WWI Digest 1358 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: What's everyone really building? by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 2) Re: Nieuport Nighthawk by KarrArt@aol.com 3) Re: Nieuport Nighthawk by KarrArt@aol.com 4) Re: Nieuport Nighthawk by "Brad Gossen" 5) Re: Images by Ernest Thomas 6) Eduard Albatros D.V(a) WAS What's everyone really building? by Shane Weier 7) Re: Images - VVS by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 8) RE: Eduard Albatros D.V(a) WAS What's everyone really building? by Shane Weier 9) Latest SAMI by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 10) RE: Images by Shane Weier 11) Re: Eduard Albatros D.V(a) WAS What's everyone really building? by KarrArt@aol.com 12) Re: Eduard Albatros D.V(a) WAS What's everyone really building? by KarrArt@aol.com 13) Re: Eduard Albatros D.V(a) WAS What's everyone really building? by KarrArt@aol.com 14) Re: This is the future speaking - Happy New Year ! by KarrArt@aol.com 15) Re: This is the future speaking - Happy New Year ! by Ernest Thomas 16) RE: This is the future speaking - Happy New Year ! by Shane Weier 17) RE: This is the future speaking - Happy New Year ! by Bob Pearson 18) RE: This is the future speaking - Happy New Year ! by "Steven M. Perry" 19) The List Barbeque by Shane Weier 20) Re: This is the future speaking - Happy New Year ! by "Peter Crow" 21) Happy New Year by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 22) Re: The List Barbeque by Bob Pearson 23) calling TPT PUMPER wasRe: The List Barbeque by KarrArt@aol.com 24) Re: calling TPT PUMPER wasRe: The List Barbeque by Bob Pearson 25) Re: The List Barbeque by "David Vosburgh" 26) Re: Info by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 27) Re: Eduard Albatros D.V(a) WAS What's everyone really building? by Suvoroff@aol.com 28) RE: The List Barbeque by "John C Glaser" 29) Re: This is the future speaking - Happy New Year ! by "Brad Gossen" 30) RE: Eduard Albatros D.V(a) WAS What's everyone really building? by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:24:10 -0700 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: What's everyone really building? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981231132410.006fd858@mail> At 01:51 AM 30/12/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, > >> Well, now that the Christmas rush is over and we can get back >> to 'normal' business was wondering what everyone is prying off plastic > >> trees, un-vacuum forming, gluing, puttying, painting, decalling and >rigging? >> > >Back in Brisbane and the humidity is just as bad as I'd expected. You too are breaking my heart. How anyone can enjoy this season without a foot or two of the fluffiest white snow on the ground is beyond me, and just where do your children (girls?) use the tobaggans they got for Xmas? >Not >touched a model in a week - but now i'm back tonight will be devoted to >making decent control columns to replace the Eduard D.Va >simplifications. Just curious. What are going to do, or what have you done, about that bent tube that helps support the machine guns and also supports a single dial? Eduard represents that as a useless piece of flat PE. I tried fashioning a replacement from Contrail rod, and it looked okay, but everything fell to pieces when I tried to attach it to the cockpit insides. I used the what I assumed where the locators for the Eduard PE part, but found--too late--that the machine guns would not sit properly. Disaster! It still hurts to talk about it. I am embarrassed to talk about my failure with someone who can build a beautiful Brisfit from junk lying around the house, but I will build another Eduard D.Va, and will get it right the next time. >Just about ready to close the fuselages on two of them >then, but painting may be delayed because unlike Charles' garage in >Missouri, mine in Brisbane is at 105F and 90% humidity and the paint >won't reach the plastic in liquid state ! >Shane Dane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:22:36 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport Nighthawk Message-ID: In a message dated 12/31/98 6:45:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, dave@vga- graphics.com writes: << Anyway, as long as I'm on-list I was wondering, does the Nighthawk qualify as a WWI aeroplane?............................ Pretty spiffy little bus, aside from the ABC Dragonfly. Happy New Year to all... >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:42:15 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Nieuport Nighthawk Message-ID: <26dde032.368bfdc7@aol.com> In a message dated 12/31/98 6:45:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, dave@vga- graphics.com writes: << Anyway, as long as I'm on-list I was wondering, does the Nighthawk qualify as a WWI aeroplane?......... Pretty spiffy little bus, aside from the ABC Dragonfly. Dave V.>> First off- oops! On to the meat: Work on the first prototype began in May 1918, and it used some SE5a parts AND WW I was the "mother of its invention", so, let's just say "sure 'nuff" and let it join its friends in the WW I cafe of flight! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:38:11 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport Nighthawk Message-ID: <199812312341.SAA16501@mail5.globalserve.net> Dave Since Mr. Lamberton saw fit to include it in the Harlyford publication 'FIGHTER AIRCRAFT OF THE 1914-1918 WAR', I'd say it qualifies. It appears it was in production before the armistice but the Dragonfly delayed it's being delivered into service use prior to Nov.11. Happy New Year Brad ---------- > From: David Vosburgh > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Nieuport Nighthawk > Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 9:43 AM > > Just wanted to see if the list was still up... no traffic here since late > Monday night. Or are we maintaining Internet silence for some reason? > > Anyway, as long as I'm on-list I was wondering, does the Nighthawk qualify > as a WWI aeroplane? Has anyone ever made a 1:48 kit/vac/whatever? Pretty > spiffy little bus, aside from the ABC Dragonfly. > > Happy New Year to all... > > Dave V. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:55:43 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Images Message-ID: <368C0EFE.6900@bellsouth.net> Steven M. Perry wrote: > > I just posted a few scans of some model photos I took. Looks good, Bud. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:07:54 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Eduard Albatros D.V(a) WAS What's everyone really building? Message-ID: Dane, > >Back in Brisbane and the humidity is just as bad as I'd expected. > > You too are breaking my heart. How anyone can enjoy this > season without a foot or two of the fluffiest white snow on the ground is > beyond me, and just where do your children (girls?) use the tobaggans they > got for Xmas? > Girls (2) and boy (1), who'd stare entirely uncomprehendingly at a toboggan. OTOH all three are mean exponents of the styrofoam body board in the Pacific surf at ages 8,8, and 4. > >Not > >touched a model in a week - but now i'm back tonight will be > devoted to making decent control columns to replace the Eduard D.Va > >simplifications. > Just curious. What are going to do, or what have you done, > about that bent tube that helps support the machine guns and also supports a > single dial? Okay, back on topic. The piece you're talking about is a horizontal bar with bars of same diameter coming downwards from the ends at an angle of about 135 degrees. These join the fuselage sides on the forward extension of the stringer which runs just under the lower edge of the cockpit opening. I scraped and sanded off all of the interior, which is adequate, but simplified, and reinstated the stringers with styrene strip and the formers with bulkheads cut from sheet card. The gun arch attaches about 1.5mm forward of the front bulkhead so I drilled a hole in the stringers at that point. (Strictly speaking, the hole is lager than the stringer, and cuts it in two. The real arch has an end shaped like an inverted L that bolts onto the stringer, but the ends are virtually invisible and acarefule painting should make it look correct. I've made the arch from brass wire, sharply bent at either end and *slightly* over length. I used a file to sharpen the bends to approximate the sharp welded corners - needed a touch of CyA on the outside of the bend to get it right though. With the fuelage held closed using rubber bands I can spring it into position through the cockpit opening. The vertical gun supports will be added to the guns, made over length, and trimmed as I drop the guns in from above. I *may*, if lunacy strikes particularly badly, try to add the pipe clamp type fittings that hold these and the ?altimeter? with halved disks punched from card with my waldron set. Added *before* popping the arch into place. > I am embarrassed to talk about my failure with > someone who can build a beautiful Brisfit from junk lying > around the house, Oh, bite it. I have f*****g thousands of failures between each success. That's why I take years to finish a model :-( The key though, is not to restrict yourself to plastic. It *is* the easiest medium to use, and I prefer it wherever possible, but when you want strength, brass or aluminium wire is a better bet. In this case, because it needs to spring back, brass is the better choice. (I'd have used plastic, except someone posted on this list that he'd had a disaster trying to use it. Wonder who??) Incidentally, I had intimate acquaintance with the AWM Albatrii, and have the Mikesh book as well, both are helpful in deciphering the exact shape and function of interior bits BUT I wish I had clear interior shots of a D.V as opposed to a D.Va as the aileron control cabling MUST be different and i'm making one of each. > but I will build another Eduard D.Va, and will get it right > the next time. > Yeah ! And take pictures. The one thing that slightlysaddens me about the list is that there are 150 subscribers, but only about 1 in 5 have shown us there work. Whether it's lack of means (camera etc) or lack of confidence I don't know, but I *love* to look at models, and don't care whether RK makes them or Homer Simpson if the owner enjoyed doing it. Luck with the second Albatrii ! Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:21:34 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Images - VVS Message-ID: <19981231.182151.