WWI Digest 1394 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) St. ChrisBR's Day by Ernest Thomas 2) RE: The Skull Collection by Shane Weier 3) RE: The Skull Collection by Shane Weier 4) RE: The Skull Collection by Shane Weier 5) RE: PC12 & paint chips by Shane Weier 6) RE: Vacuform Collection by Shane Weier 7) Re: Toko Nie. 11 slammer: ATTN Matt Bittner by Mike Fletcher 8) Contest categories WAS: Sopwith Triplanes by Shane Weier 9) RE: Ebay by Dave Watts 10) Re: Contest categories WAS: Sopwith Triplanes by John & Allison Cyganowski 11) Re: The Skull Collection by John & Allison Cyganowski 12) Re: The Skull Collection by Ernest Thomas 13) Re: Contest categories WAS: Sopwith Triplanes by Dennis Ugulano 14) RE: Vacuform Collection by Dennis Ugulano 15) Re: Contest categories WAS: Sopwith Triplanes by John & Allison Cyganowski 16) RE: Ebay by Eric Fisher 17) Calling all Spandaus by John & Allison Cyganowski 18) Calling all Spandaus by John & Allison Cyganowski 19) Re: The Skull Collection by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 20) Re: Contest categories WAS: Sopwith Triplanes by Ernest Thomas 21) Re: Calling all Spandaus by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 22) Re: Calling all Spandaus by Ernest Thomas 23) Re: Ebay by Zulis@aol.com 24) Re: Ebay by Bob Pearson 25) Joe Chubbock by Yves Buffetaut 26) Where'd you all go? by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 27) Re: Ebay by Bill Bacon 28) RE: Vacuform Collection by "Richard Caudron" 29) RE: WWI SIDNA by "Richard Caudron" 30) RE: Vacuform Collection by "Richard Caudron" 31) RE: Vacuform Collection by "Richard Caudron" 32) RE: Sopwith Triplanes by "Richard Caudron" 33) Re: Contest categories WAS: Sopwith Triplanes by KarrArt@aol.com 34) Nieuport colors wasRe: Toko Nie. 11 slammer: ATTN Matt Bittner by KarrArt@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 01:15:41 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: St. ChrisBR's Day Message-ID: <36A18E1D.7886@bellsouth.net> Chris Banyai-Riepl wrote: > Sorry, Bob, but my commando rig can't go that far. All that rigging slows > me down, not to mention that those 160hp Mercedes engines just don't put out > the power like they used to.... Once more unto the breach, dear friend, once more; or close up the server with your English Bread(snip/insert St Crispin's Day speech) If you are mark'd to die, you are enow to do your country loss; and if to live, the fewer commando rigs, the greater share of honor. God's will I pray thee, wish not one horsepwer more... ...yadda yadda yadda...(snip) (cut back to Harfleur) Follow your spirit; and upon this charge cry "God for Harry, England, and Saint Legs!" > Exuent. Alarum, and chambers go off} ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:05:28 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: The Skull Collection Message-ID: Eric, > >> The D.I that Prinz something or other was killed in while > >> flying with Jasta > > > >Okay, I think I know the machine, but can't find the photo. > > > >Shane > > This is the a/c of Prince Friedrich Karl of Prussia. (snip) > also "Albatros Fighters" > datafile special, but I'm sure it appears in other pubs also. Good, thank you, I'd forgotten where I'd seen it, despite the book being on my workbench right now Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:07:53 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: The Skull Collection Message-ID: Matt, > Can we put together the set? If so, maybe Allan > >could add photos to the web page under a special heading. Any interest in > >such a up project? > > That sounds like a great idea! I haven't seen anymore > discussion about > it though. Anybody else interested? > Well, I have Monnington covered, so long as you'll deign to place a 1/72 model alongside a 1/48 Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:10:18 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: The Skull Collection Message-ID: EtH says: > Well.... while I have no immediate plans to start on it, my Eduard SSW > will most likely be sporting the skull & x-bones decals supplied with > the kit. Are these on a red/blue machine? Georg von Hantelmans machine? Or another? Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:15:04 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC12 & paint chips Message-ID: Sandy comments: > Sandy wrote: "By all means believe them if you wish, but > don't treat them as the only truth" and "Never yet have I read a pilot write > generically about red RFC aircraft". > FWIW I work for a mining company, and have seen raw iron oxide in the original mountain, by truck, train and shipload, and can report that like rust - same stuff - it comes in a wide range of colours from bright orange to dull brown. It doesn't take much imagination to believe that the pigment used in PC.12 might well vary over a considerable range, and as a consequence so might the colour of the PC.12 itself Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:34:53 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Vacuform Collection Message-ID: Dennis, > LIBRAMODELS: A good company in the mid 80's. Good kits. If I'm not > mistaken, the owner died not that long ago. Joe Chubbock.. He did. Their DH-5 was the easiest vac I ever made and the *only* survivor in my collection from my Army days Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 01:35:46 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Toko Nie. 11 slammer: ATTN Matt Bittner Message-ID: <36A1AEF2.B28C5A22@mars.ark.com> > available elsewhere. Anyway, the Toko instructions call for aluminized > dope, but I thought that Nieuport 11s were in CDL. So, should Guynemer's > and the Russian versions be in CDL? Were any Nieuport 11s ever repainted in > aluminized dope? I notice that the Ukrainian version is from 1919, by which > time the Nie. 11 must have been one geriatric airplane. I have found a single russian n.16 that was in the aluminium dope - but no 11's. With the exception of very worn machines the aluminium finish usually has a distictive appearance when photographed. It also appears that some Italian Nieuport 11's were in a darker colour - possibly kharki. The IRAS machine (option III) that the decal sheet depicts is actually a 21 - basicly a downgraded 17 with 11 engine and cowl and lacking the headrest. Option IV was likely cdl. I have no ideas on the Ukrainian one (not having seen the picture - scans anyone?) but it most likely was a 21 also. The camouflaged machine has an incorrect tail number (it should have 4 digits) and the pattern doesn't look like the standard pattern. From discussions before - the Vieux Charles text on the first option is not the correct style for the 11, and it should also be in cdl. On a related note however is that the russian cdl was very grey compared to the western version, but imho should still have a tan element to the colour. (oops here we go again) > Also, just because I'm calling this project a "slammer" doesn't mean I am > just throwing it together without regard for a fine finish. And yet I > notice that there is a real step between the cowling and the fuselage. > Should this be faired in with putty? Or should this step be there? The > small number of photos I have don't show this clearly enough. No step - I haven't taken the parts off the tree on mine so I cannot really comment on this part but it looks like it is going to stick too far out esp. at the bottom, where the cowl touches at a single point with the lower longeron. I have a pic of an italian machine I will forward to any interested. > By the way, working on the kit, I must say it grows on you. Here's hoping > that Toko does eventually get around to kitting a new Nieuport 17. But only > after they do an SE-5a. > > Dane I only got into Nieuports because I had a picture of a prewar monoplane and I was looking for something a little obscure to do a drawing of - and I wasn't able to contain the damage which has now spread all the way to some off topic post ww2 Nieuports I look forward to a really well done Nieuport 17 or 27 in 1/72 -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:40:39 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Contest categories WAS: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: Hi > > >> it was lumped in with a Spitfires, Thunderbolts, > BfXXX, etc. as a "single propeller aircraft". I wasn't totally > impressed! << > > Sounds like you were in Fresno, Calif. That's why I do not entere the > contest in my own town. Single engine prop covering WW1. > ridiculous! I know how you feel. I feel exactly the same. Mmm. You'd hate our State Championship then. ALL aircraft in 1/48 in two categories (out of box and NOT out of box). ALL 1/72 aircraft in two categories, similarly divided. So an Albatros, a Spitfire and an F-15 can be in the same section UNLESS there are so many entries that a split is decided. HOWEVER, I have very little complaint. A good WW1 model will beat all that heavy metal crap every time. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 06:21:34 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Ebay Message-ID: Here's how I have it, (in alphabetical order), 30 so far, anyone else? aew = Allan Wright amadonRI = Gerry McOsker asilid = Eric Fisher Biggles = Brad Gossen braille_scale_modeler = Paul A. Schwartzkopf cam27 = Cameron Riley cduckworth = Charles Duckworth davekim = Dave Sterner dicianna@dnc.net = Mike Dicianna eatons@onr.com = Richard Eaton fighter2 = Shane Weier fokker = David Watts furzball = David Laws graham3 = Graham Nash hagerupk = K. Hagerup ipms4450 = Russ Niles JastaElf = Sharon Henderson jberlien = Jack Berlien lejeune = Fernando Lamas Lothar = John Glaser MACFARB = MacFarb Macsporran = Sandy Adam modelhound = Mike Franklin Moritz1 = David Layton Nieuport29 = Mike Fletcher phoward@abilene.com = P. Howard Viper32 = Rob Woodbury vprice@gw.com.au = Vincent Price Vulture2 = Dave Zulis winks147 = Kevin Wenker ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 08:29:53 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Contest categories WAS: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: <36A1E5D1.365@worldnet.att.net> Last year I went to the IPMS Region 1 con. with Scott Scaeborough and another fellow. I am not sure what possessed him, (I suspect he was just looking for an arugment) but he placed a very nicely done Pfalz D.III in the single engine fighter catagory. It was rather amusing to see the Pfalz with all those FW's and Bf's etc. Well of course the judges were not amused and they moved the Pfalz into the "Rigged" catagory. Scott got his wish and was filled with wrath (righteous or otherwise - you decide). So anyway, the judging was over and the winner of the "Rigged" catagory was......A beautifully done Fokker Triplane. Well, it was a nice model and it did deserve a prize, but can you really consider aircraft like the Tripe and D.VII to be "Rigged"? Well if you thought Scott was bent out of shape when they moved the Pfalz....and I got to listen to it all the way home (~130 klicks). ;-0 John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 08:33:08 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Skull Collection Message-ID: <36A1E694.A6F@worldnet.att.net> There is a photo of Edwin Parsons wearing a helmet with a Jolly Roger in his book. He explained they wore these in training to ward off the evil eye. Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 09:04:42 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Skull Collection Message-ID: <36A1FC0A.211C@bellsouth.net> Shane Weier wrote: > Are these on a red/blue machine? Georg von Hantelmans machine? Or another? > I don't remember whose it is, but it's natural ply fuse with lozenge flying surfaces. Should look kinda snazzy. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 10:56:53 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Contest categories WAS: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: <199901171057_MC2-66F5-A024@compuserve.com> John, >> "Rigged" category was......A beautifully done Fokker Triplane. Well, it was a nice model and it did deserve a prize, but can you really consider aircraft like the Tripe and D.VII to be "Rigged"? << From what I am picking up there is some real fine hair splitting out there. In my part of the world, if there is a category at all, its "Biwing". It is generally understood that is mainly WW1 including monos, tris and quads. In that gaint contest in the sky, there will be a category for each scale, each era, etc. But for right now we have to live with the system. And to see the club's side of it, for each new category, that means more trophies or ribbons. It's a Catch 22 at best. But to not have any category at all is my beef. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 10:56:54 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Vacuform Collection Message-ID: <199901171057_MC2-66F5-A026@compuserve.com> Shane, >> the owner died not that long ago. Joe Chubbock.. He did. << How long ago did he die? I missed it if it was mentioned in Windsock. I remember speaking with him a couple of times on the phone a long time ago. He even sent me his copy of WW1 Aero to use for a while. I got it back to him as soon as possible. He did in the 80's in vacuform what no one else did on any kind of scale and that was to acknowledge that WW1 did happen and there were planes other than Spads and Fokker D.VII's out there. (No offence to Spad and D.VII builders). Others picked it up and 1/72 builders went from counting on you fingers and toes all of the available kits to over 100. Aeroclub and Windsock joined the fray about the same time and it was heaven for WW1 in 1/72. Can't forget Cross and Cockade and WW1 Aero that carried the banner almost alone for a long time. Over the Front joined in later. From there came Pegasus and short run injection. The hobby has taken what I consider a natural turn to 1/48 and now they are up their armpits in kits. They had it worse than 1/72 builders. Now we add Eduard, Toko and others in the late 90's and WW1 is flying high. This is a great time to be building WW1 kits. From the few injection mold kits, to vacuform to the next generation of injection mold kits, we do have it good. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:12:54 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Contest categories WAS: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: <36A20C06.1E5@worldnet.att.net> Yeah, I suppose trying to cover all the bases impossible. You could list the catagory as Multi Winged & Rigged, but some trouble maker would insist that his UH1B was a multi wing! Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 08:34:34 -0800 From: Eric Fisher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Ebay Message-ID: (WW1 list members on Ebay ...) >Here's how I have it, (in alphabetical order), 30 so far, anyone else? > >Dave Watts Thanks Dave. I wonder who "scottbeth@earthlink.net" is? Have very deep pockets -- $156 for the bound WW1 profiles! I see that name on a lot of Ebay WW1 aviation bids. Eric. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:19:10 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Calling all Spandaus Message-ID: <36A20D7E.13A@worldnet.att.net> Okay, I have fought the photoetch jacket wars and am ready to paint. I would prefer something in acrylic, but wouls no rule ou enamel, but would probably apply the enamel with a brush. How do you folks finish your Spandaus? John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:20:07 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Calling all Spandaus Message-ID: <36A20DB7.650E@worldnet.att.net> Okay, I have fought the photoetch jacket wars and am ready to paint. I would prefer something in acrylic. I would not rule out enamel, but would probably apply the enamel with a brush. How do you folks finish your Spandaus? John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 10:41:12 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Skull Collection Message-ID: <19990117.105021.-915721.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 04:06:58 -0500 (EST) Shane Weier writes: >Well, I have Monnington covered, so long as you'll deign to place a >1/72 >model alongside a 1/48 Really? :-) No problem! Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 10:47:59 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Contest categories WAS: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: <36A2143F.79EE@bellsouth.net> Shane Weier wrote: > So an Albatros, a Spitfire and an F-15 can be in the same section UNLESS > there are so many entries that a split is decided. HOWEVER, I have very > little complaint. A good WW1 model will beat all that heavy metal crap every > time. I know I've bored others with this tale, but we now have some new members that I can bore. So here I go again. I enter contests because I like to compete. Most of my pile of modeling awards were won by default, and therefore don't really mean much to me. My second year going to the model contests, I had a DH-2 and a DH-4 to enter in the 'Bipes-all scales,all eras' catagory and a E-III and D-VIII to enter in 'Single Engine Monoplanes, pre 1945'. At the Baton Rouge contest, my monos were put in with the bipes. But I didn't mind that because there were some other entries. Nice ones too. It sucked when they split that catagory into 'Germans' and 'all others'. Every model won 'something'. I was told that my Fokkers were put into the Bipes catagory because the judges felt I was at a disadvantage competeing against the Spits, Me.10-NINES, 190's and what nots. Fine. Then the following month here at the N.O. contest, my fokkers were put into the Bipes asae, because a judge felt I had an unfair advantage over the Spits and 190's. Here's the rub; I ended up having 4 of the 5 entries in that catagory. No competition there. I tried to protest, but I was told about the IPMS rule that says models of fabric covered a/c with rigging should all be lumped together, regardless of how many wings it has. So... Rigging on a plastic model is, for the most part, just for looks. There's nothing strucural about it. So what's the difference between flying/control wires and the antenna wire found on most spits, 190's and whatnot. An F4U Corsair has more than one, not too mention fabric panels on the wings. A Huricane has a fabric covered fuselage, and an antenna wire. I mean, a model may represent fabric, wood, steel, aluminum, titanium, or any other material. But it's still all just styrene plastic. Why not just make the catagory 'models with string' then you can have bipes competeing against anything with a wire or string; Metal skin mono's, sailing ships, modern warships, cars with super detailed engines, etc... That would be an award worth winning. Just my two sheckels worth... Soap box off. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 10:52:43 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Calling all Spandaus Message-ID: <19990117.105249.-915721.4.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:36:26 -0500 (EST) John & Allison Cyganowski writes: >I have fought the photoetch jacket wars and am ready to paint. I >would >prefer something in acrylic, but wouls no rule ou enamel, but would >probably apply the enamel with a brush. > >How do you folks finish your Spandaus? Base coat of Graphite, followed by a black-oil wash. Once the oil is dry (one to two days) then lightly drybrushed with Steel. All - but the oil - Polly Scale colors. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 10:52:16 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Calling all Spandaus Message-ID: <36A21540.404C@bellsouth.net> John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: > How do you folks finish your Spandaus? Cursing and spitting :) usually with Floquil 'chainmail' (now oop, I've heard) followed by either a light drybrushing with steel, or a rub with graphite. hth, E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:11:00 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ebay Message-ID: <41428522.36a219a4@aol.com> In a message dated 1/17/99 11:35:37AM, you write: << Thanks Dave. I wonder who "scottbeth@earthlink.net" is? Have very deep pockets -- $156 for the bound WW1 profiles! I see that name on a lot of Ebay WW1 aviation bids. >> Ahhh... the bane of my existence.... This is actually a friend of Bobs who apparently has a money-printing machine in the basement. In a recent post, I mentioned the frustration of last-minute bids, but argued that they are all part of the game. Scott is the undisputed master of this technique. He has good taste, though. Bids big for the quality stuff and ignores the rest. Dave Z Vulture2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 09:26:22 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Ebay Message-ID: <199901171726.JAA09917@spare.rapidnet.net> Ahhh... the bane of my existence.... This is actually a friend of Bobs who > apparently has a money-printing machine in the basement. In a recent post, I > mentioned the frustration of last-minute bids, but argued that they are all > part of the game. Scott is the undisputed master of this technique. Not *a* money printing machine .. . *the* money printing machine . . . Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:55:54 +0200 From: Yves Buffetaut To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Joe Chubbock Message-ID: <36A215FF.6F25@club-internet.fr> In the mid 80's, I went one or two times at his home and we drank some beer (or was it some tea ?). He looked like a fairly young man, around 40, and I can hardly believe he's now dead. Anyway, his kits are still there, and I'll remember him long. Yves ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:04:44 -0700 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Where'd you all go? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990117120444.006bb424@mail> Hey guys! Where'd you all go? I assume something is amiss, because I haven't received a single list note in close to 20 hours. Is anyone else having this problem, or is it just me? Dane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:43:45 -0600 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ebay Message-ID: <36A23D71.9A10C3BA@netjava.net> Bob, it has to be good to beat yours (fhades of Phoenix) Cheers Bill B. Bob Pearson wrote: > Ahhh... the bane of my existence.... This is actually a friend of Bobs > who > > apparently has a money-printing machine in the basement. In a recent > post, I > > mentioned the frustration of last-minute bids, but argued that they are > all > > part of the game. Scott is the undisputed master of this technique. > > Not *a* money printing machine .. . *the* money printing machine . . . > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:12:58 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: Vacuform Collection Message-ID: <000001be4255$c78b4880$d45f5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> Bien sur, cher ami : http://www.hannants.co.uk/cgi-bin/home.pl Mais avant tout, avale ta carte de credit avant de sombrer corps et biens dans ce quasar modelistique. Bien à toi, Richard Caudron > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Yves Buffetaut > Sent: zaterdag 16 januari 1999 19:48 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Vacuform Collection > > > Thank you Richard > Do you know the address of Hannant's website ? > Best regards > Yves > à toi, ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:13:03 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: WWI SIDNA Message-ID: <000101be4255$c9de6040$d45f5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> If 1/72, what are your conditions ??? Regards, Richard Caudron > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > mgoodwin@ricochet.net > Sent: zaterdag 16 januari 1999 20:38 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: WWI SIDNA > > > Stuff I Don't Need Anymore: > > K&B DH-10 > Tom's Halberstadt Cl.II resin kit ( featuring correct tailplane > dimensions, Aeromaster lozenge, metal bits) > ESCI Nie. 17 > > Decals: > > Microscale U.S. Insignia 1918-1941 (includes WWI roundels and early star > & red circle insignia, rudder striping and stencils) > Revell Nie. 17 (N1424) sheet (whole) and two partials w/ wing roundels & > rudders > Revell Camel (Roy Brown's?) > ABT Italian Spad XIII and Nie 17 ("Caution, son of a dog" slogan) > > The kits are available for trade/sale, and the decals (with possible > exception of Microscale Sheet) will be thrown in with trades/sales > > Riordan > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:35:16 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: Vacuform Collection Message-ID: <000d01be4258$e47e72c0$d45f5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> Super, gardes-le moi. Si tu le souhaites, tu me laisses quelques jours, et je répertorie d'eventuels doubles (au moins un Etrich Taube ...) à moins que tu souhaites convertir 30$ en FF ou en Euros. Comme tu le sens, tu décides ... Quoi qu'il en soit, grand merci, Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Yves Buffetaut > Sent: zaterdag 16 januari 1999 21:49 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Vacuform Collection > > > Cher Richard, > Un seul AEG GIV, ça me va très bien. Si tu veux l'autre, dis-le moi. Je > n'ai aucune idée de son prix. $ 10 ? > Yves > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:35:19 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: Vacuform Collection Message-ID: <000e01be4258$e618e8e0$d45f5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> Matt, Congratulations for your Web site ... Great, Great, Great Regards, Richard Caudron, Belgium > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Matthew E Bittner > Sent: zondag 17 januari 1999 1:36 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Vacuform Collection > > > On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:03:03 -0500 (EST) Dennis Ugulano > writes: > > >The Doppledeckker isn't that bad. Why would twenty six wires just in > >the > >top of upper wing scare you? Piece o cake. (add evil snicker here) > > Oh, don't I know it! I have a scan of mine on Al's page: > > http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Bittner/index.html > > > Matt Bittner > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:35:22 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: <000f01be4258$e7dc91e0$d45f5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> Sorry for the meeting. It is a little bit to soon for me to cross the Atlantic. Maybe one day with Yves and our models we will come and take all awards. Dream is not expensive ... Regards, Richard Caudron > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Leonard Endy > Sent: zondag 17 januari 1999 3:24 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Sopwith Triplanes > > > On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:17:04 -0500 (EST), you wrote: > > >> No - of course not. But the official IPMS classification is > >> something along the lines of "Biplanes and Pioneers (and other > >> aircraft which are primarily fabric and rigging)" > >> > >I really hate this rule! > > The Richmond VA IPMS Chapter has it's annual open contest scheduled > for Feb 13 and, as usual, the category we would most be interested in > is: "All Scales - Rigged Wings". Hows that for defining an era.... > > By the way, I do plan on attending so if anyone else from the list is > going to be there it would be a good opportunity for us to meet. > > Len > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:42:28 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Contest categories WAS: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: <400274b7.36a24b34@aol.com> In a message dated 1/17/99 5:48:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, Janah@worldnet.att.net writes: << Well if you thought Scott was bent out of shape when they moved the Pfalz....and I got to listen to it all the way home (~130 klicks). ;-0 John Cyg. >> Fisrt contest I competed in, I won something, so naturally assumed it was my right to win! But the second time, I got skunked- boy, was I bent out of shape, imagining all sorts of dark conspirations and I was filled with a lot of "how dare they?" I've learned a lot since then. Ya win some, ya lose some, but it always neat to see other modeler's works. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:42:30 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Nieuport colors wasRe: Toko Nie. 11 slammer: ATTN Matt Bittner Message-ID: In a message dated 1/17/99 1:36:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, mdf@mars.ark.com writes: << I have found a single russian n.16 that was in the aluminium dope - but no 11's. With the exception of very worn machines the aluminium finish usually has a distictive appearance when photographed. It also appears that some Italian Nieuport 11's were in a darker colour - possibly kharki. >> For Christmas, I got t great hard back book- Finnish Air Force Camouflage and Markings. It has a few pictures of Nieuports- vaguely what I call the N 17 family. The captions don't say whether they're DUKS or otherwise, but an interesting little notation mentions fuselages being finished in something called "light brown Marmantov laquer". I haven't a clue about this substance. Ring a bell with any one? Robert K. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1394 **********************