WWI Digest 1365 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Caproni Ca.3 by "Eli Geher" 2) Re: Olympic Model by SmudgeRIO@aol.com 3) Re: 1910 Book of Airplane Models by KarrArt@aol.com 4) Welcome back wasRe: SE5a Airfoil by KarrArt@aol.com 5) RE: SE5a Airfoil by "Denest, Michael J" 6) Re: SE5a Airfoil by David & Carol Fletcher 7) SV: Sopwith Dolphin by "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E5rten_Tyllstr=F6m?=" 8) RE: Sopwith Dolphin by Shane Weier 9) RE: BM Dolphin & Snipe by Shane Weier 10) Re: Glue by Mike Fletcher 11) Re: Olympic Model by "Brad Gossen" 12) Re: Olympic Model by Suvoroff@aol.com 13) Nieuports by Mike Fletcher 14) Re: Nieuports by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 15) RE: Olympic Model by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 16) Re: Nieuports by Mike Fletcher 17) Re: Olympic Model by "David Vosburgh" 18) RE: Olympic Model by Shane Weier 19) Re: Glue by Dave Watts 20) Re: Olympic Model by Ernest Thomas 21) Re: Olympic Model by "Peter Crow" 22) Re: Olympic Model by "David Vosburgh" 23) Re: Glue by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 24) Re: Glue by "David Vosburgh" 25) Re: Glue by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 26) Re: Glue by KarrArt@aol.com 27) RE: Glue by Shane Weier 28) Re: Caproni Ca.3 by Graham Nash 29) Re: WWI digest 1363 by Denoferth@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:20:22 -0600 From: "Eli Geher" To: Subject: Re: Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: <001301be38cf$c4bda060$496086d0@ELIGEHER> A check through my data base turned up 4 issues of the Air Force Museum Friends Bulletin with photos of the Caproni project. The quality of the reproduction isn't high, but I'll scan them in the next day or so. Proving once again that nothing should ever be thrown away. To answer the specific question that was raised, the floor looks like dark wood (maybe), but there appears to be a metal console between the seats. Eli Geher ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:40:03 EST From: SmudgeRIO@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Olympic Model Message-ID: The most prominent external difference was Titanic and Brittanic had partially enclosed promonade decks, Olympic did not. After Titanic went sinker, new Whellen(?) davits were installed as well as more life boats, double hull and higher watertight bulkheads were also incorperated. There are many books on the three Titans, I don't have them at hand at the moment but if you need their names I can get it to you. Just email me. regards, Smudge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:28:03 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: 1910 Book of Airplane Models Message-ID: <461225f0.369267c3@aol.com> In a message dated 1/3/99 6:55:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, Zulis@aol.com writes: << It is a book, published in 1910, on how to build model planes. It includes photos of the early Wright Flyers, etc. I cant make out the name of the author, but it looks like it may read Jehosaphat Aloyisius Karr ..... hmmmm..... Regards, Dave Z >> I'm not THAT old! I DID have a great grand father named Josephus (true) but somehow I don't think an ex-Confederate soldier-turned mountain man was into model building! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:27:55 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Welcome back wasRe: SE5a Airfoil Message-ID: <2feca629.369267bb@aol.com> In a message dated 1/4/99 5:34:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, Janah@worldnet.att.net writes: << I'm back. Happy Holidays to all. Cyg. >> Welcome back! RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:45:53 -0500 From: "Denest, Michael J" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: SE5a Airfoil Message-ID: <31E6187EA8D0D111ACFE00805FE643DC013306EC@xch-phl-06.he.boeing.com> Is this available somewhere? Mike > ---------- > From: David & Carol Fletcher[SMTP:dcf@mars.ark.com] > Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 1:58 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: SE5a Airfoil > > The 1919 Jane's has detailed German intelligence drawings from > "Luftwaffe", including the airfoil section and the tailplane section, > the spar cross-section, etc. > > Dave Fletcher > dcf@mars.ark.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 12:56:56 -0800 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SE5a Airfoil Message-ID: <36927C98.4FE4@mars.ark.com> Denest, Michael J wrote: "Is this available somewhere?" (The 1919 Jane's has detailed German intelligence drawings from "Luftwaffe", including the airfoil section and the tailplane section, the spar cross-section, etc.) I have a copy, I'll contact you off line. Dave Fletcher dcf@mars.ark.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:49:08 +0100 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E5rten_Tyllstr=F6m?