WWI Digest 1364 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Airplane patent by "Bill Ciciora" 2) Re: Airplane patent by Bob Pearson 3) Re: Airplane patent by Bob Pearson 4) Re: Sopwith Dolphin by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 5) RE: Sopwith Dolphin by Shane Weier 6) RE: Sopwith Dolphin by Bob Pearson 7) Re: Airplane patent by Mike Fletcher 8) RE: Sopwith Dolphin by Shane Weier 9) Rosecal by "John Glaser" 10) RE: Sopwith Dolphin by Mark K Nelson 11) RE: Sopwith Dolphin by Shane Weier 12) Re: Caproni Ca.3 by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 13) RE: Caproni Ca.3 by Shane Weier 14) Olympic Model by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 15) RE: Olympic Model by Shane Weier 16) RE: Olympic Model by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 17) Re: Olympic Model by Mike Fletcher 18) Re: Sopwith Dolphin by Graham Nash 19) Re: Rosecal by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 20) Re: Sopwith Dolphin by "Sandy Adam" 21) Re: BM Dolphin & Snipe by "Sandy Adam" 22) Re: Olympic Model by "David Vosburgh" 23) Re: Olympic Model by Ernest Thomas 24) RE: SE5a Airfoil ( which one is it? ) by "Denest, Michael J" 25) Glue by "David Vosburgh" 26) Re: Glue by Bob Pearson 27) Re: Glue by "richard eaton" 28) Re: Glue by "richard eaton" 29) Re: Caproni Ca.3 by "Eli Geher" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:50:11 -0600 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: Airplane patent Message-ID: Mike wrote: >> The patents were eventually bought out by the US Gov't when they were getting ready for ww2, to reduce their production costs (no idea of exact date - it may have been in Smithsonian Air&Space magazine) << That wouldn't make any sense. Patents give exclusivity for 17 years; certainly the patent had expired by WWII. Bill Ciciora ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:12:54 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Airplane patent Message-ID: <03125426014743@KAIEN.COM> During the 1996 OTF seminar in Washington, one of the talks was on the Wrights and their taking everyone to court and how that crippled the US aviation industry ... sadly I don't recall the speaker or the rest of the talk. Perhaps one of the other members who attended will remember it (Brad, Peter, David, Mike?) Regards, Bob ---------- > From: "Bill Ciciora" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Airplane patent > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:49:41 -0500 (EST) > > Mike wrote: > > >> The patents were eventually bought out by the US Gov't when they were > getting ready for ww2, to reduce their production costs (no idea of exact > date - it may have been in Smithsonian Air&Space magazine) << > > That wouldn't make any sense. Patents give exclusivity for 17 years; > certainly the patent had expired by WWII. > > Bill Ciciora ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:13:21 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Airplane patent Message-ID: <03132180014744@KAIEN.COM> During the 1996 OTF seminar in Washington, one of the talks was on the Wrights and their taking everyone to court and how that crippled the US aviation industry ... sadly I don't recall the speaker or the rest of the talk. Perhaps one of the other members who attended will remember it (Brad, Peter, David, Barry or Mike?) Regards, Bob ---------- > From: "Bill Ciciora" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Airplane patent > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:49:41 -0500 (EST) > > Mike wrote: > > >> The patents were eventually bought out by the US Gov't when they were > getting ready for ww2, to reduce their production costs (no idea of exact > date - it may have been in Smithsonian Air&Space magazine) << > > That wouldn't make any sense. Patents give exclusivity for 17 years; > certainly the patent had expired by WWII. > > Bill Ciciora ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 20:37:24 -0700 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Dolphin Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990104203724.006fccb4@mail> At 09:40 PM 04/01/99 -0500, you wrote: >Gday gang, > >Spent part of last night ignoring my work bench and reading the Sopwith >Dolphin Datafile. > >I occurs to me that it has a simple enough shape to lend itself to >scratchbuilding, and the Datafile gives me a good start on research. I >know of just one 1/48 kit, the Walso Resin which Sandy completed and >posted on the Web site, and it's not available in these parts (nor >possibly at all except by luck) and given Sandys description may be more >trouble than doing it myself. > >So..... No Shane! No! