WWI Digest 993 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: April 21,1918 by Bob Pearson 2) Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful by Mick Fauchon 3) Re: Bessoneau hangars by Alberto Rada 4) Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful by Mick Fauchon 5) Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful by Alberto Rada 6) Can't take it with you, was 'Sins' by Ernest Thomas 7) Fillers - was sanding by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton 8) Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful by Mick Fauchon 9) Re: Can't take it with you, was 'Sins' by Alberto Rada 10) Re: April 21,1918 by "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." 11) Aurora Halberstadt Cl.II fair price? by "Scott M. Head" 12) Re: Can't take it with you, was 'Sins' by Ernest Thomas 13) Re: Aurora Halberstadt Cl.II fair price? by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 14) Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful by Graham Nash 15) Re: April 21,1918 by "Sandy Adam" 16) Re: April 21,1918 by "Sandy Adam" 17) Re: Flashback Morane - and - JMGT Hanriot by "Sandy Adam" 18) Rolls Royce Armoured Cars -again... by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton 19) TOKO's N-11 and Snipe by Jeff Hamblen 20) Re: Menckhoff's Albatros D.V by John & Allison Cyganowski 21) Re: April 21,1918 by Ernest Thomas 22) Re: April 21,1918 by Suvoroff 23) Dumping the mistress after purging the soul by perrysm@juno.com 24) Re: April 21,1918 by "Sandy Adam" 25) Re: April 21,1918 by "Sandy Adam" 26) Alberto's & Shane's models by Eric Fisher 27) Re: April 21,1918 by Matthew Zivich 28) RE: April 21,1918 by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:24:25 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: April 21,1918 Message-ID: <04242573804800@KAIEN.COM> Actually Fonck IS the highest scoring pilot in WW1. Just ask him :-) In his autobiography I seem to recall he says that he shot down over 125 aircraft. Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: Ernest Thomas > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: April 21,1918 > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:09:44 -0400 > > Kevin & Kimberley Barrett wrote: > > > > A thought or two: > > > > Somehow, I don't think our hobby would have been the same if WWI's higest > > scoring ace turned out to be Fonck. > > > > To Richtofen and all the others, rest in peace. > > > > Kevin Barrett. > > > I would say we're pretty safe from ever having France claim the highest > score for anything in any war.;-} > > I too raise my glass of choclate milk to the Baron. May his soul find > joy in Fighter Pilot Valhalla. > > 668 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:36:52 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: Alberto, > It looks like fun donwn there, lots of friends-modelers > to talk to Hey! I don't want to spend an eternity roasting in hell with you guys!.......though I hope to have talked our way out of that one 80) OTOH, if I *have* to spend an eternity in hell, with whom better than you guys!......I think 80/ > >> FWIW, It ain't worth an eternity in hell! 80) Cheers, Mick. Whew! Warm in here all of a sudden, ain't it? 80) -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 01:11:33 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Bessoneau hangars Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980422011133.0085a660@argonaut.net> Hi Mick The Mailman brought today this parcel, we opened it and the kids said ! a tent ! wow, we are going to spend the holidays in the mountains, I said no, it's a Bessoneau hangar , to put my little planes Thanks a lot At 04:06 AM 17-03-98 -0500, you wrote: > > > To those gentlemen requiring said drawings, they will be in the post >by the end of the week. > Don't worry about cost: just buy me a beer next time you see me. >I may be over your way around Christmas this year [via my daughter in >Montreal [or if you're a separatist, "Montr'eal" 80) ] > > > Cheers, > > Mick. > > > >-- -- >Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au >Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 >University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 > > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > M M > M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M > M M > M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M > M M > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:20:34 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: Alberto, > Thanks Mick > What a relieve, looks like well spend eternity discussing models in a much > cooler and certainly nicer atmosphere, and we might even take some kits > with us, so what am I waiting to fill another closet. That puts a different complexion on it, doesn't it? > I normally don't joke with these matters, but isn't one of the most wonderful > sensations on earth to finish a model, sit contemplating it just by > yourself, and > feel that pride that you just did a hell ( might be because of this word ?) > of a good job ? No reason why we shouldn't; man is also capable of creative activity [being made in the image of God]......but not from nothing. > I am sure GOD felt the same when he made this lovely diorama I'm convinced of it. Though putting people in it has proven a bit problematic, they are often quite troublesome to Himself and each other. Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 01:23:36 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980422012336.007b7a90@argonaut.net> Hi Mick. At 01:17 AM 22-04-98 -0400, you wrote: >> I am sure GOD felt the same when he made this lovely diorama > > I'm convinced of it. Though putting people in it has proven a bit >problematic, they are often quite troublesome to Himself and each other. > Yes, agreed, but then he made the bunch of nice guys that conform this list, and that proves it was worth it. SALUDOS Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:37:08 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Can't take it with you, was 'Sins' Message-ID: <353D8204.10E1@bellsouth.net> Alberto Rada wrote: isn't one of the most wonderful > sensations on earth to finish a model, sit contemplating it just by > yourself, and > feel that pride that you just did a hell ( might be because of this word ?) > of a good job ? As a devout but tolerent non-believer, I must say that this is about as close as I get to a religious experience. But Pastor Mick brought up a good point. You can't take it with you. So while I'm not real concerned about my soul, I am concerned about all those models I will probably never get to build before I die(in the hopefully very distant future). So I thought I'd share my plans with you guys. Except for claims from any children or grandchildren who may have inherited my styrene madness, all of my unbuilt models will be donated to the nearest VA Hospital when I'm gone. Some of these people are never getting out of there. And what better way to show my appreciation for my hobby and thanks to those who served than to leave all my models of millitary hardware to the lonley souls who operated it. And I would ask any of you guys who buy faster than you build to consider doing the same. It's also a real nice way to get rid of some of the kits you're no longer interested in while you're still alive. And it's tax deductable for those who worship the dollar. Contientious Atheist soapbox off. 668 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:44:30 -0700 From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton To: wwi Subject: Fillers - was sanding Message-ID: <353E8EEE.69FD@connectorsystems.co.nz> Lee Mensinger wrote: > > The sanding problem is always enhanced by the filler, so one way to ease > up the situation is to change the way you use filler. > I have virtually given up the use of traditional solvent based putties, prefering to use Milliput or other epoxy fillers. They can be finished really smooth with a damp cloth or finger tip, and a wet paintbrush will get you into those awkward little areas. The joy is that they don't shrink on curing so there is almost no sanding needed if you are careful to get the joint nice and smooth with the surrounding area- perhaps just a touch over with 400 grit paper, and a retouch with more epoxy here and there. It also helps to preserve any engraved surface detail around the joint area if you take care to wash the putty out of the detail while it is still wet,so there is less rescribing needed as a further bonus Try it, I'm sure you'll like it. Aidrian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:53:57 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: Robert, > The false pride that is the "filthy rags" of self-righteousness- I may > sometimes build an ok model, but this doesn't make me righteous nor does it > make me worthy of worship- whether by others (fat chance anyway!) or myself! I > do believe a bit of this false pride was involved in the beginnings of WW I. That's a valid point. Interesting to see that sort of thing was mentioned in a programme I saw recently on the Titanic........"our ship is unsinkable......we can do anything....we can conquer nature.....". That to me seems to fit well within the Biblical definition of sin. In fact one of the survivors reported that her mother had said that such things were "flying in the face of God". A > different word is needed to describe the sense of accomplishment people have > when they've done well at some task- "pride" is too loaded and misunderstood. Nothing wrong with the word, just with the conotations it's developed. Their concept of "pride" is why the Amish don't wear buttons on the outside of their clothing, and while I have the profoundest respect for them, I think their understanding is way too literal. > Theological soap box mode redirected off list!(it's never off) Likewise. Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 02:00:04 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Can't take it with you, was 'Sins' Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980422020004.007b5bd0@argonaut.net> There you are, I just arrive home late, after attending a party at the British Ambassador house celebrating the Queen's birthday, have a little insomnia, get into a theological analysis on the distant future ( hope so ) of modelers, trying to find a decent mail order shop in heaven and you pup up with this really good idea. Well I'll put some wood on the fire, why every one of us that feels like it, does not put a couple of those models that would never be built, in a box and mail them to you, ( well you started it, didn't you ? ) and you get in touch with the appropriate VA Hospital and make the donation in the name of this list? We can repeat this twice a year ? Lots of free space to buy new models Any support ? SALUDOS Alberto At 01:43 AM 22-04-98 -0400, you wrote: >Alberto Rada wrote: > isn't one of the most wonderful >> sensations on earth to finish a model, sit contemplating it just by >> yourself, and >> feel that pride that you just did a hell ( might be because of this word ?) >> of a good job ? > > >As a devout but tolerent non-believer, I must say that this is about as >close as I get to a religious experience. But Pastor Mick brought up a >good point. You can't take it with you. So while I'm not real concerned >about my soul, I am concerned about all those models I will probably >never get to build before I die(in the hopefully very distant future). >So I thought I'd share my plans with you guys. Except for claims from >any children or grandchildren who may have inherited my styrene madness, >all of my unbuilt models will be donated to the nearest VA Hospital when >I'm gone. Some of these people are never getting out of there. And what >better way to show my appreciation for my hobby and thanks to those who >served than to leave all my models of millitary hardware to the lonley >souls who operated it. And I would ask any of you guys who buy faster >than you build to consider doing the same. It's also a real nice way to >get rid of some of the kits you're no longer interested in while you're >still alive. And it's tax deductable for those who worship the dollar. >Contientious Atheist soapbox off. > >668 > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:36:29 -0700 From: "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." To: wwi Subject: Re: April 21,1918 Message-ID: > > A reminder that tomorrow is the 80th anniversary of the death of Manfred >von Richthofen. > As a boy in the 60's, when every boy in the neighborhood built WWI Auroras instead of playing computer games, my WWI hero was MvR. (Sorry, Sandy.) I still have some pages from a Cub Scout scrapbook project that I made about MvR using cut out photos from Life magazine's 50th anniversary of WWI issues. My father, who later died in 1970, bought me a Bantam Books paperback copy of Gibbon's "Red Knight of Germany" which I read again and again but lost many moves ago. At the UTD book sale, I dropped a wad of money but my most valuable purchase was a $2.00 Bantam Books paperback copy of the "Red Knight of Germany" complete with all the illustrations I which I remembered after all these years. As a boy, I grieved at MvR's death as only a boy can grieve for his hero. Now, I can be more philosophical about it. MvR's death on April 21, 1918, froze him in time in that honorable era of aerial combat when the swastika was merely an ancient good luck symbol that adorned some German aircraft and also the Spad of Raul Lufbery of the Lafayette Escadrille. It was not yet the symbol of the obscene evil that was Nazi Germany. If he had survived WWI, Mvr's fate would have been either to be sucked into that Nazi evil or to have taken the honorable way out by suicide as did Udet and Rommel. For his legacy, his death 80 years ago today was for the best. Fernando Lamas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 02:13:21 -0600 From: "Scott M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Aurora Halberstadt Cl.II fair price? Message-ID: <9804220217.aa07547@mail.iapc.net> Hi guys. Been following the theological circus- man, I'd love to debate it, but I have a question about a kit I've been coveting (well, I'm hoarding it, but will be selling it off soon) What's a fair asking price for an Aurora Halberstadt Cl.II in original box, no shrink wrap? I paid a pretty penny for it a few years ago, but will never build the thing and need to thin out the collection. Also, I have an Aurora Hadley Page 0/400 (last packaging by Aurora, the white box with the red/blue stripes) I'm getting rid of, don't have a clue as to price. Any ideas? (Heck, if you want them, make me an offer, but best to do it off the list. My e-mail is smh@iapc.net) Thanks! Scott M. Head IPMS/Houston IPMS/USA 32841 smh@iapc.net IPMS/Houston Scale Model Forum: http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 02:13:26 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Can't take it with you, was 'Sins' Message-ID: <353D9896.25F3@bellsouth.net> Alberto Rada wrote: > > There you are, I