=" To: Subject: SV: Sopwith Dolphin Message-ID: <199901052104.WAA04021@d1o6.telia.com> ---------- > Från: Graham Nash > Till: Multiple recipients of list > Ämne: Re: Sopwith Dolphin > Datum: den 5 januari 1999 09:57 > > > > Shane Weier wrote: > > > > I had the same idea. Searched the last few months of email from the list > > without finding what must have been your post, couldn't find anything, > > and started wondering if I should start one. > > > > Anyone else? Have i already been trumped? > > > > Gin, er.. Rummy...House?...Bingo??...erm... > > Well anyway, I'm showing Blue Max for a Dolphin in 1999, but then I'm > showing Pegasus (Same outfit) for an A-W FK8 in 1998, so what do I know? > > Regarding references for interior shots, I show > > > Aircraft Archive-Aircraft of World War 1 Argus Books,UK* > British Aviation: The Great War and Armistice 1915-19,Putnam & Co,Harald > Penrose > Cross and Cockade Vol 5, No 2,US > Cross and Cockade (GB) Vol 11, No 1 > Early Aircraft Armament, The Aeroplane and the Gun up to 1918,Arms and > Armour Press,Harry Woodman > Over the Front, Vol 5, No 3 > Scale Aircraft Drawings, Air Age Inc. Dan Santich (Ed.) > WW1 Aero - the Journal of the Early Aeroplane, No 109 > > Uncle Sniffy I´ll add on to the above already mentioned since I have it in my bookshelf. Wind in the wire by Mike Vince showing Cole Palens Dolphin from old rheinbeck. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:30:49 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Sopwith Dolphin Message-ID: Sniffy, > Well anyway, I'm showing Blue Max for a Dolphin in 1999, but then I'm > showing Pegasus (Same outfit) for an A-W FK8 in 1998, so what > do I know? > Tell ya what *I* know. It'll never come out unless I start one. Then Aeroclub and Eduard will bring out kits as well, but not until *after* I get too far to drop it. Anyone care to bribe me to start ;-) > Regarding references for interior shots, I show > > > Aircraft Archive-Aircraft of World War 1 Argus Books,UK* > British Aviation: The Great War and Armistice 1915-19,Putnam > & Co,Harald > Penrose > Cross and Cockade Vol 5, No 2,US > Cross and Cockade (GB) Vol 11, No 1 > Early Aircraft Armament, The Aeroplane and the Gun up to 1918,Arms and > Armour Press,Harry Woodman > Over the Front, Vol 5, No 3 > Scale Aircraft Drawings, Air Age Inc. Dan Santich (Ed.) > WW1 Aero - the Journal of the Early Aeroplane, No 109 > Oh great. My database shows zippedy do, and you give me a great long list of refs. Thanks, *IF* I decide on Dolphin over Caproni (or something else, what about a Big Ack?) I'll have to chase these up Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:34:14 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: BM Dolphin & Snipe Message-ID: Sandy, > For your benefit I should say BM will be making a Dolphin and > a Snipe after > the SE5a (both engines) this year. (So don't think about a > Snipe either). > This BTW was two days after I managed to track down another > ByPlanes Snipe vacform!!! Another corollary to Sods Law. "If you don't build a scratchbuild or a crappy vacform, sometimes the difficult and/or expensive acquisition of an obscure kit of considerable vintage and great rarity will suffice to cause a decent kit to be released" Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 13:42:27 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Glue Message-ID: <36928743.AD93DC1D@mars.ark.com> The dissolved plastic trick makes good filler too if you are (really really) patient. I mainly use the small tubes of cement that come with some eastern european and asian kits and they seem to work ok. I recall that useless citrus stuff - part of the charm of thus hobby is all the horrible smells though (Why else would tamiya paints smell so bad?) -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:46:56 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Olympic Model Message-ID: <199901052149.QAA28046@smtp2.globalserve.net> Chris I saw the documentary that Dave mentions. Apparently Mr. Ballard and the artist fellow who did all the underwater illustrations of the Titanic found Britannic in the Mediterranean and then attempted to determine the cause of her sinking. As I recall it was a toss up between mine and torpedo depending on the eye witness account you believe. There was some excellent footage of all three ships and mention was made of how they differed. It may have been a National Geographic production. My great grandfather sailed on Olympic with the 21st Batt.(Cdn) from Halifax in 1915. As he was an old sea dog he was detailed as a lookout. I have the letters he wrote home during the voyage. I believe he was also invalided home on Olympic and brought back two postcards of her in her dazzle scheme. If I can find them I'll try to copy them and send them along. Off to find the letters now it's been many years since I gave them a look and I don't really recall their content. I'll let you know if there's anything of relevant interest in them. Brad ---------- > From: Chris Banyai-Riepl > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Olympic Model > Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 12:19 AM > > Howdy, > Well, I got the Revell kit of the Titanic last month, and I was wondering > what the heck I was going to do with it, when Bob Pearson mentioned "Olympic > in dazzle paint scheme". This immediately elicited a "Yeah, COOL!" from me, > so here I am. Here's what I know