WWI Digest 1390 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: The Skull Collection by Shane Weier 2) RE: Schneider by Shane Weier 3) Re: Felixstowe in restoration, now museum recollections by "Brad Gossen" 4) RE: Felixstowe in restoration, now museum recollections by Shane Weier 5) Re: The Skull Collection by "Brad Gossen" 6) Passing on an offer by Mike Dicianna 7) Re: The Skull Collection by "Brad Gossen" 8) Re: Introducing myself by r_niles@juno.com (Russell W Niles) 9) Re: Sopwith Triplanes by r_niles@juno.com (Russell W Niles) 10) Re: The Skull Collection by Bob Pearson 11) Re: The Skull Collection by Bob Pearson 12) Re: The Skull Collection by Bob Pearson 13) Re: The Skull Collection by Mike Fletcher 14) Note for Dave Laws by BStett3770@aol.com 15) Re: new dude wasRe: Sopwith Triplanes by KarrArt@aol.com 16) Re: The Skull Collection by "Brad Gossen" 17) Re: new dude wasRe: Sopwith Triplanes by "Sharon Henderson" 18) Re: The Skull Collection by "David Vosburgh" 19) RE: Sopwith Triplanes by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 20) Re: Felixstowe in restauration by DavidL1217@aol.com 21) Re: Schneider by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 22) RE: Sopwith Triplanes by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 23) Re: Sopwith Triplanes by KarrArt@aol.com 24) List by Mike Fletcher 25) RE: RE: Sopwith Triplanes by "Richard Caudron" 26) RE: Felixstowe in restoration by "Richard Caudron" 27) E III wasRe: Sopwith Triplanes by KarrArt@aol.com 28) RE: Felixstowe in restoration by "Richard Caudron" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:39:50 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: The Skull Collection Message-ID: Steven, > Ok, who has any of these planes built? Kits/decal sheets? I have > Bromowski's (sp?). Can we put together the set? If so, maybe > Allan could add photos to the web page under a special heading. Any > interest in such a group project? As if *I* need more projects. But FWIW Americal sheets have these covered. Julius Arigi sheet 70 (1/72) sheet 71 (1/48) Georg von Hantelmann Jasta 15 Fokker D.VII, Albatros D.V and SSW D.III Monnington (D.V) all on sheet 138 (1/72) or sheets 139 and 140 (1/48) Phonix D.I 328:26 p33 of the datafile sheet 70 (1/72) sheet 72 (1/48) Brumowski and Nungessors markings come in various kits, Russias 19 Sqn in many Nie kits The others mentioned by RK, Matt and SP, I don't know. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:42:08 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Schneider Message-ID: Pedro, > Can anyone out there confirm that the cabane struts on the > Sop Schneider > (and on the Baby, for that matter) were set at the same angle as the > Interplane struts? > Don't know about the Schneider, but Datafile 60 shows them as exactly the same in side and front elevation Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:09:00 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restoration, now museum recollections Message-ID: <199901160011.TAA13169@smtp2.globalserve.net> OOPS! I'm redder than a ... really,... really,... red thing. My apologies to all antipodeans. I actually meant to say Kingsford Smiths Lockheed Altair, uh yah, thats right, his Altair, thats the ticket! I'm sure I used to know this. For some reason I was temporarily under the impression that Kingsford Smith had been lost in the Southern Cross. I believe there has recently been a replica built and flown which likely added to my confusion. All those years of breathing 80 octane fumes are catching up with me. Perhaps I've been spending too much time 'on' topic at the expense of 'off' topic subjects which oughtta be common knowledge. No, no, I've got it. It's Dave's fault! If Amelia's Lockheed is actually in the NASM, please, I'd rather not know. Brad ---------- > From: Shane Weier > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Felixstowe in restoration, now museum recollections > Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 4:31 PM > > Brad, > > > If your > > Australian it would be like finding a large chunk of the > > Southern Cross (a piece of the true cross if you will) preserved in a barn > in > > the outback. > > An interesting analogy, only slightly ruined by the presence of 100% of > Southern Cross in a climate controlled hangar less than 3 miles from my home > where I sit writing this ! > > But I do understand what you mean. > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:19:43 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Felixstowe in restoration, now museum recollections Message-ID: Brad, > OOPS! I'm redder than a ... really,... really,... red thing. My > apologies to all antipodeans. hee hee > I believe there has recently been a replica built and flown which likely > added to my confusion. There has. I saw it at the Caboolture air show last year when it surprised me just how slow and lumbering the machine was. The replica, with relatively modern engines, landed at what looked like walking pace. Well