just arrive home late, after attending a party at the > British Ambassador house celebrating the Queen's birthday, have a > little insomnia, get into a theological analysis on the distant future > ( hope so ) of modelers, trying to find a decent mail order shop in heaven > and you pup up with this really good idea. > Well I'll put some wood on the fire, why every one of us that feels like > it, does > not put a couple of those models that would never be built, in a box and mail > them to you, ( well you started it, didn't you ? ) and you get in touch > with the > appropriate VA Hospital and make the donation in the name of this list? > We can repeat this twice a year ? > Lots of free space to buy new models > > Any support ? > > > SALUDOS > > Alberto > Alberto, Wow! I though I might inspire one or two people to stick that clause in thier wills. But I may have started an avalanche. And I don't mind. Let's see what kind of response we get from the list. As far as sending everything to me, I don't mind doing that. But I must say right now, I'm a terrible procrastinator. For that reason alone, I don't think I'm the best choice to administer something like this. I also don't see why the VA Hospital in New Orleans(my home town) should be the sole beneficiary of 'The List's' generosity. There's VA Hospitals all over the U.S., and The List is international. Other countries may have veterans hospitals as well. And the subscribers in those countries may want to do the same in their area. Not to mention the possibility of overkill; not everyone in the local VA Hosp. is going to want, or be able, to build a model. So it may be better to spread the models to more hospitals. And for that matter, Why just VA hospitals? We have a Childrens Hospital here in N.O., and I'm sure other cities do too. That would be not only nice, it would help perpetuate this fine hobby. (mmmmmm? a sneaky ulterior motive, get those young'uns started on Glenco and Smer kits from the start! We could start a new world order. Inspire a generation of 'List Youth'. Me-10-whatevers would no longer take up so much shelf space in the hobby shops. Blue Max would dominate the market at reasonable prices. aaahhhh!Utopia!) And last but not least, models are useless without glue and paint. With every pile of kits we give to a hospital, we shoould throw in a bottle or two of liquid cement(get em started right)and maybe one or two of those Testors Millitary Flats sets. A pack of emory boards and some inexpensive brushes would make it complete. But this could be a great thing. Lets see what happens. Ernest ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:43:37 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Aurora Halberstadt Cl.II fair price? Message-ID: <199804220743.AAA02825@ednet1.orednet.org> Scott Head writes: > >Hi guys. Been following the theological circus- man, I'd love to debate it, >but I have a question about a kit I've been coveting (well, I'm hoarding >it, but will be selling it off soon) > >What's a fair asking price for an Aurora Halberstadt Cl.II in original box, >no shrink wrap? I paid a pretty penny for it a few years ago, but will >never build the thing and need to thin out the collection. Oooh! A spendy kit on the collectors' market. Current CVG price on the Halberstadt is $80 and up - the "and up" meaning whatever the traffic will bear. This is a bit high in my opinion but a $50 price on this kit in A-1 condition is certainly justified and a bit more would not be a rip-off. >Also, I have an >Aurora Hadley Page 0/400 (last packaging by Aurora, the white box with the >red/blue stripes) I'm getting rid of, don't have a clue as to price. Certainly ya' mean Airfix, rather than Aurora? Aurora did the "bloody paralyzer" DH-10 but never the "bloody paralyzer" HP 0/400. As a collectors' kit, the Airfix 0/400 runs from $12-$15 and up, depending on the packaging and condition Some of the early packaging variations can be a lot more than $12-$15. Give me the kit number and I'll try to give a more precise KVG value. As a side note on the Halberstadt, this was one of the molds destroyed in the train wreck when the Aurora molds were being transferred from Aurora to Monogram in the early '70's. Thus, there is apparently no possibility of a Glencoe reissue of this kit - and thus, the high value. Not a bad kit, incidently, one of Aurora's best. But, as a builder kit rather than a collectors' kit, $80 or even $50 seems a bit steep. Still, Eduard kits go for $35 and up so this is, perhaps, not that much out of line. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:52:33 -0700 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: <199804220744.AA09451@egate2.citicorp.com> Mick Fauchon wrote: > > Alberto, > > > It looks like fun donwn there, lots of friends-modelers > > to talk to > > Hey! I don't want to spend an eternity roasting in hell with > you guys!.......though I hope to have talked our way out of that one 80) > OTOH, if I *have* to spend an eternity in hell, with whom better than > you guys!......I think 80/ > > > >> FWIW, > Hell would be that you can take kits with you, but only RESIN ones. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:41:29 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: April 21,1918 Message-ID: <199804221023.LAA12534@beryl.sol.co.uk> > Somehow, I don't think our hobby would have been the same if WWI's higest > scoring ace turned out to be Fonck. > Kevin Barrett. Yes, I wonder who it really was? (hee-hee-hee!) Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:17:26 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: April 21,1918 Message-ID: <199804221023.LAA12537@beryl.sol.co.uk> > I would say we're pretty safe from ever having France claim the highest > score for anything in any war.;-} ????????????????????? Once upon a time there was a man called Napoleon Bonaparte........... Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:09:14 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Flashback Morane - and - JMGT Hanriot Message-ID: <199804221023.LAA12529@beryl.sol.co.uk> > If for some reason you decide not to model either of these cracking > schemes, I can give the decals a good home with lots of other IRAS > sheets to keep them from getting lonely. Sorry Darius - kit was received on April 21st - not April 1st! (The first date sticks in my memory for some reason, but I can't think why - Oh well, just shows it can't have been anything important!) Matt's probably right about dimensions - I haven't checked it against the Datafile plans yet. Ignorance was bliss! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:06:04 -0700 From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton To: wwi Subject: Rolls Royce Armoured Cars -again... Message-ID: <353EDA4C.6B68@connectorsystems.co.nz> Does anyone know of a bookcalled "Rolls Royce Cars in War"? I have seen a copy of a 1972 reprint of the original 1919 book for sale at $US45. Cheers Aidrian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 04:31:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Hamblen To: wwi Subject: TOKO's N-11 and Snipe Message-ID: <19980422113124.7015.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> I went to Wroclaw last week and at the train station(!) they have a model shop and book store. They only had Toko's SSWIII but no N-11 or Snipe. I'm still looking. I promise to do a review of Hit-Kit's Alb.III (OEG) 253 that I bought last month. Nice molding and decals. Jeff == Jeff Hamblen NKJO-Opole, Poland ham545@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 07:38:01 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Re: Menckhoff's Albatros D.V Message-ID: <353DD699.30BD@worldnet.att.net> Dan-San Abbott lists a profile for Ltn. Karl Menckhoff's Albatros D.V circa August 1917. The serial number is only partaially known. High in the Empty Blue speculates that this guy might have been Menckhoff. Rhys Davids is supposed to have blasted a red nosed Albatros just after finishing with Voss. Menckhoff was shot down that day by an SE5 and his position and account are consistant with this supposition. John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 07:43:46 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: April 21,1918 Message-ID: <353DE602.7E91@bellsouth.net> Sandy Adam wrote: > > > I would say we're pretty safe from ever having France claim the highest > > score for anything in any war.;-} > > ????????????????????? > > Once upon a time there was a man called Napoleon Bonaparte........... > > Sandy And he was a looser too. E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:50:56 EDT From: Suvoroff To: wwi Subject: Re: April 21,1918 Message-ID: <5874aab.353de7b2@aol.com> "Once upon a time there was a man called Napoleon Bonaparte..........." who was an Italian originally named Napoleone di Buonaparte......... but your point is well taken. All countries have had their hour of glory. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:43:36 -0400 From: perrysm@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Dumping the mistress after purging the soul Message-ID: <19980422.094336.11982.0.perrysm@juno.com> All the recent fessin up of off topic dalliances has led me to cull the kit collection. I'm not trying go exclusively WWI, just make more room for kits I will actually build ...some day. (No good sneaking a new and expensive kit into the house only to find that the cupboard is full of kits and the Lady of the House is full of questions.) The local V.A hospital will certainly get a call, however whenever I have gotten rid of excess kits before, all the simpler kits go to kids of friends and co workers. We all love the "extras" now available that used to have to be scratch built. They won't be as available in the future unless there is a new generation of modelers clamoring for them. The most needful thing for new modelers besides encouragement is good advice. Would there be any interest from the list in collecting a series of how to type articles that could be either printed or put on disk and made