about the Titanic. It was a ship that > sunk and they made a sappy love story movie about it. > > OK, so, where should I be looking to find the differences between the > Titanic and the Olympic, and what's out there showing the dazzle scheme on > this ship? I think this would really spruce up the kit a great deal. Also, > is there anything I should know about this kit beforehand? Or more to the > point, things I SHOULDN'T know if I want to actually finish the kit? > > Chris Banyai-Riepl > Publisher/Editor > Internet Modeler > http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:53:37 EST From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Olympic Model Message-ID: <67e6cd95.369289e1@aol.com> Then of course there is the conspiracy theory somebody is peddling that the Olympic and Titanic were swapped and the Titanic (really the Olympic) was deliberately rammed into the iceburg for the insurance payoff... Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 14:02:15 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Nieuports Message-ID: <36928BE7.7CD50625@mars.ark.com> I got the Nieuport book - there was some pretty intense bidding at the last moment and I almost lost it - $73US (ouch) -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:15:47 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuports Message-ID: <19990105.161549.-845037.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:00:54 -0500 (EST) Mike Fletcher writes: >I got the Nieuport book - there was some pretty intense bidding at >the >last moment and I almost lost it - $73US (ouch) Be sure to let us know of the contents! Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:18:58 -0800 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: RE: Olympic Model Message-ID: <000c01be3901$c55b5440$648cded1@chris> Conspiracy? No, it's the truth. Really. But the Titanic didn't ram the iceberg. You see, the iceberg was actually a propeller-driven iceberg ship that was contracted out solely for this purpose. Sort of an iceberg hitman, if you will. It was quite successful throughout its years, and only the advent of radar brought on its demise. One of these days I would like to build a model of that iceberg, but generally by the time you saw it, it was too late... Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Suvoroff@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 1:54 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Olympic Model > > > Then of course there is the conspiracy theory somebody is > peddling that > the Olympic and Titanic were swapped and the Titanic (really the > Olympic) was > deliberately rammed into the iceburg for the insurance payoff... > > Yours, > James D. Gray > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 15:53:12 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuports Message-ID: <3692A5E8.D9C60A73@mars.ark.com> I will be scanning in the whole thing as soon as I get it in my grubby little hands - then it goes in a plastic bag and won't get removed except on special occasions. The price shot from $35 to 74 in the last 15 minutes of bidding, and the last bid wasn't mine - so close! There is also a very nice looking 1911 Blackburn Catalog (Item #51614730), but it is already at $61 and it has three days to run... -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:33:50 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Olympic Model Message-ID: <002801be390c$3cff2ee0$0ed690d0@Pvosburg> I was under the impression that the disguised Olympic/Titanic actually fell afoul of S.M.S. Eisberg, a German raider being developed in secret by the Kaiser which was in reality a cargo ship slathered with plaster of Paris so it would look like an iceberg. I think it had a Friedrichshafen floatplane onboard which was nicknamed "Eisw"urfel", (Icecube) which they used for reconnaissance and beer runs. In the end everybody on board was shot after returning to Kiel because they jumped the gun on WWI by a couple of years and nearly gave the whole thing away, as nearly as I recall... DV -----Original Message----- From: Chris Banyai-Riepl To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 7:30 PM Subject: RE: Olympic Model >Conspiracy? No, it's the truth. Really. But the Titanic didn't ram the >iceberg. You see, the iceberg was actually a propeller-driven iceberg ship >that was contracted out solely for this purpose. Sort of an iceberg hitman, >if you will. It was quite successful throughout its years, and only the >advent of radar brought on its demise. One of these days I would like to >build a model of that iceberg, but generally by the time you saw it, it was >too late... > >Chris > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of >> Suvoroff@aol.com >> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 1:54 PM >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Subject: Re: Olympic Model >> >> >> Then of course there is the conspiracy theory somebody is >> peddling that >> the Olympic and Titanic were swapped and the Titanic (really the >> Olympic) was >> deliberately rammed into the iceburg for the insurance payoff... >> >> Yours, >> James D. Gray >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:42:40 