this is certainly the case with directors/dogs of movies (REF: the movie "Burn, Hollywood, Burn" starring monty python's eric idle as alan smithee, the web, etc.) ...Or be utterly shameless and proclaim yourself by establish a totally crappy cult genr� as did ( who DID those appalling horror films in the late 50's early 60's ... Al ? - cann't bring the name to mind ) david ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:19:40 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Paper Airplanes Message-ID: <36A6FF3B.507C@webtime.com.au> REwing@aol.com wrote: > > JohnGlaser@worldnet.att.net writes: > > << I just now got around to scanning the latest FSM & noticed the review of a > 1/24 PT-17 Stearman. Text says it's a paper model. How does this work? > Anyone built in this media? > >> > > I have built 5 or 6 bird models out of paper and have hung them from my > classroom ceiling. One is a life size model of an Osprey with a wingspan of > almost 3 feet! Quite impressive. Basically you cut out the pieces, score the > fold lines, fold, and paste. > I also have some planes, including one camel and one DR.I, but I haven't > constructed these yet. There is quite a large variety of subjects done in > paper i.e. ships, castles, planes, dinosaurs, buildings of all sorts, etc. > They make for a nice change of pace. A lot of these *kits* seem to come > from Germany, but the birds came out of England. > HTH, > -Rick- There's a card modelling site with an faq on the web and O'Hoolihan was right, Murphy ( as in Murhy's Law ) was was an optimist - I just dumped the URL two days ago ! Has some pretty useful info on folding and forming techniques applicable to scratching in plastic card - Tip via Harry Woodman BTW david ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:06:44 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: a news item Message-ID: Lately the French Government has awarding a lot of medals to surviving WW I vets and in today's newspaper there is a story about a Thai named Yod Sangrunggruang recieving the Legion of Honor. Seems he's the last survivor of 1284 Thai troops who served in Europe, and he was an airplane mechanic. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:06:43 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Baumer Albatros Message-ID: <13051eb1.36a66f93@aol.com> In a message dated 1/20/99 2:17:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Not taking a position in either camp - just pointing out that the different tones mean bugger all without context - it is possible to show photos where fuselages appear to have *white* crosses because the sun reflects more strongly off the glossy surface of the issue black paint than the matt surface of the non issue painted fuselage, but hardly anyone believes the crosses weren't black ! Shane >> I'm aware of all this, kinda in the profession you might say, but I wasn't up to writing 10 pages! Everything from actual color differences to different hands having done the painting can affect what appears in a bw photo. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:25:01 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cat theme Message-ID: <36A673DD.151F@bellsouth.net> mkendix wrote: > > I need some help here. Can anyone suggest a WWI (preferably aeroplane) > modelling item that is related to a cat/feline/lion/tiger? Extra helpful > would be if it were readily available in injection mold 1/72nd scale. Hey Mike, If you'd be willing to build something in 1/48, I think my Aeromaster Albatross set has the previously mentioned black cat on a white band decal. I'm pretty sure I have no plans for it. Yours for the asking. If it MUST be 1/72, then maybe Aeromaster did the same set in that scale. Try;http://www.AeroMaster.com/ Hth E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:36:53 PST From: "Peter Crow" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Paper Airplanes Message-ID: <19990121003653.14412.qmail@hotmail.com> John wrote... > >I just now got around to scanning the latest FSM & noticed the review of a >1/24 PT-17 Stearman. Text says it's a paper model. How does this work? >Anyone built in this media? > >Picture looks pretty good. I've built two WWI ships 1/250 out of paper/card.. I liked they way they came out.. None of the planes, but have heard good reports on the quality of the Stearman.. write me off list if you have any questions.. I have a catalog of a company that carries these..they're in Oregon.. P. crow > > > - John > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:30:10 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Quizlet Message-ID: <19990120.185405.-911931.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:46:50 -0500 (EST) Allan Wright writes: >Sometimes I think you should see a doctor about that chemical >imbalance >you have Matt! :-) Who, me? Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:23:33 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Baumer Albatros Message-ID: <36A70E35.7EC@webtime.com.au> Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador wrote: > > david: have you and/or any other legal adlers on the list thought of putting together a brief outline discussing copyright? might be useful for inclusion in the FAQ? > > phillip I did a short discursis a while ago but some myths seem to be persist - It a complex area to be sure but from what I've seen of the gentlemen on this list ( and they are ) I believe that everyone has a an idea of fair play and really that's all the Law is designed to promote. Further and to seize on your own recent observations I think we are all engaged in research of our chosen obsession(s) to one degree or another and that research is, by and large, performed responsibly and in an entirely bona fide fashion consistant with spirirt anbd intendment of the relevant Laws. Wholesale copying is wrong both morally and legally - Copying out-of-print material en bloc is an equally dubious practise but at a practical level, this fades in to grey a little doesn't it ? We have all been in the position of chasing a particular book or monograph, finding it's simply not available or a work which commands utterly absurd prices and have weakened - I frankly see no real wrong, even in this since if those in whom the copyright enures wished to profit from that right they could readily re-issue works rather than leave the second-hand dealers with the windfall - They can hardly be heard to say they have lost anything where they decline to make the protected product or work available again. I am perfectly well aware that the Law is to different effect but in respect of out-of-prints, I work on the preceding basis and am perfectly happy to purchase later if works are re-issued and nearly always do. In answer to you specific question I'd be happy to collaborate ( Mike are you there ! ) but I really doubt whether the fairness which the Law is designed to promote can be expressed more clearly than in the word " fair ", provided that word is understood in its objective/ community based standards sense rather than the purely personal subjective sense - I hasten to repeat that this List is populated by genbtlemen ( properly so-called ) to and for whom such concepts to not require elboration regards ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:20:16 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Baumer Albatros Message-ID: <19990120.192316.-911931.6.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:04:14 -0500 (EST) Shane Weier writes: >Finish. Lets assume that the fuselage is Matt and the stripe gloss. Ouch! :-) Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:19:47 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Cat theme Message-ID: <19990120.192316.-911931.5.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:38:23 -0500 (EST) KarrArt@aol.com writes: >Calling Mr. Nieuport- hey Matt- get him fixed up with William >Wellman's >Nieuport(17?)! Ok. I'm going to have to show my ignorance. Who is William Wellman, and what was so special about his Nieuport? Sorry. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:56:58 -0600 From: Matthew E Bittner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An Author in our midst! Message-ID: <19990120.192315.-911931.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:25:55 -0500 (EST) Yves Buffetaut writes: >Yes, I've written this book about the 1917 Spring Offensives. Page >113, >you'll find two photographs of French fighters : 3 Nieuport 17 and a >Spad VII squadron. The Nieuport are taken on La Noblette airfield, in >the Marne departement. Page 187, there is a photograph of Guynemer's >Spad VII. British aircrafts seen on the book are page 32 : A Be 2e, a >Fe2b and a Sopwith Pup ; and page 99 : a captured Fe2 and a crashed >Sopwith Pup. As far as the Germans are concerned, there is a general >view of Jasta 5 at Boistrancourt, page 33 ; an Albatros DIII (serial >D1193) page 99, an Albatros CVII page 185 (lovely photograph) and an >AEG >CIV, page 186. >For those interested in tanks, the collection of Schneider tanks >photographs is very interesting. There is also a lot of Mark IV >tanks. >More than 300 photographs, mostly unknown or never published. I must have missed the original post. How can I get my hands on this book? Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:26:07 PST From: "Peter Crow" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Paper Airplanes Message-ID: <19990121012608.20181.qmail@hotmail.com> David wrote.. > >There's a card modelling site with an faq on the web and O'Hoolihan was >right, Murphy ( as in Murhy's Law ) was was an optimist - I just dumped >the URL two days ago ! Has some pretty useful info on folding and >forming techniques applicable to scratching in plastic card - Tip via >Harry Woodman BTW > >david Heres the site.... > http://er4www.eng.ohio-state.edu/~browns/card-faq/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:39:18 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Decal Trade Wanted Message-ID: Hi List, Try as I might, I have not been able to track down a good set of Pegasus 1/72 4-colour lozenge decals (upper & lower). Does anyone out there have a set they'd like to trade? I have plenty of spare 1/72 kits of Camels, Spads, Fokkers and so forth. How about a Veeday BE2c or some Formaplane vacs? If you like 1/48, I can lay my hands on some Eduard kits or a Dragon Udet D.VII. If you have two complete in-register sets, I may even cough up a Blue Max Spad VII. Come on! Someone out there has to have these babies squirreled away somewhere... Wondering, Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1405 **********************