WWI Digest 1392 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Vacuform Collection by Yves Buffetaut 2) Re: The Skull Collection by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 3) RE: E III wasRe: Sopwith Triplanes by "Richard Caudron" 4) RE: Felixstowe in restoration by "Richard Caudron" 5) Re: Vacuform Collection by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 6) Re: The Skull Collection by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 7) Re: Sopwith Triplanes by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 8) Re: Vacuform Collection by "richard eaton" 9) RE: RE: Sopwith Triplanes by "Richard Caudron" 10) RE: Sopwith Triplanes by "Richard Caudron" 11) Re: The Skull Collection by "K. Hagerup" 12) WWI SIDNA by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 13) RE: Pensacola Naval Air Museum by "Richard Caudron" 14) RE: Vacuform Collection by "Richard Caudron" 15) RE: Vacuform Collection by "Richard Caudron" 16) RE: Vacuform Collection by "Richard Caudron" 17) Re: Sopwith Triplanes by David & Carol Fletcher 18) Re: The Skull Collection by "Steven M. Perry" 19) Re: Eduard Pfalz DIII by Rick Milas 20) Re: The Skull Collection by "K. Hagerup" 21) Re: Pensacola Naval Air Museum by Rick Milas 22) Re: Vacuform Collection by Yves Buffetaut 23) Re: Vacuform Collection by Yves Buffetaut 24) RE: Pensacola Naval Air Museum by "John C Glaser" 25) Re: Sopwith Triplanes by "David Vosburgh" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:49:06 +0200 From: Yves Buffetaut To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vacuform Collection Message-ID: <36A0D0EC.5395@club-internet.fr> Thank you Richard Do you know the address of Hannant's website ? Best regards Yves ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:55:52 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Skull Collection Message-ID: <36A18978.42E7@ricochet.net> Matthew E Bittner wrote: > Any interest in such a group project? > > That sounds like a great idea! I haven't seen anymore discussion >about it though. Anybody else interested? I'm game, but we'll have to establish some parameters. It should probably be scale of choice, because we all know how that is. Everyone is fairly posessive of their own efforts, and transport/shipping of models is problematic, so I suggest everyone choose a different subject and send Al pictures/scans. Well, since I'm volunteering first, I'd like to do the witch death's head Nie. 17 (in 1/48) covered on the Blue Rider IRAS Sheets. These may be the best source for bones out there. I believe there is also red death's headed 17 on the BR Italian sheets. I have an ESCI Nie. 17 w/Nungesser's markings available for trade if anyone is interested. Hmmm...this may be a clever plot by Bittner to get everone building Nieuports, and I'm playing right into his fiendish hands! I'd build a SPAD VII if a proper one was affordable. I might anyway. FWIW, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:59:20 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: E III wasRe: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: <000001be4182$537b5c60$845f5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> And you won in a Bi-plane category ! Congratulations ... > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > KarrArt@aol.com > Sent: zaterdag 16 januari 1999 8:08 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: E III wasRe: Sopwith Triplanes > > > In a message dated 1/15/99 11:04:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, > richard_caudron@ibm.net writes: > > << Was the Fokker EIII a BI-plane ? > Richard Caudron > >> > Nope- it was a monoplane! > Robert K. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:13:40 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: Felixstowe in restoration Message-ID: <000301be4184$537026e0$845f5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> Oh yes, please, do it ... Cheers, Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Bob Pearson > Sent: zaterdag 16 januari 1999 8:37 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Felixstowe in restoration > > > > Richard, > > I already have Brad's F5L photos scanned. Anyone else wanting copies of > these photos send me an email offlist and I will send them out. > > Bob > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:12:20 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vacuform Collection Message-ID: <19990116.131823.-828083.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:56:54 -0500 (EST) Dennis Ugulano writes: >Phoenix Otto Doppledecker Under construction, good :-) Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:17:22 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Skull Collection Message-ID: <19990116.131823.-828083.