WWI Digest 995 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: April 21,1918 by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 2) Re: AH, just another guy by Patrick Padovan 3) RE: Kit suggestion was:HaT Industries by Pedro e Francisca Soares 4) Lohner Tripe Was: Sins... by Chris Cato 5) Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful by Mick Fauchon 6) DML Guns by dandk@mediaone.net 7) Re: DML Guns by Ernest Thomas 8) Re: DML Guns by "Sandy Adam" 9) Re: Blue Max Pfalz D.XII decals by Jim Wallace 10) Re: DML Guns by Kevin Wenker 11) Re: DML Guns by Kevin Wenker 12) RE: Lohner Tripe Was: Sins... by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 13) Re: Blue Max Pfalz D.XII decals by "Sandy Adam" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:47:30 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: April 21,1918 Message-ID: <01BD6EBE.5E4D2E80.panz-meador@vsti.com> yup, there was a difference (at least diplomatically): during ww1, part 2 (what some people call ww2) the US issued a set of stamps depicting the flags of occupied countries. austria was among them. besides, thuggery knows no geographic boundaries... phillip -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Zivich [SMTP:mzivich@svsu.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 23, 1998 10:47 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: April 21,1918 Quite so. But was there really a difference during WWII? And it was his aspiration to be German. MZ On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Patrick Padovan wrote: > Re "AH could have ended up, well, just another German." You mean Austrian! > (Since we're on this thread all ready!) > Ciao! Patrick > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Patrick Padovan > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Matthew Zivich wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Sandy Adam wrote: > > > > > > > > > I respecfully assume that "1869" & "1868" below are typos. > > > > Matt Z. > > > My apologies Matt - you are absolutely right - I hang my head in shame. > > > Worth a thought though isn't it - Napoleon might have been directing ops > > > at Mons - probably would never have been a Western Front - Hitler would > > > have been learning to speak French in the extended Alsace-Lorraine-Prussia > > > departement of France! > > > Sandy > > > > > > > > Or he might have ended up Don Napoleone, capo di tutti capo, of some > > organization in Corsica or Marseille. AH could have ended up, well, just > > another German. > > > > Matt Z. > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:40:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: AH, just another guy Message-ID: Dear Matt Z.: Since you were refering to a "what-if" alternate history in which AH was "just another (German/Austrian)", then yeah, there would have been a difference, since AH presumably wouldn't have brought about the Anschluss (union of Germany with Austria) in 1938, if he'd been "just another. . ." In view of the context and the extended discussion about Napolean's ethnic heritage, it seemed relevent to point out that AH was, in fact, Austrian. Ciao! Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Matthew Zivich wrote: > Quite so. But was there really a difference during WWII? And it was his > aspiration to be German. > > MZ > > On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Patrick Padovan wrote: > > > Re "AH could have ended up, well, just another German." You mean Austrian! > > (Since we're on this thread all ready!) > > Ciao! Patrick > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Patrick Padovan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Matthew Zivich wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Sandy Adam wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I respecfully assume that "1869" & "1868" below are typos. > > > > > Matt Z. > > > > My apologies Matt - you are absolutely right - I hang my head in shame. > > > > Worth a thought though isn't it - Napoleon might have been directing ops > > > > at Mons - probably would never have been a Western Front - Hitler would > > > > have been learning to speak French in the extended Alsace-Lorraine-Prussia > > > > departement of France! > > > > Sandy > > > > > > > > > > > Or he might have ended up Don Napoleone, capo di tutti capo, of some > > > organization in Corsica or Marseille. AH could have ended up, well, just > > > another German. > > > > > > Matt Z. > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:27:55 +0200 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Kit suggestion was:HaT Industries Message-ID: <01BD6F06.5E359A20@fei1-p13.telepac.pt> -----Original Message----- From: Mountaineer [SMTP:mntineer@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, April 23, 1998 3:33 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Kit suggestion was:HaT Industries Thanks for all the good advice for the the good advice on HaT = Industries! I'm going to shift gears, swallow some old fears and give the airplanes another shot, so I need some advice on a good 1/72nd kit to start. I = read that a Fokker DrI, Dr VII or Dr VIII are good starter subjects because = of the lack of rigging on the struts and landing gear. Any recommended manufacturers? Any manufacturers to stay away from? Any other types of planes recommended?? I know this is a possible flame war material =3D:-0, so please just = email me personally!! Thanks!! Eric Townsend mntineer@mindspring.co Why flame Eric?