WWI Digest 1388 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Mk.IV by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 2) Re: Felixstowe in restoration by "Brad Gossen" 3) Me? who? Me? by "Diego Fernetti" 4) Yves Sopwith Triplane by "Gerald P. McOsker" 5) W29 Grey by Dennis Ugulano 6) Re: Ebay by r_niles@juno.com (Russell W Niles) 7) RE: TC Resins 1/48 Felixstowe by "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" 8) RE: Sopwith Triplanes by "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" 9) Re: RE: Sopwith Triplanes by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 10) RE: Sopwith Triplanes by "Michael Kendix" 11) Re: Sopwith Triplanes by "Sandy Adam" 12) Re: Mk.IV by Bill Bacon 13) Re: Mk.IV by Bill Bacon 14) RE: Photos by "Diego Fernetti" 15) Re: Mk.IV by "Sandy Adam" 16) Re: Mk.IV by Bill Bacon 17) Re: Wing Masters by "Tom Werner Hansen" 18) Re: Felixstowe in restoration by mkendix 19) Re: Felixstowe in restoration by "Steven M. Perry" 20) Re: Felixstowe in restoration by mkendix 21) Re: Felixstowe in restoration by "Steven M. Perry" 22) Re: Felixstowe in restoration by Bob Pearson 23) Good bye for a while by "Diego Fernetti" 24) Re: Mk.IV by Yves Buffetaut 25) Re: Wing Masters by Yves Buffetaut 26) RE: Felixstowe in restoration by "John C Glaser" 27) Re: Le nouveau garcon by "Sandy Adam" 28) Re: Felixstowe in restoration by "Brad Gossen" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 06:47:37 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Mk.IV Message-ID: <19990115.064803.-755495.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:17:15 -0500 (EST) Shane Weier writes: >> nb: *NOT* the MoS Type I. Woo hoo!! Off-Topic > >Off topic? Boo Boo! Ah, but at least *not* one of those Bf... thingies! ;-) Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:52:12 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restoration Message-ID: <199901151254.HAA13756@smtp2.globalserve.net> Richard Lurking in a dark corner of a hangar at NASM's Silver Hill storage facility in Maryland, you will find the shabby hull of a sadly neglected Felixstowe F5 or as the Yanks are calling it (and probably rightly so) a Curtiss F5L. I recall reading once that this machine was built in Toronto (hence my preference for Felixstowe) for a US Navy order. The skin around the cockpit is missing and the hull surface that is visible is painted a battleship grey. I took some pictures of it at the OTF convention in '96 but as I did not have a flash they are terribly blurry. It was wedged tight into a corner and several large aircraft were shoe-horned on either side of it so photography was not easy. The cockpit interior was visible and seemed to be fairly intact right down to the black leather upholstery on the pilots seat and the black wrapping around the control wheel. If anyone is interested I could snail-mail them to Legs Pearson or anyone else with a scanner for posting. In fact Bob may even have copies. Bob? Brad ---------- > From: Richard Caudron > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Felixstowe in restauration > Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 4:24 AM > > Does any Felixstowe still exist ? > I am builing the Aeroclub one on 1/72, and miss documentation on it. But I > took some pictures from the 1/48 shown at the UK national convention last > year. > Cheers, > Richard Caudron > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > > David Vosburgh > > Sent: donderdag 14 januari 1999 15:58 > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: TC Resins 1/48 Felixstowe > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David R.L. Laws > > Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 2:47 AM > > Subject: Re: TC Resins 1/48 Felixstowe > > > > > > >Speaking of beautiful - Now, is anyone up for a Southhampton ? - > > >Glorious hull form and some pretty good photos available after the > > >recent restoration too > > > > > >david > > >>>> > > And a Singapore, and a Blackburn Iris, and all the Saros, and... > > > > Dave V. > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:03:54 -0200 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Me? who? Me? Message-ID: <001c01be407f$238203a0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> >Diego, >It's a joke, and yet not a joke. Because of the absolutely endless reams of >information and numberless adoring fans of that particular aircraft a fair >proportion of the list would prefer it not be mentioned at all. We fear it'd >lead to a long off topic thread on something we can be bored to tears about >in any model shop, model club, military bookshop, or modelling magazine >without infecting this forum as well. >But it's mostly a joke...... > Shane, Ohh... I see. Well, I'll keep my mouth shut. Promess I'll behave. By the way, It seems that the skull motif appears quite frequently in fuselage sides -in fact beyond nationalities and troughout all wars- and setting aside all psychological interpretations it would interesting to have a collection with many WW1 aircraft with boneheads: Monnington/Brumowsky/that unidentified DV/Nungesser/etc. I can't remember more but I'm sure that there are lots. It even could make a hairraising datafile special! D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:26:58 -0500 From: "Gerald P. McOsker" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Yves Sopwith Triplane Message-ID: > Squire Laws relates to Yves- > Is access to your association's site restricted ? Tried the usual tricks > and was only able to access Peggy ( wonderfully clear photograph BTW ) Hmmm- is it Peggy or Beccy?????? Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:44:43 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: W29 Grey Message-ID: <199901150845_MC2-66BE-5FCE@compuserve.com> Everyone, After trying for days to mix Methuen 19C2 for my TOKO W29 and failing, I went over to Hobbytown yesterday. Sitting on the floor in front of the paint rack, looking at every gray on the face of the planet, or at least at the hobby shop, I chose Floquil Military Color "Israeli Gray 303347" as being the closest match. Last night that bottle of paint met almost 1/2 a bottle of Pactra Violet U19. After mixing the stuffings out of it, the results are very pleasing. The gray matches the 19C2 very closely and there is the slightest tint of violet. I purchased a paint program yesterday and if all goes well, I should have some pictures on line before long. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:56:50 EST From: r_niles@juno.com (Russell W Niles) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ebay Message-ID: <19990115.055703.2223.2.r_niles@juno.com> On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:32:11 -0500 (EST) MACFARB@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 99-01-13 15:38:16 EST, you write: > ><< would it be possible for anyone on ebay to > post their respective ebay names? >> >MACFARB > Russ Niles = ipms4450 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:24:57 -0700 From: "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: TC Resins 1/48 Felixstowe Message-ID: <5DA4C4BE65D9D111A6FC0060081FD2189E7158@SNEFFELS> Hey there! I know it's off topic, but I have a couple of those large resin ship too, and they don't seem to have nearly the warping problem thinner aircraft parts can have. So as the great Douglas Adams says: "Don't Panic!" Michael -----Original Message----- From: D. Anderson [mailto:2814823733@home.com] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 1999 11:08 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: TC Resins 1/48 Felixstowe At 10:17 PM 14/01/99 -0500, you wrote: >Dane, >> >> You guys are scaring the pants off of me. I just ordered a >> 1/350 off-topic >> heavy cruiser, and it's all resin. Oh no! >> > >..don't worry, only the wings will sag :-) No problem; it's a '44 cruiser, and the skippers had long since stopped shipping floatplanes by then ;) Dane >Shane >(who has some resin kits, but fighter size with dinky little wings ) > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:31:16 -0700 From: "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: <5DA4C4BE65D9D111A6FC0060081FD2189E7159@SNEFFELS> First off, thanks to all for the responses. Little did I know what I was getting myself into! As far as the vac-form goes, I realized last night that if I did it, I wouldn't be able to enter it in the "biplanes" category of our upcoming Region X regional here in Colorado Springs in June (which is where I want it to be for various purposes). For one reason, it's a vac-form and thus will go in the Vacu-Form category. For another reason, finish a 1/32 vac Triplane by June? Pu-leasssssse! So I guess (sigh), I'll just have to do the Eduard kit. Oh well. At the risk of starting another avalanche, what do you all think about that kit? I'd kind of like to try PC 12 on it but I don't know if I could stand to use Brick Red (as someone once suggested). That seems just a little too red for my taste on an RNAS machine. Anyone agree, or am I way out there? Thanks again, this is fun! Hi ho! Michael -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Ugulano [mailto:Uggies@compuserve.com] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 1999 6:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Sopwith Triplanes Hi Michael, Glad to have you with us. (Shocked gasp) Your first WW1 will be 1/32 vac? Do you have any vac experience? I suggest starting with the Eduard kit in the funny scale (1/48th ;-)) I do the little ones. I have been here about a month and the help you can get here will boggle your mind. Just throw out your question and hang on when your mail comes in. glad to have you with us Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:51:26 -0600 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: RE: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: Hi Michael, and welcome to the list. Your name sure rings a bell with me. I was out at the '92 regional in Colorado Springs (took first place in 1/72 biplanes with my Fokker E.III). Perhaps we met there? So when in June is your regional scheduled? I remember having a real good time there in '92! I am not familiar with the 1/32 Tripe, but the Eduards 1/48 Tripe is a pretty good kit, plus you could get it done in time for the contest. Has a few minor assembly quirks to it, but nothing serious. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:05:10 PST From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: <19990115150510.23350.