WWI Digest 1362 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: What's everyone really building? by ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au 2) Re: Winter casualties by ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au 3) RE: What's everyone really building? by ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au 4) Re: Voisin update by Pedro e Francisca Soares 5) 1910 Book of Airplane Models by Zulis@aol.com 6) Re: The List Barbeque at Rheinbeck???? by "Douglas R. Jones" 7) Re: The List Barbeque at Rheinbeck???? by "Douglas R. Jones" 8) RE: The List Barbeque at Rheinbeck???? by "Douglas R. Jones" 9) Re: Voisin update by Dennis Ugulano 10) RE: Hello? AND what to do. by Shane Weier 11) The List Barbeque at Rhinebeck???? by "Brad Gossen" 12) Mail digest by Nigel L Davies 13) Re: Mail digest by Zulis@aol.com 14) Extra Kits by "richard eaton" 15) Re: Extra Kits by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 16) Re: Mail digest by "David Vosburgh" 17) Breda/caroni Pensuti by "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E5rten_Tyllstr=F6m?=" 18) Useless question by "Steven M. Perry" 19) Re: Useless question by Bob Pearson 20) Re: Useless question by Mike Fletcher 21) Morane-Saulnier Type N/I/V Datafile heads up by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 22) PART photoetch reviews by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 23) Re: The List Barbeque at Rhinebeck???? by "Douglas R. Jones" 24) Slightly Off Topic - SPAD 12 by Eric Hotz ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 21:30:26 -0500 From: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: What's everyone really building? Message-ID: <199901030239.VAA10447@kosmic.colba.net> Date sent: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:12:46 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com Subject: Re: What's everyone really building? To: Multiple recipients of list Send reply to: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > > Mick. > > [Frolicking in the > Frozen North 80) ] > >> > > Yes, but are you feeling Frisky? > RK > Hey, Rob! 80P~ Mick 80) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 21:22:27 -0500 From: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Winter casualties Message-ID: <199901030231.VAA10388@kosmic.colba.net> Date sent: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:54:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald P. McOsker" Subject: Winter casualties To: Multiple recipients of list Send reply to: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Gerry, > I see your boys let the poms win one at Melbourne- which is a good idea- > keeps them coming back- It does that! 80) .......and you made almost all of my family chuckle 80) > Hope the rest of your trip goes smoothly- Yes, we're hoping casualties will be much lighter in Quebec. But that may depend on how the English are disposed 80) Cheers, Mick. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 21:27:52 -0500 From: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: What's everyone really building? Message-ID: <199901030236.VAA10428@kosmic.colba.net> Date sent: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:37:21 -0500 (EST) From: Shane Weier Subject: RE: What's everyone really building? To: Multiple recipients of list Send reply to: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > RK > > > [Frolicking in the Frozen North 80) ] > > > > > > Yes, but are you feeling Frisky? > > > > > > I doubt it. Frisky had to stay in Newcastle. Hannalore put her foot down > ;-) Ahhhhh......I don't think so........Actually, she's reading over my shoulder......Oh--oooooh!!!!! Casualties before Quebec. Aw, it's not so bad! I can still type with my arm dislocated. ........Thanks Rob and Shane! 80) Mick X0< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:55:35 +0000 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Voisin update Message-ID: <368E87C7.7FC27A8B@mail.telepac.pt> Geoff Smith wrote: > . > > Yup, that sounds right. Getting into setup usually requires pressing either del > or F1 - it'll tell you. > > Geoff Dennis, So if you screw it all now don't blame me. Geoff said it was ok... ;-) Happy new year Geoff Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 02:57:29 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: 1910 Book of Airplane Models Message-ID: (I think the list crashed. I will try sending this and see what happens) Ebay has a very unusual item for auction, which probably belongs in this list library. It is a book, published in 1910, on how to build model planes. It includes photos of the early Wright Flyers, etc. URL is: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=53511741 I cant make out the name of the author, but it looks like it may read Jehosaphat Aloyisius Karr ..... hmmmm..... Regards, Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 00:11:46 -0600 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The List Barbeque at Rheinbeck???? Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990103001144.006a042c@deimos.tx.iex.com> At 12:28 AM 1/2/99 -0500, you wrote: >Sorry Doug, but.. > ...California became aa republic during the Bear Flag Revolt. William >B. Ide was the first and only president of the Republic of California, which >lasted all of three or four days. Fremont came and along and put a quick >cabash to that, which almost caused another revolt!! Very interesting! I stand corrected....er....sit actually ;-) I had no idea! Then perhaps Texans should claim the longest running Republic before joining the US of A. Doug -------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 | djones@iex.com -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 14:31:48 -0600 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The List Barbeque at Rheinbeck???? Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990102143147.0069f190@deimos.tx.iex.com> At 12:06 AM 1/2/99 -0500, you wrote: >The 2000 Nats will be July 19 - 22 at the Hyatt Regency/Dallas >check out http://www.ipmsnct.org for additional info. Thanks , John! -------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 | djones@iex.com -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 14:35:05 -0600 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: The List Barbeque at Rheinbeck???? Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990102143503.006a2fa0@deimos.tx.iex.com> At 04:47 AM 1/2/99 -0500, you wrote: >Rats. That leaves me out of any happenings at Rhinebeck in September. >Two weeks, maybe three, will just about bankrupt me. While that weekend is a hoot any time spent at Rhinebeck is worth the effort! Doug -------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 | djones@iex.com -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 10:28:37 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Voisin update Message-ID: <199901031028_MC2-6550-9AE5@compuserve.com> Predo, I won't blame you, honest. Not if Geoff told you it was ok. The first attempt failed. We are now studying the instructions and will try again. BTW the way, I got knocked off line for about a day. Missed most of 1/1/99. Was the server down for that period. Got back on ok this morning. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 09:30:13 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Hello? AND what to do. Message-ID: Hi all, > Hi Dave, > > I got your message. I don't know if you have been > bad but you are here now. ;-) > He's not you know. It's possible to post to the list even without being subscibed, but the server only echos the post to subscribers. Dave was/is unsubscribed and all the reposnses to the list are wasted because he doesn't get them. FWIW, if a message like his arrives, send an email to wwi-request@pease1.sr.unh.edu, in the body of the message writr review wwi Shortly afterwards you'll get a full list of subscribers and their email addresses. This I did last night and discovered Dave was missing. Then reply direct to the poor lost sould address *NOT* the list and tell him the bad news (did THAT about 12 hours back too) so that he can return to the fold. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 11:18:51 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: The List Barbeque at Rhinebeck???? Message-ID: <199901031622.LAA17148@mail5.globalserve.net> Doug Jones wrote: ..any time spent at Rhinebeck is worth the effort! HERE, HERE! I try to make at least one pilgrimage to Mecc... er, Rhinebeck a year. It's a short six hour drive from Toronto and worth every kilometre. I usually leave work on a Friday at 5pm and arrive in Kingston NY around 11pm. Catch the Barnstorming show on Saturday afternoon after spending the morning looking around the historic Hudson Valley (hate to say it but it puts much of Southern Ontario to shame). Sunday, catch the WW1 show and depart at 5pm and I'm back in Toronto by midnight. It's not unknown, if you arrive early and pester the right people, to be invited to help wheel out the aircraft. Bob and I even got a ride in a 1913 International (I think, Bob?) Moving Van for our troubles. We both had our grubby little hands on the Hispano Jenny. (We were only watching when they whacked the wing tip into the hangar doorframe though, weren't we Bob!?) I've never met more friendly or accommodating people anywhere. It makes for one very relaxing weekend. I still can't believe that I've seen a Mercedes powered DVII hanging on it's prop taking pot shots at a rotary powered Camel or a Sopwith Dolphin chase an Albatros DV literally through the grass! It sure has my vote for the 2002 convention! Brad Doug, I'll be sure to warn you before my next run. Maybe some of you local boys would like to come? ROADTRIP!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh well, must start digging a trench to see where the car is buried, whilst thinking pleasant Rhinebeck thoughts. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 17:51:47 GMT From: Nigel L Davies To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu, Nigel L Davies Subject: Mail digest Message-ID: How do I change from the mail digest format *back* to receiving the "separate" messages again? Have asked for help from the server but can't find out what to do! Nigel Davies Kent UK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:55:22 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Mail digest Message-ID: <4471942d.368faf0a@aol.com> In a message dated 1/3/99 12:52:59PM, you write: << How do I change from the mail digest format *back* to receiving the "separate" messages again? Have asked for help from the server but can't find out what to do! Nigel Davies Kent UK >> This may not be the definitive answer, but how about unsubscribing, and then subscribing again? I believe the separate format is the default, so it should return you to that format. HTH Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 13:25:54 -0600 From: "richard eaton" To: Subject: Extra Kits Message-ID: <199901031925.NAA08907@sierra.onr.com> Well cleaned out a closet over the weekend. I have extra kits available. Please contact me off list if you are interested. All kits are complete except where noted. SE2a Aeroclub Vac (2) Metal Parts 5.00 Fokker D VII Revell Current 5.00 Fokker DR1 Revell Current 5.00 Nieuport 28 Revell Old in box (no Decals) 4.00 Albatros JII Xtra Vac Vac Resin parts 8.00 Ilya Muromets ICM Current nice mold 10.00 Pfaltz D.XII Toko 5.00 Junkers D1 Warbird Vac Crude 4.00 AEG G.IV Sierra Vac metal and resin 8.00 Friedrichshafen Merlin Terrible Free I will pay you $20 USD if you finish it G.III Morane A.1 Merlin Not bad really 5.00 Off Topic DH 10 Merlin Crude 5.00 Wapiti Merlin Crude nice metal engine 5.00 Nag Kate Hagesawa IJN torp bomber 5.00 Golden Hind Airfix Large scale 15.00 Marder II Tamya Current 10.00 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 00:01:52 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Extra Kits Message-ID: <36907570.C03@ricochet.net> richard eaton wrote: > > Well cleaned out a closet over the weekend. I have extra kits available. > Nieuport 28 Revell Old in box (no Decals) 4.00 FWIW, if anyone needs the decal sheet for this one (or the Revell SE5A or Nie.17), I might have an extra. Failing that, I can probably at least supply cockades from old Microscale sheets. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 15:08:44 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Mail digest Message-ID: <003401be3754$de69aa80$26d690d0@Pvosburg> Had this same problem myself a while back. Send a message to wwi-request@pease1.sr.unh.edu. with "set wwi mail ack" in the body. That should reset the format from digest to "loose mail". Regards, DV -----Original Message----- From: Nigel L Davies To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, January 03, 1999 1:54 PM Subject: Mail digest >How do I change from the mail digest format *back* to receiving the >"separate" messages again? Have asked for help from the server but >can't find out what to do! > >Nigel Davies Kent UK > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 23:01:37 +0100 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E5rten_Tyllstr=F6m?=" To: "ww1 listan" Subject: Breda/caroni Pensuti Message-ID: <199901032203.XAA04676@d1o6.telia.com> Hello list, I´m back. Anybody missed me?................. Did´nt think so. I have missed you all though. I got disconected somehow. Probebly because I have been experienced some pretaste of the millenium-change with my PC. Nevermind, is there anyone out there who have some good pictures of the front decking of a Breda/caproni Pensuti? Please share them with me in that case. Mårten ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 18:13:31 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Useless question Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990103181331.006d30f8@pop.mindspring.com> Ok archivists of the arcane: As I understand it, the Wrights had a patent on wing warping as a means of roll control. Did Morane Saulnier and other companies who produced designs incorporating wing warping pay the Wrights royalties? Wandering mind wants to know sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 15:38:36 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Useless question Message-ID: <23383600409523@KAIEN.COM> Wandering minds? They took Glenn Curtiss to court for years over that and other details that I'm sure someone else will be able to cover more fully Bob ---------- > From: "Steven M. Perry" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Useless question > Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:17:31 -0500 (EST) > > Ok archivists of the arcane: As I understand it, the Wrights had a patent > on wing warping as a means of roll control. Did Morane Saulnier and other > companies who produced designs incorporating wing warping pay the Wrights > royalties? > > Wandering mind wants to know > sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 15:57:07 -0800 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Useless question Message-ID: <368EB253.625EBD85@mars.ark.com> iirc Curtiss had to but the Europeans wisely didn't recognize the absurd decision by the US, especially that the patents covered aileron equipped aircraft also. I believe that this decision prevented the US aviation industry from developing from 1908 to 1917 and that had it not been confirmed, the US may actually have produced aircraft other than trainers and seaplanes that were of any use in ww1. The patents were eventually bought out by the US Gov't when they were getting ready for ww2, to reduce their production costs (no idea of exact date - it may have been in Smithsonian Air&Space magazine) -- Mike Fletcher ___ ., mdf@mars.ark.com |-\|^----! ; mikef@sparc.nic.bc.ca |--n--""*" icq=19554083 @ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:01:38 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Morane-Saulnier Type N/I/V Datafile heads up Message-ID: <19990103.190139.-875771.6.mbittner@juno.com> After I built a set of Barry's wonderful MoS landing gear struts using the Datafile drawings, and glueing them onto the Temeks MoS Type I, I noticed a problem. As you look from the front down the rear of the plane, the port (right, looking at it head on) is a little more splayed out than the starboard one. Grrr... On working on a new set of landing gear struts, it turns out it's not entirely "my" error. The Datafile Type I drawings show it this way. I really don't think this is the way the struts really were, but I don't have any head-on shots of MoS Type I's to authenticate. So, beware the Type I (and the Type V, for that matter) Datafile drawings. I checked the Type N drawings, and they don't have this error. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:21:43 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: PART photoetch reviews Message-ID: <19990103.192144.-809495.0.mbittner@juno.com> A little late in coming, but there are now reviews for the newest PART photoetch for the Toko Snipe, SSW and Pfalz. Check out the "Aviation Brass Detail Sets" page. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 19:51:24 -0600 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: The List Barbeque at Rhinebeck???? Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990103195123.006b0840@deimos.tx.iex.com> At 11:20 AM 1/3/99 -0500, you wrote: > Doug, I'll be sure to warn you before my next run. Maybe some of you >local boys would like to come? ROADTRIP!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh well, must start >digging a trench to see where the car is buried, whilst thinking pleasant >Rhinebeck thoughts. I have had the pleasure of a flight in Gen DeMarco's Stampe and a flying lesson from Brian Coughlin in his Luscombe. I have NEVER been given any flack about getting up close to take pictures. They are indeed a most hospitable and accommodating group of folks! Please do. There is a good chance I will be going up for the 1999 R/C Jamboree. Doug -------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 | djones@iex.com -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:56:40 -0700 From: Eric Hotz To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Slightly Off Topic - SPAD 12 Message-ID: Some one asked me a question at Christmas about the SPAD 12. I did not know the answer so I thought I would ask it here. The 37mm cannon which was carried onboard as the main weapon: What sort of ammunition was this weapon using? Was it an AP round or an HE round (or APHE, or something else?). I thought it would be just a standard armor piercing projectile or a slug. Does anyone know this? Eric Hotz (erichotz@direct.ca) ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1362 **********************