=20 I asked the very same question to the list last year and they told me to = go ahead with the Airfix Pup, which I ended up doing. Still it has its = fair share of wires. If you're looking for something readily available = and don't care much about 100% accuracy I'd recommend the Airfix Roland = CII. I just blew one a couple of months ago but it was all my fault. = Built straight from the box it does look like a Walfisch. The only thing = begging for substitution is the engine and the guns and you can find = aftermarket stuff for that. I also made the DVIII from Eduard and apart = from the photo-etched struts which are too thin, all fell in nice and = easy. Only thing to worry about here are the PE parts. You only get one = try when you bend them. If you try to correct an ill-made bend you'll = probably break the part. I'm now on my 4th WW1 kit - Toko's SS DIII and = so far things are going nice BUT be warned that it's better to do the = DIV then the DIII because the fuselage section of lower wing of the DII = is (at least on my kit was) narrower than the fuselage, what had to be = corrected with a fair amount of miliput strategically applied. Anyone = else felt this? I also fell that the right fuselage side is a bit = distorted but I don't know in what way. I just feel it.=20 HTH Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:15:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Cato To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Lohner Tripe Was: Sins... Message-ID: >chris: huzza! sounds like we're in the same boat--i'm trying to sell >about 300 unbuilt 'uns right now, all later than ww1. perhaps it's >becasue >ww1 is fun to build, perhaps it's because it doesn't have the overtones >that ww2 had, or perhaps it's becasue of the great folks on this list. >at >any rate, i'm a convert. Agreed! I don't have the FMP book yet - my budget just won't allow it at this point but looking forward to getting it when I get the chance. Actually the Lohner I'm referring too is the single seat tripe fighter. Or rather this particular aircraft is labled as an experimental Lohner type. I only have one good picture as I recall but it is such a fascinating little aircraft that if I can find more documentation i'm seriously contemplating building it. The local library has a copy of Fighting Triplanes ( Hadingham?) that I will peruse some this weekend for more info. The Tabor is a rather intimidating project for me and every time I look at the photos I can't believe I really want to do this - but it just keeps coming back. Obviously a long term project that will be taken off and put on the shelf many times. I can't seem to locate much documentation on it though - mostly just coffee table books on "the worlds worst aircraft" with the same generic pictures. I really want a shot of the tail!!! I seem to recall seeing a list of primary sources, reviews in Flight and other such things that were written while it was being built. Perhaps that is my next stop. I'll see if I can't dig up a little more info on the Lohner I'm thinking of! Chris Cato ------------------------------------------------- email at: tcato@bgnet.bgsu.edu webbed at: http://www.bgsu.edu/~tcato/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:35:27 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: Alberto, > > I'm convinced of it. Though putting people in it has proven a bit > >problematic, they are often quite troublesome to Himself and each other. I should have added: "present company [all of us] excapted, of course". I took that as read. > Yes, agreed, but then he made the bunch of nice guys that conform this list, > and that proves it was worth it. Amen to that, brother! Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:25:39 -0700 From: dandk@mediaone.net To: wwi Subject: DML Guns Message-ID: <35401443.6CCC581F@mediaone.net> Hi Guys, I'm building the DML Jacob's triplane and have got to building the guns. Thanks to previous list advice I've painted them flat black and plan to use some graphite on a Q-tip when done for my finish. My question is having bent the cooling jackets around the little tool provided do I now somehow glue them? Doesn't seem to be an easy glue, I've got a pretty good round bend but the ends do not lay over each other or meet. Do I just keep bending until it is perfectly round and then just glue it to the guns body? Any tips? Thanks in advance, Dave Sterner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:03:33 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: DML Guns Message-ID: <35401D24.76D8@bellsouth.net> dandk@mediaone.net wrote: > > Hi Guys, > I'm building the DML Jacob's triplane and have got to building the > guns. Thanks to previous list advice I've painted them flat black and > plan to use some graphite on a Q-tip when done for my finish. My > question is having bent the cooling jackets around the little tool > provided do I now somehow glue them? Doesn't seem to be an easy glue, > I've got a pretty good round bend but the ends do not lay over each > other or meet. Do I just keep bending until it is perfectly round and > then just glue it to the guns body? Any tips? > Thanks in advance, > Dave Sterner Dave, Yeah, those DML jackets are pretty tough. First thing I did was anneal them;heat them till their red, then just let them cool nice and slow. This will soften the metal and make it easier to work with. Then,like you already said, just keep working them until you get em as perfectly round as you can. Then paint em and just glue them onto the gun body with CA. As I recall, the fit was not as nice as I would have liked, I think the jacket was either too long, or too narrow to slip onto the body. I ended up cutting the barrel off the body, replacing it with a piece of wire, but still used muzzel from the kit guns, drilled out, of course. Most of all, just take your time. Good luck. Ernest ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:19:34 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: DML Guns Message-ID: <199804240847.JAA04088@beryl.sol.co.uk> Hi Dave, FWIW I suggest you roll the jacket until perfectly round, then cut a piece of metal tube (syringe needles are perfect if you can get them legally!) to represent the barrel. Position the seam at the bottom of the jacket and lay the barrel in place. A drop of thin CA will run along the join by capillary action and Bob's you