WWI Digest 1389 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Le nouveau garcon by Yves Buffetaut 2) Re: Ebay by Dave Sterner 3) Re: Felixstowe in restauration by thayer@sirius.com (thayer syme) 4) Re: Felixstowe in restoration by mkendix 5) Re: Felixstowe in restoration by Bob Pearson 6) broken wing by mkendix 7) RE: Felixstowe in restoration by "Denest, Michael J" 8) RE: Ebay by Dave Watts 9) Re: Felixstowe in restoration by "Brad Gossen" 10) Re: Felixstowe in restoration, now museum recollections by Dave Watts 11) Re: broken wing by Dennis Ugulano 12) Re: broken wing by "Sandy Adam" 13) Re: Felixstowe in restoration, now museum recollections by KarrArt@aol.com 14) Re: Felixstowe in restoration, now museum recollections by "Brad Gossen" 15) RE: Felixstowe in restoration, now museum recollections by Shane Weier 16) Re: Ebay by Zulis@aol.com 17) Re: broken wing by Rick Milas 18) Re: Felixstowe in restoration, now museum recollections by "Sandy Adam" 19) The Skull Collection by Shane Weier 20) RE: Wing Masters by Shane Weier 21) Ebay - WORLD WAR ONE AVIATION PRINT GUYNEMER (http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBa by "John C Glaser" 22) RE: Felixstowe in restoration by Shane Weier 23) Re: The Skull Collection by "David Vosburgh" 24) Re: broken wing by "Steven M. Perry" 25) Re: The Skull Collection by KarrArt@aol.com 26) Re: The Skull Collection by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 27) Re: The Skull Collection by "Steven M. Perry" 28) Schneider by Pedro e Francisca Soares 29) RE: The Skull Collection by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:05:21 +0200 From: Yves Buffetaut To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Le nouveau garcon Message-ID: <369F754D.3F78@club-internet.fr> Dear Sandy, Let me know if you come to France. I live exactly at Louviers, 12 miles from Evreux. The only thing connected with WW1 aviation in this region is a small château where Guynemer lived when he was a child. Yves ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:05:36 -0800 From: Dave Sterner To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ebay Message-ID: <369F8370.51DD6BDF@mediaone.net> Me too....my ebay name is davekim. So far my on-topic purchases include the two National Air & Space museum prints of "U.10" and "Stroop" with pieces of original fabric attached and a Hasegawa Dr.I. It's a dangerous site, Kim (the other half of my name) got a little tipsy on night and paid $80.00 for one of those Furby toys that now spends all of it's time asleep on a shelf..... Dave Sterner Dave Watts wrote: > Here's how I have it, (in alphabetical order), 27 so far, anyone else? > > aew = Allan Wright > amadonRI = Gerry McOsker > asilid = Eric Fisher > Biggles = Brad Gossen > braille_scale_modeler = Paul A. Schwartzkopf > cam27 = Cameron Riley > cduckworth = Charles Duckworth > dicianna@dnc.net = Mike Dicianna > eatons@onr.com = Richard Eaton > fighter2 = Shane Weier > fokker = David Watts > furzball = David Laws > graham3 = Graham Nash > hagerupk = K. Hagerup > JastaElf = Sharon Henderson > jberlien = Jack Berlien > lejeune = Fernando Lamas > Lothar = John Glaser > MACFARB = MacFarb > Macsporran = Sandy Adam > modelhound = Mike Franklin > Moritz1 = David Layton > Nieuport29 = Mike Fletcher > phoward@abilene.com = P. Howard > Viper32 = Rob Woodbury > Vulture2 = Dave Zulis > winks147 = Kevin Wenker > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:21:31 -0800 From: thayer@sirius.com (thayer syme) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restauration Message-ID: >Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:23:24 +0100 >From: "Richard Caudron" >Does any Felixstowe still exist ? >I am builing the Aeroclub one on 1/72, and miss documentation on it. But I >took some pictures from the 1/48 shown at the UK national convention last >year. >Cheers, >Richard Caudron At Silver Hill NASM has an F5 fuselage half unplanked. They have no plans to restore it. frankly, it is worth a lot of time and film enjoying the craftsmanship of a time gone by. The planes were apparently built by furniture makers and it shows. Unfortunately, all I have of it is a b+w stereo view from about the 11O-Clock position. I wish I had shot a lot more. Thayer -- Thayer Syme San Francisco Model Aviation Homepage http://www.sirius.com/~thayer/modelhp.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:14:57 -0500 (EST) From: mkendix To: Bob Pearson Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restoration Message-ID: Bob: Why is this breaking the rules? Is photography forbidden at this museum? Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Bob Pearson wrote: > > Brad boasts about his breaking the rules . . . > > I took some pictures of it at the OTF convention in '96 > > but as I did not have a flash they are terribly blurry. It was wedged > tight > > into a corner and several large aircraft were shoe-horned on either side > of > > it so photography was not easy. The cockpit interior was visible and > seemed > > to be fairly intact right down to the black leather upholstery on the > > pilots seat and the black wrapping around the control wheel. If anyone is > > interested I could snail-mail them to Legs Pearson or anyone else with a > > scanner for posting. In fact Bob may even have copies. Bob? > > I have copies of these photos and can send them to anyone interested . .. . > hmm .. maybe a Felixstowe page is also in order . .. Nah., I'll do a book > instead. (I have 50+ Felixstowe photos so far and am still searching for > others) > > Regards, > Bob Pearson > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:29:26 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restoration Message-ID: <199901151829.KAA29299@spare.rapidnet.net> Only if you go outside of bounds .. everything is roped off and you are hustled quickly from one spot to another. . all in all I was far more impressed with the NAM in Ottawa or the Champlin Fighter museum in Mesa.. both allowed us access to the aircraft (not to climb in, but up close so we could peer inside) .. in fact NAM catered our dinner in the middle of their hangar, and we got to spend a couple hours in their building shed. Garber made us feel as if we were intruding on their private domain and they couldn't be rid of us fast enough. By us I mean the League of WW! Aviation Historians (OTF) during our gathering every two years. . next up is Pensacola Bob ---------- > From: mkendix > To: Bob Pearson > Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restoration > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:14:57 -0500 (EST) > > Bob: > > Why is this breaking the rules? Is photography forbidden at this museum? > > Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:39:03 -0500 (EST) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: broken wing Message-ID: I have an old Revell, SE5a 1/72nd kit whose trailing edge of its lower wing has sort of crumbled off - perhaps I've lost 1/16 of an inch on part of the trailing edge. Can anyone suggest a good fix? Will putty help (red or white)? Please don't tell me I have to do anything involving heat/boiling water etc. Thanks in advance for your help. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:04:16 -0500 From: "Denest, Michael J" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Felixstowe in restoration Message-ID: <31E6187EA8D0D111ACFE00805FE643DC01330712@xch-phl-06.he.boeing.com> Pensacola is an excellent place. I was able to walk up to their Nieuport 28, look inside, sniff (yup, it's a Nieuport ) and study it really close. This goes for all their aircraft. Mike > ---------- > From: Bob Pearson[SMTP:bpearson@kaien.com] > Sent: Friday, January 15, 1999 1:39 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restoration > > > By us I mean the League of WW! Aviation Historians (OTF) during our > gathering every two years. . next up is Pensacola > > Bob > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:12:31 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Ebay Message-ID: <199901151921.OAA00957@sam.on-net.net> Here's how I have it, (in alphabetical order), 29 so far, anyone else? aew = Allan Wright amadonRI = Gerry McOsker asilid = Eric Fisher Biggles = Brad Gossen braille_scale_modeler = Paul A. Schwartzkopf cam27 = Cameron Riley cduckworth = Charles Duckworth davekim = Dave Sterner dicianna@dnc.net = Mike Dicianna eatons@onr.com = Richard Eaton fighter2 = Shane Weier fokker = David Watts furzball = David Laws graham3 = Graham Nash hagerupk = K. Hagerup ipms4450 = Russ Niles JastaElf = Sharon Henderson jberlien = Jack Berlien lejeune = Fernando Lamas Lothar = John Glaser MACFARB = MacFarb Macsporran = Sandy Adam modelhound = Mike Franklin Moritz1 = David Layton Nieuport29 = Mike Fletcher phoward@abilene.com = P. Howard Viper32 = Rob Woodbury Vulture2 = Dave Zulis winks147 = Kevin Wenker The only real benefit that I can see from us knowing each other would be if we informed the above list, (and this could be done off list), of what you're preparing to bid as your high bid on something, before you bid, then if someone else replies they were going to bid higher, he passes the information along, therefore eliminating inter group bidding. The one catch is that this would have to work on the trust system, although it could somewhat be policed by checking on the item to see if the bid is raised by outside bidders, and our group bidder's bid followed up to the amount he said he was going to bid. Just a thought. I'm fine with the standard auction the way it is, but if others would like to try the group process, let me know. Best to all, Dave Watts ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:49:42 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restoration Message-ID: <199901151951.OAA02707@smtp2.globalserve.net> Not to mention the gargantuan Curtiss NC flying boat that dwarfs even the mighty Felixstowe! It's like looking at HMS Victory only the Curtiss seems to have more fabric area and rigging. Brad ---------- > From: Denest, Michael J > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Felixstowe in restoration > Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 