WWI Digest 1378 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: WWI model by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 2) RE: H-B W.29, again - Rib Tapes? by Shane Weier 3) RE: WWI model by Shane Weier 4) RE: WWI model by Shane Weier 5) RE: WWI model by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 6) RE: WWI model by Shane Weier 7) RE: WWI model by Shane Weier 8) Re: WWI model by "David R.L. Laws" 9) Re: H-B W.29, again - Rib Tapes? by "David R.L. Laws" 10) Re: WWI model by "David R.L. Laws" 11) Re: H-B W.29, again - Rib Tapes? by Mike Fletcher 12) Re: WWI model by Graham Nash 13) 1/28th SPAD decals by Suvoroff@aol.com 14) Re: Naval Lozenge by "Richard Caudron" 15) Model Pics by John Huggins 16) Re: Model Pics by "Steven M. Perry" 17) RE: Model Pics by "John Glaser" 18) Re: Model Pics by Ernest Thomas 19) Question to the List by "Steven M. Perry" 20) RE: Just How Fast Does This Guy Build Anyway? by Dennis Ugulano 21) Re: Model Pics by Dennis Ugulano 22) HB-29 Grey by Dennis Ugulano 23) Re: Question to the List by "David Vosburgh" 24) Huggins Site! by Mike Dicianna 25) mail troubles by "Diego Fernetti" 26) Re: mail troubles by "Peter Crow" 27) Re: Huggins Site! by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 28) decaling wings was: Rib Tapes? by "Diego Fernetti" 29) RE: mail troubles by "Diego Fernetti" 30) RE: Model Pics by "Diego Fernetti" 31) :-( by "Diego Fernetti" 32) Guynemer Book by Pedro e Francisca Soares 33) Re: Just How Fast Does This Guy Build Anyway? by KarrArt@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:19:41 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI model Message-ID: <199901120419.UAA21182@compass.OregonVOS.net> Robert K. wrote: >I wonder if Ray Rimell ever finished his? Whatever magzine he was steering >before Windsock (I can't remember) -snips- The old Airfix Magazine. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:21:15 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: H-B W.29, again - Rib Tapes? Message-ID: Bill, > They were, apparently, quite careful to match up the patterns > of adjacent > fabric panels as well - so the overall effect, with the matching > rib tapes, would be one continuous hex pattern from wing tip to wing > tip (or, from wing root to wing tip in the case of the W.29 and the > lower wings on biplanes.) > Again, look at the broken W.4 tail on the last page of that minifile. The pattern on the upper side of the fuselage is a separate piece of fabric from the tailplanes but matches exactly. A perfect example of the Pussers mind (translation - strict naval order and discipline ) > But, if you feel you must have tapes, they should be cut from the > hex pattern decal and carefully aligned to match the underlying > pattern. At which time, you probably won't be able to see them at > all and will wonder why you went to the bother. :-) > Or you could do as I (wastefully) did. Cut tapes of *clear* decal :-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:31:25 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: WWI model Message-ID: > Robert K. wrote: > > >I wonder if Ray Rimell ever finished his? Whatever magzine > he was steering > >before Windsock (I can't remember) -snips- > And Bill replied: > The old Airfix Magazine. > I don't recall this period at all. Must have been before hsi period as assistant editor and then editor at SM, which makes it a loooong time ago, early 70's at least. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:39:33 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: WWI model Message-ID: I said: > > Robert K. wrote: > > > > >I wonder if Ray Rimell ever finished his? Whatever magzine > > he was steering > > >before Windsock (I can't remember) -snips- > > > > And Bill replied: > > > The old Airfix Magazine. > > > > I don't recall this period at all. Must have been before hsi period as > assistant editor and then editor at SM, which makes it a > loooong time ago, > early 70's at least. Nothing further to add except that I wasn't earlier able to recall the editors name prior to Rimmell - it was Ron Moulton, another WW1 enthusiast I believe, at least by his support of articles by Rimmell, Harry Woodman etc. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:05:31 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: WWI model Message-ID: <199901120505.VAA13784@compass.OregonVOS.net> Shane wrote: >> Robert K. wrote: >> >I wonder if Ray Rimell ever finished his? Whatever magzine >> he was steering >> >before Windsock (I can't remember) -snips- >And Bill replied: >> The old Airfix Magazine. >I don't recall this period at all. Must have been before hsi period as >assistant editor and then editor at SM, which makes it a loooong time ago, >early 70's at least. Nope - got one right here, the Volume 26, No.7 dated March, 1985 issue of Airfix Magazine which proudly lists on its masthead: "Editor: David Taylor Consulting Editor: Ray Rimmell" The rear cover is graced by a full page color advertisement for "Wind-Sock, the quarterly newsletter for World War One scale modelers" which is touted as "coming soon". But, perhaps he was doing Scale Modeler as well in that period? Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:31:54 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: WWI model Message-ID: Bill, > > Nope - got one right here, the Volume 26, No.7 dated March, 1985 > issue of Airfix Magazine which proudly lists on its masthead: > > "Editor: David Taylor > Consulting Editor: Ray Rimmell" > > The rear cover is graced by a full page color advertisement for > "Wind-Sock, the quarterly newsletter for World War One scale modelers" > which is touted as "coming soon". > > But, perhaps he was doing Scale Modeler as well in that period? Okay, so he was only consulting - still news to me. If David Laws didn't have my whole early Scale Models (not Modeler, different magazine) collection I could check exactly when his editorial period started and ended. It seems to me though that there was a slight overlap before Windsock grew enough to take his full time attention - but memory may be failing me. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:36:44 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: WWI model Message-ID: FWIW > I wonder if Ray Rimell ever finished his? Whatever magzine he > was steering before Windsock (I can't remember) had a large article of his > about building this one, but he never got around to the wings. Years later > there was picture of him in his Windsock office, and the unfinished hulk was > sitting on a shelf in the background with a comment that, no, it STILL wasn't done. This review appears in the July 1981 issue of Scale Models (International) according to the index to my magazines. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:13:53 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI model Message-ID: <369B82D1.3F09@webtime.com.au> robert It was Scale models david KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/11/99 4:53:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, mikedc@dnc.net > writes: > > << Back in the early 80's Hasegawa made three model kits in 1/8 > >scale of WWI aircraft. The models are very detailed and of museum quality. > >I have the S.E.5a. >> > > I wonder if Ray Rimell ever finished his? Whatever magzine he was steering > before Windsock (I can't remember) had a large article of his about building > this one, but he never got around to the wings. Years later there was picture > of him in his Windsock office, and the unfinished hulk was sitting on a shelf > in the background with a comment that, no, it STILL wasn't done. > Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:20:07 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: H-B W.29, again - Rib Tapes? Message-ID: <369B8447.325A@webtime.com.au> There's a really good shot of a pranged W-4 in one of the old scale models dealing with the w-29 - I cann't find right now but if anyone's got Scale models for the mid 70's indexed up they can probably find quickly - david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:21:51 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI model Message-ID: <369B84AF.5464@webtime.com.au> Shane Weier wrote: > > If David Laws didn't have my whole early Scale Models (not Modeler, > different magazine) collection Merdé, et tu !!! david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:37:58 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: H-B W.29, again - Rib Tapes? Message-ID: <369B09E6.1EF90007@mars.ark.com> why not use clear decal stock for the tapes? - under a layer of varnish it should look like a tape without the hassle of getting it to match exactly -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:02:18 +0000 From: Graham Nash To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI model Message-ID: <199901120903.EAA29974@egate2.citicorp.com> Shane Weier wrote: > > If David Laws didn't have my whole early Scale Models (not Modeler, > different magazine) collection I could check exactly when his editorial > period started and ended. It seems to me though that there was a slight > overlap before Windsock grew enough to take his full time attention - but > memory may be failing me. There was indeed a slight overlap with Airfix magazine and Windsock of a couple of month's, from memory. A quicky question on Scale Models though. According to my records, the October 1982 issue, Volume 13, was not issued, the magazine numbering jumping from No 156, Sept 1982 to No.157 November 1982. Can you confirm or deny and/or give reasons for the jump? Was it because of the issue of one of their Specials? Or are my records in error? A puzzled Uncle Sniffy :^? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 04:25:19 EST From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: 1/28th SPAD decals Message-ID: <4f424dd4.369b14ff@aol.com> Since I am as ever unable to confine myself to any single scale, I was looking at the latest reissue of the old Revell SPAD and wondering if there are any decals made for it? I really would like to do the Screaming Chicken of SPA 48. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:33:56 +0100 From: "Richard Caudron" To: Subject: Re: Naval Lozenge Message-ID: <199901120934.JAA25546@out2.ibm.net> I think that their idea is to provide some decal in where one of the three colours is transparent, to fit the basic gery colour of the airplane. I am just finishing the W29 of MPM (1/72), and it looks very great with these decals. I did also compare them to the Pegasus ones. The Pegasus ones looks smaller to me. Cheers, Richard Caudron Mobile (+32) (0) 75 42 05 01 ---------- > From: KarrArt@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Naval Lozenge > Date: dinsdag 12 januari 1999 3:16 > > In a message dated 1/11/99 5:16:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Robert.Woodbury@per.clw.csiro.au writes: > > << Hi All > > Did anyone ever come up with a reason as to why Propag Team decided to go > and print their naval hex at an angle and offset the hexagons? > > Woody >> > > > A quick answer- while flipping through a bunch of WW I Aero magazines over the > weekend looking for something else, I almost subliminally detected a > DanSanAbbot hex article and it showed the fabric printed at an angle! > > Robert K.