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:57:18 -0500 (EST) mgoodwin@ricochet.net writes: >I have an ESCI Nie. 17 w/Nungesser's markings available for trade if >anyone is interested. Another Nie.17...hmm...I wonder if I need anymore? ;-) >Hmmm...this may be a clever plot by Bittner to get everone building >Nieuports, and I'm playing right into his fiendish hands! Bwahahahaha!!! Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:18:18 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: <19990116.131823.-828083.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:12:56 -0500 (EST) "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> writes: >Yes, it would make much more sense to have a chronological >classification, >like 1903-1918. This way, you could compete against a CR.42 or a >Gladiator >c. 1941. Not that you couldn't beat them, but it just seems to make >sense >to judge like with like. Nine times out of ten the category is broken up that way anyway. Except the '97 Nats, where there were *plenty* of both "eras" to break out...grrr... Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:16:34 -0600 From: "richard eaton" To: Subject: Re: Vacuform Collection Message-ID: <199901161917.NAA10700@sierra.onr.com> Yes Yves http://www.hannants.co.uk/ ---------- > From: Yves Buffetaut > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Vacuform Collection > Date: Saturday, January 16, 1999 12:47 PM > > Thank you Richard > Do you know the address of Hannant's website ? > Best regards > Yves ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:26:41 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: RE: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: <000e01be4186$24e0fbe0$845f5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> It was supposed to be a joke from my part. Regards, Richard Caudron > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Bill Shatzer > Sent: zaterdag 16 januari 1999 9:07 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: RE: Sopwith Triplanes > > > > > > Richard wrote: > > >Was the Fokker EIII a BI-plane ? > > No - of course not. But the official IPMS classification is > something along the lines of "Biplanes and Pioneers (and other > aircraft which are primarily fabric and rigging)" > > Thus, Morane Saulniers, Fokker E.IIIs (and IVs), Bristol > M.1Cs and Taubes qualify for the catagory - despite having > only a single wing. Numerous triplanes (and a few quadraplanes) > would qualify for the "biplane" catagory as well - despite having > an excess number of wings. > > Cheers and all, > > > > > -- > Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org > > "Cave ab homine unius librum." > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:27:32 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: <001401be4186$431930a0$845f5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> It was supposed to be a joke from my part. But, I learn something about the IPMS UK classifications. Good to know for the day I will cross Atlantic with my models. I made last year a third price at the belgian IPMS convention, category Vaccus all scales, with a DFW 28 Floh (Classic Planes 1/72), and I am ready for the next one with a Dufaux fighter. Regards, Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Ernest Thomas > Sent: zaterdag 16 januari 1999 15:17 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Sopwith Triplanes > > > Bill Shatzer wrote: > > > > Richard wrote: > > > > >Was the Fokker EIII a BI-plane ? > > > > No - of course not. But the official IPMS classification is > > something along the lines of "Biplanes and Pioneers (and other > > aircraft which are primarily fabric and rigging)" > > > I really hate this rule! > E. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:27:22 -0600 From: "K. Hagerup" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Skull Collection Message-ID: <36A0E81A.3C89@prodigy.net> I'd like to build the Toko Nieuport 11 and/or the Temeks MS Type I. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 23:35:41 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: WWI SIDNA Message-ID: <36A192CD.6E76@ricochet.net> Stuff I Don't Need Anymore: K&B DH-10 Tom's Halberstadt Cl.II resin kit ( featuring correct tailplane dimensions, Aeromaster lozenge, metal bits) ESCI Nie. 17 Decals: Microscale U.S. Insignia 1918-1941 (includes WWI roundels and early star & red circle insignia, rudder striping and stencils) Revell Nie. 17 (N1424) sheet (whole) and two partials w/ wing roundels & rudders Revell Camel (Roy Brown's?) ABT Italian Spad XIII and Nie 17 ("Caution, son of a dog" slogan) The kits are available for trade/sale, and the decals (with possible exception of Microscale Sheet) will be thrown in with trades/sales Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:40:57 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: Pensacola Naval Air Museum Message-ID: <001d01be4188$2333af20$845f5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> Can you indicate me their web page ? Thank you in advance Richard Caudron > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > John C Glaser > Sent: zaterdag 16 januari 1999 16:43 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Pensacola Naval Air Museum > > > I'll have an open afternoon in my travel schedule on Monday and > was planning > to visit the Naval Air Museum in Pensacola. Naturally, first stop will be > the on-topic exhibits. Any other suggestions on what to see & do? I've > already visited their web page. > > > - John > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:51:13 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: Vacuform Collection Message-ID: <001e01be4189$9220ca20$845f5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> I discover the charme of the WWI and vacus airplanes in my favorite (and unique scale) 1/72 two years ago, and I am now really crazy about It : I already realize in vaccu two airplanes which were prototypes in their time : The french Duffaux fighter whith its engine in the middel of the fuselage, and the german DFW 28 Floh, with a operational camoflage. I am builiding now the F2A Felixstowe and the Gotha GIV for which I ask help for the internals details. I will find out the site of aeroclub and send it to you tomorrow. Otherwise, you can order it by Hannants : http://www.hannants.co.uk/cgi-bin/home.pl There is a package for the GOTHA GIV. I will send you the exact references for lather. I dream about your Caudron GIII, never seen in kit at 1/72. Beside the Gotha GIV, do you have other kits in double, or vacus kits you would like to exchange or sell ? Regards, Richard Caudron > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Yves Buffetaut > Sent: zaterdag 16 januari 1999 17:20 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Vacuform Collection > > > Dear List, > > To read all your messages gave me today the wish to look at what was > left in my shelves, as far as the WW1 kits were concerned. I didn’t > remember I had so many models to build. > I suppose you can help me, because I have mainly got vacuforms and they > need all Aeroclubs parts, but I’ve lost the address and I don’t know > what to order. > Here is the list of my kits (all 1/72) : > Vacuform > Avro 504 K Expomodel (no engine) > Nieuport Nighthawk Blue Rider (complete with > white metal parts) > Hansa Brandenburg D1 MHW Models (complete with no decals) > Halberstadt CL II Formaplane (no engine, no > decals, ugly wheels) > AEG GIV (2 times) Classic Plane (no engine, no decals) > Caudron G III Roseplane (no engine, good decals) > Gotha GIV Rareplane (no engine, > no decals) > Pomilio PE Libramodels (complete > with decals) > Caudron G4 Formaplane (ugly kit > with nothing) > Blériot XI Formaplane (what a miss !) > Blériot XI Skuld (with metal parts) > Sopwith Classic Classic Plane (no engine, no decals) > Nieuport 27 Skuld (no decals) > Lloyd CII Joystick (complete > with decals) > Navy Jenny NAF (lovely kit) > Mitsubishi IMFI-10 Phœnix (no engine, no decals) > Nieuport XI Classic Plane (no engine, no decals) > DH1 or 1a Phœnix (no engine, > no decals) > DH6 Phœnix (no > engine, no decals) > Thomas Morse Warbirds (no engine, no decals) > Be2c Formaplane (no engine, > no decals, but good kit) > Dorand AR1A2 Joystick (with decals) > FBA Lévêque Libramodels (white > metal + decals) > Eole (off-topic) Skud (with white metal parts) > Otto Doppeldecker Phœnix (no engine, no decals) > Sopwith Camel Blue Rider (conversion with > photo-etched parts > AD Sparrow scout Expomodel (no engine, no decals) > Farman MF20 HF23 Skuld (with engine and wheels) > Ansaldo Ballila A1 Joystick (with decals) > Voisin LA III Classic Plane (with white metal, no decals) > DFW CV Classic Plane (no engine, > no decals) > Sopwith Batboat Joystick Models (no decals) > Halberstadt CL IV Joystick Models (no decalls) > Nieuport Mono 1912 Scaleplanes (no engine, no decals) > Be2a Phœnix (no engine, > no decals) > Martinsyde S1 Classic Plane (no engine, no decals) > > Short run > Sopwith Dolphin Pegasus > > Resin > Junkers J4 Eurokit (superb kit, no decals) > Salmson 2A2 Replica (with decals) > > White metal > Fokker DVIII ??? (no decals) > > “Normal” kits > Sopwith Triplane Revell > Fokker E III Revell > SE 5a Esci > RE8 (2 times) Airfix (vintage aircraft > collection) > Bristol F2b (2 times)Airfix (vintage aircraft > collection) > Airco DH4 (2 times) Airfix (vintage aircraft > collection) > Roland C II Airfix (vintage > aircraft collection) > Albatros DV Airfix (vintage > aircraft collection) > Spad VII Airfix > > As you see, it is very old stuff and I wonder if some of the makers are > still on the market. I wonder what I had in mind to get 37 vacuforms ! > If you’re interested in the kits I have twice, let me know off list. > Have you ever made some of these kits ? And if so, which one seems to > you the less distressful ? > Thanks for your comments. > Yves > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:51:17 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: Vacuform Collection Message-ID: <001f01be4189$94d0f600$845f5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> Pardon Yves, Je n'avais pas réalisé que nous étions entre francophones ... Bien à toi, Richard Caudron > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Yves Buffetaut > Sent: zaterdag 16 januari 1999 17:20 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Vacuform Collection > > > Dear List, > > To read all your messages gave me today the wish to look at what was > left in my shelves, as far as the WW1 kits were concerned. I didn’t > remember I had so many models to build. > I suppose you can help me, because I have mainly got vacuforms and they > need all Aeroclubs parts, but I’ve lost the address and I don’t know > what to order. > Here is the list of my kits (all 1/72) : > Vacuform > Avro 504 K Expomodel (no engine) > Nieuport Nighthawk Blue Rider (complete with > white metal parts) > Hansa Brandenburg D1 MHW Models (complete with no decals) > Halberstadt CL II Formaplane (no engine, no > decals, ugly wheels) > AEG GIV (2 times) Classic Plane (no engine, no decals) > Caudron G III Roseplane (no engine, good decals) > Gotha GIV Rareplane (no engine, > no decals) > Pomilio PE Libramodels (complete > with decals) > Caudron G4 Formaplane (ugly kit > with nothing) > Blériot XI Formaplane (what a miss !) > Blériot XI Skuld (with metal parts) > Sopwith Classic Classic Plane (no engine, no decals) > Nieuport 27 Skuld (no decals) > Lloyd CII Joystick (complete > with decals) > Navy Jenny NAF (lovely kit) > Mitsubishi IMFI-10 Phœnix (no engine, no decals) > Nieuport XI Classic Plane (no engine, no decals) > DH1 or 1a Phœnix (no engine, > no decals) > DH6 Phœnix (no > engine, no decals) > Thomas Morse Warbirds (no engine, no decals) > Be2c Formaplane (no engine, > no decals, but good kit) > Dorand AR1A2 Joystick (with decals) > FBA Lévêque Libramodels (white > metal + decals) > Eole (off-topic) Skud (with white metal parts) > Otto Doppeldecker Phœnix (no engine, no decals) > Sopwith Camel Blue Rider (conversion with > photo-etched parts > AD Sparrow scout Expomodel (no engine, no decals) > Farman MF20 HF23 Skuld (with engine and wheels) > Ansaldo Ballila A1 Joystick (with decals) > Voisin LA III Classic Plane (with white metal, no decals) > DFW CV Classic Plane (no engine, > no decals) > Sopwith Batboat Joystick Models (no decals) > Halberstadt CL IV Joystick Models (no decalls) > Nieuport Mono 1912 Scaleplanes (no engine, no decals) > Be2a Phœnix (no engine, > no decals) > Martinsyde S1 Classic Plane (no engine, no decals) > > Short run > Sopwith Dolphin Pegasus > > Resin > Junkers J4 Eurokit (superb kit, no decals) > Salmson 2A2 Replica (with decals) > > White metal > Fokker DVIII ??? (no decals) > > “Normal” kits > Sopwith Triplane Revell > Fokker E III Revell > SE 5a Esci > RE8 (2 times) Airfix (vintage aircraft > collection) > Bristol F2b (2 times)Airfix (vintage aircraft > collection) > Airco DH4 (2 times) Airfix (vintage aircraft > collection) > Roland C II Airfix (vintage > aircraft collection) > Albatros DV Airfix (vintage > aircraft collection) > Spad VII Airfix > > As you see, it is very old stuff and I wonder if some of the makers are > still on the market. I wonder what I had in mind to get 37 vacuforms ! > If you’re interested in the kits I have twice, let me know off list. > Have you ever made some of these kits ? And if so, which one seems to > you the less distressful ? > Thanks for your comments. > Yves > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:51:21 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: Vacuform Collection Message-ID: <002001be4189$97673140$845f5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> Do you really need TWO AEG IV, or should you be helpfull o a belgian 1/72 WWI vaccu consumer ??? Regards, Richard Caudron > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > richard eaton > Sent: zaterdag 16 januari 1999 19:35 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Vacuform Collection > > > Yves, first of all welcome to the list from sunny central Texas. Always > nice to > have a scholar and writer join up. Especially from la belle France! > > Always scary to go through the closet. I recently did that and > was assisted > in clearing out extras by several of the learned members of the list. > I have had experience with the following. > > > AEG GIV (2 times) Classic Plane (no engine, no decals) > > Gotha GIV Rareplane (no engine, > no decals) > > DH1 or 1a Phœnix (no engine, > no decals) > > Ansaldo Ballila A1 Joystick (with decals) > > Martinsyde S1 Classic Plane (no engine, no decals) > > Of those the Ansaldo Ballila A1 is the least stressful and builds up > nicely. > As a rule the Blue rider kits are some of the best (and costly) > Vacs I have > built. > > Of the "Normal" kits the Roland C II by Airfix is easy, fun, and nice. > > For aftermarket motors/guns