WWI Digest 1363 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Slightly Off Topic - SPAD 12 by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 2) Re: Slightly Off Topic - SPAD 12 by "David Vosburgh" 3) Re: Useless question by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 4) EBAY Item #53001064 by Mike Fletcher 5) New Year Freebies by Graham Nash 6) Re: New Year Freebies by Ernest Thomas 7) Re: Latest FAQ by "Allan Wright" 8) Re: WWI digest 1362 by Denoferth@aol.com 9) Re:List BBQ by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 10) SE5a Airfoil by "Denest, Michael J" 11) RE: SE5a Airfoil by "Diego Fernetti" 12) RE: SE5a Airfoil by "Denest, Michael J" 13) Re: SE5a Airfoil by Bob Pearson 14) RE: SE5a Airfoil by "Denest, Michael J" 15) Binders by Bob Pearson 16) Re: SE5a Airfoil by David & Carol Fletcher 17) RE: SE5a Airfoil by "Denest, Michael J" 18) RE: SE5a Airfoil by Bob Pearson 19) New Images on the Web Page by Allan Wright 20) RE: SE5a Airfoil ( which one is it? ) by "cameron rile" 21) Re: Slightly Off Topic - SPAD 12 by Pedro e Francisca Soares 22) Re: SE5a Airfoil by Pedro e Francisca Soares 23) RE: SE5a Airfoil by Shane Weier 24) Re: SE5a Airfoil by "Sandy Adam" 25) Re: WWI digest 1362 by REwing@aol.com 26) Re: Binders by "David Vosburgh" 27) Re: WWI digest 1362 by Mike Fletcher 28) Re: SE5a Airfoil by John & Allison Cyganowski 29) Caproni Ca.3 by Shane Weier 30) Nieuport Kits by Mike Fletcher 31) Sopwith Dolphin by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 20:46:24 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Slightly Off Topic - SPAD 12 Message-ID: <199901040446.UAA29817@compass.OregonVOS.net> Eric writes: > >Some one asked me a question at Christmas about the SPAD 12. I did not >know the answer so I thought I would ask it here. The 37mm cannon which >was carried onboard as the main weapon: What sort of ammunition was this >weapon using? Was it an AP round or an HE round (or APHE, or something >else?). I thought it would be just a standard armor piercing projectile or >a slug. >Does anyone know this? My references refer to the cannon as "a shell firing gun" which would seem to indicate some sort of HE round. Considering the amount of armor available on aircraft of that era, armor-piercing ammunition would scarcely be reguired. As the difficulties with hand-reloading the cannon estentially limited the aircraft to one cannon round per flight, an explosive round is really the only thing which makes any sense - there are an extremely small number of places on an aircraft where a single hole - even a 37mm single hole - is likely to do fatal damage. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 00:00:25 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Slightly Off Topic - SPAD 12 Message-ID: <03ab01be379f$25c75220$2ed690d0@Pvosburg> Eric: The French supposedly made one for David Putnam, but after his death it went to Maj. Chas. J. Biddle of the U.S. 13th Aero Squdn.. He describes it as "a most murderous weapon of a gun... if I ever hit a Boche with it he should come down in small pieces." A footnote in CJB's "Fighting Airman: The Way of the Eagle" explains that it "fired two kinds of ammunition, one like a huge shotgun cartridge loaded with a lot of slugs, and the other a combination incendiary and high-explosive shell, which would explode on contact with any part of an aeroplane." The theory being that you only had to hit a wingtip or fin to demolish the whole plane. Guynemer, Fonck, and Deullin used them, and according to the Harleyford Fighters book there were 300 made. I seem to recall reading somewhere else that one of the big drawbacks to the type was the fact that the cockpit filled with fumes every time you fired it. Can't imagine that the recoil had too great an effect on the airframe, either. FWIW, the SPAD 14 floatplane carried the same armament. Regards, Dave V. -----Original Message----- From: Eric Hotz To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, January 04, 1999 12:02 AM Subject: Slightly Off Topic - SPAD 12 >Some one asked me a question at Christmas about the SPAD 12. I did not >know the answer so I thought I would ask it here. The 37mm cannon which >was carried onboard as the main weapon: What sort of ammunition was this >weapon using? Was it an AP round or an HE round (or APHE, or something >else?). I thought it would be just a standard armor piercing projectile or >a slug. > >Does anyone know this? > > > >Eric Hotz >(erichotz@direct.ca) > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:00:13 