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Olympic Model Message-ID: Dave > I think it had a > Friedrichshafen floatplane > onboard which was nicknamed "Eisw"urfel", (Icecube) which > they used for reconnaissance and beer runs. > Pictures? Profiles? Maybe we could get Bob P to create some. Sounds like a terrific dirama idea to keep RK insane for a little longer - "Eiswu"rfel Lager" Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 19:36:49 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Glue Message-ID: <199901060045.TAA08552@sam.on-net.net> >Dave V. writes, >The "non-sniff" stuff they're selling these days seems a pale shadow of the tube glues of my younger days, and don't feel like having to mix epoxy every time I turn around. I recall that Testors had what they called Professional Modeller Glue, that you had to ask the guy behind the counter for, like you were buying profolactics. We carry the UHU glue line, They make glue commonly called plast, or greenit. Item Nr.99103 .35oz. Super Glue pipette @ $3.25 Item Nr.99115 .67oz. Contact Cement Stick @ $2.50 Item Nr.99120 1.12oz. All-Purpose Glue @ $2.25 Item Nr.99125 .71oz. Plastic Repair Glue @ $1.95 Not a pitch, but OK, maybe it is a pitch. Sorry. Best To All, Dave Watts ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 20:15:07 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Olympic Model Message-ID: <3692C6F7.75A4@bellsouth.net> David Vosburgh wrote: > > I was under the impression that the disguised Olympic/Titanic actually fell > afoul of S.M.S. Eisberg, The S.M.S. Eisberg was only a patsy. Look for evidence on the icey knoll... Mr. X ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 18:41:28 PST From: "Peter Crow" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Olympic Model Message-ID: <19990106024129.3536.qmail@hotmail.com> David wrote... >I was under the impression that the disguised Olympic/Titanic actually fell >afoul of S.M.S. Eisberg, a German raider being developed in secret by the >Kaiser which was in reality a cargo ship slathered with plaster of Paris so >it would look like an iceberg. I think it had a Friedrichshafen floatplane >onboard which was nicknamed "Eisw"urfel", (Icecube) which they used for >reconnaissance and beer runs. > >In the end everybody on board was shot after returning to Kiel because they >jumped the gun on WWI by a couple of years and nearly gave the whole thing >away, as nearly as I recall... > I smell big time bucks.. living here on the outskirts of "Hollyweird". I see the beginnings of a brilliant screenplay.. This will be the movie of 99.. I'll have to get in touch with one of the movers & shakers at FOX and see what he says.. Fellow list member David Sterner are you there???? Thanks David... great idea, I'll try to see that you get some of the credit..;-) P. Crow (historical advisor) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:53:13 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Olympic Model Message-ID: <005901be391f$b4c177e0$0ed690d0@Pvosburg> In lieu of cash, I'll call it even if you get them to make a reunion episode of "The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr." DV (either that or get me a date with Gillian Anderson) -----Original Message----- From: Peter Crow To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 10:51 PM Subject: Re: Olympic Model > I smell big time bucks.. living here on the outskirts of "Hollyweird". >I see the beginnings of a brilliant screenplay.. This will be the movie >of 99.. I'll have to get in touch with one of the movers & shakers at >FOX and see what he says.. Fellow list member David Sterner are you >there???? > > Thanks David... great idea, I'll try to see that you get some of the >credit..;-) > >P. Crow (historical advisor) > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 21:10:54 -0700 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Glue Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990105211054.0070098c@mail> At 09:50 AM 05/01/99 -0500, you wrote: >What's the best old-fashioned tube cement available these days? I've been >using thick/thin CA & MEK, but am realizing that I could use something >substantial with a slow dry time in certain circumstances. The "non-sniff" >stuff they're selling these days seems a pale shadow of the tube glues of my >younger days, and don't feel like having to mix epoxy every time I turn >around. > >BTW, does anybody remember the utterly useless lemon-scented stuff in the >black tube they came out with c. 1972 when the Glue Sniffing Panic first hit >manufacturers? > Vaguely, but I swear by my Testor's non-toxic cement for plastic models, which is also pleasantly lemon-scented. I have been using it for about a year, and while it took a little adjustment and getting used to, I have found it to be a useful item to have around, and superior to the red-label toxic tube cement. Why? It does indeed have a longer curing time, but when cured it is very strong; certainly stronger than most super glue joins. But, precisely because it does cure slower than the regular stuff, it doesn't string AT ALL. I agree about the occassional need for tube glue, but what