WWI Digest 1377 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Newspaper Article by REwing@aol.com 2) Re: Rara Avis by "Brad Gossen" 3) Re: Rara Avis by Dave Watts 4) Re: Ebay 55041470 by Mike Fletcher 5) control horn colours by mkendix 6) Re: Ebay 55041470 by Allan Wright 7) RE: Moulding inaccuracies by Shane Weier 8) RE: D-III progress report by Shane Weier 9) RE: Just How Fast Does This Guy Build Anyway? by Shane Weier 10) H-B W.29, again - Rib Tapes? by Charles Stephanian 11) silence by Allred240Z@aol.com 12) RE: control horn colours by Shane Weier 13) Re: Model T Info by "David Vosburgh" 14) Re: H-B W.29, again - Rib Tapes? by "Sandy Adam" 15) Brad Hansen by "Sandy Adam" 16) WWI model by Mike Dicianna 17) Re: UNIDENTIFIED GERMAN FLOAT PLANE by "David R.L. Laws" 18) Re: H-B W.29, Rib Tapes? by "Charles or Linda Duckworth" 19) Re: SPADs & Old-timers /RE: Question: How to save photos on eBay? by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 20) RE: Naval Lozenge by "Robert Woodbury" 21) RE: H-B W.29, Rib Tapes? by Shane Weier 22) Re: Brad Hansen by Dennis Ugulano 23) Scarf Ring on W.29 by SMS 24) RE: Scarf Ring on W.29 by Shane Weier 25) Re: Naval Lozenge by KarrArt@aol.com 26) test.. getting no messages by "Peter Crow" 27) Re: D-III progress report by KarrArt@aol.com 28) Re: D-III progress report by Ernest Thomas 29) Re: silence by "Sharon Henderson" 30) Re: WWI model by KarrArt@aol.com 31) RE: WWI model by Shane Weier 32) Re: H-B W.29, again - Rib Tapes? by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 33) Re: Brad Hansen by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:32:36 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Newspaper Article Message-ID: <7682312.369a43c4@aol.com> Thought some of you may be interested in an article I found in Monday's, January 11, 1999 Sacramento Bee, page A3. WWI Veteran Given French Medal LOS ANGELES (AP)-- William Zelnicker, a 100-year-old veteran of World War I, has been awarded France's highest honor, the National Order of the Legion of Honor. "We don't want to forget what you did 80 years ago," Deputy Consul General Philippe Vinogradoff said Friday, pinning the crimson ribbon and white cross on Zelnicker and kissing him on both cheeks. The ceremony was held at the Veterans Affairs Sepulveda Ambulatory Care Center and Nursing Home. To mark the 80th anniversary of World War I, France id awarding Legion of Honor medals to surviving Allied Soldiers and nurses. About 1,500 survivors are believed to be in the United States. Zelnicker, a native of Providence, R.I., ran away from home and enlisted in the Army's 26th "Yankee" Division at age 17, before the United States had officially entered World War I. He was an Ambulance driver and stretcher bearer until he was felled in the Sept. 24, 1918, German attack during the American offensive on St. Mihiel. It took two years for him to recover and his lungs still are scarred. "I never coplained to the U.S. government," Zelnicker said. "I've lived a good life." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:40:23 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Rara Avis Message-ID: <199901111846.NAA05651@mail5.globalserve.net> What is "The Aerodrome"? How do I get there? I can't seem to locate it in Al's links. I'm sure I've been there before but I'm afraid my memory is slowly heading west. Brad ---------- > From: Graham Nash > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Rara Avis > Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 11:23 AM > > There is a pic over at "The Aerodrome", of a German floatplane pusher > that needs identification. Look at the World War One magazine thread, > over on page 2 or 3 of the forum if interested. > > It's a weido. I'm betting and Otto/Ago, but I'm not sure. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:03:26 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rara Avis Message-ID: <199901111911.OAA25379@sam.on-net.net> >What is "The Aerodrome"? How do I get there? I can't seem to locate it in >Al's links. I'm sure I've been there before but I'm afraid my memory is >slowly heading west. Try, http://www.theaerodrome.com/cgi-bin/forum/index.shtml Best, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:53:33 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Ebay 55041470 Message-ID: on the main search page there are a number of options for searching for descriptions, sellers, buyers etc, and one for the item number. If you bookmarked just the general item search go to the top of the page and select search. After I posted this I found the corresponding WW2 volume but did not record its number. Mike Fletcher On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Allan Wright wrote: > > bound set of ww1 profiles at $40 for 44 right now... > > How do you find someting on ebay by number - search doesn't come up > with this item. > > -Al > > =============================================================================== > Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! > University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- > Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu > =============================================================================== > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:35:12 -0500 (EST) From: mkendix To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: control horn colours Message-ID: Pardon me if this is a somewhat obvious or naive question. What colour are the control horns on the tail, wings etc? Does the colour vary according to the aeroplane? For example, what about the Bristol F2.B and the Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter? Michael mkendix@worthen.ihcrp.georgetown.