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Useless question Message-ID: <199901040500.VAA03288@compass.OregonVOS.net> >Ok archivists of the arcane: As I understand it, the Wrights had a patent >on wing warping as a means of roll control. Did Morane Saulnier and other >companies who produced designs incorporating wing warping pay the Wrights >royalties? >Wandering mind wants to know "wandering minds"? The Franklin Institute is running a Wright Brothers virtual exhibit in connection with its current exhibit of Wright papers and memorabilia. Find the answer to this question and many more at: http://sln.fi.edu/tfi/welcome.html Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Cave ab homine unius librum." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 21:04:09 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: EBAY Item #53001064 Message-ID: <368EFA49.857C7F4A@mars.ark.com> 2 renwal kits currently for 5.50+ - Bristol F2B and Fokker D.VII if anyone is interested. I am Nieuport29 and am currently bidding on an early Nieuport catalog - if I get it I will provide scans to anyone intersted. (but pls don't bid against me) -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 12:42:52 +0000 From: Graham Nash To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: New Year Freebies Message-ID: <199901041243.HAA05313@egate2.citicorp.com> I have two unwanted magazines, which I am offering free to list members Air Enthusiast Quarterly No 75 Articles Pioneering the Pacific (Sikorsky S-42 flying boats) High Flying Exotica (P-38, DH Hornet and Mosquito) Portuguese Numerology High Winged Workhorses (Do 27 in FAP Service) Triple-One Lineage (He 111) Philippine Front Line (P-51D in Philippine Service) Northrop's Connection (A-17 attack a/c) Young Turks (Part 2 of the Turkish A/F articles -ON TOPIC) and Scale Aircraft Modelling Volume 20 No. 4, June 1998 Highlight Articles R.A.F S.E.5a (16 pages inc. 6 of colour profiles) Airline Liveries (Il-76) Bristol F.2B (2 pages,,inc. 3 view and 2 colour profiles) Under the Hood (Westland Wessex HAS.3) Checkerboard Camel (3 pages Blue Max Camel build) Building a Bloch (4 pages JMGT Bloch 155 C1) Contact me off-list if interested. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:28:29 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: New Year Freebies Message-ID: <3690C1FD.5B44@bellsouth.net> Graham Nash wrote: > Contact me off-list if interested. me me me... Off to work right now, I'll get back to you off list tonight. Thanks. E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:00:33 -0500 From: "Allan Wright" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Latest FAQ Message-ID: <9901041000.ZM7715@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Thanks for the update MAtt - it's on-line now. -Allan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:56:12 EST From: Denoferth@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI digest 1362 Message-ID: In a message dated 1/3/99 11:37:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: > The Wrights had a patent on wing warping as a means of roll control.> Sometime in the '50's I read an article claiming one William Cody passed on to the Wright's the theory of wing-warping he had discovered while observing hawks soaring. It seems he had been reared on his fathers' ranch in the western USA and employed the obligatory Chinese cook who taught the young Cody the art of kit flying. After the visit with the Wright's he traveled to England and founded the Royal Aircraft Company. Dennis in New Hampshire ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 03:33:39 -0800 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: Re:List BBQ Message-ID: <3691F893.28B729B3@tac.com.au> Oh my, oh my, oh my. Turn my back for a second and you guys are organising??? a rather large party. With RED WINE and LISTMEMBERS and RHINEBECK!!!! :-0!!! Please tell me more as we are also planning a trip that year and we would love to see any of the wonderful people on this list. But now the possibility of meeting a whole bunch in one place. OH MY!! With alcohol, models, planes and food (not to mention Robert's 'gators) All the hallmarks of a travelling natural disaster. In the US does disaster relief pay for damages or will they pay it TO us to move to another state?? If that doesn't work I suppose we could always use Bob's "special" currency. Have to build more models to make the time go faster Lorna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:11:36 -0500 From: "Denest, Michael J" To: "'Multiple recipients of list'" Subject: SE5a Airfoil Message-ID: <31E6187EA8D0D111ACFE00805FE643DC013306DF@xch-phl-06.he.boeing.com> I've been off the list for a while and just recently logged back on. I've started to put together documentation on the SE5a. So far I have the Signal book, the SE5 and 5a Profiles and several articles on the airplane. I also have Jim Kiger's excellent drawings (WOW!!!!!!) as well. I have been planning for some time to start construction of a full size repro. I wanted to start with the wing ribs as it seems to be the easiest to do for now. The Replicraft drawings show airfoil coordinates, unfortunately they are not accurate enough to use. Also the airfoil is not identified. Some research on the UIUC website has an RAF15 airfoil which I downloaded. The profile looks similar to the airfoil section used. However, before I embark on this grand experiment, I wanted to query the list members on the airfoil section used. Nowhere (at least in my documentation) is the airfoil specified. Are the Hafner drawings available? I purchased some recent copies of WWI Aero and did not see any information. I have the sheets published in WWI Aero but would like to purchase the set. One more item.....is anyone aware of any full size repro's being built and if there is a builders network? Well, for being away, I've certainly jumped in with both feet! Happy New Year to all! Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:23:32 -0200 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: SE5a Airfoil Message-ID: <001001be37fe$92e2a3a0$4640a8c0@prens-001.ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> -----Mensaje original----- De: Denest, Michael J Para: Multiple recipients of list Fecha: Lunes 4 de Enero de 1999 3:12 PM Asunto: SE5a Airfoil >One more item.....is anyone aware >of any full size repro's being built and if there is a builders network >Mike > Welcome back from an (almost) new member. Last year, when I was in the Intrepid Museum in NYC I was allowed to shot some detail pictures of the replica that they have there (radiator shutters, undercarriage, cockpit, etc). Tomorrow I'll scan some of these and send them to you off list, if you're interested. Diego Fernetti ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:38:09 -0500 From: "Denest, Michael J" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: SE5a Airfoil Message-ID: <31E6187EA8D0D111ACFE00805FE643DC013306E1@xch-phl-06.he.boeing.com> Thank you Diego, it is certainly appreciated. Mike > ---------- > From: Diego Fernetti[SMTP:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 12:24 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: SE5a Airfoil > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Denest, Michael J > Para: Multiple recipients of list > Fecha: Lunes 4 de Enero de 1999 3:12 PM > Asunto: SE5a Airfoil > > > >One more item.....is anyone aware > >of any full size repro's being built and if there is a builders network > >Mike > > > > > Welcome back from an (almost) new member. > Last year, when I was in the Intrepid Museum in NYC I was allowed to shot > some detail pictures of the replica that they have there (radiator > shutters, > undercarriage, cockpit, etc). Tomorrow I'll scan some of these and send > them > to you off list, if you're interested. > > Diego Fernetti > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:56:12 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: SE5a Airfoil Message-ID: <17561232113541@KAIEN.COM> Mike, There is a group of builders called the SE5a Squadron and they have a newsletter published from time-to-time in WW1 Aero. Send a letter to WW1 Aero and ask Leo to place it in the help wanted section . . . that was where I hooked up with FMP :-) One other source I would recommend is the SE5a File by Air-Britain Regards, Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:03:11 -0500 From: "Denest, Michael J" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: SE5a Airfoil Message-ID: <31E6187EA8D0D111ACFE00805FE643DC013306E2@xch-phl-06.he.boeing.com> Thanks Bob, I forgot about Air Britian. I'll contact them and Leo (gotta renew my membership!). Mike > ---------- > From: Bob Pearson[SMTP:bpearson@kaien.com] > Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 12:53 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: SE5a Airfoil > > > Mike, > > There is a group of builders called the SE5a Squadron and they have a > newsletter published from time-to-time in WW1 Aero. Send a letter to WW1 > Aero and ask Leo to place it in the help wanted section . . . that was > where > I hooked up with FMP :-) > > One other source I would recommend is the SE5a File by Air-Britain > > Regards, > Bob > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:51:03 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Binders Message-ID: <18510381313699@KAIEN.COM> Greetings all, I am hoping someone here may be able to help me. As many of you are aware all of my WW1 profiles are on 5x8 file cards and are stored in special file card binders. 