etc. I can recommend Hannants on your side of > the pond. > Great service and web site. > > bon jour and regards, > > Richard > > ---------- > > From: Yves Buffetaut > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Vacuform Collection > > Date: Saturday, January 16, 1999 10:19 AM > > > > Dear List, > > > > > As you see, it is very old stuff and I wonder if some of the makers are > > still on the market. I wonder what I had in mind to get 37 vacuforms ! > > If you’re interested in the kits I have twice, let me know off list. > > Have you ever made some of these kits ? And if so, which one seems to > > you the less distressful ? > > Thanks for your comments. > > Yves > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 11:49:09 -0800 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: <36A0ED35.376E@mars.ark.com> Richard Caudron wrote: "I made last year a third price at the belgian IPMS convention, category Vaccus all scales, with a DFW 28 Floh..." When I entered my D.H.2 in the Belgian Nationals, it was lumped in with a Spitfires, Thunderbolts, BfXXX, etc. as a "single propeller aircraft". I wasn't totally impressed! Dave Fletcher IPMS/Canada 390 IPMS/Belgium (Retired) - but Didier Waelkens sent me another application form with his Xmas letter! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 15:04:09 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Skull Collection Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990116150409.009f607c@pop.mindspring.com> At 02:30 PM 1/16/99 -0500, you wrote: >I'd like to build the Toko Nieuport 11 and/or the Temeks MS Type I. > >Ken > Ok this seems to be going somewhere. I just finished the Revell MoS N as a IRAS XIX Corps Detachment Type I ship with the skull & cross bones on the black rudder. If you have a WWI model with a skull on it, get a photo of it and write a paragraph or two about it. I wouldn't venture to volunteer Allan for this. Allan you do so much in our behalf as it is. But I do have 5 Meg of web space that comes with my ISP account, so I will make that available to display some pictures. We were evolving a fair list back on this thread. With that as a starting point, we might work out a fairly complete list of the usages of skulls as markings. Pictures can be added as models with skulls get built. Anyone with any bright ideas for the design of a page to display the photos, give me a holler off list. Same for anyone who already has photos of any models with skull markings. LMK sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:29:08 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Milas To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Eduard Pfalz DIII Message-ID: I don't have the ability to scan photos, but maybe I could take some pix and have someone else do it. Thanks for asking though. Rick On Sat, 16 Jan 1999, David Vosburgh wrote: > Any chance of seeing some photos?? > > DV > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Milas > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Saturday, January 16, 1999 5:42 AM > Subject: RE: Eduard Pfalz DIII > > > >Except for the rigging I finished my Pfalz DIII tonight. I'm pleased with > >the results. I want to thank everyone for the help they gave me over the > >past several months. Couldn't have done it without you! Now it's time to > >start the Eduard Albatros DIII I got for Christmas. > >Rick Milas > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:31:35 -0600 From: "K. Hagerup" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Skull Collection Message-ID: <36A0F726.28EE@prodigy.net> Another one, if not already mentioned... The Emhar Mk IV Female in captured Geramn markings Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:35:33 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Milas To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Pensacola Naval Air Museum Message-ID: John, My family and I get to the Naval Air Museum about once a year. It's a great place and they're always making changes to the exhibits. We never get tired of it. Everything has to have some naval connection to be included. For instance they have a Fokker DVII painted for Willi Gabriel's machine. They justify having this aircraft because the navy used some for trainers, or at least considered their use. Have a great time! Rick Milas On Sat, 16 Jan 1999, John C Glaser wrote: > I'll have an open afternoon in my travel schedule on Monday and was planning > to visit the Naval Air Museum in Pensacola. Naturally, first stop will be > the on-topic exhibits. Any other suggestions on what to see & do? I've > already visited their web page. > > > - John > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:48:12 +0200 From: Yves Buffetaut To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vacuform Collection Message-ID: <36A0ECD0.2020@club-internet.fr> Dear Richard, I've got quite a number of WW2 or between the wars models in