-874103.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 31 Dec 1998 15:15:08 -0500 (EST) "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> writes: >By the way Matt, those are some awfully nice VVS models you did up on >the >VVS page. Aw shucks...thanks...Thanks also to Erik. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:25:16 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Eduard Albatros D.V(a) WAS What's everyone really building? Message-ID: I gabbled on in the usual windy fashion: > The piece you're talking about is a horizontal bar with bars of same > diameter coming downwards from the ends at an angle of about 135 > degrees. These join the fuselage sides on the forward extension of the > stringer which runs just under the lower edge of the cockpit > opening. I forgot to add that there are also a pair of braces which run from the top end of the horizontal bar back to the fuselage former/bulkhead. I have prepositioned pieces of green painted 5 thou rod but expect it's 99% certain they'l be invisible. If you want to add them, welcome to the madhouse Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:38:20 -0800 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Latest SAMI Message-ID: <004101be351f$08182150$6a8cded1@chris> Howdy, Well, this is second-hand information, as I don't actually have the magazine in hand, but my dad just sent me a scan of the cover of the latest Scale Aviation Modelling International, and it looks like they did a bit of WWI content. Richard Caruana has a bit on the Brisfit (including scale plans) that I am sure will be quite good, and there is a nice picture on the cover of the Flashback Morane. There's also a bit on the Roland C.II with text and pictures. I'll keep pumping my dad for information, but it looks like a halfway decent issue for modelers interested in things with two wings and lots of fabric. Chris Banyai-Riepl Publisher/Editor Internet Modeler http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:42:09 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Images Message-ID: Steven > I just posted a few scans of some model photos I took. The > images are poor but give some idea of the models. I hope to get the photo > quality problem resolved soon. > Curtiss N-9 was well worth the recent effort. Nice models all round! Encore ! (EVERYONE) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:41:17 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros D.V(a) WAS What's everyone really building? Message-ID: <451ec7cb.368c19ad@aol.com> In a message dated 12/31/98 4:26:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << I have prepositioned pieces of green painted 5 thou rod but expect it's 99% certain they'l be invisible. If you want to add them, welcome to the madhouse Shane >> I do believe it was Chris B/R who said something to the effect that certain parts of his Strutter would be invisible when all was closed up, so of course the detail must be included. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:41:16 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros D.V(a) WAS What's everyone really building? Message-ID: <163eb3c2.368c19ac@aol.com> In a message dated 12/31/98 4:08:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << BUT I wish I had clear interior shots of a D.V as opposed to a D.Va as the aileron control cabling MUST be different and i'm making one of each. >> I had this figured out once, if I could just recall the sources I used -probably was an eyestraining search though a ton of WW I Aero mags- maybe I'll do a little home archaeology and see what pops up. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:41:15 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros D.V(a) WAS What's everyone really building? Message-ID: In a message dated 12/31/98 4:08:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Yeah ! And take pictures. The one thing that slightlysaddens me about the list is that there are 150 subscribers, but only about 1 in 5 have shown us there work. Whether it's lack of means (camera etc) or lack of confidence I don't know, but I *love* to look at models, and don't care whether RK makes them or Homer Simpson if the owner enjoyed doing it. Luck with the second Albatrii ! Shane >> Right. I love looking at models! RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:17:55 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: This is the future speaking - Happy New Year ! Message-ID: Well, shucks, I guess I might as well get my Happy New Year greeting done and logged, so: May all your rigging be taught, and your glue blobs be minimized, and fingerprints in the paint be hidden in '99! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:25:41 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: This is the future speaking - Happy New Year ! Message-ID: <368C2415.3BC1@bellsouth.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > Well, shucks, I guess I might as well get my Happy New Year greeting done and > logged, Me too. /%} ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:33:43 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: This is the future speaking - Happy New Year ! Message-ID: Robert, EtH > Well, shucks, I guess I might as well get my Happy New Year > greeting done and > logged, so: > May all your rigging be taught, and your glue blobs be minimized, and > fingerprints in the paint be hidden in '99! > and > Me too. /%} Back at ya. So where are all the other laggards? Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:40:19 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: This is the future speaking - Happy New Year ! Message-ID: <01401961500517@KAIEN.COM> Sorry, I'm still stuck in the past here Bob ---------- > > Back at ya. So where are all the other laggards? > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:44:54 -0500 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: This is the future speaking - Happy New Year ! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981231204454.00998448@pop.mindspring.com> At 08:33 PM 12/31/98 -0500, you wrote: >Robert, EtH >> Well, shucks, I guess I might as well get my Happy New Year >> greeting done and >> logged, so: >> May all your rigging be taught, and your glue blobs be minimized, and >> fingerprints in the paint be hidden in '99! >> > >and > >> Me too. /%} > >Back at ya. So where are all the other laggards? > >Shane > Me Three. All the best to the best list in '99. sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:51:45 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: The List Barbeque Message-ID: Hi guys, I had an off list email from one of our members who mentioned the fantasy "List Barbeque" and the possibility of meeting all of the list members face to face. It set me thinking about plans I have to visit the US for the IPMS nats in Dallas (?) in 2000 - assuming my family can avoid the sort of trauma which prevented my planned visit this year. II hope to travel from Australia to LAX, intend to stay a day or two in the general area in the hope of contacting as many listees as possible, then to Austin to visit with friend and ex-list member Tom Eisenhour. I *know* there are a bunch of list and ex-list members in the area and hope we can arrange to meet somewhere before Tom and I travel to the Nats. I hope to meet another big bunch of you there then onward to either the USAF Museum or Smithsonian, the decision being based not on which has the most interesting planes, but where I can meet the most listees ! I *hope* that I'll still be able to afford another stopover on the way home, again chosen to meet people with maybe an on topic side trip ;-) So to the questions. If I do get there (and I'll try like hell) , which museum is closest to the greatest number ? Where should I make that last stop? And do others pend valuable modelling minutes fantasizing about list conventions instead of something useful like an automated RAFwire rigger? Shane (Who may be travelling with list lurker and fellow red wine imbiber Graham Steel if our respective spouses will trust us together for so long ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:16:46 PST From: "Peter Crow" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: This is the future speaking - Happy New Year ! Message-ID: <19990101021647.12796.qmail@hotmail.com> Robert wrote.. >Well, shucks, I guess I might as well get my Happy New Year greeting >done and logged, so: >May all your rigging be taught, and your glue blobs be minimized, and >fingerprints in the paint be hidden in '99! > >Robert K. An echo of the same from a little north of you Robert... its been an enjoyable year... Peter Crow... driving everyone around him nuts with the new digital cam.. Quite a few have asked if this thing will work "where the sun don't shine"... ;-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:26:06 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Happy New Year Message-ID: <19981231.202608.-846303.0.mbittner@juno.com> Just a wish to the list for a Happy, and Prolific New Year. Heck, I figure 1999 will be my best WW1 content yet! :-) Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:36:58 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: The List Barbeque Message-ID: <02365891300626@KAIEN.COM> > From: Shane Weier > Hi guys, > > I had an off list email from one of our members who mentioned the > fantasy "List Barbeque" and the possibility of meeting all of the list > members face to face. --------- Don't forget that OTF will be having the 2000 gathering in Pensacola .. date still undetermined. And the talk has been to meet at Ira's place in Dallas. We can all meet up on the way :-) Bob - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:06:00 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: calling TPT PUMPER wasRe: The List Barbeque Message-ID: In a message dated 12/31/98 5:52:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << I had an off list email from one of our members who mentioned the fantasy "List Barbeque" and the possibility of meeting all of the list members face to face....... It set me thinking about plans I have to visit the US for the IPMS nats in Dallas (?) in 2000 - ........ And do others pend valuable modelling minutes fantasizing about list conventions instead of something useful like an automated RAFwire rigger?.......... Shane (Who may be travelling with list lurker and fellow red wine imbiber Graham Steel if our respective spouses will trust us together for so long ;-)>> First things first- yes, I do spend an awful lot of time fantasizing about an automated RAFwire rigger..... nextly(?), This bar-b-que thing may get scary! Calling IRA ! Calling TPT PUMPER! Get ready! The barbarian hordes may really descend upon you in a year and a half. If you're lurking anywhere, come out! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:13:54 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: calling TPT PUMPER wasRe: The List Barbeque Message-ID: <03135489900703@KAIEN.COM> nextly(?), This bar-b-que thing may get scary! Calling IRA ! Calling TPT > PUMPER! > Get ready! The barbarian hordes may really descend upon you in a year and a > half. If you're lurking anywhere, come out! > Robert Geez, isn't he gonna have a surprise when we all show up :-) Serves him right for getting a fulltime modelling job :-) Bob > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:30:25 -0500 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: The List Barbeque Message-ID: <003101be3537$12be7e20$18d690d0@Pvosburg> I actually spend time fantasizing about meeting up with the rest of you AND developing an automated device for producing RAFwires, but that's just me. I decided some time ago that if I ever win one of those obscenely huge Lotto jackpots I'd send everybody on the list a free ticket to some neutral country where we could hold forth until asked to leave. I'd hoped to at least meet up with Mick while he was over here since it's only about three hours to RI, but a recalcitrant MX-6, kids with the flu, and the pre-Xmas rush all combined to put paid to that idea. Dallas in 2000 sure would be fun, but at this point fares to London are actually cheaper from here in New England than tickets to Dallas. Go figure. Dave V. -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 9:53 PM Subject: The List Barbeque >Hi guys, > >I had an off list email from one of our members who mentioned the >fantasy "List Barbeque" and the possibility of meeting all of the list >members face to face. > >It set me thinking about plans I have to visit the US for the IPMS nats >in Dallas (?) in 2000 - assuming my family can avoid the sort of trauma >which prevented my planned visit this year. > >II hope to travel from Australia to LAX, intend to stay a day or two in >the general area in the hope of contacting as many listees as possible, >then to Austin to visit with friend and ex-list member Tom Eisenhour. I >*know* there are a bunch of list and ex-list members in the area and >hope we can arrange to meet somewhere before Tom and I travel to the >Nats. > >I hope to meet another big bunch of you there then onward to either the >USAF Museum or Smithsonian, the decision being based not on which has >the most interesting planes, but where I can meet the most listees ! >I *hope* that I'll still be able to afford another stopover on the way >home, again chosen to meet people with maybe an on topic side trip ;-) > >So to the questions. If I do get there (and I'll try like hell) , which >museum is closest to the greatest number ? Where should I make that last >stop? And do others pend valuable modelling minutes fantasizing about >list conventions instead of something useful like an automated RAFwire >rigger? > >Shane >(Who may be travelling with list lurker and fellow red wine imbiber >Graham Steel if our respective spouses will trust us together for so >long ;-) > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:40:08 -0800 (PST) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Info Message-ID: <199901010340.TAA21369@compass.OregonVOS.net> Allan wrote: -snip-snip- >Gren? IO wasn't aware of that, but Immelman did fly several E-IIIs, one with >3 guns! (Flew like a cow). Wasn't the three-gunned "cow" an E.IV? Most of them flew like cows - with or without the extra gun. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:43:52 EST From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros D.V(a) WAS What's everyone really building? Message-ID: Quoth the innimitable Shane; "I forgot to add that there are also a pair of braces which run from the top end of the horizontal bar back to the fuselage former/bulkhead. I have prepositioned pieces of green painted 5 thou rod but expect it's 99% certain they'l be invisible. If you want to add them, welcome to the madhouse" I added them to my Albatros and they are quite visible. However, I am interested to know how you managed to get the wiring in for the ailerons at all. I wanted to do this but was unable to manage it, the pulleys are attached to either fuselage half so I could not attach them before I joined the fuselage, and the area was totally inaccessible after that. Yours, James D. gray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 23:49:06 -0600 From: "John C Glaser" To: Subject: RE: The List Barbeque Message-ID: <000001be354a$725ef3b0$f011820a@johng-home> Shane: By all means I would recommend the USAF museum over the Smithsonian. Not only is the collection more comprehensive but is also much less politically correct than the show in Washington - Remember the Enola Gay flap! I would look forward to hooking up with you in the next millennium. Since I live in Houston, Dallas is an easy hop and is definitely on the schedule for