WWI Digest 1403 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Baumer Albatros by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 2) Zebra-striped D.V by "Jay Humphreys" 3) Re: Quizlet by "Bill Ciciora" 4) Re: Baumer Albatros by "David Vosburgh" 5) Re: Quizlet by "David R.L. Laws" 6) Re: New Stuff at Hannants WAS New Eduard Stuff by REwing@aol.com 7) Re: VCR alert by Bob Pearson 8) RE: Baumer Albatros by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 9) Re: Zebra-striped D.V by Bob Pearson 10) Re: WWI model by KarrArt@aol.com 11) Re: Baumer Albatros by KarrArt@aol.com 12) RE: VCR alert by "Rodd Perrin" 13) Re: Quizlet by Kevin Wenker 14) RE: VCR alert by Bob Pearson 15) RE: VCR alert by Bob Pearson 16) Re: tying up threads by Mike Dicianna 17) RE: VCR alert by "Rodd Perrin" 18) Re: tying up threads by Ernest Thomas 19) Re: Zebra-striped D.V by REwing@aol.com 20) RE: Baumer Albatros by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 21) Re: Baumer Albatros by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 22) Re: VCR alert by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 23) Re: Scratchbuilding wings by David & Carol Fletcher 24) Re: VCR alert by Zulis@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:09:03 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Baumer Albatros Message-ID: <01BE43EF.F21EC4A0.panz-meador@vsti.com> peter gray, in his nov. 1971 "scale models" article, portrays a variety of J5 albatrossen, including baumer's. colors are based on the recollections of von Hippel, who flew with the jasta. the article's drawings are based on correspondence between gray and v.Hippel. gray makes the statement "Unless the qualification 'probably' or 'possibly' is used colours may be taken as certain." no such appelation attends the description of baumer's machine, which is described as having a red after fueselage. note that v.hippel's own machine, the "blitz", is portrayed as having a black/white lightning bolt, as the americal/gryphon sheet depicts correctly and the microscale sheet depicts incorrectly as red/white. HTH, phillip -----Original Message----- From: KarrArt@aol.com [SMTP:KarrArt@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 10:17 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Baumer Albatros In a message dated 1/13/99 7:41:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, dave@vga- graphics.com writes: << Paul Ba"umer's Albatros D.Va (I'm assuming it was an -a model) were? The only references I have are the old color profile from Air International, where the fuselage is represented as lt. grey/red; the painting on RKs website, where the rear looks black or dark grey; >> It's actually a DV, with the old aileron controls routed through the top wing. I'm not sure where this colors for this old profile come from, and I personally think it was another case of some art director saying "unknown color? well, then, if it's German, make it red". Baumer was covered pretty well over the years in C&C US, and I never came across any reference saying this was red. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:20:49 -0500 From: "Jay Humphreys" To: "WW1 Modeling List" Subject: Zebra-striped D.V Message-ID: <000101be4423$e62cea80$a9481bd1@sandia.aug.com> Anybody have any details on the "black and white striped Albatros D.V thought to be of Jasta 2" that appears in the D.V Profile? I have a poster-sized print of the same photo and was just wondering if anyone on the list has more information on this distinctive bird. (Anyone recognize the 3 smiling fliegers standing in front of it?) Any assistance greatly appreciated. Jay Humphreys ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:27:45 -0600 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: Quizlet Message-ID: <199901200327.VAA21209@kajiki.wwa.com> Is there a way of preventing Chicago-style voting (early and often) ? Bill Ciciora ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:39:41 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Baumer Albatros Message-ID: <00b701be4426$849ed3c0$017433cf@Pvosburg> Phillip & Robert Thank you both for your input. I wish I could get the photo digitized which came with the material in my friend's collection... Baumer's Iron Cross certificate & pilot's badge, and some other paperwork. I'd like to see if it's the shot printed in the Vintage Warbirds book, which I unfortunately don't have. This one shows PB in the office of a D.V from the rear on the port quarter, as I recall, and shows the eidelweiss quite clearly, along with color demarcations, etc.. It was probably clear enough to show me that it was a D.V and not an -a, if I'd been paying attention. Wish I could see the Scale Models issue you mention... my source has April & Dec. '71, but not Nov., and all of my issues are from '72. Breaks of the game, I suppose. Could someone reprise the Floquil red/green Jasta 5 color matches for me? I missed that thread. Dave V. -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 11:37 PM Subject: RE: Baumer Albatros >peter gray, in his nov. 1971 "scale models" article, portrays a variety