vacuform; If you're interested, I'll send you a massage off-list. Yves ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:49:56 +0200 From: Yves Buffetaut To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Vacuform Collection Message-ID: <36A0ED37.6330@club-internet.fr> Cher Richard, Un seul AEG GIV, ça me va très bien. Si tu veux l'autre, dis-le moi. Je n'ai aucune idée de son prix. $ 10 ? Yves ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:59:57 -0600 From: "John C Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Pensacola Naval Air Museum Message-ID: <000201be4193$2c3c9b80$f011820a@johng-home> Richard: It's http://www.naval-air.org/ - John -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Richard Caudron Sent: Saturday, January 16, 1999 1:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Pensacola Naval Air Museum Can you indicate me their web page ? Thank you in advance Richard Caudron > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > John C Glaser > Sent: zaterdag 16 januari 1999 16:43 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Pensacola Naval Air Museum > > > I'll have an open afternoon in my travel schedule on Monday and > was planning > to visit the Naval Air Museum in Pensacola. Naturally, first stop will be > the on-topic exhibits. Any other suggestions on what to see & do? I've > already visited their web page. > > > - John > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 18:58:59 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: <000c01be41ac$305045a0$297433cf@Pvosburg> Brad: It's in Chapt. V, "Arrangement, Fabrication and Bracing of Airplane Wings", pg. 165. Regards, Dave -----Original Message----- From: Brad Gossen To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Saturday, January 16, 1999 12:58 PM Subject: Re: Sopwith Triplanes >Hey Dave. >What chapter and page? I have a copy but can't find this reference. >Thanks >Brad > >---------- >> From: David Vosburgh >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Subject: Re: Sopwith Triplanes >> Date: Saturday, January 16, 1999 10:15 AM >> >> This brings to mind a passage from Major V. Page's "Modern Aircraft" >dealing >> with the R.A.E.'s experiments on preventing deterioration of fabric by >the >> use of pigmented varnish. I always assumed that the P.C.10 (and -12, >> presumably) formula was developed primarily as camouflage... but >according >> to this the khaki color was pretty much co-incidental, the iron oxides >> providing "a high extinction coefficient for actinic light", etc.. >> >> If anyone would like to read the original (about a page and a half), give >me >> a shout off-list. Since the book was published in 1928 I don't think >sharing >> scans will create a problem. >> >> DV >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bill Shatzer >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Date: Saturday, January 16, 1999 1:18 AM >> Subject: RE: Sopwith Triplanes >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >Michael writes: >> > >> >> At the risk of starting another avalanche, what do you all think >> >>about that kit? I'd kind of like to try PC 12 on it but I don't know >if I >> >>could stand to use Brick Red (as someone once suggested). That seems >just >> a >> >>little too red for my taste on an RNAS machine. Anyone agree, or am I >way >> >>out there? Thanks again, this is fun! >> > >> >Ray Rimmell gave us two paint chips in Windsock V.3, N.1 - one >supposedly >> >matched to a "well worn and faded DH.9A based in India" while the >> >other is supposedly the "average hue for fresh PC12 dope". While the >> >"sample" is decidedly "brownish", the fresh sample is certainly what >> >I would call "brick red". I have a note in this issue, scribbled I >> >don't know how many years ago which I noted that Floquil Boxcar Red is >> >a close match to the "fresh sample" (Apparently, I never found or >wasn't >> >interested in the "faded" color.) >> > >> >Rimmell indicates that these paint chips were matched to fabric samples >> >provided by Ian Huntley which is pretty supporting authority. And, >> >the formula for PC12 called for Red Iron Oxide with a little lampblack >> >added. Straight Red Iron Oxide was pretty red - the formula for >> >Ident.Red (Dull) which was used for the national insignia on night >> >bombers was merely straight Red Iron Oxide without the lampblack. >> > >> >The Methuen references Rimmell gives are 9E6 for the faded and 9E8 >> >for the fresh if that's any help. >> > >> >But, if you're doing a fresh color, brick red (or boxcar red) it is, >> >I'm afraid. Faded, the color becomes more brownish and less reddish - >> >least if Rimmell and Huntley know what they were talking about. >> > >> >Cheers and all, >> > >> > >> >-- >> > Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org >> > >> > "Cave ab homine unius librum." >> > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1392 **********************