really ticked me off about it was the heavy stringing, which made affixing small parts a forlorn task. Not anymore. I should point out that I have also switched to Krasel Micro-Weld for my liquid cement, and this is also non-toxic and lemony. Again, slower curing time, which can be touchy sometimes, but the welds, when dry, are at least as strong as Tenax. Why have I done this? Toxic glues are just that: toxic. And they are cumulative. You don't have to deeply sniff this stuff to be harmed by it. When you use it, you can smell it, and if you can smell it, your body is being damaged, however slightly. But, since it is cumulative, the damage builds up over years. The same goes for tube body putties (which I still haven't managed to cut out, but at least I am cutting down on my exposure). Some of you will remember the passing of modeller Geoff Prentice this year. I believe he succumbed to liver cancer, and I seem to recall that this was related to his modelling activities (though I can't confirm this connection). In addition, I know someone who knows the vacuum-form modeller E.R. Staszak, and he too is suffering ill health, which my acquaitance claims is due to a life-time of modelling and breathing toxic vapours. Modelling is fun, but it's not worth your life and health. Dane >Dave V. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:49:49 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Glue Message-ID: <009301be392f$fea49e40$0ed690d0@Pvosburg> Thanks for all the thoughtful replies to my glue question, and your point is well taken, Dane. As someone who once administered the OSHA-mandated saftey program at an autobody shop I can attest to the scary facts of solvent & particle-based toxins. If you don't already, wear a mask, troops. As long as I'm on a "do you remember" kick, I wonder if the "sniffless" glue craze had anything to do with the large-scale Aurora Fok. D.VII kit they came out with around that same time which was held together with Phillips-head screws? For years I thought this was a figment of my sick imagination, but then I saw an ad for it in one of my old comic books that my son and I were looking through not long ago. Did anybody build it? DV -----Original Message----- From: D. Anderson <2814823733@home.com> To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 12:26 AM Subject: Re: Glue >At 09:50 AM 05/01/99 -0500, you wrote: >>What's the best old-fashioned tube cement available these days? I've been >>using thick/thin CA & MEK, but am realizing that I could use something >>substantial with a slow dry time in certain circumstances. The "non-sniff" >>stuff they're selling these days seems a pale shadow of the tube glues of my >>younger days, and don't feel like having to mix epoxy every time I turn >>around. >> >>BTW, does anybody remember the utterly useless lemon-scented stuff in the >>black tube they came out with c. 1972 when the Glue Sniffing Panic first hit >>manufacturers? >> >Vaguely, but I swear by my Testor's non-toxic cement for plastic models, >which is also pleasantly lemon-scented. I have been using it for about a >year, and while it took a little adjustment and getting used to, I have >found it to be a useful item to have around, and superior to the red-label >toxic tube cement. > >Why? It does indeed have a longer curing time, but when cured it is very >strong; certainly stronger than most super glue joins. But, precisely >because it does cure slower than the regular stuff, it doesn't string AT >ALL. I agree about the occassional need for tube glue, but what really >ticked me off about it was the heavy stringing, which made affixing small >parts a forlorn task. Not anymore. > >I should point out that I have also switched to Krasel Micro-Weld for my >liquid cement, and this is also non-toxic and lemony. Again, slower curing >time, which can be touchy sometimes, but the welds, when dry, are at least >as strong as Tenax. > >Why have I done this? Toxic glues are just that: toxic. And they are >cumulative. You don't have to deeply sniff this stuff to be harmed by it. >When you use it, you can smell it, and if you can smell it, your body is >being damaged, however slightly. But, since it is cumulative, the damage >builds up over years. The same goes for tube body putties (which I still >haven't managed to cut out, but at least I am cutting down on my exposure). > >Some of you will remember the passing of modeller Geoff Prentice this year. >I believe he succumbed to liver cancer, and I seem to recall that this was >related to his modelling activities (though I can't confirm this >connection). In addition, I know someone who knows the vacuum-form modeller >E.R. Staszak, and he too is suffering ill health, which my acquaitance >claims is due to a life-time of modelling and breathing toxic vapours. > >Modelling is fun, but it's not worth your life and health. > >Dane > >>Dave V. >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:12:50 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Glue Message-ID: <199901060512.VAA00187@compass.OregonVOS.net> David Vosburgh writes: >As long as I'm on a "do you remember" kick, I wonder if the "sniffless" glue >craze had anything to do