WWI Digest 1366

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Olympic Model
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
  2) Check this Profile
	by "Steven M. Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
  3) Toko Pfalz Wrap-up
	by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley)
  4) Re: Albatros D.II & D.III Oeffag Book
	by "David R.L. Laws" <laws@webtime.com.au>
  5) Dope, was: RE: Glue
	by Sharon Henderson <sharon@portcullis.maxson.com>
  6) Re: Albatros D.II & D.III Oeffag Book
	by Graham Nash <graham.nash@citicorp.com>
  7) Re: Glue
	by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com>
  8) Re: Glue
	by Dave Watts <davew@wattstrainshop.com>
  9) Re: Olympic Model
	by "David Vosburgh" <dave@vga-graphics.com>
 10) Re: Glue / Screwed DVII
	by Mike Dicianna <mikedc@dnc.net>
 11) RE: Albatros D.II & D.III Oeffag Book
	by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
 12) Re: Albatros D.II & D.III Oeffag Book
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
 13) Whale picture on eBay
	by Graham Nash <graham.nash@citicorp.com>
 14) Re: Whale picture on eBay
	by Allan Wright <aew>
 15) Re: Whale picture on eBay
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
 16) Re: Whale picture on eBay
	by Graham Nash <graham.nash@citicorp.com>
 17) Re: Glue
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 18) Re: Whale picture on eBay
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 19) Re: Dope, was: RE: Glue
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 20) T-Zone wasRe: Olympic Model
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 21) CSM wasRe: Albatros D.II & D.III Oeffag Book
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 22) RE: Albatros D.II & D.III Oeffag Book
	by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
 23) RE: Albatros D.II & D.III Oeffag Book
	by Matthew Zivich <mzivich@tardis.svsu.edu>
 24) Re: T-Zone wasRe: Olympic Model
	by David & Carol Fletcher <dcf@mars.ark.com>
 25) Re: T-Zone wasRe: Olympic Model
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 26) RMS Olympic
	by Geoff Smith <geoff-smith@cwcom.net>
 27) Re: Whale picture on eBay
	by "David Vosburgh" <dave@vga-graphics.com>
 28) RMS Olympic Part 2
	by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" <herper@willapabay.org>
 29) RE: Caproni Ca.3
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
 30) RE: Caproni Ca.3
	by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>

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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 06:25:01 -0600
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Olympic Model
Message-ID: <3693561D.5318@bellsouth.net>

David Vosburgh wrote:
> 
> In lieu of cash, I'll call it even if you get them to make a reunion episode
> of "The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr."

Or at least an Evil Dead 4.
E.

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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:06:49 -0500
From: "Steven M. Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Check this Profile
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990106080649.006a0dd4@pop.mindspring.com>

Dear List:

I ran across this profile and could not resist scanning & posting. Check it
out.

http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/RK.htm

sp

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:11:13 -0500
From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley)
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Toko Pfalz Wrap-up
Message-ID: <v01530501b2b91ccb2e46@[207.34.203.106]>

Hi List,

For Len and others in on the Toko Pfalz D.XII; now that mine is finished I
should like to warn you about a few things.

The worst parts of the kit are the Cabane struts. Cut the long ends off and
reattach separately.

The second worst part is the radiator, which isn't wide enough for the
front end of the plane. Consider sanding down the fuselage halves around
the engine and dry-fit the rad to get a better mating surface. Also,
re-carve or replace the prop.

I also had a lot of trouble with the interplane struts and wound up warping
my wings to get everything glued together. I believe this is more a
reflection of my modeling skills rather than defective kit parts, but all
the same, I now think it would be best to make a little jig to line up
everthing correctly.

Well, that's it. I really like the look of the Pfalz D.XII, but I'm a
little disappointed with my model. But, not to worry - the next one will be
better!

Kevin Barrett.

nu: hmmmmm...so many kits, so little time.