(who has yet to seriously address naval hex- one of these days) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 02:53:06 -0600 From: John Huggins To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Model Pics Message-ID: Good day folks If you would like to take a look at some of my handy work, drop by http://rampages.onramp.net/~huggins/ . I will be adding different pictures from time to time. Some will be on topic, some won't. I am starting out with the Pegasus HB 29 and the ESCI Fokker D VII. Enjoy John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 05:29:22 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Model Pics Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990112052922.009d12e0@pop.mindspring.com> At 05:11 AM 1/12/99 -0500, you wrote: >Good day folks >If you would like to take a look at some of my handy work, drop by >http://rampages.onramp.net/~huggins/ . I will be adding different >pictures from time to time. Some will be on topic, some won't. I am >starting out with the Pegasus HB 29 and the ESCI Fokker D VII. > > >Enjoy >John > Nice work John, both the models and the page. Where did you get the decals of the Du Dacht Nicht (sp?) for the Fokker in that scale? Looking forward to seeing more. sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 05:45:09 -0600 From: "John Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Model Pics Message-ID: <000701be3e21$0171a320$65464a0c@jg_notebook> What I particularly like is the self portrait on the lead page! We should add it to the list photo directory right next to "Legs" Pearson. :) - John > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > John Huggins > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 4:15 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Model Pics > > > Good day folks > If you would like to take a look at some of my handy work, drop by > http://rampages.onramp.net/~huggins/ . I will be adding different > pictures from time to time. Some will be on topic, some won't. I am > starting out with the Pegasus HB 29 and the ESCI Fokker D VII. > > > Enjoy > John > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:13:55 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Model Pics Message-ID: <369B3C83.68C5@bellsouth.net> John Glaser wrote: > > What I particularly like is the self portrait on the lead page! > Me too. What a mugg! Nice models too, John. E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:12:02 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Question to the List Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990112071202.009d05c0@pop.mindspring.com> I have a some related questions I am hoping someone might know about. What were the visible differences between the AIRCO DH-4 and the American produced Liberty Plane? How did the Liberty engine & exhausts affect the shape of the nose? Had the pilot & observer cockpit locations been moved yet? What modifications to the American built Liberty Planes were performed at Air Service Production Center #2 once they got to France? And finally, how exactly did the Americans employ their Liberty Planes, as bombers or recee or both? TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:45:35 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: Just How Fast Does This Guy Build Anyway? Message-ID: <199901120745_MC2-6650-ACCA@compuserve.com> Shane, >> I should relate that I belong to two model clubs. One is small, has several active junior members, and is *always* a pleasure to attend. Why << What a joy that must be. The two clubs I used to attend had just an opposite feeling. Juniors were not encouraged. It was an adult club that lamented over the fact that young people were not building models but would do nothing to encourage them. They really were not welcomed and it didn't take young people long to figure it out. So, for the past 13 years I have taught a class in basic model building at a local hobby shop. We spend 2 hours building anything they want and I pass on hints as we build. The mood is light and the results are good. My favorite story is one of my students had just purchased a 1/48 Monogram jet and came to me with about 3/4th of a tube of glue. He wanted to know if he needed to get another tube of glue. I told him it looked like he had about 4 or 5 models in that tube. He looked at his tube and said "Oh, I usually use a tube per model." The comment I get most from parents is how much less glue they use after attending the class. This is the real rewarding part of the hobby. One of my students has gone on to the national level in ability. (I jumped out of the way as he went by) Most attend for a few months and leave. The personality of the class is always changing and I get to see inside boxes that I normally wouldn't see. Students range in age from 8 to 65, I see some years later after they go into the service or college and they still enjoy modelling. I'm not paid for this nor do I charge for the class. But I feel I have received at least as much back as I have given. Excuse my soap box but like I said, I enjoy my hobby and I want everyone who comes in contact with me to know that. Keep up the good work in teaching the young ones and thank you for the information I've gleaned from you in the month I've been here. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:45:32 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Model Pics Message-ID: <199901120745_MC2-6650-ACC5@compuserve.com> John, Very nice photos of your kits. The W-29 is very attractive. Very nice job. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:41:40 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: HB-29 Grey Message-ID: <199901120841_MC2-665A-5C34@compuserve.com> Hi All, I need some color help. The Light Violet Grey Blue on the sides of the W-29 has not direct FS equivalent. My question. What FS color is the closest and what color to I add to make Methuen 19C2. Color mixing is not my strong point. TIA Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:45:32 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Question to the List Message-ID: <006b01be3e31$d363b840$0fd690d0@Pvosburg> Steven: I have the Smithsonian "D.H.4: Flaming Coffin to Living Legend" in case you don't have access to a copy. Needless to say you're more than welcome to borrow it if you want. Pretty intensive source. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Steven M. Perry To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 8:45 AM Subject: Question to the List >I have a some related questions I am hoping someone might know about. > >What were the visible differences between the AIRCO DH-4 and the American >produced Liberty Plane? How did the Liberty engine & exhausts affect the >shape of the nose? Had the pilot & observer cockpit locations been moved >yet? What modifications to the American built Liberty Planes were performed >at Air Service Production Center #2 once they got to France? And finally, >how exactly did the Americans employ their Liberty Planes, as bombers or >recee or both? > >TIA >sp > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 05:48:09 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Huggins Site! Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19990112054809.00683f10@dnc.net> Wonderful site....really inspires me to do the same. Man after my own heart. Wonderful candystripe DVII. And I "second" the previous question...."du Doch Nicht" decals in 1/72nd? Mikedc "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:54:09 -0200 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "WW1 mailing list" Subject: mail troubles Message-ID: <000101be3e09$21d9c420$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi, List: I'm testing the mail because I didn't received any input since yesterday. I had some server problems yesterday and I don't know what really happenned with this. I'm still with you? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:25:21 PST From: "Peter Crow" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: mail troubles Message-ID: <19990112142521.6468.qmail@hotmail.com> Diego wrote>.... Hi, List: >I'm testing the mail because I didn't received any input since yesterday. I >had some server problems yesterday and I don't know what really happenned >with this. I'm still with you? Heres a good way for me to test also to see if I'm back on.. Read you loud and clear on my end P. Crow > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:13:26 -0600 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Huggins Site! Message-ID: Not intending to speak for John (our handsomely-weathered list cowboy ;-) ), but I remember those markings as the decals issued with the Revell Fokker D.VII in the mid-sixties (3-kits-in-1 box kit?). Very nice models, John. Looking forward to seeing more. Paul A. Schwartzkopf >>> Mike Dicianna 01/12 7:49 AM >>> Wonderful site....really inspires me to do the same. Man after my own heart. Wonderful candystripe DVII. And I "second" the previous question...."du Doch Nicht" decals in 1/72nd? Mikedc "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:57:08 -0200 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: decaling wings was: Rib Tapes? Message-ID: <007201be3e3b$d408ed60$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> >Or you could do as I (wastefully) did. Cut tapes of *clear* decal :-) > >Shane > When I read this, a question from long ago surfaced on my mind. I apologize in advance if this has been discussed before I joined the list. The question is: Which way is better: to apply lozenge, rib tapes and crosses decals directly over the wing or to apply them over a clear decal cut to shape and then apply this over the wing? The first option is a more direct approach than the second, but decaling on a flat surface seems pretty easier than over the rib detail. D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:10:55 -0200 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: mail troubles Message-ID: <00a801be3e3d$c101cb40$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Thanks for answering. The mail seems to be allright (for now) sorry for the interruption. D. -----Mensaje original----- De: Peter Crow Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Martes 12 de Enero de 1999 12:53 PM Asunto: Re: mail troubles > >Diego wrote>.... > >Hi, List: >>I'm