10 years ago I bought out all the stock my local stationary store could acquire of these (38) .. supposedly they tried other suppliers in BC and Alberta as well and had no luck. I would like to start placing my new off-topic profiles in similiar binders and just spent a couple of hours doing an internet search and could come up with nothing. The binders I am interested in are produced by Dennison National Co. of Holyoke, MA 01041 and are product No. 08-188. Thanks, Bob Pearson Visit my WW1 aviation page at http://www.kaien.com/~bpearson/Index.htm Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 10:54:44 -0800 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SE5a Airfoil Message-ID: <36910E74.5827@mars.ark.com> Denest, Michael J wrote: "I wanted to query the list members on the airfoil section used." The 1919 Jane's has detailed German intelligence drawings from "Luftwaffe", including the airfoil section and the tailplane section, the spar cross-section, etc. Dave Fletcher dcf@mars.ark.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:39:18 -0500 From: "Denest, Michael J" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: SE5a Airfoil Message-ID: <31E6187EA8D0D111ACFE00805FE643DC013306E3@xch-phl-06.he.boeing.com> Bob, Do you have an address for this website? TIA Mike > One other source I would recommend is the SE5a File by Air-Britain > > Regards, > Bob > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:24:43 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: SE5a Airfoil Message-ID: <20244302413910@KAIEN.COM> Mike, They can be found at www.air-britain.com Bob ---------- > From: "Denest, Michael J" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: SE5a Airfoil > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:39:23 -0500 (EST) > > Bob, > Do you have an address for this website? TIA > Mike > > > > One other source I would recommend is the SE5a File by Air-Britain > > > > Regards, > > Bob > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:04:23 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: New Images on the Web Page Message-ID: <199901042104.QAA09517@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hi All, Jim Alley gave me 4 new images for his section of the images page. They're at the bottom of the page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Alley/ Enjoy! -Al P.S. Thanks Jim! =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:11:05 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: SE5a Airfoil ( which one is it? ) Message-ID: <199901041414561@cameron.prontomail.com> Mike, I found the Uiuc airfoil site at: http://amber.aae.uiuc.edu/~m-selig/ads.html but couldnt find the SE5a airfoil. Which one is it? Have i got the right site? cam Visit my homepage at http://www.prontomail.com/Prontomail/users/cameron ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 23:40:32 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Slightly Off Topic - SPAD 12 Message-ID: <36915170.1759BF8@mail.telepac.pt> Bill Shatzer wrote: > Eric writes: > The 37mm cannon which > >was carried onboard as the main weapon: snip > My references refer to the cannon as "a shell firing gun" which would > seem to indicate some sort of HE round. Considering the amount of > armor available on aircraft of that era, armor-piercing ammunition > would scarcely be reguired. > As the difficulties with hand-reloading the cannon estentially limited > the aircraft to one cannon round per flight, Bill, Eric, According to Phillipe Osche - Les avions de Guynemer -there was place inside the cockpit in the Spad Canon for 12 shells (Obus in French) for the Hotchkiss canon. Guynemer would shoot more than one round per flight as per example on July, 28, 1917 when he downed a D.F.W with 2 canon shots and 30 machine gun rounds. Guyenemer said that after shooting the canon we would execute a "renversement" so that he could load the canon calmly. > an explosive round is > really the only thing which makes any sense - there are an extremely > small number of places on an aircraft where a single