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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 23:27:33 +1000
From: "David R.L. Laws" <laws@webtime.com.au>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Albatros D.II & D.III Oeffag Book
Message-ID: <3690C1C2.196A@webtime.com.au>

Carlos Valdes wrote:
> 
> > Keystone Military Miniatures has the JaPo book for $16.50.
 CSM Fokker D.V too ($26).  CSM Pfalz Dr.I and Albatros W.4, for $42 and
$56 respectively (too rich for my blood).
>                                         Carlos


Could someone please say who CSM are and what sort of quality these
books/ magazines offer ?

TIA   david

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:49:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Sharon Henderson <sharon@portcullis.maxson.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Dope, was: RE: Glue
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.990106084442.3982A-100000@portcullis.maxson.com.>

Dope fiends, eh?  ;-)

Weeeeelllll....

Let's see now.  (Sharon shuffles through glossary of WW1 aviation terms, 
and does indeed find "dope".)  Seems to me that, if a fiend can be 
described as one who obsessively pursues something to the bitter end, and 
if we all want our planes to look as authentic as possible, we try to 
make the surface look "doped" -- then -- (looking up and innocently 
batting eyelashes) would not that, then, make us ALL Dope Fiends of a sort?

Hey, that would make a cool name for the List Band!  :-)

Sharon,
Holiday Stressed and Caffeine deprived in Fairfax.  :-) 

> > Explaing to this dim-
> > bulb was useless, and I'm sure somewhere there's record of me 
> >  being some kind of dope fiend!
> > 
> 
> Where did you say you live? ;-)
> 
> Shane
> (in staid, conservative, Brisbane. No dope fiends here......maaaaaan..)
> 

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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:38:08 +0000
From: Graham Nash <graham.nash@citicorp.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Albatros D.II & D.III Oeffag Book
Message-ID: <199901061339.IAA03239@egate2.citicorp.com>



"David R.L. Laws" wrote:
> 
> Carlos Valdes wrote:
> >
> > > Keystone Military Miniatures has the JaPo book for $16.50.
>  CSM Fokker D.V too ($26).  CSM Pfalz Dr.I and Albatros W.4, for $42 and
> $56 respectively (too rich for my blood).
> >                                         Carlos
> 
> Could someone please say who CSM are and what sort of quality these
> books/ magazines offer ?

CSM is Copper State Models (website http://www.amug.org/~copperst/) for
1/48th resin kits.  A recent reviewer in SAMI, was not over-impressed
with a Pfalz D.XII-YMMV of course.

JaPo Alb D.II & D.III Oeffag is indeed a book, and INHO offers good
value for money versus a Datafile, even if the Enhlish is slightly
broken

Regards
Uncle Sniffy

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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 07:44:58 -0700
From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Glue
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990106074458.006ff10c@mail>

At 12:28 AM 06/01/99 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 1/5/99 8:51:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, dave@vga-
>graphics.com writes:
>
><< 
> As long as I'm on a "do you remember" kick, I wonder if the "sniffless" glue
> craze had anything to do with the large-scale Aurora Fok. D.VII kit they
> came out with around that same time which was held together with
> Phillips-head screws? For years I thought this was a figment of my sick
> imagination, but then I saw an ad for it in one of my old comic books that
> my son and I were looking through not long ago. Did anybody build it?
> 
> DV >>
>
>    I remembner this kit- I've never had it, but I've seen built ups. The
>rudder is the tell-tale mark of the genesis of the kit- it's offset. It was
>originally going to be a control line glow-fuel flier- I don't know where the
>molds came from, but Aurora marketed it as a regular display model, but the
>method of screw assembly remained.
>    The anti-glue campaign started at least as early as '63-'64. I've still
>got a piece of political campaign literature around some place from '63
that's
>attempting to turn glue sniffing into an issue. Also an old edition of
>American Modeler ( a flying model mag for you young sprouts) had a cover
>headline around this time that screamed "Glue Sniffers are Idiots!" I still
>have a shredded copy of this cover because it had a nifty pic of a  Nieuport
>11. I was in jr.high school starting in '64 and we had teachers that
>threatened to report a couple of us model guys because we were heard to use
>the word "glue" in our recess breaks. It was true hysteria. One teacher
didn't
>know model glue could be used to make things- she thought it was marketed
>solely to kids to make them high. About 1966, we saw an anti-marijuana film
>that ended with a kid hallucinating that he could fly and he jumps off a
>building and lands with a big splat( which of course got big laughs!). After
>the film we had a discussion and this teacher asked me and some other
modelers
>why would risk that kind of fate just for a few kicks. Explaing to this dim-
>bulb was useless, and I'm sure somewhere there's record of me  being some
kind
>of dope fiend!
>
>Robert K.
>