2:04 PM > > Pensacola is an excellent place. I was able to walk up to their Nieuport > 28, look inside, sniff (yup, it's a Nieuport ) and study it really close. > This goes for all their aircraft. > Mike > > > ---------- > > From: Bob Pearson[SMTP:bpearson@kaien.com] > > Sent: Friday, January 15, 1999 1:39 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restoration > > > > > > > > By us I mean the League of WW! Aviation Historians (OTF) during our > > gathering every two years. . next up is Pensacola > > > > Bob > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:14:32 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restoration, now museum recollections Message-ID: <199901152023.PAA03653@sam.on-net.net> Three quick recalls triggered by the museum mention; 1. I recall an appointment I had with Carl Schnide at Silver Hill to inspect the Pfalz D.XII, when they had just received it back from loan with the EAA museum, and how upset he was with the treatment it had gotten while there. Of course later Schnide was caught in a FBI sting selling Smithsonian aviation property to private individuals! 2. Seeing the unrestored WWI aircraft at the Krakow museum, stacked, one on top of the other, amazing! 3. The discussion with the director of the Deutches museum in Munich of the "political correctness" of not having machine guns on their WWI aircraft or swastikas on the WWII aircraft, now corrected. 4. The Ford museum in Dearborn, accidently selling the original spare motor of the Wright brothers for their 1st Wright flyer. Anyone else, have any similar recalls? Best, Dave Watts >Only if you go outside of bounds .. everything is roped off and you are >hustled quickly from one spot to another. . all in all I was far more >impressed with the NAM in Ottawa or the Champlin Fighter museum in Mesa.. >both allowed us access to the aircraft (not to climb in, but up close so we >could peer inside) .. in fact NAM catered our dinner in the middle of their >hangar, and we got to spend a couple hours in their building shed. Garber >made us feel as if we were intruding on their private domain and they >couldn't be rid of us fast enough. > >By us I mean the League of WW! Aviation Historians (OTF) during our >gathering every two years. . next up is Pensacola > >Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:27:11 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: broken wing Message-ID: <199901151527_MC2-66CF-D66E@compuserve.com> Dennis here, I have an excellent "fix." Send me a snail mail address and I will mail you a new one. Sure beats putty. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:51:07 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: broken wing Message-ID: <199901152049.UAA01060@beryl.sol.co.uk> > I have an old Revell, SE5a 1/72nd kit whose trailing edge of its lower > wing has sort of crumbled off Get a tin of Baking Soda powder. Put some in a flat tin. Apply a line of CA glue to the trailing edge of wing. Dip the wing TE in the powder. A residue of hard, carveable and sandable material will grow on the TE. Reapply CA anbd continue until you have enough material then sand or carve off excess. I've never used this for TE of a wing but - all the time, for things like propellor blades. Its not my original idea - I got it from John Adams of Aeroclub. Works a treat. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:52:37 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restoration, now museum recollections Message-ID: <33f94e1c.369faa95@aol.com> In a message dated 1/15/99 12:24:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, davew@wattstrainshop.com writes: << Three quick recalls triggered by the museum mention; 1. I recall an appointment I had with Carl Schnide at Silver Hill to inspect the Pfalz D.XII,........ 2. Seeing the unrestored WWI aircraft at the Krakow museum, stacked, one on top of the other, amazing! 3. The discussion with the director of the Deutches museum in Munich ............ 4. The Ford museum in Dearborn, accidently selling the original spare motor of the Wright brothers for their 1st Wright flyer. Anyone else, have any similar recalls? Best, Dave Watts>> While visiting the old Tallmantz museum one day in the mid 60's, Frank Tallman decides to take his Curtiss Pusher out for a spin. Watching him dip and dive was pretty exciting to a 12 year old.(try something like this now at John Wayne Airport!) Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:12:56 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restoration, now museum recollections Message-ID: <199901152119.QAA01407@mail5.globalserve.net> Dave wrote: Anyone else, have any similar recalls? In '94 Legs Pearson and myself were on a tour of the NAM's restoration and storage facility. We had just seen a room full of Pups, 504s, Nieuport 12s, Be2s, etc... and we were wandering through the stacks of fuselages admiring, among other things, the iron bathtub crew compartment of the Junkers J1. I turned around and there standing against the wall (here's where I go off topic. No more WW1 content beyond this point!) were the wings of an AVRO Arrow which all Canadians had been led to believe had been destroyed without a trace. All the literature, and there's plenty believe me, states that only the forward fuselage and left gear from the last production model was all that remained. Since this aircraft was mostly wing it was like discovering 1/3 of the aircraft. If your not Canadian let me try to put this in perspective. If your Australian it would be like finding a large chunk of the Southern Cross (a piece of the true cross if you will) preserved in a barn in the outback. Or if your an American it might be like finding Earharts Lockheed standing intact in some forgotten secret hangar of Mr. Hughes'. A guide who was nearby intimated that there were more bits out there which may yet turn up. There has been for years a legend in Canadian Aviation that on the night of their destruction loyal AVRO employees flew one out in the wee hours to escape the bulldozers of February 20 1959 also known as Black Friday. Many believe that this scrapping crippled the Canadian Aerospace Industry for all time. Thus these wings evidence the possibility that perhaps one did indeed escape and that it may yet rise phoenix-like in the lobby of the NAM. Sorry for the off topic recall. I have no particular love for stove pipes but this story always gets to me. Besides it's Dave's fault! Brad ---------- > From: Dave Watts > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restoration, now museum recollections > Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 3:23 PM > > Three quick recalls triggered by the museum mention; > > 1. I recall an appointment I had with Carl Schnide at Silver Hill to > inspect the Pfalz D.XII, when they had just received it back from loan with > the EAA museum, and how upset he was with the treatment it had gotten while > there. Of course later Schnide was caught in a FBI sting selling > Smithsonian aviation property to private individuals! > > 2. Seeing the unrestored WWI aircraft at the Krakow museum, stacked, one on > top of the other, amazing! > > 3. The discussion with the director of the Deutches museum in Munich of the > "political correctness" of not having machine guns on their WWI aircraft or > swastikas on the WWII aircraft, now corrected. > > 4. The Ford museum in Dearborn, accidently selling the original spare motor > of the Wright brothers for their 1st Wright flyer. > > Anyone else, have any similar recalls? > > Best, > Dave Watts > > >Only if you go outside of bounds .. everything is roped off and you are > >hustled quickly from one spot to another. . all in all I was far more > >impressed with the NAM in Ottawa or the Champlin Fighter museum in Mesa.. > >both allowed us access to the aircraft (not to climb in, but up close so we > >could peer inside) .. in fact NAM catered our dinner in the middle of their > >hangar, and we got to spend a couple hours in their building shed. Garber > >made us feel as if we were intruding on their private domain and they > >couldn't be rid of us fast enough. > > > >By us I mean the League of WW! Aviation Historians (OTF) during our > >gathering every two years. . next up is Pensacola > > > >Bob > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 07:32:13 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Felixstowe in restoration, now museum recollections Message-ID: Brad, > If your > Australian it would be like finding a large chunk of the > Southern Cross (a piece of the true cross if you will) preserved in a barn in > the outback. An interesting analogy, only slightly ruined by the presence of 100% of Southern Cross in a climate controlled hangar less than 3 miles from my home where I sit writing this ! But I do understand what you mean. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:33:22 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ebay Message-ID: <27f2650f.369fb422@aol.com> In a message dated 1/15/99 2:22:37PM, Dave W wrote: << I'm fine with the standard auction the way it is, but if others would like to try the group process, let me know. Best to all, Dave Watts >> If you are taking a bit of a survey on this issue, I would rather not get into some sort of a formal arrangment as you described. I just would like to know if it ia a friend bidding on a given item so I can ask myself if I really want this or if I am willing to let it go. Thank you for collecting all the names - a great idea! Dave Zulis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:44:08 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Milas To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: broken wing Message-ID: Sandy, I don't have a broken wing or anything at the time that needs a fix, but I like your CA and baking soda suggestion. I'll try it the next time I need to add something to a propeller blade or whatever. I love this list. Rick Milas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:58:17 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restoration, now museum recollections Message-ID: <199901152154.VAA02631@beryl.sol.co.uk> > Anyone else, have any similar recalls? Well I think I mentioned the recent one of digging around in the East Fortune storage sheds and finding Noth's Albatros D.III seat (from which the curator gave me some strands of horse hair). Then pulling out an SE5a seat and a Camel control column. I sat in each and thought that quite memorable - remember these are originals, not replicas, that fighting men actually parked their bums in! I must go back soon, there are about twenty sheds (old WWII huts) full of bits and pieces - I saw some Sopwith Cuckoo ailerons on a shelf in one of them. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 08:14:57 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: The Skull Collection Message-ID: Diego makes an interesting suggestion: > It seems that the skull motif appears quite frequently in > fuselage sides -in fact beyond nationalities and troughout > all wars- and setting aside all psychological interpretations it would > interesting to have a collection with many WW1 aircraft with boneheads: > Monnington/Brumowsky/that unidentified DV/Nungesser/etc. I > can't remember more but I'm sure that there are lots. > It even could make a hairraising datafile special! This one really *would* make an interesting theme for a small collection. After I read Diegos comment I started to wonder whether I could add to his list, but though I'm sure I've seen many, I could only recall a short list Can anyone add to this list Julius Arigi Godwin Brumowski Monnington Charles Nungessor Unidenified D.V on p31 of the Sqn Signal Albatros Fighters D.III 1617/17 on p14 of the Albatros D.III datafile D.II 1782/16 on back cover of the Albatros D.II datafile Phonix D.I 328:26 p33 of the datafile Georg von Hantelmann Jasta 15 Fokker D.VII, Albatros D.V and SSW D.III Gotha G.III 385/16 (skull covers nose) Entire Russian 19 Squadron with skull & crossbone tails Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 08:41:04 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Wing Masters Message-ID: Yves > yet the Messerchmitt Bf (snip), (oh no, I've said it !) but with at least Aaaaargggh.....BURN HIM, BURN HIM Shane (who has nightmares about legions of teutonophile modellers searching for that particular group og numbers and, seeing it on the archive, subscribing to our forum to talk about the horrid things ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:46:04 -0600 From: "John C Glaser" To: "WW1 Mail List" Subject: Ebay - WORLD WAR ONE AVIATION PRINT GUYNEMER (http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBa Message-ID: <000c01be40d8$d5355b70$f011820a@johng-home> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BE40A6.8A9AEB70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For the Nieuport-philes on the list. Looks like it could be a bargain but only 40 minutes left. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=55058318 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BE40A6.8A9AEB70 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="04 PST) - WORLD WAR ONE AVIATION PRINT GUYNEMER.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="04 PST) - WORLD WAR ONE AVIATION PRINT GUYNEMER.url" [InternetShortcut] URL=http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=55058318 Modified=50B0FD82D840BE0156 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BE40A6.8A9AEB70-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 08:49:57 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Felixstowe in restoration Message-ID: John, > Things should get better when they move to the new NASM > annex in mid-2000 > (IIRC). The new facility will be at Dulles airport. > > NASM offers guided tours of Garber. You need > reservations in advance. > When I was there, the on-topic restoration of the Ni 28 was > underway. Kind > of neat. Although you can't touch, you can walk right up and > stick your head in - something you won't do at the new facility when it > will all be behind glass. > FWIW the Australian War Memorial built a new Restoration and Storage facility called the Treloar Centre some years ago which sounds just like the new NASM facility. It has controlled atmosphere, and the public is kept to a glassed mezzanine walkway. BUT.... if you ask very nicely in advance, public tours are still taken through the interior *though* they are kept to roped off walkways UNLESS they really beg, plead and show credentials (I used C&CI and ASWW1AH membership cards) in which case closer access for photography and research is possible. I'm sure that NASM will not do less - you will just need to figure out what credentials will be enough! Shane (I cannot give too much praise to the AWM staff who provided ladders, took notes, made tea, found documentation and generally treated me like a genuine visiting researcher, not as a kid with a Biggles fixation) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:52:36 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: The Skull Collection Message-ID: <005a01be40d9$bf3d5060$11d690d0@Pvosburg> I recall seeing an F.E.8, I believe, with a big, goofy skull