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:41:52 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Ebay 55041470 Message-ID: <199901112041.PAA16333@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > on the main search page there are a number of options for searching for > descriptions, sellers, buyers etc, and one for the item number. If you > bookmarked just the general item search go to the top of the page and > select search. After I posted this I found the corresponding WW2 volume > but did not record its number. Thanks Mike =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:37:28 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Moulding inaccuracies Message-ID: David, > Seems pretty inexcusable after all the > recent research that's been done and even more so where extant examples are > still around and just a little care in measurement would result in a > truely accurate kit. > This is done so that you'll have something to do between slaying witches. > Just while I'm whinging and whining here, has anyone tried > half skinning of wing surfaces ( ie just doing the upper surface ) with embossed/ > scribed plastic card per Harry Woodman's method - Yup. Been there, done that. > Care to share any > special tricks and traps - especially on getting the leading and > trailing edges of the new skin to sit down correctly and without > subsequently peeling !!? Well, you hit the nail on the head so to speak. I had two problems. The first was getting the LE of the skin to curve over sharply enough to conform without subsequent difficulty holding it in place while it bonded. The second was having the glue take. CyA is *very* sudden, and since it's critical the skin goes in place at the first attempt it needs a little thought about how this should be done. And liquid cements and 5 or 10 thou card are not a good mix - the skin tends to sag due to melting well away from where you *think* you put the glue. The LE problem I never solved except by persistence. However, I learned to use a couple of fragments of double sided tape - as you would to scratchbuild a wing, but just *fragments* or you'll never removethe skin if it needs repositioning. The skin should overlap the TE by a fair distance. Once satisfied with position, invert the whole business on a flat surface, lift the wing core off the skin at the rear, flood with Cya and immediately press it down over the entire length. (be careful that the overlap is great enough to capture seepage or the whole lot will be glued immovably to the bench!) Once it taked, run another bead along the TE join. GO AWAY FOR AT LEAST A FEW HOURS. Now the TE is sealed. Carefully pry the LE up. I actually, carefully, added a full length strip of double sided tape at this point, then flooded the interior with CyA and repeated. Afterwards you need to spemd some time refining the TE and LE and (especially, and this is the bane of my life) the wingtips, but in my case it made a very much better wing for my old hawk Nie-17 HTH Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:46:38 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: D-III progress report Message-ID: David, > I posted a note a few months back on the accuracy of Merc 160 > mouldings generally Most seem to be too short in the length o/all and some are > to short - As for the crankcases well everyone seems to think that > because theyr'e not visible a rough approximation of " just > about " will be good enough > Be aware that most manufacturers deliberately model the engines slightly undersize. This is fair enough - the thickness of the engine panels necessary to allow injection moulding leaves little choice. Frankly, I don't see this as a problem unless you are badly afflicted by AMS OR silly enough to build your models with the engine panels off. (oh. that means me) In which case, scratchbuilding is FUN ;-) FAR more aggravating is the propensity of manufacturers to mould the ignition harness as a solid shelf through which the cylinders protrude. I waste *hours* on every Merc powered model eliminating this stupid piece of "detail" so that I can replace it with two pieces of rod - something the manufacturers could have done themselves. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:52:07 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Just How Fast Does This Guy Build Anyway? Message-ID: Dennis > Too many times I have seen beginning > modellers turned off because of cutting comments from self appointed > "experts". Hints and tips are one thing. Slash and burn comments are > another. You'll never hear them from *me*, and you can bet that in those few places where I have some official capacity in a model club anything of that ilk will get bloody short shrift. I should relate that I belong to two model clubs. One is small, has several active junior members, and is *always* a pleasure to attend. Why pleasurable? Because *every* member teases the other mercilessly *but* when advice or help is needed, especially by the juniors, it is given generously and with regard to the skills and interests of the one asking. > BTW, I also feel that "Each modeller will rise to > their own level of masochism" Ouch.. He means me folks ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:05:54 -0800 From: Charles Stephanian To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: H-B W.29, again - Rib Tapes? Message-ID: <954FDA1EE71CD2118BAB00104B939AA8045CBE@serverx.sfai.edu> Thanks to all who replied to my earlier posting about the lozenge decals. One more question...what color would be used for the rib tapes on the lozenge...am I correct in assuming rib tapes? Thanks, again...you guys are great for a neophyte WW1 modeler! Charles T. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:13:46 EST From: Allred240Z@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: silence Message-ID: <7c99f420.369a85aa@aol.com> Where is everyone? I havent gotten any posts for several days now. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:08:54 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: control horn colours Message-ID: Michael, > Pardon me if this is a somewhat obvious or naive question. > What colour > are the control horns on the tail, wings etc? Does the colour vary > according to the aeroplane? For example, what about the Bristol F2.B > and the Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter? Black. Or rather, the horns were metal which had been "japanned" for corrosion control, so they'll be black unless wear and tear has removed the finish. Only applies to British aircraft for certain, German ones will vary from this since they used various primers instead Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:41:47 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Model T Info Message-ID: <008001be3dbb$f4c54420$2dd690d0@Pvosburg> Paul: Thanks for thinking of me. I'd certainly appreciate any help in that direction... as you say, the chances of finding one on E-Bay for the kind of price modelers charge each other is probably slim to nil. FWIW, I don't know what the weather is like in Omaha, but if it's anything like here, I'd exert every effort to cop the trip to CA. Thanks again, Dave -----Original Message----- From: Paul Schwartzkopf To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 10:34 AM Subject: Re: Model T Info >A friend of mine has been putting on an auto model swap meet on the last Sunday in February in Omaha for many years now. There is a 50-50 chance I may be in California then, but if I attend, I will keep my eyes open for anything that may work out for you. My experience with places like Ebay on the Renwal car kits is that they go for **ridiculously** high prices. > >Paul A. Schwartzkopf > >>>> Ernest Thomas 01/08 10:55 PM >>> >David Vosburgh wrote: >> Short of finding one of the Revell/Renwal kits, though, it looks like I may >> have to scratchbuild one if I want real 1:48. > >When I was needing a 1/48 car model from that period, I went to the >local model car club meeting lucked out. A guy had the Renwall 1914 >Mercer Raceabout. Maybe you should find a model car website and try your >luck there before you send all your money to ebey. Hth... > >Unless the scratchbuilding madness has already taken hold... >E. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:26:40 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: H-B W.29, again - Rib Tapes? Message-ID: <199901120026.AAA16625@beryl.sol.co.uk> > One more question...what color would be used for the rib tapes > on the lozenge...am I correct in assuming rib tapes? >From memory - they appeared to very carefully apply them, cut from lozenge material so as to fit exactly the pattern of the cloth underneath. ie the hexagons all lined up very neatly and the rib tapes completed the same pattern. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:28:33 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Brad Hansen Message-ID: <199901120026.AAA16628@beryl.sol.co.uk> Looking through BH's guide to "WWI in Plastic" made me wonder if he is still modelling / collecting? Any of you guys know him? of him? Is he on line? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:48:11 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: WWI model Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19990111164811.006adc38@dnc.net> >I recently placed an ad on the Hobbyweb wanted list asking for WWI Aircraft trades for my stockpile of off topic kits. Have got a few responses, this one is a little too rich for my blood, but thought I would give all of you a shot at it! From: GJN238@aol.com >Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:26:39 EST >To: mikedc@dnc.net >Subject: WWI model > >Hi Mike, > I saw your add on the internet looking for aircraft from WWI. >Back in the early 80's Hasegawa made three model kits in 1/8 >scale of WWI aircraft. The models are very detailed and of museum quality. >I have the S.E.5a. This model has never been reissued and is very, very rare. >They also made the Sopwith Camel and the Folker Dr1. Both of these have >been reissued in the last few years and were selling for around $800.00. >The S.E.5a model that I have is in new condition. It will build up into a >model >with a 40" wingspan. Virtually every part on the actual aircraft is in this >model. >It can be built with the fabric off to show all of the structure or you can >cover it. >I am asking $500.00 for the model. I hate to sell it but I just had to >replace our computer and some models need to go to pay for it. Let me know if >you are interested. > Greg > GJN238@ >aol.com > 203-26 >6-5149 > > Mikedc "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:09:02 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: UNIDENTIFIED GERMAN FLOAT PLANE Message-ID: <369B2D4E.6174@webtime.com.au> Uncle Sniffy, The aircraft ( looking somewhat singed and the worse for wear ) is not, I believe, a pusher but in fact a twin tractor - The Gotha W - 7 Doing as well as I can I believe the subtle curved shape of the port engine cowling ( and tractor propeller ) is visible - Fire seems to have stripped the beasty of her tail feathers and with it the code/ serial - The front gunner's position, the run of the top decking fuselage back to the cockpit, and float configuration are also consistant with the W-7 ( If I'm right it's probably an early model BTW since the later models had more of the ducks foot shape to the float as drawn in the Marine Aircraft book, not the more pointed front end profile to the float as seen here and also depicted in Seeatlas drawings) See Harry Woodman's " Serendipidy " article in Windsock international and Marine Aircraft 1914-18 and Putnam's German Aircraft of WW 1 for further pictures of this type Fruity ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:05:45 -0600 From: "Charles or Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: H-B W.29, Rib Tapes? Message-ID: <199901120059.SAA19908@mail.primary.net> > >From memory - they appeared to very carefully apply them, cut from lozenge > material so as to fit exactly the pattern of the cloth underneath. ie the > hexagons all lined up very neatly and the rib tapes completed the same > pattern. > Sandy I got out both the HB12 and 29 DF and the only clear photo evidence of rib tapes on the top of the wings was the prototype 12. The bottom tapes show up very well in some photos on both types. None of the hex fabric shots disclosed a rib tape although Sandy's statement has to be correct. Unlike the RFC PC10 a/c where one can see the variables in tape vs wing fabric; the HB aircraft tapes were 'very neatly' applied to match the hex. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 05:07:15 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SPADs & Old-timers /RE: Question: How to save photos on eBay? Message-ID: <369B4903.68C3@ricochet.net> Fernando Lamas wrote: > If you know an old timer, talk to him. Fernando's right. I've gotten more than one hair-raising tale from the father-in-law (served on Liberty Ships and other buckets) and other assorted vintage vets. For example, my brother's mother-in-law's boyfriend by the name of Dennis told me about how once his ship managed, with the aid of a forward observer, to shoot over an island in the South Pacific and bracket (and heavily damage or sink) a Japanese ship without seeing it. I also seem to remember him saying something about US subs getting friendly fire from patrol bombers even in the 'safety lanes'... FWIW, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:11:45 +0800 From: "Robert Woodbury" To: Subject: RE: Naval Lozenge Message-ID: <000101be3dc8$854815c0$91107482@robertw-pc-fl.per.clw.csiro.au> Hi All Did anyone ever come up with a reason as to why Propag Team decided to go and print their naval hex at an angle and offset the hexagons? Woody ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:41:13 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: H-B W.29, Rib Tapes? Message-ID: Hi all, Charles says: > I got out both the HB12 and 29 DF and the only clear photo > evidence of rib tapes on the top of the wings was the prototype 12. The > bottom tapes show up very well in some photos on both types. None of the hex > fabric shots disclosed a rib tape although Sandy's statement has to be > correct. Unlike the RFC PC10 a/c where one can see the variables in tape vs > wing fabric; the HB aircraft tapes were 'very neatly' applied to match the > hex. > Incidental to all this, it is worth a look at the Albatros W.4 datafile as well. though there are no photos which show anything which could be definitely accounted to be a