So there were really stupid school teachers around in the 60s as well as
the 70s and 80s, huh?

Dane


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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:43:11 -0500
From: Dave Watts <davew@wattstrainshop.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Glue
Message-ID: <199901061451.JAA16022@sam.on-net.net>

  I got both of the kits, (non-motorized), for my 9th Christmas.  They were
great until I reached my "realism" stage around 12, and began to stage
dogfights, aerodrome attacks, midair crashes, etc. with the aid of gasoline
for total effect.  The only problem was I soon exhausted all of my "actors"
and had to induce friends for their participation.  That phase was a bit
costly and leaves me wanting of these old thespians.  At least I got it out
of my system then, and didn't become a destructive addict of some other sort.
  Best Wishes,
  Dave Watts

PS: Still looking for those kits today. 


>DV writes
>As long as I'm on a "do you remember" kick, I wonder if the "sniffless" glue
>craze had anything to do with the large-scale Aurora Fok. D.VII kit they
>came out with around that same time which was held together with
>Phillips-head screws? For years I thought this was a figment of my sick
>imagination, but then I saw an ad for it in one of my old comic books that
>my son and I were looking through not long ago. Did anybody build it?



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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:01:25 -0500
From: "David Vosburgh" <dave@vga-graphics.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Olympic Model
Message-ID: <004201be3985$6ee6b6c0$05d690d0@Pvosburg>

E.

Never got to see any of the "Evil Dead" movies... were they worth watching?
Nice to see that at least Fox brought back Bruce Campbell for a guest
appearance on "The X-Files" last week as a demonic insurance man who drove a
red Firebird...!!!

Regards,

DV
(struggling to think of a way to get this thread back on-topic)

-----Original Message-----
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Olympic Model


<<snip>>
>I'll call it even if you get them to make a reunion episode
>> of "The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr."
>
>Or at least an Evil Dead 4.
>E.
>


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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 07:50:32 +0000
From: Mike Dicianna <mikedc@dnc.net>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Glue / Screwed DVII
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19990106075032.006db6e4@dnc.net>

At 09:52 AM 1/6/99 -0500, you wrote:
>  I got both of the kits, (non-motorized), for my 9th Christmas.  They were
>great until I reached my "realism" stage around 12, and began to stage
>dogfights, aerodrome attacks, midair crashes, etc. with the aid of gasoline
>for total effect.  The only problem was I soon exhausted all of my "actors"
>and had to induce friends for their participation.  That phase was a bit
>costly and leaves me wanting of these old thespians.  At least I got it out
>of my system then, and didn't become a destructive addict of some other sort.
>  Best Wishes,
>  Dave Watts
>
>PS: Still looking for those kits today. 
>
>As a former villian of the same practice as above, I too destroyed some 
very important vintage kits.   Not that any of them could have survived all the
moves/addresses/different wives of the last 30 years.  I still kick myself
every time I spot one of these kits on Ebay.    I (in my destuctive youth)
used to manufacture "firecrackers" from roll caps and masking tape that were
really pretty dangerous!