the Nats. Just remember that barbecue in the U.S is as varied as each of the 50 states. I'd be happy to introduce you to the South Texas variety. Happy New Year and Best Wishes to all. - John -----Original Message----- From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu] On Behalf Of Shane Weier Sent: Thursday, December 31, 1998 7:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: The List Barbeque Hi guys, I had an off list email from one of our members who mentioned the fantasy "List Barbeque" and the possibility of meeting all of the list members face to face. It set me thinking about plans I have to visit the US for the IPMS nats in Dallas (?) in 2000 - assuming my family can avoid the sort of trauma which prevented my planned visit this year. II hope to travel from Australia to LAX, intend to stay a day or two in the general area in the hope of contacting as many listees as possible, then to Austin to visit with friend and ex-list member Tom Eisenhour. I *know* there are a bunch of list and ex-list members in the area and hope we can arrange to meet somewhere before Tom and I travel to the Nats. I hope to meet another big bunch of you there then onward to either the USAF Museum or Smithsonian, the decision being based not on which has the most interesting planes, but where I can meet the most listees ! I *hope* that I'll still be able to afford another stopover on the way home, again chosen to meet people with maybe an on topic side trip ;-) So to the questions. If I do get there (and I'll try like hell) , which museum is closest to the greatest number ? Where should I make that last stop? And do others pend valuable modelling minutes fantasizing about list conventions instead of something useful like an automated RAFwire rigger? Shane (Who may be travelling with list lurker and fellow red wine imbiber Graham Steel if our respective spouses will trust us together for so long ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:55:16 -0500 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: This is the future speaking - Happy New Year ! Message-ID: <199901010558.AAA23170@mail5.globalserve.net> Well the New Year has rung in in Toronto. Heads up Bob it's coming your way! HAPPY NEW YEAR to all. Brad ---------- > From: Shane Weier > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: This is the future speaking - Happy New Year ! > Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 9:00 AM > > Hello all, > > Here I am at 0:01 on 1 January, 1999, sitting at my laptop to send a > wish for all the best in this calendar year to my friends. > > Looks good from here; I hope that all of you see 1999 through in > health, wealth and happiness. > > Now, all you sluggards still dragging about in 1998, get a move on. You > should *see* some of the beautiful models in your futures ! > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:30:29 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Eduard Albatros D.V(a) WAS What's everyone really building? Message-ID: James, >> it's 99% certain >> they'l be invisible. If you want to add them, welcome to the madhouse" > > I added them to my Albatros and they are quite visible. Good. That (and judges with proctoscopes they ought to insert in the *proper* orifice) was what I feared enough to add them. > However, I am interested to know how you managed to get the wiring in for > the ailerons at all. I wanted to do this but was unable to manage it, the pulleys are > attached to either fuselage half so I could not attach them > before I joined the fuselage, and the area was totally inaccessible after that. > Not done yet - the fuselage halves still sit rubber banded and waiting the addition of control columns and their associated cables but..... I'll add the seat after the halves are together. In fact, this is necessary because one of the seat bearers has to attach to the forward bulkhead on one half and the complete rear bulkhead in the other. The pulleys are in place with legths of invisible thread already strung around and glued. When I attach the halves they'll be led out through the cockpit opening. Once the halves are firmly attached they get glued (one at a time) to thin brass wire lengths which (if need be) get bent to make specialised tools which *will* get into the space. CyA is added with a fine wire, the line pulled into the drop and held until it sets then the tool is cut off the end leaving it hanging free. Later I'll use a tiny scalpel normally used in eye surgery as I understand it to cut the end free - if the scalpel doesn't fit I CyA the tiny blade to a wire and twist it to an appropriate shape. Last of all, get the seat in place. Not really terrible difficult, though experience says it needs patience. But I bet it'll be easier than threading the elevator control cables through the entire length of my skeletal Hurricane (built in a moment of ill judged off topic madness) after it was virtually completed, instead of (sensibly) before all the cockpit detail and fuselage stringers. (Incidentally, in the dark and confined depths of the cockpit floor, about 1 person in 100 will ever even look at them. Aren't we just as sane as can be?) Shane ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1358 **********************