generally available to the list so they could be given to aspiring modelers of any age? What I'm thinking of is perhaps a bit more basic than the FAQ page. It would be geared to new and inexperienced modelers, introducing some tips and techniques that will make it more likely that they will continue in the hobby. I'd be happy to compile articles into a useable format and make copies available, so if there is anyone interested in contributing to such a project, contact me off list and we can discuss this in detail. Steven Perry perrysm@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:49:47 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: April 21,1918 Message-ID: <199804221411.PAA21482@beryl.sol.co.uk> > > > I would say we're pretty safe from ever having France claim the highest > > > score for anything in any war.;-} > > > > ????????????????????? > > Once upon a time there was a man called Napoleon Bonaparte........... > And he was a looser too. > E. I assume you are referring to his baggy underpants? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:10:33 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: April 21,1918 Message-ID: <199804221411.PAA21485@beryl.sol.co.uk> > "Once upon a time there was a man called Napoleon Bonaparte..........." who > was an Italian originally named Napoleone di Buonaparte......... but your > point is well taken. All countries have had their hour of glory. > James D. Gray Thanks a bundle, James - Napoleon was a Corsican - he was born in Ajaccio in 1869. France took possession of Corsica in 1868 and Napoleon was born a French citizen - which is why he was eligible to be educated at the King's expense at the Ecole Militaire in Paris. In Corsica a strong patois is (still) spoken which mixes much Italian with French. Napoleone's name was originally rendered thus but then altered to the more acceptable French form. He had Italian ancestry but was always a Frenchman. Vive l'Empereur! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 07:26:25 -0800 From: Eric Fisher To: Subject: Alberto's & Shane's models Message-ID: <199804221430.HAA21088@mail.cwo.com> Alberto, Shane: Had a squizzy at your newest models: VERY NICE! Great jobs--and interesting subjects too. I've thought about how thrilling (scary?) it would be flying around in a low-wing monoplane (like the HB W-29), very exposed on the top side, looking for something below to shoot at (or for something above, shooting at you!). Wow! Great work, Eric. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:43:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: April 21,1918 Message-ID: Sandy, I respecfully assume that "1869" & "1868" below are typos. Matt Z. On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Sandy Adam wrote: > > "Once upon a time there was a man called Napoleon Bonaparte..........." > who > > was an Italian originally named Napoleone di Buonaparte......... but > your > > point is well taken. All countries have had their hour of glory. > > James D. Gray > > Thanks a bundle, James - Napoleon was a Corsican - he was born in Ajaccio > in 1869. France took possession of Corsica in 1868 and Napoleon was born a > French citizen - which is why he was eligible to be educated at the King's > expense at the Ecole Militaire in Paris. > > In Corsica a strong patois is (still) spoken which mixes much Italian with > French. Napoleone's name was originally rendered thus but then altered to > the more acceptable French form. He had Italian ancestry but was always a > Frenchman. Vive l'Empereur! > Sandy > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:08:23 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: April 21,1918 Message-ID: <01BD6DDE.F843C480.panz-meador@vsti.com> hey--don't forget billy bishop; had ww1 lasted longer, he could have fabricated an even longer victory list! maybe even gone on a couple more solo VC-winning hun airdrome raids!! phillip -----Original Message----- From: Bob Pearson [SMTP:bpearson@kaien.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 11:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: April 21,1918 Actually Fonck IS the highest scoring pilot in WW1. Just ask him :-) In his autobiography I seem to recall he says that he shot down over 125 aircraft. Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: Ernest Thomas > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: April 21,1918 > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:09:44 -0400 > > Kevin & Kimberley Barrett wrote: > > > > A thought or two: > > > > Somehow, I don't think our hobby would have been the same if WWI's higest > > scoring ace turned out to be Fonck. > > > > To Richtofen and all the others, rest in peace. > > > > Kevin Barrett. > > > I would say we're pretty safe from ever having France claim the highest > score for anything in any war.;-} > > I too raise my glass of choclate milk to the Baron. May his soul find > joy in Fighter Pilot Valhalla. > > 668 ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 993 *********************