Recently saw one of the Aurora DVII "giant" kits on Ebay....it went for close
to $100.00 as I remember...

nb:Toko Pfalz DXII
nu:off topic model of my Wife's Chrysler Sebring Convertible
nl: Video of Star Wars on my new Home Theater System!
Mikedc
"Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer"


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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:32:45 -0600
From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Albatros D.II & D.III Oeffag Book
Message-ID: <01BE395F.E6B12D00.panz-meador@vsti.com>

i too recommend the JaPo book on the albatri in A-H service.   as U-S 
indicates below, the translation can be somewhat stilted at times but 
overall a very good book, with lots of photos (incl. lots of crash photos, 
for the anti-huns on the list), tables, etc.  of note is a table describing 
FliK heraldry.

there are two color depictions of "advanced" camo.  one, depicting 
elongated hexagons, is probably familiar to most, though the color 
interpretation is certainly suspect, i.e. black hexes are shown, whereas 
the bird in the adjacent photo, with eisenkreuz for comparison, doesn't 
appear to have hexes anywhere near as dark.  as well, there is a nice FOUR 
color interpretation of the sworl printed fabric.

phillip

-----Original Message-----
From:	Graham Nash [SMTP:graham.nash@citicorp.com]
Sent:	Wednesday, January 06, 1999 7:39 AM
To:	Multiple recipients of list
Subject:	Re: Albatros D.II & D.III Oeffag Book



"David R.L. Laws" wrote:
>
> Carlos Valdes wrote:
> >
> > > Keystone Military Miniatures has the JaPo book for $16.50.
>  CSM Fokker D.V too ($26).  CSM Pfalz Dr.I and Albatros W.4, for $42 and
> $56 respectively (too rich for my blood).
> >                                         Carlos
>
> Could someone please say who CSM are and what sort of quality these
> books/ magazines offer ?

CSM is Copper State Models (website http://www.amug.org/~copperst/) for
1/48th resin kits.  A recent reviewer in SAMI, was not over-impressed
with a Pfalz D.XII-YMMV of course.

JaPo Alb D.II & D.III Oeffag is indeed a book, and INHO offers good
value for money versus a Datafile, even if the Enhlish is slightly
broken

Regards
Uncle Sniffy


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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:54:27 -0800
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Albatros D.II & D.III Oeffag Book
Message-ID: <199901061652.QAA09646@beryl.sol.co.uk>

> overall a very good book, with lots of photos (incl. lots of crash
photos, 
> for the anti-huns on the list),

No, no, no, Philip, the Austrians weren't Huns. For the enjoyment of real
crashed huns you have to go to the Western Front. The Austrians were lovely
dirndl-and-leather-pant wearing happy-go-lucky bohemians until nasty young
Gavrilo shot the head honcho.
It was only after the 1930s that the Austrians became bigger Nazis than the
Germans!
Sandy
(who has just recently enjoyed watching the Vienna New Year's Day concert
through a cloud of Bucks' Fizz!)


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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 16:53:06 +0000
From: Graham Nash <graham.nash@citicorp.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Whale picture on eBay
Message-ID: <199901061654.LAA22478@egate2.citicorp.com>

have a quick squizzy at:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=53049765

Uncle Sniffy

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:00:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Whale picture on eBay
Message-ID: <199901061700.MAA17845@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

> have a quick squizzy at:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=53049765
> Uncle Sniffy

Nice photo - I grabbed the JPG of it for the web page.

Can't you get arrested if you have a "quick squizzy" in public?

-Allan

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:15:02 -0800
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Whale picture on eBay
Message-ID: <199901061712.RAA10536@beryl.sol.co.uk>

> > have a quick squizzy at:
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=53049765
> > Uncle Sniffy
> 
> Nice photo - I grabbed the JPG of it for the web page.
Very nice - wonder what the colour demarcation is? Anybody have any views?
Sandy

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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 17:12:39 +0000
From: Graham Nash <graham.nash@citicorp.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Whale picture on eBay
Message-ID: <199901061713.MAA23596@egate2.citicorp.com>

Hey, if Bob can feel frisky, I'm sure no one will mind me having a quick
squizzy...