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" > At the risk of starting another avalanche, what do you all think >about that kit? I'd kind of like to try PC 12 on it but I don't know if I >could stand to use Brick Red (as someone once suggested). That seems just a >little too red for my taste on an RNAS machine. Anyone agree, or am I way >out there? Thanks again, this is fun! Michael: Someone mentioned that "Box Car Red" was a good PC 12 colour (I think it's a Floquil paint). I bought some and am eager to use it. It is less bright than "Brick Red". I have an old Revell 1/72 SE5a kit that I plan to use it on. My Georgetown account's down, presumably due to the ice storm. Pepco hopes to have everyone's power on by Friday - pehpas they don't realize it's only Friday. Luckily, I'm at work, where we do have power. Not looking forward to going home though. Michael Kendix ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:12:00 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Sopwith Triplanes Message-ID: <199901151510.PAA20074@beryl.sol.co.uk> > At the risk of starting another avalanche, what do you all think > about that kit? I'd kind of like to try PC 12 on it but I don't know if I > could stand to use Brick Red (as someone once suggested). That seems just a > little too red for my taste on an RNAS machine. Anyone agree, or am I way > out there? Thanks again, this is fun! We touched on PC12 just a week or two back, Michael, and I suggested a reddish-brown which I favour nearer the brown tone. There is one colour in the Humbrol range which I find pleasing. I can't remember the number but I used it on my Dolphin on the web page Images section. You can see my effort at the Eduard Tripe there too if you are interested. http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Adam/ Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:27:38 -0600 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Mk.IV Message-ID: <369F5E6A.83313B86@netjava.net> Yves, My comments in my post to Matt were not refering to your translation. It was aimed at Matt in the Brits speak english too. No offense meant, just a part of the joking that goes on here. Cheers, Bill B. Yves Buffetaut wrote: > Dear Bill, > I made the translation myself, so it's not very surprising that the text > isn't exactly in proper English... > Yves ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:35:46 -0600 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Mk.IV Message-ID: <369F6052.F4697A4A@netjava.net> Sandy, Touche. (my computer will not add the accent) See, English vs American. As once said, "We are separated by a common language." Cheers, Bill B. Sandy Adam wrote: > > He does. Just click on tje Union Jack. They speak English too even if a > > bit different than what we speak. > > You mean - "than that which we speak" > Sandy > ("not to be persnickety, but.." ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:37:23 -0200 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "WW1 mailing list" Subject: RE: Photos Message-ID: <000901be4094$945b4720$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> ----Mensaje original----- De: Satin, Michael N. (SHEP) Para: 'Diego Fernetti' Fecha: Viernes 15 de Enero de 1999 12:41 PM Asunto: RE: Photos >Diego, >Yipes! I didn't mean to scare you! As I said, I'm definitely NOT the >copyright police. Just trying to look out for a fellow WWI crazy. > >I have the Osprey Sopwith Fighters book, if that's what you meant. I also >have a copy of the Windsock magazine with the Triplane reconstruction in it, >so I think I'm covered. But thanks again for the offer. I'm sure we'll see >each other (virtually) again soon! > >Michael > OK Michael! You'll like to take a look at the main page of http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/PWWIP.htm made by fellow listee Stephen Perry. As a matter of fact I have "Classic Aircraft of WW1" from Osprey, and it covers planes from the different countries. See (virtually) you later!. Regards D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:52:14 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Mk.IV Message-ID: <199901151550.PAA21807@beryl.sol.co.uk> > Touche. (my computer will not add the accent) See, English vs American. As > once said, "We are separated by a common language." Thanks, Bill, (for taking it in the spirit in which it was meant). Sometimes, after hitting the "send" key, with what I hope is a humourous reply, I think "Oh no, I hope they don't take that the wrong way!" Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:07:56 -0600 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Mk.IV Message-ID: <369F67DC.B9EEBEA8@netjava.net> Sandy, Are we not a jolly bunch? Just had alook at you model pics. Beautiful work. Cheers, Bill B. Sandy Adam wrote: > > Touche. (my computer will not add the accent) See, English vs American. > As > > once said, "We are separated by a common language." > > Thanks, Bill, (for taking it in the spirit in which it was meant). > Sometimes, after hitting the "send" key, with what I hope is a humourous > reply, I think "Oh no, I hope they don't take that the wrong way!" > Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 22:09:23 +0100 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Re: Wing Masters Message-ID: <199901151615.RAA09141@d1o211.telia.com> Greetings Yves. A hearty welcome to the list from a northern European member. Please fill the gaps in an unenlightened Norwegian's mind. Qu'est-ce que c'est le Wing Masters? Tom Werner Hansen Norvege ---------- > From: Yves Buffetaut > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Wing Masters > Date: 14. januar 1999 18:35 > > Dear Diego, > I write in every issue of Wing Masters since the beginning, but don't > try to find a lovely model done by myself. I write the big historical > articles, with 30 or 40 vintage photographs. One of them, in issue # 3 > if I remember correctly, was about the German Air Force in 1918. > If you want to pay your magazine at a correct price, why don't you > subscribe ? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:13:13 -0500 (EST) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restoration Message-ID: Brad: Do you mean Silver "Hill" or Silver "Spring". I live near to Silver Spring (3 miles) and would be enthusiastic about visting this facility. Can you provide more details. I could also take my camera along - with the flash attachment - and take photos. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Brad Gossen wrote: > Richard > > Lurking in a dark corner of a hangar at NASM's Silver Hill storage > facility in Maryland, you will find the shabby hull of a sadly neglected > Felixstowe F5 or as the Yanks are calling it (and probably rightly so) a > Curtiss F5L. I recall reading once that this machine was built in Toronto > (hence my preference for Felixstowe) for a US Navy order. The skin around > the cockpit is missing and the hull surface that is visible is painted a > battleship grey. I took some pictures of it at the OTF convention in '96 > but as I did not have a flash they are terribly blurry. It was wedged tight > into a corner and several large aircraft were shoe-horned on either side of > it so photography was not easy. The cockpit interior was visible and seemed > to be fairly intact right down to the black leather upholstery on the > pilots seat and the black wrapping around the control wheel. If anyone is > interested I could snail-mail them to Legs Pearson or anyone else with a > scanner for posting. In fact Bob may even have copies. Bob? > > Brad > > ---------- > > From: Richard Caudron > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Felixstowe in restauration > > Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 4:24 AM > > > > Does any Felixstowe still exist ? > > I am builing the Aeroclub one on 1/72, and miss documentation on it. But > I > > took some pictures from the 1/48 shown at the UK national convention last > > year. > > Cheers, > > Richard Caudron > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > > > David Vosburgh > > > Sent: donderdag 14 januari 1999 15:58 > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Subject: Re: TC Resins 1/48 Felixstowe > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: David R.L. Laws > > > Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 2:47 AM > > > Subject: Re: TC Resins 1/48 Felixstowe > > > > > > > > > >Speaking of beautiful - Now, is anyone up for a Southhampton ? - > > > >Glorious hull form and some pretty good photos available after the > > > >recent restoration too > > > > > > > >david > > > >>>> > > > And a Singapore, and a Blackburn Iris, and all the Saros, and... > > > > > > Dave V. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:30:35 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restoration Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990115113035.00690d3c@pop.mindspring.com> At 11:20 AM 1/15/99 -0500, you wrote: >Brad: > >Do you mean Silver "Hill" or Silver "Spring". I live near to Silver >Spring (3 miles) and would be enthusiastic about visting this facility. >Can you provide more details. I could also take my camera along - with >the flash attachment - and take photos. > >Michael Michael: A friend visited the Garber Facility last summer and got a photo of the hull being worked on. If you get the chance, do get some photos. I have the photos he took scanned, they aren't much, but if anyone wants a copy give me a holler off list sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:27:55 -0500 (EST) From: mkendix To: "Steven M. Perry" Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restoration Message-ID: Steve: I need to know the address of this facility, or at least some more clues as to its location. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Steven M. Perry wrote: > At 11:20 AM 1/15/99 -0500, you wrote: > >Brad: > > > >Do you mean Silver "Hill" or Silver "Spring". I live near to Silver > >Spring (3 miles) and would be enthusiastic about visting this facility. > >Can you provide more details. I could also take my camera along - with > >the flash attachment - and take photos. > > > >Michael > > Michael: > A friend visited the Garber Facility last summer and got a photo of the > hull being worked on. If you get the chance, do get some photos. > > I have the photos he took scanned, they aren't much, but if anyone wants a > copy > give me a holler off list > sp > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:45:35 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restoration Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990115114535.00687b84@pop.mindspring.com> At 11:35 AM 1/15/99 -0500, you wrote: >Steve: > >I need to know the address of this facility, or at least some more clues >as to its location. > http://www.nasm.edu/NASMDOCS/GARBER/Garbermap.html The above URL should yield the address sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:51:09 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restoration Message-ID: <199901151651.IAA28598@spare.rapidnet.net> Brad boasts about his breaking the rules . . . I took some pictures of it at the OTF convention in '96 > but as I did not have a flash they are terribly blurry. It was wedged tight > into a corner and several large aircraft were shoe-horned on either side of > it so photography was not easy. The cockpit interior was visible and seemed > to be fairly intact right down to the black leather upholstery on the > pilots seat and the black wrapping around the control wheel. If anyone is > interested I could snail-mail them to Legs Pearson or anyone else with a > scanner for posting. In fact Bob may even have copies. Bob? I have copies of these photos and can send them to anyone interested . .. . hmm .. maybe a Felixstowe page is also in order . .. Nah., I'll do a book instead. (I have 50+ Felixstowe photos so far and am still searching for others) Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:23:52 -0200 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Good bye for a while Message-ID: <000e01be40a3$743aa580$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Dear members of the list: I'll take a few days out on a well deserved vacation trip. I'll be out of the list until february but I know that I'll miss the fun we share talking about one of our favorite obsessions. See you later. D. PS: During the vacations I'm planning to take a ride in a most interesting apparatus invented by Mr. Sikorsky. No, not the Illya Muromets, but an intriguing aircraft with non fixed wings, called the Gyrocopter or something like this. I'd better take with me my goggles and balaclava! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:26:37 +0200 From: Yves Buffetaut To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Mk.IV Message-ID: <369F6C3D.7A3C@club-internet.fr> Dear Bill, Don't worry about it, I didn't take offence at your comment. Yves ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:35:24 +0200 From: Yves Buffetaut To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Wing Masters Message-ID: <369F6E4B.625E@club-internet.fr> Dear Tom, Wingmasters is a French (despite its name) magazine about aeroplanes models. It's all in colour, with many articles on models themselves, not yet the Messerchmitt Bf 109, (oh no, I've said it !) but with at least two history articles, one of them being written by myself. But I'm not here to do some ad about this magazine, I'm here only 'cause I'm keen in WW1 aviation. Yves ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:46:37 -0600 From: "John C Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Felixstowe in restoration Message-ID: <000201be40af$001938e0$f011820a@johng-home> Michael: The actual name is the Paul E. Garber Restoration Facility. It is located in Silver Hill in PG county. IIRC, of MD route 450. I took my second tour of the facility last summer and saw the Felixstowe in question. Indeed, in pretty bad shape. There is also a Caudron rotting away. Things should get better when they move to the new NASM annex in mid-2000 (IIRC). The new facility will be at Dulles airport. NASM offers guided tours of Garber. You need reservations in advance. When I was there, the on-topic restoration of the Ni 28 was underway. Kind of neat. Although you can't touch, you can walk right up and stick your head in - something you won't do at the new facility when it will all be behind glass. So take the tour now. - John -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of mkendix Sent: Friday, January 15, 1999 10:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restoration Steve: I need to know the address of this facility, or at least some more clues as to its location. Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Steven M. Perry wrote: > At 11:20 AM 1/15/99 -0500, you wrote: > >Brad: > > > >Do you mean Silver "Hill" or Silver "Spring". I live near to Silver > >Spring (3 miles) and would be enthusiastic about visting this facility. > >Can you provide more details. I could also take my camera along - with > >the flash attachment - and take photos. > > > >Michael > > Michael: > A friend visited the Garber Facility last summer and got a photo of the > hull being worked on. If you get the chance, do get some photos. > > I have the photos he took scanned, they aren't much, but if anyone wants a > copy > give me a holler off list > sp > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:55:37 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Le nouveau garcon Message-ID: <199901151753.RAA26612@beryl.sol.co.uk> Cher Yves I know the area well