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:59:48 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Sopwith Dolphin Message-ID: Dane says: > No Shane! No! Why the hell not? The last survey listed the Dolphin as the lists most wanted 1/48 kit. My Bristol Fighter managed to scare out two serviceable injection kits in 1/48 from B-M and Aeroclub, so if I just sacrifice some fingertip blood and sweat of my brow on a scratchbuilt Dolphin, at least one kit should appear.... ...just after I passed the point of no return ! ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:06:02 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: Sopwith Dolphin Message-ID: <04060284514844@KAIEN.COM> > > No Shane! No! > > Why the hell not? The last survey listed the Dolphin as the lists most > wanted 1/48 kit. My Bristol Fighter managed to scare out two serviceable > injection kits in 1/48 from B-M and Aeroclub, so if I just sacrifice > some fingertip blood and sweat of my brow on a scratchbuilt Dolphin, at > least one kit should appear.... > > ..just after I passed the point of no return ! ;-) > > Shane Go Shane Go . . . . . An Eduard Dolphin . . . now that would be very welcome Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 20:05:57 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Airplane patent Message-ID: <36918FA5.6A4174D3@mars.ark.com> I just repeated what I recalled - they may have bought them off during ww1, it was a while ago when I read the article, which primarily concerned the massive production build up for ww2 and the attempts afterward to discard the excess. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:08:38 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Sopwith Dolphin Message-ID: Bob > > ..just after I passed the point of no return ! ;-) > > > > Shane > > Go Shane Go . . . . . An Eduard Dolphin . . . now that > would be very welcome > ...Now how is it Matt does that raspberry icon? :-b..... Shane (Who would also be ecstatic to see an Eduard Dolphin, but I don't know if Sod's Law extends past shortrun manufacturers or not) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 22:26:32 -0600 From: "John Glaser" To: "WW1 Mail List" Subject: Rosecal Message-ID: <000001be3863$926f7b90$5a474a0c@jg_notebook> Check out Barry's What's New? on his site. First in new line of custom decals. In Bittner scale. Cool idea Barry. How do they work? - John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:30:05 -0700 From: Mark K Nelson To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Sopwith Dolphin Message-ID: Hello I may be nuts, but.... I'm pretty sure that the last Blue Max kit I got (Halberstadt ClII) came with a page that listed a 1/48 Dolphin for sometime in 1999 - along with the slightly overdue SE5a. Mark >Bob > >> > ..just after I passed the point of no return ! ;-) >> > >> > Shane >> >> Go Shane Go . . . . . An Eduard Dolphin . . . now that >> would be very welcome >> > >..Now how is it Matt does that raspberry icon? :-b..... > >Shane >(Who would also be ecstatic to see an Eduard Dolphin, but I don't know >if Sod's Law extends past shortrun manufacturers or not) ___________________________________________________________________________ Mark Nelson ------------------------ mnelson@powersurfr.com ------------------------ http://plaza.powersurfr.com/mark_nelson ------------------------ Find me working at Kites & Other Delights in West Edmonton Mall http://www.kitesandotherdelights.com ------------------------ Find me in Clan Lord as Marcus Antonius. http://plaza.powersurfr.com/mark_nelson/ClanLord/Clan_Index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:52:51 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Sopwith Dolphin Message-ID: Mark, > I may be nuts, but.... > > I'm pretty sure that the last Blue Max kit I got (Halberstadt > ClII) came with a page that listed a 1/48 Dolphin for sometime in 1999 - > along with the slightly overdue SE5a. > I had the same idea. Searched the last few months of email from the list without finding what must have been your post, couldn't find anything, and started wondering if I should start one. Anyone else? Have i already been trumped? Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:05:39 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: <199901050505.VAA09498@compass.OregonVOS.net> Shane writes: >Does anyone live nearby the USAF Museum, or plan a trip there sometime >soon AND have enough of an "in" with the management to get a couple of >closeup shots? >I'd *really* love a photograph taken from beside the pilots ear, on the >aircarft centreline looking down and back into the central gondola of >the Ca.3. Also any shot which shows the area behind the pilots seat, >low down at the level of the fuel tank mounts. And finally, any other >detail shots of the engines, engine mounts and cockpits. You might see if you can find a copy of Windsock V.6, No. 6 (Nov/Dec 1990) - it has contemporary photographs very close to what you are looking for on the interiors. I'd offer to loan you mine but I think Australia is a bit further than I wish to trust the mails. >Not much huh? Though as a first cut, can anyone tell me what of what >material the "floor" between the fuel tanks is made. The Windsock plans >have a tread pattern drawn on them suggesting it's metal, but that >sounds rather heavy to me. The "cut-away" drawing reproduced in Nov/Dec 1990 Windsock shows this floor as wood - for what that might be worth. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:14:34 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: Bill > You might see if you can find a copy of Windsock V.6, No. 6 (Nov/Dec > 1990) - it has contemporary photographs very close to what you are > looking for on the interiors. I'd offer to loan you mine but I > think Australia is a bit further than I wish to trust the mails. > I have this issue, which is the one where I recalled the "metal tread pattern" being shown in the drawings > The "cut-away" drawing reproduced in Nov/Dec 1990 Windsock shows this > floor as wood - for what that might be worth. ...which makes me wonder whether my memory is the second thing to fail. Wood makes sense however. Mmm. The drawings and photos are a bit unhelpfull about the shape of the bottom of the fuel tanks and any mounting hardware for them. In particular, I have a problem resolving the lines drawn for the control runs which seem to go *through* the bottom half of the tanks as shown in the drawings in that issue (on an admittedly cursory inspection). I'm getting rather closer to deciding on a Caproni for my next scratchbuild effort. Maybe the Dolphin is already overtaken by an injection kit - and I don't care how many expensive resins come out for the Caproni ! Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:18:16 -0800 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Olympic Model Message-ID: <002c01be386a$cc6ee0e0$708cded1@chris> Howdy, Well, I got the Revell kit of the Titanic last month, and I was wondering what the heck I was going to do with it, when Bob Pearson mentioned "Olympic in dazzle paint scheme". This immediately elicited a "Yeah, COOL!" from me, so here I am. Here's what I know about the Titanic. It was a ship that sunk and they made a sappy love story movie about it. OK, so, where should I be looking to find the differences between the Titanic and the Olympic, and what's out there showing the dazzle scheme on this ship? I think this would really spruce up the kit a great deal. Also, is there anything I should know about this kit beforehand? Or more to the point, things I SHOULDN'T know if I want to actually finish the kit? Chris Banyai-Riepl Publisher/Editor Internet Modeler http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:27:17 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Olympic Model Message-ID: Chris, > It was a ship that > sunk and they made a sappy love story movie about it. > Two movies (at least). One good one, one instantly forgetable if SFX isn't the only reason to watch movies. Just can't get my mind aroun a guy who looks underage and that old broad (and I *don't* mean in the "present" scenes) > OK, so, where should I be looking to find the differences between the > Titanic and the Olympic, Lifeboats for one thing But I'm no shippy, ask Mr Lorna ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:30:19 -0800 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: RE: Olympic Model Message-ID: <002d01be386c$7bb58670$708cded1@chris> > Lifeboats for one thing > What, they put more lifeboats on the Olympic? I wonder what brought that about? ;-) Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 22:51:39 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Olympic Model Message-ID: <3691B67B.7109654A@mars.ark.com> There was three ships in the class - the first, Olympic operated from 1911 to 1935, and was used as a troopship in dazzle camouflage. Olympic was known as 'old reliable' and was responsible for sinking U.103(1918), the Nantucket light ship 117 (1935), badly damaged the cruiser HMS Hawk(1911) and the liner Fort St George(1924), was attacked on two other occasions by subs, and once by an aircraft operating from Bulgaria. It also assisted in taking off survivors from the sinking HMS Audacious and made an unsuccessful attempt at towing that ship back to port. In addition, Olympic was involved in the early use of aircraft to speed mail delivery (mail bags were dropped to the ship as it was leaving harbour). The last of the trio was the Britannic, which was lost while on active duty as a hospital ship in the Agean after only 1000 days afloat - but it was heavily modified with massive boat davits, and extra superstructure aft. It was white, with buff funnels, had a green stripe around it broken with the 3 large red crosses on each side. It was found and visited by Jacques Cousteau shortly after the Titanic was found. It sank while steaming at full ahead with a heavy list after hitting a mine - many boats were destroyed as they