of >J5 albatrossen, including baumer's. colors are based on the recollections >of von Hippel, who flew with the jasta. the article's drawings are based >on correspondence between gray and v.Hippel. gray makes the statement >"Unless the qualification 'probably' or 'possibly' is used colours may be >taken as certain." no such appelation attends the description of baumer's >machine, which is described as having a red after fueselage. > >note that v.hippel's own machine, the "blitz", is portrayed as having a >black/white lightning bolt, as the americal/gryphon sheet depicts correctly >and the microscale sheet depicts incorrectly as red/white. > >HTH, > >phillip > >-----Original Message----- >From: KarrArt@aol.com [SMTP:KarrArt@aol.com] >Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 10:17 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Baumer Albatros > >In a message dated 1/13/99 7:41:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, dave@vga- >graphics.com writes: > ><< Paul Ba"umer's > Albatros D.Va (I'm assuming it was an -a model) were? The only references >I > have are the old color profile from Air International, where the fuselage >is > represented as lt. grey/red; the painting on RKs website, where the rear > looks black or dark grey; >> > >It's actually a DV, with the old aileron controls routed through the top >wing. >I'm not sure where this colors for this old profile come from, and I >personally think it was another case of some art director saying "unknown >color? well, then, if it's German, make it red". Baumer was covered pretty >well over the years in C&C US, and I never came across any reference saying >this was red. > >Robert K. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:59:32 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Quizlet Message-ID: <36A5E145.1EE1@webtime.com.au> Bill Ciciora wrote: > > Is there a way of preventing Chicago-style voting (early and often) ? > > Bill Ciciora Hey, whasaddamaddawhitchoo ! You don't like Chicago style, it's maybe bedda you leave town Bugs ( still confused but now packin' heaters - Colt .45, Thompson sub-machine-gun - and carrying obligatory violin case) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:34:54 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Stuff at Hannants WAS New Eduard Stuff Message-ID: << Who's 'Arthur' anyway? >> He's the Tick's little side-kick buddy. -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:45:00 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: VCR alert Message-ID: <199901200345.TAA04574@spare.rapidnet.net> Brad, Dave and any other Toronto dwellers,, set your VCRs for midnight on the History Channel for the MvR piece Bob ---------- > From: "Brad Gossen" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: VCR alert > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:02:39 -0500 (EST) > > NOW ya tell me!! > > Caught it half way through. Some new footage of FE2b in flight. Good > interview with Peter Bird's son. Who's the 17 year old kid who looks like > MvR? Spooky. I take he's a descendent of some sort. > > Gotta go phone the network and find out when they're repeating it. > > Brad > ---------- > > From: Bob Pearson > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: VCR alert > > Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 9:12 PM > > > > > > On the History Channel in Canada right now is a show on MvR, it will > repeat > > at 9pm PST ... This isn't the A&E one either .... . has had interviews > with > > the his family as well as inflight shots of a Dr.I in Jacobs markings. > > > > Also on the same Channel was a show on the top scoring Sub ace Le Perrier > > (sp) this will repeat at 12:30 PST > > > > Gotta go watch TV ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:56:52 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Baumer Albatros Message-ID: <01BE43F6.9FFFA660.panz-meador@vsti.com> david: if you'll send me your address, i'll send you a copy of the article. lest i be assailed by net-nannies (ninnies?), such a provision is quite a legitamate offer. the paper is to be used for research (as are scientific papers copied from journals) and by no means constitutes the entirety of the issue, which of course would be a problem (that's why you don't go to the library and copy the entire issue of "Time" because you're too cheap for a subscription). furthermore, you'll not be using it as a final product (ala decal scans) unless you republish the thing under your own name, in which it would be a case of plaigerism. i write this rather wordy paragraph in response to a couple of list messages over the last few days and in light of my thought-out position in the wake of the list's "Jasta-gate" last summer. i'm an author too; at last count my publication list is around four filled pages of type, including refereed and non-refereed scientific papers, reports, presenta tions, book chapters, and an encyclopedia article. i don't see any problem with legit research efforts such as yours. phillip -----Original Message----- From: David Vosburgh [SMTP:dave@vga-graphics.