worth seeing, as was the replica of G-EAOU built at Caboolture AND the replica of Bert Hinklers Avro Avian, (both by the same person, who also piloted them in re-enactments of Ross and Keith Smiths first England-Australia flight and Hinklers first England-Australia solo - just a few weeks back) > If Amelia's Lockheed is actually in the NASM, please, I'd > rather not > know. You're safe. I heard it was on the grassy knoll Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:29:38 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: The Skull Collection Message-ID: <199901160031.TAA13752@smtp2.globalserve.net> Aviatik Berg D.1 138.XX, Flik 74/J page 493 of Austro-Hungarian Army Aircraft of WW1. Skull smoking pipe on sides and top deck. Brad ---------- > From: Shane Weier > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: The Skull Collection > Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 5:14 PM > > Diego makes an interesting suggestion: > > > > It seems that the skull motif appears quite frequently in > > fuselage sides -in fact beyond nationalities and troughout > > all wars- and setting aside all psychological interpretations it would > > interesting to have a collection with many WW1 aircraft with boneheads: > > Monnington/Brumowsky/that unidentified DV/Nungesser/etc. I > > can't remember more but I'm sure that there are lots. > > It even could make a hairraising datafile special! > > This one really *would* make an interesting theme for a small collection. > After I read Diegos comment I started to wonder whether I could add to his > list, but though I'm sure I've seen many, I could only recall a short list > > Can anyone add to this list > > Julius Arigi > Godwin Brumowski > Monnington > Charles Nungessor > Unidenified D.V on p31 of the Sqn Signal Albatros Fighters > D.III 1617/17 on p14 of the Albatros D.III datafile > D.II 1782/16 on back cover of the Albatros D.II datafile > Phonix D.I 328:26 p33 of the datafile > Georg von Hantelmann Jasta 15 Fokker D.VII, Albatros D.V and SSW D.III > Gotha G.III 385/16 (skull covers nose) > Entire Russian 19 Squadron with skull & crossbone tails > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:39:44 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Passing on an offer Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19990115163944.006c6904@dnc.net> I got another reponse to my plea for WWI stuff on Hobbyweb.com. A guy sent me an email and said he has a MPC Spad VII (1/72) available and also a UPC Martin MB-2 Bomber kit. Both in good condition. He is moving soon and said they were "dead weight":} Give me a toot off list and I'll forward his email address if anyone is interested. Mikedc "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:45:52 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: The Skull Collection Message-ID: <199901160048.TAA14289@smtp2.globalserve.net> Also BE2e, #50 Home Defense Sqdrn. Skull and Crossbones on fuselage sides between the cockpits and on under surface of upper wing. See colour profile in Squadron Sig. BE2 In Action. Brad ---------- > From: Shane Weier > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: The Skull Collection > Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 5:14 PM > > Diego makes an interesting suggestion: > > > > It seems that the skull motif appears quite frequently in > > fuselage sides -in fact beyond nationalities and troughout > > all wars- and setting aside all psychological interpretations it would > > interesting to have a collection with many WW1 aircraft with boneheads: > > Monnington/Brumowsky/that unidentified DV/Nungesser/etc. I > > can't remember more but I'm sure that there are lots. > > It even could make a hairraising datafile special! > > This one really *would* make an interesting theme for a small collection. > After I read Diegos comment I started to wonder whether I could add to his > list, but though I'm sure I've seen many, I could only recall a short list > > Can anyone add to this list > > Julius Arigi > Godwin Brumowski > Monnington > Charles Nungessor > Unidenified D.V on p31 of the Sqn Signal Albatros Fighters > D.III 1617/17 on p14 of the Albatros D.III datafile > D.II 1782/16 on back cover of the Albatros D.II datafile > Phonix D.I 328:26 p33 of the datafile > Georg von Hantelmann Jasta 15 Fokker D.VII, Albatros D.V and SSW D.III > Gotha G.III 385/16 (skull covers nose) > Entire Russian 19 Squadron with skull & crossbone tails > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:56:26 EST From: r_niles@juno.com (Russell W Niles) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Introducing myself Message-ID: <19990115.165650.2519.1.r_niles@juno.com> Yves, Welcome from The other coast of the USA. California. I am sure that you will enjoy your time with the list as much as the rest of us. Welcome. Russ Niles IPMS 4450 Too close for missles...switching to guns. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:56:26 EST From: r_niles@juno.com (Russell W Niles) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: <19990115.165650.2519.0.r_niles@juno.com> >Great to hear it! None of this pansy 1/48 scale stuff! Would that 1/32 >was >the *smallest* scale you could get W.W. I models in! >>Welcome to our group. >>You will have fun. >>Dane Michael Welcome to the list. And a hearty "here, here" for anything larger than 1/48. Russ Niles IPMS 4450 Too close for missles...switching to guns. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:22:20 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: The Skull Collection Message-ID: <199901160222.SAA00871@spare.rapidnet.net> > Aviatik Berg D.1 138.XX, Flik 74/J page 493 of Austro-Hungarian Army > Aircraft of WW1. Skull smoking pipe on sides and top deck. > > Brad I have a profile of this a/c at the OTF site, go to colours and markings and then German/Austrian a/c www.overthefront.com Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:22:38 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: The Skull Collection Message-ID: <199901160222.SAA00876@spare.rapidnet.net> The D.I that Prinz something or other was killed in while flying with Jasta B Barker's RE8 had a small one below the nose Bob ---------- > From: Shane Weier > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: The Skull Collection > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:14:18 -0500 (EST) > > Diego makes an interesting suggestion: > > > > It seems that the skull motif appears quite frequently in > > fuselage sides -in fact beyond nationalities and troughout > > all wars- and setting aside all psychological interpretations it would > > interesting to have a collection with many WW1 aircraft with boneheads: > > Monnington/Brumowsky/that unidentified DV/Nungesser/etc. I > > can't remember more but I'm sure that there are lots. > > It even could make a hairraising datafile special! > > This one really *would* make an interesting theme for a small collection. > After I read Diegos comment I started to wonder whether I could add to his > list, but though I'm sure I've seen many, I could only recall a short list > > Can anyone add to this list > > Julius Arigi > Godwin Brumowski > Monnington > Charles Nungessor > Unidenified D.V on p31 of the Sqn Signal Albatros Fighters > D.III 1617/17 on p14 of the Albatros D.III datafile > D.II 1782/16 on back cover of the Albatros D.II datafile > Phonix D.I 328:26 p33 of the datafile > Georg von Hantelmann Jasta 15 Fokker D.VII, Albatros D.V and SSW D.III > Gotha G.III 385/16 (skull covers nose) > Entire Russian 19 Squadron with skull & crossbone tails > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:23:22 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: The Skull Collection Message-ID: <199901160223.SAA00900@spare.rapidnet.net> > I recall seeing an F.E.8, I believe, with a big, goofy skull emblazoned on > the nose, and there was also the redoubtable Carl Parks' D.H.1A (how come > he's not on the list?) from FSM two years ago. > > DV I got to judge Carl's DH1 at the Phoenix OTF gathering. . had to give him demerits for using his own article as reseach material for his model :-) It really is a nice piece of work.. as is his N-9H Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:36:36 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Skull Collection Message-ID: <369FFB34.F0F71FD7@mars.ark.com> I can add an RFC Beardmore N.12, an American Nieuport 24bis, a whole squadron of Russian Nieuports, SPADs and Moranes of different types (IRAS XIX Death or Glory Squadron), and Nungesser had a Voisin, 2 Nieuport 17's, a 17bis, and 2 N.25's, plus a Levasseur PL2, all with skulls. The machines he used post war may have included some with the insignia as well and among these was a Hanriot and the Nieuport 81 at Old Rhinebeck (misidentified as a 10) -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:45:47 EST From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Note for Dave Laws Message-ID: <5f54f40e.369ffd5b@aol.com> Hi Dave Send me a E-mail off group Tried to send you one , but it bounced back Fotocut items back in stock Sorry for taking up the space gang. Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:58:07 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: new dude wasRe: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: <3c50277a.36a0003f@aol.com> In a message dated 1/14/99 5:38:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, sharon@sword.net writes: << I have this mad urge to do a model of a Focke-Wulf 190 in full European camo, with a piece of nose art depicting a Wilde Hase.... (A Wild Hare....) :-) Wouldja whup me ifn' I did?? :-) Sharon, Recovering Chinese Food Addict :-) >> Aw shucks, I don't hold with whupin' the wimen folk (lessin' maybe they goes and paints Confused Bunnies on they FWs) Dr. S. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:26:29 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: The Skull Collection Message-ID: <199901160333.WAA13711@mail5.globalserve.net> Dave I know Cole Palen had a big skull painted on the nose of his FE8. Most of his paint schemes were based, sometimes loosely, on fact. I don't know what his references for this one might have been though. Brad ---------- > From: David Vosburgh > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: The Skull Collection > Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 5:51 PM > > I recall seeing an F.E.8, I believe, with a big, goofy skull emblazoned on > the nose, and there was also the redoubtable Carl Parks' D.H.1A (how come > he's not on the list?) from FSM two years ago. > > DV > -----Original Message----- > From: Shane Weier > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 6:38 PM > Subject: The Skull Collection > > > >Diego makes an interesting suggestion: > > > > > >> It seems that the skull motif appears quite frequently in > >> fuselage sides -in fact beyond nationalities and troughout > >> all wars- and setting aside all psychological interpretations it would > >> interesting to have a collection with many WW1 aircraft with boneheads: > >> Monnington/Brumowsky/that unidentified DV/Nungesser/etc. I > >> can't remember more but I'm sure that there are lots. > >> It even could make a hairraising datafile special! > > > >This one really *would* make an interesting theme for a small collection. > >After I read Diegos comment I started to wonder whether I could add to his > >list, but though I'm sure I've seen many, I could only recall a short list > > > >Can anyone add to this list > > > >Julius Arigi > >Godwin Brumowski > >Monnington > >Charles Nungessor > >Unidenified D.V on p31 of the Sqn Signal Albatros Fighters > >D.III 1617/17 on p14 of the Albatros D.III datafile > >D.II 1782/16 on back cover of the Albatros D.II datafile > >Phonix D.I 328:26 p33 of the datafile > >Georg von Hantelmann Jasta 15 Fokker D.VII, Albatros D.V and SSW D.III > >Gotha G.III 385/16 (skull covers nose) > >Entire Russian 19 Squadron with skull & crossbone tails > > > >Shane > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:48:54 -0500 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: new dude wasRe: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: <9901152248.AA54084@ft.sumter> > In a message dated 1/14/99 5:38:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, > sharon@sword.net writes: > > << > I have this mad urge to do a model of a Focke-Wulf 190 in full > European camo, with a piece of nose art depicting a Wilde Hase.... > (A Wild Hare....) :-) > > Wouldja whup me ifn' I did?? :-) > > Sharon, > Recovering Chinese Food Addict :-) >> > > Aw shucks, I don't hold with whupin' the wimen folk (lessin' maybe > they goes and paints Confused Bunnies on they FWs) > Dr. S. Izzat a challenge, mein Herr??? :-) (Sharon brandishes a stencil cutting knife and her airbrush nozzle....) :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:54:18 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: The Skull Collection Message-ID: <00a901be4103$e577e5e0$11d690d0@Pvosburg> Brad: That's probably where I saw it, either there or on the F.E. which dropped in unexpectedly at the Pittsfield (MA) airport some years back out of a rain cloud... turned out it was on a ferry flight to Owl's Head. I'll have to check through my photos of Rhinebeck, but I have that bothersome feeling that I saw it in a period photo as well. Regards, DV -----Original Message----- From: Brad Gossen To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 11:50 PM Subject: Re: The Skull Collection >Dave > > I know Cole Palen had a big skull painted on the nose of his FE8. Most >of his paint schemes were based, sometimes loosely, on fact. I don't know >what his references for this one might have been though. > >Brad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:17:50 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: <199901160417.UAA20436@compass.OregonVOS.net> Michael writes: > At the risk of starting another avalanche, what do you all think >about that kit? I'd kind of like to try PC 12 on it but I don't know if I >could stand to use Brick Red (as someone once suggested). That seems just a >little too red for my taste on an RNAS machine. Anyone agree, or am I way >out there? Thanks again, this is fun! Ray Rimmell gave us two paint chips in Windsock V.3, N.1 - one supposedly matched to a "well worn and faded DH.9A based in India" while the other is supposedly the "average hue for fresh PC12 dope". While the "sample" is decidedly "brownish", the fresh sample is certainly what I would call "brick red". I have a note in this issue, scribbled I don't know how many years ago which I noted that Floquil Boxcar Red is a close match to the "fresh sample" (Apparently, I never found or wasn't interested in the "faded" color.) Rimmell indicates that these paint chips were matched to fabric samples provided by Ian Huntley which is pretty supporting authority. And, the formula for PC12 called for Red Iron Oxide with a little lampblack added. Straight Red Iron Oxide was pretty red - the formula for Ident.Red (Dull) which was used for the national insignia on night bombers was merely straight Red Iron Oxide without the lampblack. The Methuen references Rimmell gives are 9E6 for the faded and 9E8 for the fresh if that's any help. But, if you're doing a fresh color, brick red (or boxcar red) it is, I'm afraid. Faded, the color becomes more brownish and less reddish - least if Rimmell and Huntley know what they were talking about. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:10:28 EST From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restauration Message-ID: <95bf4d58.36a01f44@aol.com> There is one (I believe a F5a) at the Smithsonian which is disassembled. The fuselage is half covered suggesting this may have been used for demonsation purposes at one time. The diagram of the Large aircraft display building proposed for Dulles shows a silouette of the Felistowe. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:32:33 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Schneider Message-ID: <199901160432.UAA27386@compass.OregonVOS.net> Pedro writes: >Can anyone out there confirm that the cabane struts on the Sop Schneider >(and on the Baby, for that matter) were set at the same angle as the >Interplane struts? >From the photos and the plans, it sure looks like they are at the same "rake". There are, I understand, good structural reasons why the angle of the struts would be uniform. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:52:18 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: <199901160552.VAA26494@compass.OregonVOS.net> I wrote: >Ray Rimmell gave us two paint chips in Windsock V.3, N.1 - one supposedly >matched to a "well worn and faded DH.9A based in India" while the >other is supposedly the "average hue for fresh PC12 dope". While the >"sample" is decidedly "brownish", And, I of course meant to write, "While the "-faded- sample". Ah well, I'll have some more Madeira, m'dear. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 01:08:55 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: In a message dated 1/15/99 8:56:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, bshatzer@orednet.org writes: << Ray Rimmell gave us two paint chips in Windsock V.3, N.1 - one supposedly matched to a "well worn and faded DH.9A based in India" while the other is supposedly the "average hue for fresh PC12 dope". While the "sample" is decidedly "brownish", the fresh sample is certainly what I would call "brick red". I have a note in this issue, scribbled I don't know how many years ago which I noted that Floquil Boxcar Red is a close match to the "fresh sample" (Apparently, I never found or wasn't interested in the "faded" color.) Rimmell indicates that these paint chips were matched to fabric samples provided by Ian Huntley which is pretty supporting authority. And, the formula for PC12 called for Red Iron Oxide with a little lampblack added. Straight Red Iron Oxide was pretty red - the formula for Ident.Red (Dull) which was used for the national insignia on night bombers was merely straight Red Iron Oxide without the lampblack. The Methuen references Rimmell gives are 9E6 for the faded and 9E8 for the fresh if that's any help. But, if you're doing a fresh color, brick red (or boxcar red) it is, I'm afraid. Faded, the color becomes more brownish and less reddish - least if Rimmell and Huntley know what they were talking about. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum.">> Subliminally flipping again tonight, I came across Windsock v3 n2, which has a letter from JM Bruce commenting on the chips in the v3 n1, and he likes 'em -so- if Bruce and Huntley are both satisfied, well, I guess I am too. Robert K aka Dr.S. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:16:54 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: List Message-ID: <36A02ED6.C4779377@mars.ark.com> the list faq needs a small fix - there is an extra tag that renders it almost unreadable. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 08:03:45 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: RE: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: <000001be411e$5c1bc260$3d5f5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> Was the Fokker EIII a BI-plane ? Richard Caudron > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Paul Schwartzkopf > Sent: vrijdag 15 januari 1999 15:51 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: RE: Sopwith Triplanes > > > Hi Michael, and welcome to the list. > > Your name sure rings a bell with me. I was out at the '92 > regional in Colorado Springs (took first place in 1/72 biplanes > with my Fokker E.III). Perhaps we met there? So when in June is > your regional scheduled? I remember having a real good time > there in '92! > > I am not familiar with the 1/32 Tripe, but the Eduards 1/48 Tripe > is a pretty good kit, plus you could get it done in time for the > contest. Has a few minor assembly quirks to it, but nothing serious. > > Paul