testing the mail because I didn't received any input since >yesterday. I >>had some server problems yesterday and I don't know what really >happenned >>with this. I'm still with you? > > Heres a good way for me to test also to see if I'm back on.. Read you >loud and clear on my end > >P. Crow >> >> > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:14:05 -0200 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Model Pics Message-ID: <00bd01be3e3e$320d9d00$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Beautiful models. Looking forward to see more! And beautiful hat you have, John! -----Mensaje original----- De: John Huggins Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Martes 12 de Enero de 1999 12:24 PM Asunto: Model Pics >Good day folks >If you would like to take a look at some of my handy work, drop by >http://rampages.onramp.net/~huggins/ . I will be adding different >pictures from time to time. Some will be on topic, some won't. I am >starting out with the Pegasus HB 29 and the ESCI Fokker D VII. > > >Enjoy >John > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:40:01 -0200 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "WW1 mailing list" Subject: :-( Message-ID: <00f301be3e41$d1f2cfe0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi List, I'd like to comment this here because all of you will understand the feeling I had last sunday. I was helping a non-modeler friend (yes! I still have) to move and we were cleaning and throwing away a lot of old stuff that every home has when you live in a place for many years. Well, I opened a closet and behind a stack of old toy boxes I found some 1/72 battered/crushed kit boxes: Revell Alb DIII and Fokker DVII, Matchbox Hawker Fury and some WW2 planes!!! I stayed in extasis, my hands full of dusty boxes, unable to reach those in the back of the closet. I shouted: "hey!, whose kits are these?" My friend answered: "My old brother trash" (he's married and lives out of town) "Keep all what you want but keep working!" he yelled. But I dived into the closet and opened all the boxes, in a sudden modelling frenzy. What happened? the boxes only contained the bare sprues and some loose parts. Imagine how angry I felt! Now that I told it I feel relieved. My friend is still laughing at me, even when I took the empty boxes. Sigh. D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:24:31 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: WW1 modeling list Subject: Guynemer Book Message-ID: <369B773E.7F5E3F0@mail.telepac.pt> Hi Gang, My "Guynemer - Les Avions d'un As" book finally came and, in two words, c'est superbe. The main topics on the index read like this: I. A Flashing career The youth of an hero: 1894-1914 Voluntary enlistment Student-pilot (Jan.- May 1915) Learning at the front (june - nov 1916) >From Oise to Verdun - the rise and fall of an ace (Dec. 1915 - June 1916) Dominating the skies over the Somme - (June 16 - Jan. 17) The Lorraine and the Glory (Feb- March. 1917) Over the Aisne - the acclamation (April - July 1917) Over Flandres the hero meets the mith.(july - sept.1917) II. Guynemer's Aircraft The "Vieux Charles" and the other - The Morane - The Nieuport - The Spad Color profiles The "Le Vieux Charles" riddle The SPAD n. S 254: - the history of a relic - The restoration: a world first. - The building techniques Other aircraft piloted by Guynemer. III. Les Cigognes - Escadrille n. 3 - Broccard's Escadrille - In the Cigones group Guynemer's companions Annexes: A - Guynemer's decorations B - Guyn. victories C - Guyn. "shot-downs" D - Guyn. Mechanics E - Aircraft characteristics F - Sundry documents G - Documentation and Bibliography H - Portfolio Notes Amendments and additions. All the chapters all lavishly illustrated with dozens of photos and there are several colour profiles and some colour photos of the restoration of S.254., as well as some 1917 german line drawings of most of the types flown by Guynemer. All the text is in french but there are english captions to all the pictures. All in all a very, very interesting and informative book, both for the modeler, the historian and the aircraft lover. Highly recommended. On the minus side: the front cover with a SPAD and a portrait of Guynemer. Could be much better. Price: 250 FF + 30 p&p (I got mine for 220 free of mail costs, since I benefited from the pre-ordering period.) HTH Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:02:26 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Just How Fast Does This Guy Build Anyway? Message-ID: <2461f16f.369b8022@aol.com> In a message dated 1/12/99 5:01:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, Uggies@compuserve.com writes: << So, for the past 13 years I have taught a class in basic model building at a local hobby shop. ...... Students range in age from 8 to 65, I see some years later after they go into the service or college and they still enjoy modelling. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com>> You, sir, are doing a service for all of us! Kids who build models seem to grow up to be a little smarter, a little more motivated and a little more well-rounded as people.Never mind that I also like to see kids start modeling for my own selfish reasons- more modelers= bigger market=more goodies for me to drool over. Seriously- keep up the good work! Robert K. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1378 **********************