Uncle! (Nobody tell me that this is an Australianism!) I can't remeber if the DML gun fronts have a space for barrel but if not a few secs with a rat tail file (while still attached) provides one. Cut plastic stock end to fit and add cocking mechs etc, Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:19:23 -0400 From: Jim Wallace To: wwi Subject: Re: Blue Max Pfalz D.XII decals Message-ID: <3.0.4.32.19980424081923.00982d00@pop.atl.mindspring.com> Did anyone ever find out anything about the mystery decals? Someone (Sandy?) replied that they were going to call someone. I'm about ready to punt on them. Has anyone else built this kit? What did you do with the mystery decals (square, two circles, and two small white ones). jw ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:52:06 -0500 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi Subject: Re: DML Guns Message-ID: <35408AF6.22C5@interaccess.com> I don't use the tool provided. I use a smaller drill bit or hard steel (the shank part, not the drill part) - put the jacket on a mouse pad and start rolling the bit across the surface of the jacket. Roll it back and forth applying more and more pressure and pretty soon it takes on a real good circular curve. Once that is started, I pick up the jacket and just keep twirling between fingers around the shank of the bit until the jacket ends meet. Using the undersize bit really helps. Kevin > > Dave, > Yeah, those DML jackets are pretty tough. First thing I did was anneal > them;heat them till their red, then just let them cool nice and slow. > This will soften the metal and make it easier to work with. Then,like > you already said, just keep working them until you get em as perfectly > round as you can. Then paint em and just glue them onto the gun body > with CA. As I recall, the fit was not as nice as I would have liked, I > think the jacket was either too long, or too narrow to slip onto the > body. I ended up cutting the barrel off the body, replacing it with a > piece of wire, but still used muzzel from the kit guns, drilled out, of > course. Most of all, just take your time. Good luck. > > Ernest ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:57:45 -0500 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi Subject: Re: DML Guns Message-ID: <35408C49.71CB@interaccess.com> Sandy Adam wrote: > > Hi Dave, FWIW I suggest you roll the jacket until perfectly round, then cut > a piece of metal tube (syringe needles are perfect if you can get them > legally!) to represent the barrel. Position the seam at the bottom of the > jacket and lay the barrel in place. A drop of thin CA will run along the > join by capillary action and Bob's you Uncle! (Nobody tell me that this is > an Australianism!) > I can't remeber if the DML gun fronts have a space for barrel but if not a > few secs with a rat tail file (while still attached) provides one. Cut > plastic stock end to fit and add cocking mechs etc, > Sandy Sandy, My uncle is neither from Australia nor is he named Bob. Nor do I really need another uncle. Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:18:29 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Lohner Tripe Was: Sins... Message-ID: <01BD6F59.911FE140.panz-meador@vsti.com> chris: let me take a look and see what the FMP book has on this guy--i seem to recall a unique arrangement of the wings. the tripe bomber i was thinking about was a lloyd, by the way. top 10 most grotesque... phillip p.s. checked your website--could you repair that link to the "black project" active camo at the bottom of page 1(?)--the reference to the TBMs with lamps looked interesting. TIA -----Original Message----- From: Chris Cato [SMTP:tcato@bgnet.bgsu.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 23, 1998 7:18 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Lohner Tripe Was: Sins... >chris: huzza! sounds like we're in the same boat--i'm trying to sell >about 300 unbuilt 'uns right now, all later than ww1. perhaps it's >becasue >ww1 is fun to build, perhaps it's because it doesn't have the overtones >that ww2 had, or perhaps it's becasue of the great folks on this list. >at >any rate, i'm a convert. Agreed! I don't have the FMP book yet - my budget just won't allow it at this point but looking forward to getting it when I get the chance. Actually the Lohner I'm referring too is the single seat tripe fighter. Or rather this particular aircraft is labled as an experimental Lohner type. I only have one good picture as I recall but it is such a fascinating little aircraft that if I can find more documentation i'm seriously contemplating building it. The local library has a copy of Fighting Triplanes ( Hadingham?) that I will peruse some this weekend for more info. The Tabor is a rather intimidating project for me and every time I look at the photos I can't believe I really want to do this - but it just keeps coming back. Obviously a long term project that will be taken off and put on the shelf many times. I can't seem to locate much documentation on it though - mostly just coffee table books on "the worlds worst aircraft" with the same generic pictures. I really want a shot of the tail!!! I seem to recall seeing a list of primary sources, reviews in Flight and other such things that were written while it was being built. Perhaps that is my next stop. I'll see if I can't dig up a little more info on the Lohner I'm thinking of! Chris Cato ------------------------------------------------- email at: tcato@bgnet.bgsu.edu webbed at: http://www.bgsu.edu/~tcato/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:13:14 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Blue Max Pfalz D.XII decals Message-ID: <199804241524.QAA18330@beryl.sol.co.uk> > > Did anyone ever find out anything about the mystery decals? Someone > (Sandy?) replied that they were going to call someone. Still ansaphone Sandy ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 995 *********************