A. Schwartzkopf > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 08:03:48 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: Felixstowe in restoration Message-ID: <000101be411e$5d94a6c0$3d5f5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> Great, Great, Great ... I have a 1200 dpi scanner, if you want. My address is Richard CAUDRON 55, rue du Moulin B-1480 Tubize Belgium > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Brad Gossen > Sent: vrijdag 15 januari 1999 13:54 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restoration > > > Richard > > Lurking in a dark corner of a hangar at NASM's Silver Hill storage > facility in Maryland, you will find the shabby hull of a sadly neglected > Felixstowe F5 or as the Yanks are calling it (and probably rightly so) a > Curtiss F5L. I recall reading once that this machine was built in Toronto > (hence my preference for Felixstowe) for a US Navy order. The skin around > the cockpit is missing and the hull surface that is visible is painted a > battleship grey. I took some pictures of it at the OTF convention in '96 > but as I did not have a flash they are terribly blurry. It was > wedged tight > into a corner and several large aircraft were shoe-horned on > either side of > it so photography was not easy. The cockpit interior was visible > and seemed > to be fairly intact right down to the black leather upholstery on the > pilots seat and the black wrapping around the control wheel. If anyone is > interested I could snail-mail them to Legs Pearson or anyone else with a > scanner for posting. In fact Bob may even have copies. Bob? > > Brad > > ---------- > > From: Richard Caudron > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Felixstowe in restauration > > Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 4:24 AM > > > > Does any Felixstowe still exist ? > > I am builing the Aeroclub one on 1/72, and miss documentation on it. But > I > > took some pictures from the 1/48 shown at the UK national > convention last > > year. > > Cheers, > > Richard Caudron > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > > > David Vosburgh > > > Sent: donderdag 14 januari 1999 15:58 > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Subject: Re: TC Resins 1/48 Felixstowe > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: David R.L. Laws > > > Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 2:47 AM > > > Subject: Re: TC Resins 1/48 Felixstowe > > > > > > > > > >Speaking of beautiful - Now, is anyone up for a Southhampton ? - > > > >Glorious hull form and some pretty good photos available after the > > > >recent restoration too > > > > > > > >david > > > >>>> > > > And a Singapore, and a Blackburn Iris, and all the Saros, and... > > > > > > Dave V. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 02:06:42 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: E III wasRe: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: <9be7bb5c.36a03a82@aol.com> In a message dated 1/15/99 11:04:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, richard_caudron@ibm.net writes: << Was the Fokker EIII a BI-plane ? Richard Caudron >> Nope- it was a monoplane! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 08:15:35 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: RE: Felixstowe in restoration Message-ID: <000201be4120$02b926c0$3d5f5c8b@PCCE.cim-hardi.be> Please, copys, copys, copys ... A have a a Windsock magazine and a the UK book Royal Naval Air Service 1912-1918 over the Felixdtowe with some really interresting pictures, such as gunners in the upper wing. Maybe the best should be to offer eveything to our new French friend for publication, and to subscribe to Wing Master. I already buy it every month. Beside if the Items of Wing Master are related and dicted by the advertisers ... Cheers, Richard Caudron > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Bob Pearson > Sent: vrijdag 15 januari 1999 18:02 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restoration > > > > Brad boasts about his breaking the rules . . . > > I took some pictures of it at the OTF convention in '96 > > but as I did not have a flash they are terribly blurry. It was wedged > tight > > into a corner and several large aircraft were shoe-horned on either side > of > > it so photography was not easy. The cockpit interior was visible and > seemed > > to be fairly intact right down to the black leather upholstery on the > > pilots seat and the black wrapping around the control wheel. If > anyone is > > interested I could snail-mail them to Legs Pearson or anyone else with a > > scanner for posting. In fact Bob may even have copies. Bob? > > I have copies of these photos and can send them to anyone > interested . .. . > hmm .. maybe a Felixstowe page is also in order . .. Nah., I'll do a book > instead. (I have 50+ Felixstowe photos so far and am still searching for > others) > > Regards, > Bob Pearson > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1390 **********************