were drawn into the propellers in sight of land. Fortunately losses were light as it was almost empty at the time. After the Olympic had been completed it was decided to close in part of the first class promenade - so the most visible difference would be a difference in window sizes running along the top of the superstructure - on the Olympic they were all the same size while Titanic and Britannic had two sizes with the change occuring about half way back. The larger openings in the aft part of the ship were not glassed in. On the Olympic it gives the appearance of a dark band running the length of the superstructure, which is truncated on the Titanic. This difference accounted for the increase in dimensions of the Titanic over the Olympic - it was a few tons heavier and sat a little lower in the water - and was hence was a few inches longer. After the Titanic sinking, the Olympic was modified with double sides - added on the inside I belive as I have seen no visible external differences, and extra lifeboats, which filled in the the break between the forward 4 and the aft 4 on each side, and each davit held 2 boats instead of 1. (extra collapsables were added under each normal boat) When the war started it was held in mothballs until they decided what to do with it then it took 10 months to do the convesion work and it re-entered service in late 1915. Modifications were made to hold still more boats but from the pictures I have it is impossible to tell how many but it is more than 76. Also 2 guns were added - a 12 pounder forward beside the mast, and a 4.7 aft. In 1917 that was beefed up with 6 6inch guns - no idea if that was in addition or a replacement for the previous weapons. Also the dazzle scheme was modified at least twice. -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ (Sorry for the long winded response - the Titanic was my other obsession before Nieuports took over) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 08:57:53 +0000 From: Graham Nash To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Sopwith Dolphin Message-ID: <199901050858.DAA28197@egate2.citicorp.com> Shane Weier wrote: > > I had the same idea. Searched the last few months of email from the list > without finding what must have been your post, couldn't find anything, > and started wondering if I should start one. > > Anyone else? Have i already been trumped? > Gin, er.. Rummy...House?...Bingo??...erm... Well anyway, I'm showing Blue Max for a Dolphin in 1999, but then I'm showing Pegasus (Same outfit) for an A-W FK8 in 1998, so what do I know? Regarding references for interior shots, I show Aircraft Archive-Aircraft of World War 1 Argus Books,UK* British Aviation: The Great War and Armistice 1915-19,Putnam & Co,Harald Penrose Cross and Cockade Vol 5, No 2,US Cross and Cockade (GB) Vol 11, No 1 Early Aircraft Armament, The Aeroplane and the Gun up to 1918,Arms and Armour Press,Harry Woodman Over the Front, Vol 5, No 3 Scale Aircraft Drawings, Air Age Inc. Dan Santich (Ed.) WW1 Aero - the Journal of the Early Aeroplane, No 109 Uncle Sniffy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 04:52:18 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Rosecal Message-ID: <19990105.045231.-839919.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:25:57 -0500 (EST) "John Glaser" writes: >Check out Barry's What's New? on his site. First in new line of >custom >decals. In Bittner scale. > >Cool idea Barry. How do they work? The idea is to lay down the black decal first, then the radiator over it. Since in 1/72nd radiators would be quite thin, I can see where this would be beneficial. Plus, you don't have to worry about if the radiator was over the center-line, or off to one side (like Albatros D.III's). Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:56:46 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Sopwith Dolphin Message-ID: <199901051154.LAA13796@beryl.sol.co.uk> Take note though Shane that there will be a Blue Max Dolphin later this year. I used the Datafile as primary source - you'll notice though the bewildering number of different cockpit layouts on different marks. Other sources were Harleyford Sopwith book and Vintage Warbirds Sopwith book - but I don't think, from memory, there was much interior stuff here. Sandy > > Gday gang, > > Spent part of last night ignoring my work bench and reading the Sopwith > Dolphin Datafile. > > I occurs to me that it has a simple enough shape to lend itself to > scratchbuilding, and the Datafile gives me a good start on research. I > know of just one 1/48 kit, the Walso Resin which Sandy completed and > posted on the Web site, and it's not available in these parts (nor > possibly at all except by luck) and given Sandys description may be more > trouble than doing it myself. > > So..... > > Anyone have further references above and beyond Datafile 54 and Profile > 169 - I have