hole - even > a 37mm single hole - is likely to do fatal damage. Yes, quoting from the same book: "On the 27th he downs a Albatros 220HP with a shell and 8 machine gun rounds. The german aircraft is literaly pulverised by the 37mm shell" Just happened to have the book at hand.... so HTH :-) Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 23:41:29 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SE5a Airfoil Message-ID: <369151A9.DF3EA152@mail.telepac.pt> "Denest, Michael J" wrote: > One more item.....is anyone aware > of any full size repro's being built and if there is a builders network? > Well, for being away, I've certainly jumped in with both feet! Happy New > Year to all! > Mike Mike, you might want to contact Scott Scarborough (can't remember if this is the right surname) who used to be on the list. He can be reached either at his e-mail (which I don't have at present - great help huh? :-) or through Jonh Cyganovsky (someone on the list is bound to have Jon Cyg's e-mail, I'm sure... he unsubscribed very recently). Scott is building a SE5a replica IIRC. HTH Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:02:41 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: SE5a Airfoil Message-ID: Pedro answers Mike: > (someone on the list is bound to have Jon Cyg's e-mail, I'm sure... he > unsubscribed very recently). Scott is building a SE5a replica IIRC. > Unless he's changed it, Cygs address is JANAH@WORLDNET.ATT.NET Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 00:06:42 -0800 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: SE5a Airfoil Message-ID: <199901050007.AAA28786@beryl.sol.co.uk> Mike The Scottish Museum of Flight at East Fortune Airfield has a set of SE5a wings which I have been able to look at close up. I'm not sure when I will be down there next, but the Museum is on-line through the UK Museums Internet site and the curator is a most helpful chap. He already knows about our list as I gave him all the gen on his Alb D.III bits (D796/17, Noth) after Bill pointed me in the direction of the "Jasta Pilots" etc. I'm sure an e-mail would result in measurements etc from a real original set of wings. They have this sort of request often and Airfix used their Lightning recently as a pattern for the kit. Curator's name is Adam Smith (and feel free to use my name if you wish.) (Look up UK Museums, then Royal Scottish Museum, Edinburgh, then MoF.) If you can't get the URL let me know as I have it somewhere. Sandy PS Adam organises an excellent Flying Show every July and if you promised to bring your SE over, he'd probably give you the old wings on loan! > > I've been off the list for a while and just recently logged back on. I've > started to put together documentation on the SE5a. So far I have the Signal > book, the SE5 and 5a Profiles and several articles on the airplane. I also > have Jim Kiger's excellent drawings (WOW!!!!!!) as well. > I have been planning for some time to start construction of a full size > repro. I wanted to start with the wing ribs as it seems to be the easiest > to do for now. The Replicraft drawings show airfoil coordinates, > unfortunately they are not accurate enough to use. Also the airfoil is not > identified. Some research on the UIUC website has an RAF15 airfoil which I > downloaded. The profile looks similar to the airfoil section used. > However, before I embark on this grand experiment, I wanted to query the > list members on the airfoil section used. Nowhere (at least in my > documentation) is the airfoil specified. > Are the Hafner drawings available? I purchased some recent copies of WWI > Aero and did not see any information. I have the sheets published in WWI > Aero but would like to purchase the set. One more item.....is anyone aware > of any full size repro's being built and if there is a builders network? > Well, for being away, I've certainly jumped in with both feet! Happy New > Year to all! > Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:57:41 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI digest 1362 Message-ID: <959e4f1e.36915575@aol.com> Is this the "Buffalo Bill" William Cody? -Rick- << Sometime in the '50's I read an article claiming one William Cody passed on to the Wright's the theory of wing-warping he had discovered while observing hawks soaring. It seems he had been reared on his fathers' ranch in the western USA and employed the obligatory Chinese cook who taught the young Cody the art of kit flying. After the visit with the Wright's he traveled to England and founded the Royal Aircraft Company. Dennis in New Hampshire >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:16:53 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Binders Message-ID: <001401be3840$b2f64920$1dd690d0@Pvosburg> Bob: I'm in the same area code (about 40 miles) as Holyoke, and if you want I can look into whether Dennison is still in business & producing your binders. Let me know either on or off-list if you haven't found out yet. Dave V. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, January 04, 1999 5:04 PM Subject: Binders > >Greetings all, > >I am hoping someone here may be able to help me. As many of you are aware >all of my WW1 profiles are on 5x8 file cards and are stored in special file >card binders. 10 years ago I bought out all the stock my local stationary >store could acquire of these (38) .. supposedly they tried other suppliers >in BC and Alberta as well and had no luck. I would like to start placing my >new off-topic profiles in similiar binders and just spent a couple of hours >doing an internet search and could come up with nothing. The binders I am >interested in are produced by Dennison National Co. of Holyoke, MA 01041 and >are product No. 08-188. > >Thanks, > Bob Pearson > >Visit my WW1 aviation page at >http://www.kaien.com/~bpearson/Index.htm > >Managing Editor / Internet Modeler >http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/ > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 16:50:06 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: WWI digest 1362 Message-ID: <3690103E.19DA3DC6@mars.ark.com> nope - there was two of em -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 20:16:49 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: SE5a Airfoil Message-ID: <36916801.2648@worldnet.att.net> I'm back. Happy Holidays to all. Actually Scott's dad is building the SE5a. The wings/spars are built to RAF drawings. I believe he has it on its gear. What kind of info are you looking for? Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:08:01 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: Hi all, Does anyone live nearby the USAF Museum, or plan a trip there sometime soon AND have enough of an "in" with the management to get a couple of closeup shots? I'd *really* love a photograph taken from beside the pilots ear, on the aircarft centreline looking down and back into the central gondola of the Ca.3. Also any shot which shows the area behind the pilots seat, low down at the level of the fuel tank mounts. And finally, any other detail shots of the engines, engine mounts and cockpits. Not much huh? Though as a first cut, can anyone tell me what of what material the "floor" between the fuel tanks is made. The Windsock plans have a tread pattern drawn on them suggesting it's metal, but that sounds rather heavy to me. Shane nb Albatrii D.V and D.Va nu Ummm, no idea, but researching to see if I can get enough material to start a Ca.3 and wondering whether i should wait for the datafile. nl. Rain. What? Rain, in Sunny Queensland? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 18:09:14 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Nieuport Kits Message-ID: <369022CA.34FE84CD@mars.ark.com> some more kits for the Bittner Nieuport lists: (I wasn't sure if you were including the 29 as ww1 - it was in service but hadn't made it to the front by Nov.11) I haven't seen examples of any of these kits so I can offer no comments. Akita/Libramodels Nieuport 27, and 29 Skuld Nieuport 27 Scale Planes 1912 Nieuport Monoplane (possibly a Nieuport IV.G?) Czech Resin N.29 (kit #08) Esoteric N.29 (NAV7) -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:41:39 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: Sopwith Dolphin Message-ID: Gday gang, Spent part of last night ignoring my work bench and reading the Sopwith Dolphin Datafile. I occurs to me that it has a simple enough shape to lend itself to scratchbuilding, and the Datafile gives me a good start on research. I know of just one 1/48 kit, the Walso Resin which Sandy completed and posted on the Web site, and it's not available in these parts (nor possibly at all except by luck) and given Sandys description may be more trouble than doing it myself. So..... Anyone have further references above and beyond Datafile 54 and Profile 169 - I have both. Particularly necessary, more cockpit shots. As Sandy notes, there's an awful lot of space visible, and the Dolphins cockpit was busier than most. Sandy? Shane ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1363 **********************