with the large-scale Aurora Fok. D.VII kit they >came out with around that same time which was held together with >Phillips-head screws? I don't think so. This kit was originally issued as a pre-built, ready-to-fly, powered flying model in 1962. This preceeded the "glue sniffing scare" by several years, if I recall and, in any case, "glue sniffing" potential would have little relevance to a model which was originally sold in a preassembled, ready-to-fly state. Screws rather than glue have certain advantages in a preassembled model in any case - especially one which is intended to fly (and presumably survive occassional hard impacts with the ground.) The re-issue of this model as a static model kit (with an added scale engine to go where the .049 glow plug job used to fit) was just an attempt by Aurora to squeeze a few extra bucks out of old molds. >For years I thought this was a figment of my sick >imagination, but then I saw an ad for it in one of my old comic books that >my son and I were looking through not long ago. Did anybody build it? Build it? Hell, I don't even remember ever seeing it. There was, incidently, a companion 1/19th scale SE.5 as well which also originated as a prebuilt flying model and was later reissued as a static kit at the same time as the D.VII. I never saw that one either. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:24:00 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Glue Message-ID: <7b0c4422.3692f370@aol.com> In a message dated 1/5/99 8:51:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, dave@vga- graphics.com writes: << As long as I'm on a "do you remember" kick, I wonder if the "sniffless" glue craze had anything to do with the large-scale Aurora Fok. D.VII kit they came out with around that same time which was held together with Phillips-head screws? For years I thought this was a figment of my sick imagination, but then I saw an ad for it in one of my old comic books that my son and I were looking through not long ago. Did anybody build it? DV >> I remembner this kit- I've never had it, but I've seen built ups. The rudder is the tell-tale mark of the genesis of the kit- it's offset. It was originally going to be a control line glow-fuel flier- I don't know where the molds came from, but Aurora marketed it as a regular display model, but the method of screw assembly remained. The anti-glue campaign started at least as early as '63-'64. I've still got a piece of political campaign literature around some place from '63 that's attempting to turn glue sniffing into an issue. Also an old edition of American Modeler ( a flying model mag for you young sprouts) had a cover headline around this time that screamed "Glue Sniffers are Idiots!" I still have a shredded copy of this cover because it had a nifty pic of a Nieuport 11. I was in jr.high school starting in '64 and we had teachers that threatened to report a couple of us model guys because we were heard to use the word "glue" in our recess breaks. It was true hysteria. One teacher didn't know model glue could be used to make things- she thought it was marketed solely to kids to make them high. About 1966, we saw an anti-marijuana film that ended with a kid hallucinating that he could fly and he jumps off a building and lands with a big splat( which of course got big laughs!). After the film we had a discussion and this teacher asked me and some other modelers why would risk that kind of fate just for a few kicks. Explaing to this dim- bulb was useless, and I'm sure somewhere there's record of me being some kind of dope fiend! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:01:49 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Glue Message-ID: RK, > Explaing to this dim- > bulb was useless, and I'm sure somewhere there's record of me > being some kind of dope fiend! > Where did you say you live? ;-) Shane (in staid, conservative, Brisbane. No dope fiends here......maaaaaan..) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:25:48 +0000 From: Graham Nash To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: <199901060926.EAA18571@egate2.citicorp.com> I have some colour scans that I'm sure came from the web, that confirms the existance of a metal console and a wooden floor. If the original poster or anyone else contacts me off-list, I'll e-mail the scans. In the meantime I'll try and find the URL! Uncle Sniffy Eli Geher wrote: > > A check through my data base turned up 4 issues of the Air Force Museum > Friends Bulletin with photos of the Caproni project. The quality of the > reproduction isn't high, but I'll scan them in the next day or so. Proving > once again that nothing should ever be thrown away. > > To answer the specific question that was raised, the floor looks like dark > wood (maybe), but there appears to be a metal console between the seats. > > Eli Geher ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:11:12 EST From: Denoferth@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI digest 1363 Message-ID: No, this is the "father of the Royal Flying Establishment" William Cody. Dennis in new hampshire ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1365 **********************