Allan Wright wrote:
> 
> > have a quick squizzy at:
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=53049765
> > Uncle Sniffy
> 
> Nice photo - I grabbed the JPG of it for the web page.
> 
> Can't you get arrested if you have a "quick squizzy" in public?
> 
> -Allan

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:59:56 EST
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Glue
Message-ID: <f574365f.3693a49c@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/6/99 6:51:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,
2814823733@home.com writes:

<< 
 So there were really stupid school teachers around in the 60s as well as
 the 70s and 80s, huh?
 
 Dane >>

Yep- I'm...uh....in my...mid-forties, and I still would like to do horrible
things to a lot of my "teachers", especially the one who had a true-false quiz
question that went  "The accidental sinking of the Lusitania in 1913 was the
immediate cause of the United States becoming involved in WW I". Naturally, I
checked "false". When I got my paper back, The teacher had marked my answer as
incorrect. I went up to his desk after class and pointed out the mistake,
calling out the wrong date and reason for sinking. He refused to budge, saying
the gist was substantially true. Now, this guy wasn't smart enough to be
playing around with philosophical questions like "what is really true"- he was
just an obstinate dumb-ass.
(jeez, I'm slipping into geezer-hood more and more with these old stories)The
other side of the coin is a history teacher who to this day I almost worship-
a true guide. He was a combination of Thomas Jefferson and Popeye. He taught
names and dates, but also context, which made the names and dates easy. He
also knew a Nieuport from a Fokker.
Robert K.

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:59:59 EST
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Whale picture on eBay
Message-ID: <9dae4ae9.3693a49f@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/6/99 9:02:34 AM Pacific Standard Time,
aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes:

<< Can't you get arrested if you have a "quick squizzy" in public?
 
 -Allan >>

That's why we have "windowless corridors"!
RK

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:59:54 EST
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Dope, was: RE: Glue
Message-ID: <6469e269.3693a49a@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/6/99 5:22:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,
sharon@portcullis.maxson.com writes:

<< we try to 
 make the surface look "doped" -- then -- (looking up and innocently 
 batting eyelashes) would not that, then, make us ALL Dope Fiends of a sort?
 
 Hey, that would make a cool name for the List Band!  :-)
 
 Sharon,
 Holiday Stressed and Caffeine deprived in Fairfax.  :-)  >>

And that's another thing! In the same time frame as my previous boring-old-
geezer story, I was building stick and tissue models, so, naturally, I NEEDED
dope ( I LOVE the smell of good ol' Pactra AeroGloss). One also had to watch
one's mouth at school when talking about this substance. Perhaps there are
similarities with the other kind of substance- I'm still using AeroGloss for
some things and  I can't seem to break the habit. ( and it ain't 69 cents for
a large jar anymore, but I'll still pay the price!)
Robert K. ( who, while on the subject, did got to a Grateful Dead concert or
two, or twenty two)

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:59:58 EST
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: T-Zone wasRe: Olympic Model
Message-ID: <929584df.3693a49e@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/6/99 7:02:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, dave@vga-
graphics.com writes:

<< Never got to see any of the "Evil Dead" movies... were they worth watching?
 Nice to see that at least Fox brought back Bruce Campbell for a guest
 appearance on "The X-Files" last week as a demonic insurance man who drove a
 red Firebird...!!!
 
 Regards,
 
 DV
 (struggling to think of a way to get this thread back on-topic)
  >>


Ok....here's the path- "X-files" -> strange TV -> Twilight Zone- an episode
about an RFC pilot who flies through a hole in time in his Nieuport and lands
at a modern USAF fighter jet base. Much confusion and a lesson in cowardice,
and he flies back through the hole to save the life of his captain in a
dogfight, who later became an Air Marshall and was a guest at the USAF base
the day this incident occured.
Robert K.