and used to regularly vist friends in Evreux (Angerville-la-Campagne). I've even sung in a music festival (with the Leningrad Philharmonic as it then was) in the cathedral in Rouen! Hope we might meet at some stage. Sandy ---------- > From: Yves Buffetaut > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Le nouveau garcon > Date: 14 January 1999 09:47 > > Dear Sandy, > I live in Normandy, not very far from Rouen and 100 km from Paris. Nice > countryside, but not a lot of model shops. Anyway, I'm more interested > in the history of the planes than in the models, even if I was a big > model builder some years ago (I'm 41). I even sold models (mail order) > some 10 years ago, under the trade name of Mannock ! I used to buy > models in England (Hannant's and others) at wholesale price to sell them > in France. But what a lot of work to earn too little money ! I rather > like my job of writer and journalist, but I'm still moved when I see a > model. It reminds me when I was a child. I bought an Albatros DIII by > Revell on leaving school at midday and it was finished at 2 p.m. when I > went back to school on the same day ! > Yves ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:54:54 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restoration Message-ID: <199901151757.MAA27288@smtp2.globalserve.net> Michael The Paul Garber (He's the man who among other great feats acquired the Albatros DVa for the Museum) Facility in Silver Hill Maryland is the storage and restoration facility for the National Air and Space Museum. There are arranged tours of the facility. I don't recall if they are seasonal or not. The docents herd you from building to building and they'll only let you see in three or four hangars though there are many more. There is a great temptation to sneak away and look for more treasure. They are very knowledgeable about what they're coached on but if you happen to spot a Felixstowe (Curtiss) hiding in a dark corner you'll only be met with dumb looks (I have a docent friend who lurks, have at ya ,buddy!). By the way the serial on this 'boat' according to Mr. Rimell (look Bob, one 'm' !) is A3882. Sorry I don't have an address but I'm sure the folks on Independence Ave can probably steer you onto the correct heading. Brad ---------- > From: mkendix > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Felixstowe in restoration > Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 11:20 AM > > Brad: > > Do you mean Silver "Hill" or Silver "Spring". I live near to Silver > Spring (3 miles) and would be enthusiastic about visting this facility. > Can you provide more details. I could also take my camera along - with > the flash attachment - and take photos. > > Michael > > > mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu > > On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Brad Gossen wrote: > > > Richard > > > > Lurking in a dark corner of a hangar at NASM's Silver Hill storage > > facility in Maryland, you will find the shabby hull of a sadly neglected > > Felixstowe F5 or as the Yanks are calling it (and probably rightly so) a > > Curtiss F5L. I recall reading once that this machine was built in Toronto > > (hence my preference for Felixstowe) for a US Navy order. The skin around > > the cockpit is missing and the hull surface that is visible is painted a > > battleship grey. I took some pictures of it at the OTF convention in '96 > > but as I did not have a flash they are terribly blurry. It was wedged tight > > into a corner and several large aircraft were shoe-horned on either side of > > it so photography was not easy. The cockpit interior was visible and seemed > > to be fairly intact right down to the black leather upholstery on the > > pilots seat and the black wrapping around the control wheel. If anyone is > > interested I could snail-mail them to Legs Pearson or anyone else with a > > scanner for posting. In fact Bob may even have copies. Bob? > > > > Brad > > > > ---------- > > > From: Richard Caudron > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Subject: Felixstowe in restauration > > > Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 4:24 AM > > > > > > Does any Felixstowe still exist ? > > > I am builing the Aeroclub one on 1/72, and miss documentation on it. But > > I > > > took some pictures from the 1/48 shown at the UK national convention last > > > year. > > > Cheers, > > > Richard Caudron > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > > > > David Vosburgh > > > > Sent: donderdag 14 januari 1999 15:58 > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > > Subject: Re: TC Resins 1/48 Felixstowe > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: David R.L. Laws > > > > Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 2:47 AM > > > > Subject: Re: TC Resins 1/48 Felixstowe > > > > > > > > > > > > >Speaking of beautiful - Now, is anyone up for a Southhampton ? - > > > > >Glorious hull form and some pretty good photos available after the > > > > >recent restoration too > > > > > > > > > >david > > > > >>>> > > > > And a Singapore, and a Blackburn Iris, and all the Saros, and... > > > > > > > > Dave V. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1388 **********************