rib tape, there *is* a photo of a wrecked Alb W.4 tail unit which shows the upper surface quite closely. There are no apparent rib tapes, though this is hardly indicative because many (most?) aircraft didn't have the tail surfaces taped anyway. However, there *are* what appear as pale lines along each rib position. These are way to narrow to be tapes, but could *possibly* be a line of stitching though the photo isn't quite clear enough to decide. If it *isn't* stitching, or perhaps just crazing of the dope due to the stress/rubbing of the ribs below, I have no idea how to explain it. More interesting are the patches of reinforcing at each hinge position. These are clearly lighter than the surrounding fabric, and will make an interesting detail when I get to the decalling stage on my W.4. I *guess* that something similar would appear on other Hex covered machines Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:47:20 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Brad Hansen Message-ID: <199901112047_MC2-664C-D990@compuserve.com> Sandy, RE: Brad Hansen Brad lives in Fresno and to the best of my knowledge he has not built in over 10 years. I have not had any contact with him a while but I could check with his father and get an address. He doesn't live 15 minutes from me. I would love to get him back into modelling as he is an excellent builder. But family and career has taken first place at this time. Let's see what we can do to change that. ;-) I do not know if he has an on line address. Will check for you. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:52:24 -0600 From: SMS To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Scarf Ring on W.29 Message-ID: <369AAAD0.65F91A47@netins.net> Dennis Ugulano wrote: > Shane, > > >> But I don't think that you'll see one on a W.29 << > > Thanks. I couldn't find any reference to a British style ring. I have > already replace it with a German gun ring. > > Dennis Ugulano > email: Uggies@compuserve.com The datafile on the W.29 shows number 2204, the prototype with a Scarf-type ring. Steve S. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:03:37 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Scarf Ring on W.29 Message-ID: I said : > > Yes, IIRC several German manufacturers used thinly disguised > >copies of Scarff rings. But I don't think that you'll see one > >on a W.29 > > > > Thanks. I couldn't find any reference to a British style > ring. I have already replace it with a German gun ring. > > > > Dennis Ugulano > > email: Uggies@compuserve.com > > The datafile on the W.29 shows number 2204, the prototype with a > Scarf-type ring. > I stand corrected. Perhaps I should have said "usually". But *most* W.29 (at least going by the photographic record) had a local design gun ring Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:12:50 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Naval Lozenge Message-ID: <86c09681.369aafa2@aol.com> In a message dated 1/11/99 5:16:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, Robert.Woodbury@per.clw.csiro.au writes: << Hi All Did anyone ever come up with a reason as to why Propag Team decided to go and print their naval hex at an angle and offset the hexagons? Woody >> A quick answer- while flipping through a bunch of WW I Aero magazines over the weekend looking for something else, I almost subliminally detected a DanSanAbbot hex article and it showed the fabric printed at an angle! Robert K.(who has yet to seriously address naval hex- one of these days) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:47:18 PST From: "Peter Crow" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: test.. getting no messages Message-ID: <19990112024718.12139.qmail@hotmail.com> Testing ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:21:28 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: D-III progress report Message-ID: <9fd18dbc.369abfb8@aol.com> In a message dated 1/11/99 2:07:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << David, > I posted a note a few months back on the accuracy of Merc 160 > mouldings generally Most seem to be too short in the length o/all and some are > to short - > ..........FAR more aggravating is the propensity of manufacturers to mould the ignition harness as a solid shelf through which the cylinders protrude. I waste *hours* on every Merc powered model eliminating this stupid piece of "detail" so that I can replace it with two pieces of rod - something the manufacturers could have done themselves. Shane>> Dave- I remember the thread. The odd thing was that Glencoe, of all companies, had the best dimensions for 1/48 Mercedes engines. Yep,the good ol' crude Glencoe Albatros. I'm still insane over the new Eduard D III, but after checking, it's engine is too small. From the front of the front cylinder to the rear of the rear clylinder, it's almost 1/16" too short. This may not sound like much, but it's enough to make the nose look odd from some angles. I didn't establish this from laying the parts over the Datafile plans, I dug around for some dimensions and measured. Now, Mr. Caproni- you've hit on one of my nerves- the need to remove crappy detail so I can replace it with better looking stuff I can do myself. I have no comment except to offer assent and just gggrrrrrr at bad junk I have to scrap off! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:28:25 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: D-III progress report Message-ID: <369AC159.2F50@bellsouth.net> Shane Weier wrote: > FAR more aggravating is the propensity of manufacturers to mould the > ignition harness as a solid shelf through which the cylinders protrude. I > waste *hours* on every Merc powered model eliminating this stupid piece of > "detail" so that I can replace it with two pieces of rod - something the > manufacturers could have done themselves. Yes, the other reason I used the Tom's engine. No 'Shelf'. E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:20:32 -0500 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: silence Message-ID: <9901112220.AA32767@ft.sumter> > Where is everyone? I havent gotten any posts for several days now. Bob Wow, more timewarp.... I've been getting scads of messages a day, as I sit here poised over the inert body of a Testor's SPAD (apparently a good one to "start off" on? Hmm, how good can I make it look???) almost scared to make the next move as I look at lovely renditions on folks' web pages.... :-) It's good therapy! :-) Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:21:25 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI model Message-ID: <4d539e3e.369abfb5@aol.com> In a message dated 1/11/99 4:53:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, mikedc@dnc.net writes: << Back in the early 80's Hasegawa made three model kits in 1/8 >scale of WWI aircraft. The models are very detailed and of museum quality. >I have the S.E.5a. >> I wonder if Ray Rimell ever finished his? Whatever magzine he was steering before Windsock (I can't remember) had a large article of his about building this one, but he never got around to the wings. Years later there was picture of him in his Windsock office, and the unfinished hulk was sitting on a shelf in the background with a comment that, no, it STILL wasn't done. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:50:17 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: WWI model Message-ID: RK > I wonder if Ray Rimell ever finished his? No > Whatever magzine he was steering > before Windsock (I can't remember) Scale Models (Now Scale Models International). At the time, and still, the best of the mainstream model magazines in term of WW1 content, both volume and quality. > had a large article of his about building > this one, but he never got around to the wings. Years later > there was picture > of him in his Windsock office, and the unfinished hulk was > sitting on a shelf > in the background with a comment that, no, it STILL wasn't done. Have since seen him advertising it for sale. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:08:50 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: H-B W.29, again - Rib Tapes? Message-ID: <199901120408.UAA15326@compass.OregonVOS.net> Charles writes: >Thanks to all who replied to my earlier posting about the lozenge >decals. One more question...what color would be used for the rib tapes >on the lozenge...am I correct in assuming rib tapes? For modelling purposes, you can probably omit the rib tapes altogether. They DID have rib tapes - but, as a general rule, they cut the rib tapes from the same hexagon pattern fabric as was used to cover the wing and they lined it up very carefully so that it matched the the fabric and maintained a continuous pattern. Thus, the rib tapes are usually not visiable in the photos at all. They were, apparently, quite careful to match up the patterns of adjacent fabric panels as well - so the overall effect, with the matching rib tapes, would be one continuous hex pattern from wing tip to wing tip (or, from wing root to wing tip in the case of the W.29 and the lower wings on biplanes.) But, if you feel you must have tapes, they should be cut from the hex pattern decal and carefully aligned to match the underlying pattern. At which time, you probably won't be able to see them at all and will wonder why you went to the bother. :-) As with all things 1914-18ish, all rules are general rules only and there are exceptions. If possible always refer to photos of the specific aircraft you are modeling. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:14:55 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Brad Hansen Message-ID: <199901120414.UAA17562@compass.OregonVOS.net> Sandy writes: > >Looking through BH's guide to "WWI in Plastic" made me wonder if he is >still modelling / collecting? >Any of you guys know him? of him? >Is he on line? The most recent e-mail address I have is: bradh@kumr.lns.com but that is a couple years old. But, WWI in Plastic IS a wonderful book, is it not? Mine is slowly coming apart but is still most treasured. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1377 **********************