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:00:01 EST
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: CSM wasRe: Albatros D.II & D.III Oeffag Book
Message-ID: <1d161552.3693a4a1@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/6/99 5:21:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
laws@webtime.com.au writes:

<< > > Keystone Military Miniatures has the JaPo book for $16.50.
 CSM Fokker D.V too ($26).  CSM Pfalz Dr.I and Albatros W.4, for $42 and
$56 respectively (too rich for my blood).
>                                         Carlos
 Could someone please say who CSM are and what sort of quality these
 books/ magazines offer ?
 
 TIA   david
  >>

Copper State Miniatures out of Arizona- resin kits and metal goodies. I did a
rather long and overwrought review of their Fokker DV in the December Internet
Modeler- Go there and dig out December from the archives at:
http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/index.html
Robert K.

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:50:05 -0600
From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Albatros D.II & D.III Oeffag Book
Message-ID: <01BE3973.16237F80.panz-meador@vsti.com>

sandy:

you are correct--after all, it was the german willhelm "public gaffes a 
specialty" der zweite that coined the term while sending off the german 
contingent to battle the boxer rebellion.  demi-huns then, at least the 
germanic-dominated A-H civil service, eh?

in all seriousness, i look forward to future, on-topic publications from 
JaPo, and again recommend the book for its price/content ratio.
you can find keystone military models, who stock these pubs, at:

	http://members.aol.com/keystonemm/

phillip

-----Original Message-----
From:	Sandy Adam [SMTP:cbbs@almac.co.uk]
Sent:	Wednesday, January 06, 1999 10:53 AM
To:	Multiple recipients of list
Subject:	Re: Albatros D.II & D.III Oeffag Book

> overall a very good book, with lots of photos (incl. lots of crash
photos,
> for the anti-huns on the list),

No, no, no, Philip, the Austrians weren't Huns. For the enjoyment of real
crashed huns you have to go to the Western Front. The Austrians were lovely
dirndl-and-leather-pant wearing happy-go-lucky bohemians until nasty young
Gavrilo shot the head honcho.
It was only after the 1930s that the Austrians became bigger Nazis than the
Germans!
Sandy
(who has just recently enjoyed watching the Vienna New Year's Day concert
through a cloud of Bucks' Fizz!)


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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:17:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Zivich <mzivich@tardis.svsu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Albatros D.II & D.III Oeffag Book
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.990106140151.14853A-100000@tardis.svsu.edu>

Actually it's interesting to see how many of the A-H pilots were not
Germanic at all.  Think of names like Linke-Crawford, Kiss (Hungarian),
(von) Josipovich, & Navratil (Croatians) & Arrigi for example, not to
mention the many Czechs who served.

I got the JaPo A-H book that I mail- ordered from Canada.  I recommend it
with some reservations.  If you got it for around $16 us that's probably a
good deal.  I paid more to get it sooner, but found I had seen virtually
all of the photos from fellow list members who sent me the Datafiles
some time ago on this subject.  The color reproduc. are very good though,
although you only get side views and no top-side views which would have
been good for wing details.  I found out about one interesting detail that
concerned my modelling interests: no 253 series Alb. Oef. other than the
first few had the distinctive metal engine covering.  Can anyone dispute
this so I won't have to make some hasty changes?  And as prev. mentioned
the translation of the Japo book leaves alot to be desired.

Matt Z.

On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador wrote:

> sandy:
> 
> you are correct--after all, it was the german willhelm "public gaffes a 
> specialty" der zweite that coined the term while sending off the german 
> contingent to battle the boxer rebellion.  demi-huns then, at least the 
> germanic-dominated A-H civil service, eh?
> 
> in all seriousness, i look forward to future, on-topic publications from 
> JaPo, and again recommend the book for its price/content ratio.
> you can find keystone military models, who stock these pubs, at:
> 
> 	http://members.aol.com/keystonemm/
> 
> phillip
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Sandy Adam [SMTP:cbbs@almac.co.uk]
> Sent:	Wednesday, January 06, 1999 10:53 AM
> To:	Multiple recipients of list
> Subject:	Re: Albatros D.II & D.III Oeffag Book
> 
> > overall a very good book, with lots of photos (incl. lots of crash
> photos,
> > for the anti-huns on the list),
> 
> No, no, no, Philip, the Austrians weren't Huns. For the enjoyment of real
> crashed huns you have to go to the Western Front. The Austrians were lovely
> dirndl-and-leather-pant wearing happy-go-lucky bohemians until nasty young
> Gavrilo shot the head honcho.
> It was only after the 1930s that the Austrians became bigger Nazis than the
> Germans!
> Sandy
> (who has just recently enjoyed watching the Vienna New Year's Day concert
> through a cloud of Bucks' Fizz!)
> 
> 