emblazoned on the nose, and there was also the redoubtable Carl Parks' D.H.1A (how come he's not on the list?) from FSM two years ago. DV -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 6:38 PM Subject: The Skull Collection >Diego makes an interesting suggestion: > > >> It seems that the skull motif appears quite frequently in >> fuselage sides -in fact beyond nationalities and troughout >> all wars- and setting aside all psychological interpretations it would >> interesting to have a collection with many WW1 aircraft with boneheads: >> Monnington/Brumowsky/that unidentified DV/Nungesser/etc. I >> can't remember more but I'm sure that there are lots. >> It even could make a hairraising datafile special! > >This one really *would* make an interesting theme for a small collection. >After I read Diegos comment I started to wonder whether I could add to his >list, but though I'm sure I've seen many, I could only recall a short list > >Can anyone add to this list > >Julius Arigi >Godwin Brumowski >Monnington >Charles Nungessor >Unidenified D.V on p31 of the Sqn Signal Albatros Fighters >D.III 1617/17 on p14 of the Albatros D.III datafile >D.II 1782/16 on back cover of the Albatros D.II datafile >Phonix D.I 328:26 p33 of the datafile >Georg von Hantelmann Jasta 15 Fokker D.VII, Albatros D.V and SSW D.III >Gotha G.III 385/16 (skull covers nose) >Entire Russian 19 Squadron with skull & crossbone tails > >Shane > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:49:35 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: broken wing Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990115174935.009eb8e4@pop.mindspring.com> At 04:43 PM 1/15/99 -0500, you wrote: >Sandy, >I don't have a broken wing or anything at the time that needs a fix, but I >like your CA and baking soda suggestion. I'll try it the next time I need >to add something to a propeller blade or whatever. I love this list. >Rick Milas > Nice idea I'm sure the opportunity will arise to apply it. I bet you can get a razor sharp TE. I've used CA and baking soda to build up a hard mass inside a vac shell suitable for drilling into. Thanks for the tip sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:56:43 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Skull Collection Message-ID: <183463f.369fc7ab@aol.com> In a message dated 1/15/99 2:15:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Can anyone add to this list Julius Arigi Godwin Brumowski Monnington Charles Nungessor Unidenified D.V on p31 of the Sqn Signal Albatros Fighters D.III 1617/17 on p14 of the Albatros D.III datafile D.II 1782/16 on back cover of the Albatros D.II datafile Phonix D.I 328:26 p33 of the datafile Georg von Hantelmann Jasta 15 Fokker D.VII, Albatros D.V and SSW D.III Gotha G.III 385/16 (skull covers nose) Entire Russian 19 Squadron with skull & crossbone tails Shane >> The inside back cover of C&C v10 #2 Summer 69 was devoted to boney planes- among them were- Vffz.Raetsch Roland D II Jasta32- s&k on spinner Pysell and Busch' LVG C V ofFl Abt 212- skull on fuselage side a Belgian Farman- on nacelle nose Re-8 in Palastine- a small s&k on nose side Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:11:17 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Skull Collection Message-ID: <19990115.171200.-882175.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:14:18 -0500 (EST) Shane Weier writes: >Can anyone add to this list Greg VanWyngarden did an article of "skullduggery" in OtF Vol 10 No 2: Rumpler C.I Albatros D.II 1782/16 Albatros D.III SPAD 7 of Andre Herbelin Albatros D.Va Albatros D.V or D.Va of Jasta 9 Liberty DH4 of US 168th SSW D.III 8356/17, flown by "Lange" There might be another article by Greg VW on the same subject somewhere else, but I can't for the life of me remember. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:06:09 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The Skull Collection Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990115180609.009ec68c@pop.mindspring.com> Nobody is likely to complete the collection single handed, but as a group...Who knows? Ok, who has any of these planes built? Kits/decal sheets? I have Bromowski's (sp?). Can we put together the set? If so, maybe Allan could add photos to the web page under a special heading. Any interest in such a group project? sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:28:45 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: WW1 modeling list Subject: Schneider Message-ID: <369FC11B.BEF6182@mail.telepac.pt> Hi Guys and Girls, Can anyone out there confirm that the cabane struts on the Sop Schneider (and on the Baby, for that matter) were set at the same angle as the Interplane struts? TIA Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:31:03 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: The Skull Collection Message-ID: RK writes: > Re-8 in Palastine- a small s&k on nose side Good grief, an RFC one. I *bet* that got them flogged with a wet feather duster Shane ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1389 **********************