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 9:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Baumer Albatros Phillip & Robert . Wish I could see the Scale Models issue you mention... my source has April & Dec. '71, but not Nov., and all of my issues are from '72. Breaks of the game, I suppose. Could someone reprise the Floquil red/green Jasta 5 color matches for me? I missed that thread. Dave V. -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 11:37 PM Subject: RE: Baumer Albatros >peter gray, in his nov. 1971 "scale models" article, portrays a variety of >J5 albatrossen, including baumer's. colors are based on the recollections >of von Hippel, who flew with the jasta. the article's drawings are based >on correspondence between gray and v.Hippel. gray makes the statement >"Unless the qualification 'probably' or 'possibly' is used colours may be >taken as certain." no such appelation attends the description of baumer's >machine, which is described as having a red after fueselage. > >note that v.hippel's own machine, the "blitz", is portrayed as having a >black/white lightning bolt, as the americal/gryphon sheet depicts correctly >and the microscale sheet depicts incorrectly as red/white. > >HTH, > >phillip > >-----Original Message----- >From: KarrArt@aol.com [SMTP:KarrArt@aol.com] >Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 10:17 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Baumer Albatros > >In a message dated 1/13/99 7:41:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, dave@vga- >graphics.com writes: > ><< Paul Ba"umer's > Albatros D.Va (I'm assuming it was an -a model) were? The only references >I > have are the old color profile from Air International, where the fuselage >is > represented as lt. grey/red; the painting on RKs website, where the rear > looks black or dark grey; >> > >It's actually a DV, with the old aileron controls routed through the top >wing. >I'm not sure where this colors for this old profile come from, and I >personally think it was another case of some art director saying "unknown >color? well, then, if it's German, make it red". Baumer was covered pretty >well over the years in C&C US, and I never came across any reference saying >this was red. > >Robert K. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:47:58 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Zebra-striped D.V Message-ID: <199901200347.TAA04611@spare.rapidnet.net> This photo is also the front page for the OTF website the fliegers are Ltns. Gerhard Bassenge, Friedrich Kempf (better known for his Dr.I "KEMPF') and Hermann Vallendor. regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: "Jay Humphreys" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Zebra-striped D.V > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:19:22 -0500 (EST) > > Anybody have any details on the "black and white striped Albatros D.V > thought to be of Jasta 2" that appears in the D.V Profile? I have a > poster-sized print of the same photo and was just wondering if anyone on the > list has more information on this distinctive bird. (Anyone recognize the 3 > smiling fliegers standing in front of it?) > > Any assistance greatly appreciated. > > Jay Humphreys ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:02:46 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI model Message-ID: In a message dated 1/18/99 9:47:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, 2814823733@home.com writes: << Yeah, I forgot that one too. Didn't Robert use clear styrene or something for that one? Oh, the Boelcke project is not in that issue, but in an even earlier issue from 1985 or 1986. Really neat. Dane >> If I can claim any distinction in spreading the word about WW I aviation stuff, it's that I've had two- count 'em- two BEs in FSM. The first was the scratchbuilt 1/48 BE2C in flight. This was my first experimental attempt to use clear styrene sheet to replicate cdl- this model has the horizontal tailplanes made out of the stuff. The second was a 1/32 scratchbuilt BE2- a nifty pre-war wingwarper, made almost entirely from clear styrene. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:02:47 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Baumer Albatros Message-ID: In a message dated 1/19/99 7:11:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, panz- meador@vsti.com writes: << peter gray, in his nov. 1971 "scale models" article, portrays a variety of J5 albatrossen, including baumer's. colors are based on the recollections of von Hippel, who flew with the jasta. the article's drawings are based on correspondence between gray and v.Hippel. gray makes the statement "Unless the qualification 'probably' or 'possibly' is used colours may be taken as certain." no such appelation attends the description of baumer's machine, which is described as having a red after fueselage. note that v.hippel's own machine, the "blitz", is portrayed as having a black/white lightning bolt, as the americal/gryphon sheet depicts correctly and the microscale sheet depicts incorrectly as red/white. HTH, phillip>. I've read this article, and to be honest I wondered about the reliability of vH's memory at the time. As it quotes vH in the intro "It is difficult to remember after 52 years". (My own memory is not exactly a shining example of perfection either!) After this came up again recently, I went back and looked at the main photograph in Imrie's Aces book, and it still appears to be a different color than the red stripe. There is a texturally fuzzy area directly beneath the edelweiss that could be a starnge reflection, or possibly yet another color. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:14:14 +1100 From: "Rodd Perrin" To: Subject: RE: VCR alert Message-ID: <000001be442b$577e4c90$9b018e0a@rlm05523.rlmsystems.com.au> Does anyone know the name of this show? If I know what I am looking for, I will keep an eye open and let people know when it is airing in Oz Rodd Perrin -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Pearson Sent: Wednesday, 20 January 1999 14:56 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: VCR alert Brad, Dave and any other Toronto dwellers,, set your VCRs for midnight on the History Channel for the MvR piece Bob ---------- > From: "Brad Gossen" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: VCR alert > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:02:39 -0500 (EST) > > NOW ya tell me!! > > Caught it half way through. Some new footage of FE2b in flight. Good > interview with Peter Bird's son. Who's the 17 year old kid who looks like > MvR? Spooky. I take he's a descendent of some sort. > > Gotta go phone the network and find out when they're repeating it. > > Brad > ---------- > > From: Bob Pearson > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: VCR alert > > Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 9:12 PM > > > > > > On the History Channel in Canada right now is a show on MvR, it will > repeat > > at 9pm PST ... This isn't the A&E one either .... . has had interviews > with > > the his family as well as inflight shots of a Dr.I in Jacobs markings. > > > > Also on the same Channel was a show on the top scoring Sub ace Le Perrier > > (sp) this will repeat at 12:30 PST > > > > Gotta go watch TV ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:24:00 -0600 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Quizlet Message-ID: <36A55A60.4B685F5F@interaccess.com> Hey, Bill - being ALSO from Chicago, I resemble that. I did not vote more than once. I did take MvR and Billy Bishop and Charlie Nungesser with to vote also, though. Kevin W Bill Ciciora wrote: > Is there a way of preventing Chicago-style voting (early and often) ? > > Bill Ciciora ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:23:21 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: VCR alert Message-ID: <199901200423.UAA04884@spare.rapidnet.net> In Canada it is part of a series called WAR STORIES . . I missed the start so didn't get the episode title beyond what is in the TV guide. . but it airs again in 1/2 hour so I'll check then .. sadly my VCR is screwed up, so I am unable to tape it. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:53:12 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: VCR alert Message-ID: <199901200453.UAA05069@spare.rapidnet.net> Rodd, The episode is called ' The Red Baron" Bob ---------- > From: "Rodd Perrin" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: VCR alert > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:10:35 -0500 (EST) > > Does anyone know the name of this show? > > If I know what I am looking for, I will keep an eye open and let people know > when it is airing in Oz > > Rodd Perrin > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu] On Behalf Of Bob > Pearson > Sent: Wednesday, 20 January 1999 14:56 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: VCR alert > > > Brad, Dave and any other Toronto dwellers,, set your VCRs for midnight on > the History Channel for the MvR piece > > Bob > ---------- > > From: "Brad Gossen" > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: VCR alert > > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:02:39 -0500 (EST) > > > > NOW ya tell me!! > > > > Caught it half way through. Some new footage of FE2b in flight. Good > > interview with Peter Bird's son. Who's the 17 year old kid who looks like > > MvR? Spooky. I take he's a descendent of some sort. > > > > Gotta go phone the network and find out when they're repeating it. > > > > Brad > > ---------- > > > From: Bob Pearson > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Subject: VCR alert > > > Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 9:12 PM > > > > > > > > > On the History Channel in Canada right now is a show on MvR, it will > > repeat > > > at 9pm PST ... This isn't the A&E one either .... . has had interviews > > with > > > the his family as well as inflight shots of a Dr.I in Jacobs markings. > > > > > > Also on the same Channel was a show on the top scoring Sub ace Le > Perrier > > > (sp) this will repeat at 12:30 PST > > > > > > Gotta go watch TV > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:08:04 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: tying up threads Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19990119210804.006daca8@dnc.net> At 09:51 PM 1/19/99 -0500, you wrote: > > >Brad Gossen wrote: > >> D-O-N-T-F-O-R-G-E-T-T-O-D-R-I-N-K-Y-O-U-R-O-V-A-L-T-I-N-E >> >> SNIP >> > Now, tying all this up to a few cryptic references to a nifty little >> movie >> > called 'Christmas Story', the comic book features a nice full page ad on >> the >> > back cover for Daisy BB guns. >> > Robert K. > >Is this the film that gave the confused bunnies their jammies? > I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU TO CONTINUE THIS THREAD.... > > > Mikedc "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:23:31 +1100 From: "Rodd Perrin" To: Subject: RE: VCR alert Message-ID: <000101be4435$0547f570$9b018e0a@rlm05523.rlmsystems.com.au> Thanks, I will see if Boss of the Foxtel Remote will allow me to tape errrr..... remotely backup the program. Rodd -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Pearson Sent: Wednesday, 20 January 1999 16:05 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: VCR alert Rodd, The episode is called ' The Red Baron" Bob ---------- > From: "Rodd Perrin" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: VCR alert > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:10:35 -0500 (EST) > > Does anyone know the name of this show? > > If I know what I am looking for, I will keep an eye open and let people know > when it is airing in Oz > > Rodd Perrin > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu] On Behalf Of Bob > Pearson > Sent: Wednesday, 20 January 1999 14:56 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: VCR alert > > > Brad, Dave and any other Toronto dwellers,, set your VCRs for midnight on > the History Channel for the MvR piece > > Bob > ---------- > > From: "Brad Gossen" > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: VCR alert > > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:02:39 -0500 (EST) > > > > NOW ya tell me!! > > > > Caught it half way through. Some new footage of FE2b in flight. Good > > interview with Peter Bird's son. Who's the 17 year old kid who looks like > > MvR? Spooky. I take he's a descendent of some sort. > > > > Gotta go phone the network and find out when they're repeating it. > > > > Brad > > ---------- > > > From: Bob Pearson > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Subject: VCR alert > > > Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 9:12 PM > > > > > > > > > On the History Channel in Canada right now is a show on MvR, it will > > repeat > > > at 9pm PST ... This isn't the A&E one either .... . has had interviews > > with > > > the his family as well as inflight shots of a Dr.I in Jacobs markings. > > > > > > Also on the same Channel was a show on the top scoring Sub ace Le > Perrier > > > (sp) this will repeat at 12:30 PST > > > > > > Gotta go watch TV > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:27:28 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: tying up threads Message-ID: <36A56940.7129@bellsouth.net> Mike Dicianna wrote: > I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU TO CONTINUE THIS THREAD.... > > A breach of protocall to throw out a 'triple dog dare' without a 'double dog dare' being offered first. E. who's in no danger of getting his toungue stuck to a flag pole in this town. It's gonna be in the eighties tomorrow. e > > > Mikedc > "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:47:13 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Zebra-striped D.V Message-ID: <6aafd19c.36a56de1@aol.com> Is this poster still available? I had one hanging in my living room in the late seventies and after several moves and years, it is gone. Sure would like to get a new one. -Rick- << This photo is also the front page for the OTF website the fliegers are Ltns. Gerhard Bassenge, Friedrich Kempf (better known for his Dr.I "KEMPF') and Hermann Vallendor. >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:12:46 -0700 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Baumer Albatros Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990119231246.006fb494@mail> At 10:10 PM 19/01/99 -0500, you wrote: >peter gray, in his nov. 1971 "scale models" article, portrays a variety of >J5 albatrossen, including baumer's. colors are based on the recollections >of von Hippel, who flew with the jasta. the article's drawings are based >on correspondence between gray and v.Hippel. gray makes the statement >"Unless the qualification 'probably' or 'possibly' is used colours may be >taken as certain." no such appelation attends the description of baumer's >machine, which is described as having a red after fueselage. > >note that v.hippel's own machine, the "blitz", is portrayed as having a >black/white lightning bolt, as the americal/gryphon sheet depicts correctly >and the microscale sheet depicts incorrectly as red/white. > >HTH, > >phillip Sort of. So where does that leave us? What is the list consensus? Do we go with the conclusions of a 28-year-old magazine article, which in turn relies on the--at that time--50+ year-old memory of an aging skywarrior? Personally, if it were my *choice*, I'd go with red. Dane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:14:58 -0700 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Baumer Albatros Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990119231458.006fc4c8@mail> At 11:09 PM 19/01/99 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 1/19/99 7:11:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, panz- >meador@vsti.com writes: > ><< peter gray, in his nov. 1971 "scale models" article, portrays a variety of > J5 albatrossen, including baumer's. colors are based on the recollections > of von Hippel, who flew with the jasta. the article's drawings are based > on correspondence between gray and v.Hippel. gray makes the statement > "Unless the qualification 'probably' or 'possibly' is used colours may be > taken as certain." no such appelation attends the description of baumer's > machine, which is described as having a red after fueselage. > > note that v.hippel's own machine, the "blitz", is portrayed as having a > black/white lightning bolt, as the americal/gryphon sheet depicts correctly > and the microscale sheet depicts incorrectly as red/white. > > HTH, > > phillip>. > >I've read this article, and to be honest I wondered about the reliability of >vH's memory at the time. As it quotes vH in the intro "It is difficult to >remember after 52 years". (My own memory is not exactly a shining example of >perfection either!) After this came up again recently, I went back and looked >at the main photograph in Imrie's Aces book, and it still appears to be a >different color than the red stripe. There is a texturally fuzzy area directly >beneath the edelweiss that could be a starnge reflection, or possibly yet >another color. >Robert K. > > Not the likeliest of answers, but maybe a different shade of red? I.e., not Jasta 5 red? Boy, bet you all wish some CNN cameraman had been there to tape it all. Dane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:19:37 -0700 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: VCR alert Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990119231937.006fe5cc@mail> At 10:56 PM 19/01/99 -0500, you wrote: > >Brad, Dave and any other Toronto dwellers,, set your VCRs for midnight on >the History Channel for the MvR piece > >Bob Just finished seeing it. Man, but it beat that old A&E crap to, well, crap. Great show. Also, couldn't help noticing, much to my chagrin, that the young Richtofen--don't recall his first name--expressed complex emotions and thoughts in English far better than 85% of the teenagers I have encountered in both Canada and the U.S. Interesting too to hear his thoughts on what he'll likely do when he is up for mandatory service, and the reasons he'll give for it. Lastly, it was a masterstroke to juxtapose the W.W. I footage with interviews with pilots of the modern Richtofen squadron. Dane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:23:17 -0800 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Scratchbuilding wings Message-ID: <36A57655.5876@mars.ark.com> David R.L. Laws wrote: "Shane and I were pawing...a few chunks of basswood recently sent over..." What! Basswood smuggled onto the Aussie continent - it'll be like the rabbits next and growing in every billabong! Dave F. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 01:39:48 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: VCR alert Message-ID: <5d2927d1.36a57a34@aol.com> In a message dated 1/20/99 1:21:40AM, Dane writes; << Lastly, it was a masterstroke to juxtapose the W.W. I footage with interviews with pilots of the modern Richtofen squadron. >> Another excellent angle was provided by speaking with the descendants of pilots whom MvR shot down. One was shown a piece of film footage of his father, as a prisoner, standing next to MvR and with a certain tension in his voice he says that his dad didnt think much of the Baron. He goes on to say that his father was aware of MvR's habit of having the silver souvenir cups made to record each victory and that he "didnt care to be one of MvR's trophies". In contrast, there was the story of the widow of a young pilot shot down by the Baron who, some time after the event, recieved in the mail a neat package of her husband's documents, personal items, etc along with a personal note of regret/condolence from MvR himself. The impression I got was that, despite all the hype and propaganda about the man, he was a genuinely interesting and complex person even without all that extra stuff added on. This film came along at just the right time - I am mid-way through the Bodenshatz diaries and the starry-eyed drivel that he wrote about his lord and master was almost enough to make me swear off of MvR for ever. Regards, Dave Z ps - I have a theory about the effects that MvR's head injury had upon him, and this video made me even more certain that I am on to something here, but will have to save that for another time. This post is way tooooo long already.... ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1403 **********************