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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 11:13:51 -0800
From: David & Carol Fletcher <dcf@mars.ark.com>
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: T-Zone wasRe: Olympic Model
Message-ID: <3693B5EF.1051@mars.ark.com>

KarrArt@aol.com wrote:

"Ok....here's the path- "X-files" -> strange TV -> Twilight Zone- an
episode about an RFC pilot who flies through a hole in time in his
Nieuport..."

It's been done.  Rent the movie "Biggles" for some time travelling and
Sopwith stuff (along with a Stampe SV4 and a Steerman - but the public
doesn't know!).

Dave Fletcher
dcf@mars.ark.com

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:24:22 EST
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: T-Zone wasRe: Olympic Model
Message-ID: <431cad68.3693b866@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/6/99 11:20:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, dcf@mars.ark.com
writes:

<< KarrArt@aol.com wrote:
 
 "Ok....here's the path- "X-files" -> strange TV -> Twilight Zone- an
 episode about an RFC pilot who flies through a hole in time in his
 Nieuport..."
 
 It's been done.  Rent the movie "Biggles" for some time travelling and
 Sopwith stuff (along with a Stampe SV4 and a Steerman - but the public
 doesn't know!).
 
 Dave Fletcher
 dcf@mars.ark.com
  >>


NoNo!- This  really WAS an actual episode! It predates the Biggles movie by
maybe 25 years or so.
Robert K.

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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 20:07:40 +0000
From: Geoff Smith <geoff-smith@cwcom.net>
To: WWI List posting <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RMS Olympic
Message-ID: <3693C28B.4DD07692@cwcom.net>

Take a look at :

http://www.interlog.com/~anash/olympic.html (taking note of the silly
sod in photo 2. :-)  )

and :

http://home.worldcom.ch/~olicorp/Olympic.html

and also :

http://www.euronet.nl/users/keesree/sisters.htm

and then there's :

http://www.virtualadventuretours.com/titaniclinks.html

but I'll leave wading through that lot to thr really keen.

Geoff


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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:18:09 -0500
From: "David Vosburgh" <dave@vga-graphics.com>
To: <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Whale picture on eBay
Message-ID: <000e01be39b1$ae774800$11d690d0@Pvosburg>

Not in Japan, anyway, as long as you keep your back to traffic!

DV
-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Wright <aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Whale picture on eBay


>Can't you get arrested if you have a "quick squizzy" in public?
>
>-Allan
>
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:12:55 -0800
From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" <herper@willapabay.org>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RMS Olympic Part 2
Message-ID: <001201be39b9$54495e60$9c4ffbce@chris>

Howdy!
First, I want to thank everyone for all the information on this.  I'm not
normally a ship modeler, but I am getting excited about doing this kit now.
Too bad it's not in my usual scale of 1/72...