both. > > Particularly necessary, more cockpit shots. As Sandy notes, there's an > awful lot of space visible, and the Dolphins cockpit was busier than > most. > > Sandy? > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:05:19 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: BM Dolphin & Snipe Message-ID: <199901051203.MAA14050@beryl.sol.co.uk> After sending the last reply Shane I then read the rest of the messages about the BM Dolphin. Sir, I must confess, it was I who wrote in Ocober about the new BM releases. At the UK Nats, Chris Gannon was giving out a flier listing all their new 1999/2000 release. I reprinted it, re Pegasus, for Matt some time later. For your benefit I should say BM will be making a Dolphin and a Snipe after the SE5a (both engines) this year. (So don't think about a Snipe either). This BTW was two days after I managed to track down another ByPlanes Snipe vacform!!! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 07:42:04 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Olympic Model Message-ID: <002f01be38a8$ccf4a980$10d690d0@Pvosburg> This thread reminds me of a t-shirt I saw recently in some goofy catalog. No pictures or anything, all it said was "The boat sank. Get over it." In re: Olympic, there was a show on the History Channel recently (within the past four months, I think) on the Brittanic, at least. It may have been a multi-part effort on the Titanic with asides on the Olympic/Brittanic duo, I can't recall clearly. I can see if my brother has it on tape, since he's been somewhat of a Titanic nut for years. Dave V. DV -----Original Message----- From: Chris Banyai-Riepl To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 1:39 AM Subject: RE: Olympic Model >> Lifeboats for one thing >> >What, they put more lifeboats on the Olympic? I wonder what brought that >about? ;-) > >Chris > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 06:45:29 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Olympic Model Message-ID: <36920969.5C1A@bellsouth.net> David Vosburgh wrote: > > This thread reminds me of a t-shirt I saw recently in some goofy catalog. No > pictures or anything, all it said was "The boat sank. Get over it." Funny! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 08:05:00 -0500 From: "Denest, Michael J" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: SE5a Airfoil ( which one is it? ) Message-ID: <31E6187EA8D0D111ACFE00805FE643DC013306E7@xch-phl-06.he.boeing.com> Go to http://amber.aae.uiuc.edu/~m-selig/ads/coord_database.html. Select "R" and you will find the RAF 15 airfoil. Mike > ---------- > From: cameron rile[SMTP:cameron@prontomail.com] > Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 5:11 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: SE5a Airfoil ( which one is it? ) > > Mike, > > I found the Uiuc airfoil site at: > > http://amber.aae.uiuc.edu/~m-selig/ads.html > > but couldnt find the SE5a airfoil. Which one is it? Have i got the right > site? > > cam > > > Visit my homepage at http://www.prontomail.com/Prontomail/users/cameron > ______________________________________________________________ > Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:51:21 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: "WWI Mailing List" Subject: Glue Message-ID: <000801be38ba$dc45ff80$13d690d0@Pvosburg> What's the best old-fashioned tube cement available these days? I've been using thick/thin CA & MEK, but am realizing that I could use something substantial with a slow dry time in certain circumstances. The "non-sniff" stuff they're selling these days seems a pale shadow of the tube glues of my younger days, and don't feel like having to mix epoxy every time I turn around. BTW, does anybody remember the utterly useless lemon-scented stuff in the black tube they came out with c. 1972 when the Glue Sniffing Panic first hit manufacturers? Dave V. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 07:46:20 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Glue Message-ID: <15462007315638@KAIEN.COM> I swear by Faller Plastik Cement. I got a small 25g bottle of it over ten years ago and it is still going strong. Since my return to modelling, all of them have been built using a combination of this, Testors liquid cement and whatever brand of CA I have on hand this month. The Faller cement comes in a white plastic bottle and has a long metal tube attached that allows just a small drop to be applied. Sadly I was informed around 8 years ago that my local plastic pusher is now unable to acquire anymore of it due to some regulation about sending hazardous material through the post. But if anyone comes across it I would a) recommend you try it and b) ask that you please buy me some. Regards, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 aviation page at http://www.kaien.com/~bpearson/Index.htm Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/ ---------- > From: "David Vosburgh" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Glue > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:50:43 -0500 (EST) > > What's the best old-fashioned tube cement available these days? I've been > using thick/thin CA & MEK, but am realizing that I could use something > substantial with a slow dry time in certain circumstances. The "non-sniff" > stuff they're selling these days seems a pale shadow of the tube glues of my > younger days, and don't feel like having to mix epoxy every time I turn > around. > > BTW, does anybody remember the utterly useless lemon-scented stuff in the > black tube they came out with c. 1972 when the Glue Sniffing Panic first hit > manufacturers? > > Dave V. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:24:54 -0600 From: "richard eaton" To: Subject: Re: Glue Message-ID: <199901051640.KAA20029@sierra.onr.com> Yes I remember the citrus stuff. Useless. I began using Faller Expert and never looked back. It is not as thick as tube but not quite as liquid as the runny testors etc. Of course there is the old trick of dissolving clear styrene in liquid cement until you reach your preferred consistency. Richard ---------- > From: David Vosburgh > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Glue > Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 8:50 AM > > What's the best old-fashioned tube cement available these days? I've been > using thick/thin CA & MEK, but am realizing that I could use something > substantial with a slow dry time in certain circumstances. The "non-sniff" > stuff they're selling these days seems a pale shadow of the tube glues of my > younger days, and don't feel like having to mix epoxy every time I turn > around. > > BTW, does anybody remember the utterly useless lemon-scented stuff in the > black tube they came out with c. 1972 when the Glue Sniffing Panic first hit > manufacturers? > > Dave V. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:44:03 -0600 From: "richard eaton" To: Subject: Re: Glue Message-ID: <199901051643.KAA20927@sierra.onr.com> My local shop has Faller now. They have problems getting it from time to time too. Let me know and I can pick up some. Richard Austin ---------- > From: Bob Pearson > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Glue > Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 9:44 AM > > > I swear by Faller Plastik Cement. I got a small 25g bottle of it over ten > years ago and it is still going strong. Since my return to modelling, all of > them have been built using a combination of this, Testors liquid cement and > whatever brand of CA I have on hand this month. > > The Faller cement comes in a white plastic bottle and has a long metal tube > attached that allows just a small drop to be applied. Sadly I was informed > around 8 years ago that my local plastic pusher is now unable to acquire > anymore of it due to some regulation about sending hazardous material > through the post. But if anyone comes across it I would a) recommend you > try it and b) ask that you please buy me some. > > > Regards, > Bob Pearson > > Visit my WW1 aviation page at > http://www.kaien.com/~bpearson/Index.htm > > Managing Editor / Internet Modeler > http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/ > > > ---------- > > From: "David Vosburgh" > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Glue > > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:50:43 -0500 (EST) > > > > What's the best old-fashioned tube cement available these days? I've been > > using thick/thin CA & MEK, but am realizing that I could use something > > substantial with a slow dry time in certain circumstances. The "non-sniff" > > stuff they're selling these days seems a pale shadow of the tube glues of > my > > younger days, and don't feel like having to mix epoxy every time I turn > > around. > > > > BTW, does anybody remember the utterly useless lemon-scented stuff in the > > black tube they came out with c. 1972 when the Glue Sniffing Panic first > hit > > manufacturers? > > > > Dave V. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:57:59 -0600 From: "Eli Geher" To: Subject: Re: Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: <004201be38cc$a2b976e0$6f6086d0@ELIGEHER> I've tried to photograph the Air Force Museum Caproni on several visits, without much success. Both the placement of the aircraft and the lighting in the museum are working against the photographer. As far as getting anything of the cockpit, theres no way short of getting special authorization from the curator. On the other hand, a request to the museum's excellent research library might get what you want. I'm sure that pictures were taken during the restoration. I don't have their web address bookmarked, but they are definitely online. Eli Geher ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1364 **********************