Now on to the questions.  I've started accumulating a large number of images
from the net, and I have several showing the dazzle paint scheme.  But I
have some questions as to the colors of this scheme.  I know that when the
war broke out, the Olympic was painted gray in New York.  Upon returning to
England, she was painted in the dazzle scheme.  Of course, there is no color
pictures of the Olympic in this scheme, so all I have to go by is black and
white photos and a couple of postcard paintings that I've found.  One of
these postcard paintings shows the Olympic painted yellow or cream, with red
and blue in the dazzle pattern.  The other postcard shows the dazzle scheme
in grays, white, black, and blue, which seems more likely.  I have two
pictures of the Olympic showing a pattern that matches this last postcard
painting (one of the pictures actually shows the same arrangement of troops
on the ship), so I at least know the pattern is close in shape.  But then I
have another picture of the Olympic in a dazzle scheme that doesn't match
either of the other two pictures.  Of the other two pictures, one of them
shows the dazzle paint scheme in a pretty bad state.  Does anyone have any
information on how many times the Olympic was painted, and did the dazzle
paint scheme during WWI have a set number and type of colors, and did this
change during the war?  Also, when they painted ships with a dazzle scheme,
did they leave the bottom in hull red, or was it painted gray?

OK, that's it for now.  I'm going to try and figure out the best way to do
the open promenade deck now.

Chris Banyai-Riepl
Publisher/Editor
Internet Modeler
http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn


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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:20:36 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Cc: "'graham.nash@citicorp.com'" <graham.nash@citicorp.com>
Subject: RE: Caproni Ca.3
Message-ID: <A1654E835D0CD111B0730060B06865CD93F20F@mimhexch.mim.com.au>

Graham

> I have some colour scans that I'm sure came from the web, 
> that confirms
> the existance of a metal console and a wooden floor.  If the original
> poster or anyone else contacts me off-list, I'll e-mail the scans.
> 
> In the meantime I'll try and find the URL!

It's probably

http://pease1.sr.unh.edu

because Charles Harts pics there show this quite clearly. (Incidentally,
the forward section of flooring is actually slats, not solid.  Ooooooh,
now THAT will look cool!)

However, the problem is the flooring aft of the pilots seats and
console, the area between (and maybe under) the fuel tanks. Windsocks
drawings show a cross hatch, like a non slip metal floor which seems
unlikely.  It may be ply though, or slats or maybe he's right and it IS
thin sheet metal (in view of the possibility of leaking fuel, oil etc).

I also have a problem with the fuel tank shape. The drawings make them
look like they reach from just above the floorboards upwards, have a
hemicylindrical top, but are not clear about whether the bottom is
hemicylindrical or flat.  In any case, as drawn, the control runs are an
impossibility except in the unlikely event they go *through* the fuel
tanks.

More pics needed !

Thanks for all ya sniffing mate

Shane

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:35:51 -0600
From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: Caproni Ca.3
Message-ID: <01BE398A.3F572B60.panz-meador@vsti.com>

shane:

i suggest you contact the USAF museum research division at:

	http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/mua.htm

they accept research requests via fax or mail (both fax number and address listed, IIRC).

HTH,

phillip

-----Original Message-----
From:	Shane Weier [SMTP:sdw@qld.mim.com.au]
Sent:	Wednesday, January 06, 1999 3:21 PM
To:	Multiple recipients of list
Subject:	RE: Caproni Ca.3

Graham

> I have some colour scans that I'm sure came from the web, 
> that confirms
> the existance of a metal console and a wooden floor.  If the original
> poster or anyone else contacts me off-list, I'll e-mail the scans.
> 
> In the meantime I'll try and find the URL!

It's probably

http://pease1.sr.unh.edu

because Charles Harts pics there show this quite clearly. (Incidentally,
the forward section of flooring is actually slats, not solid.  Ooooooh,
now THAT will look cool!)

However, the problem is the flooring aft of the pilots seats and
console, the area between (and maybe under) the fuel tanks. Windsocks
drawings show a cross hatch, like a non slip metal floor which seems
unlikely.  It may be ply though, or slats or maybe he's right and it IS
thin sheet metal (in view of the possibility of leaking fuel, oil etc).

I also have a problem with the fuel tank shape. The drawings make them
look like they reach from just above the floorboards upwards, have a
hemicylindrical top, but are not clear about whether the bottom is
hemicylindrical or flat.  In any case, as drawn, the control runs are an
impossibility except in the unlikely event they go *through* the fuel
tanks.

More pics needed !

Thanks for all ya sniffing mate

Shane


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