WWI Digest 992 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: AEQ 12/Vickers F.B.4/5/6/9 by "Peter Crow" <888444222@email.msn.com> 2) April,21,1911 by BStett3770 3) Alberto's Models by Pedro e Francisca Soares 4) Re: Flashback Morane - and - JMGT Hanriot by mbittner@juno.com 5) Re: by Ernest Thomas 6) Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 7) Re: Salmson Stuff by "Rob." 8) Re: Flashback Morane - and - JMGT Hanriot by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 9) Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful by Ernest Thomas 10) Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful by Chris Cato 11) Re: April 21,1918 by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) 12) URGENT REQUEST by Peter Mitchell 13) Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful by lothar@televar.com (mark) 14) Re: April 21,1918 by Bill Bacon 15) Alberto's ships by Bill Bacon 16) Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful by Mick Fauchon 17) Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful by lothar@televar.com (mark) 18) Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful by Mick Fauchon 19) Re: April 21,1918 -Reply by Peter Mitchell 20) Re: Sanding by lothar@televar.com (mark) 21) Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful by Alberto Rada 22) Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful by Alberto Rada 23) Re: Salmson Stuff by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 24) Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful by KarrArt 25) Re: April 21,1918 by KarrArt 26) Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful by KarrArt 27) Re: Menckhoff's Albatros by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 28) Re: April 21,1918 by Ernest Thomas 29) Re: Sanding by Ernest Thomas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:17:30 -0700 From: "Peter Crow" <888444222@email.msn.com> To: Subject: Re: AEQ 12/Vickers F.B.4/5/6/9 Message-ID: <094260219191548UPIMSSMTPUSR02@email.msn.com> Hi Graham, I would like those files if you would,'t mind.. Thanks in advance... Peter Crow Venice, Calif. 888444222@msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 16:36:48 EDT From: BStett3770 To: wwi Subject: April,21,1911 Message-ID: <2afd2390.353d0362@aol.com> Hi Gang This date 1911 - Lt. H.H. Arnold ordered to Dayton, OH USA for flying instruction See something on April 21 that's not about Von R :-) Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:22:08 +0200 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Alberto's Models Message-ID: <01BD6D74.58ACDE80@fei1-p12.telepac.pt> Alberto Wow again. keep them coming, so that we can see'em. Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:37:17 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Flashback Morane - and - JMGT Hanriot Message-ID: <19980421.175758.13414.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 21 Apr 1998 06:20:50 -0400 "Sandy Adam" writes: > I also got the Flashback Morane I, which is also good. I > compared this with the earlier N and the plastic bits are the > same although the new one is substantially more flash-free. You > get 2 added brass frets with metal skis and suchlike on them as > well as a bag of resin bits with a very sharp cockpit interior, > prop blades, wooden skis etc. You get the same white metal > engine but new Russian transfers which include the best cockades > I have yet seen - no blue run-through into the red. One of the > subjects has those terrific triangular tricolour pennants for > the fuselage sides (4th Corps), as well as Smirmov's 19 Corps > Death's Head and a 2nd Corps machine with the wooden skis. Yet > more kits screaming to be built. I don't know why Eduard didn't change the kit - and is marketing it as a Type I. The I is - for the most part - all around bigger, and nowhere else does this show itself more than in the wings. Plus, the unique gun arrangement/"front of the cockpit spar" does not sound like Eduard/Flashback has included it. Just adding decals and skis does not a Type I make. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:12:28 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Message-ID: <353D35EC.2E5D@bellsouth.net> Pedro e Francisca Soares wrote: > BTW - since someone mentioned the Warlord Chronicles (I'm at present = > going through Vol. 2. - Enemy of God) may I'd like to point out to that = > someone the Pendragon Cycle, by Stephen Lawhead, (You've probably read = > it but if you didn't I can tell you that I enjoyed it much),. I haven't, but I'll look for it. EtH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:32:39 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: <353D39D3.4A30@ricochet.net> Ernest Thomas wrote: > original sin! If I remember my scripture correctly, the Book defines pride as original sin...so any time you're actually proud of the outcome of one of your projects (or maybe even merely satisfied) you're hitchhiking on the highway to hell. FWIW, Rev. Darius ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:43:32 +0000 From: "Rob." To: wwi Subject: Re: Salmson Stuff Message-ID: <199804220047.UAA18962@cliff.concentric.net> The Dorand was, I believe, a government-built aircraft designed by an artillery officer named Dorand. It went by the manufacturer, not the designer (just as we have SPAD, not Bechereau) > > Riordan writes: > > >Jim Elkins wrote: > > -snips- > > >>or Dorand A.R. (Antique Rattletrap!) I would be grateful. > > > >Can't find this one in the French book. Did it have another > >designation/name/number? > > Check pages 37 et seq. of the "French book" under A.R.1 and > A.R.2. The "Dorand" was apparently a popular appellation > for the type but was not a part of the official designation. > > Cheers and all, > > > > > -- > Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org > > > > Rob To e-mail me, replace the l with the numeral 1. Visit Chandelle, the Web Journal of Aviation History ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:55:50 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Flashback Morane - and - JMGT Hanriot Message-ID: <353D4016.6625@ricochet.net> Sandy Adam wrote: > new Russian transfers which include the best cockades I have yet seen > no blue run-through into the red. One of the subjects has those >terrific triangular tricolour pennants for the fuselage sides (4th > Corps), as well as Smirmov's 19 Corps Death's Head and a 2nd Corps >machine with the wooden skis. If for some reason you decide not to model either of these cracking schemes, I can give the decals a good home with lots of other IRAS sheets to keep them from getting lonely. Cheers, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:31:49 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: <353D4885.59E8@bellsouth.net> Michelle and Rory Goodwin wrote: > > Ernest Thomas wrote: > > > original sin! > > If I remember my scripture correctly, the Book defines pride as original > sin...so any time you're actually proud of the outcome of one of your > projects (or maybe even merely satisfied) you're hitchhiking on the > highway to hell. > > FWIW, > > Rev. Darius Looks like I'm in for a long, hot, eternity. Sincerely, 668 Neighbor of the Beast ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:42:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Cato To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: Gentelmen, I too have sinned and, alas, I'm afraid I will yet again. Since I began bulding again I have only touched WW1 (Pfalz and SS D.III's) but in my previous life I built much of the WWII aluminum and olive drab beasties and a share of those-that-n'er-had-props. Now that I've been reborn all my interests seem to lie in WW1 and historical oddities. God help me for the last 6 months I have felt a compulsion so strong I'm not sure I have the strength to resist...as I have yet to tackle a scratch build it may be one of the great tests of my life...a 1/48 Tarrant Tabor. That and a Lohner Triplane...( I can't get those dang three-winged thingies out of my head!) Dare I start myself down this path? Anyone have a reasonably accurate 3 view? Chris Cato ------------------------------------------------- email at: tcato@bgnet.bgsu.edu webbed at: http://www.bgsu.edu/~tcato/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:36:09 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) To: wwi Subject: Re: April 21,1918 Message-ID: A thought or two: Somehow, I don't think our hobby would have been the same if WWI's higest scoring ace turned out to be Fonck. To Richtofen and all the others, rest in peace. Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:30:39 +1000 From: Peter Mitchell To: wwi Subject: URGENT REQUEST Message-ID: Dear list, Sorry about this people, but I need the the address of some easily accessable model/hobby shops in the following places, and I need them pretty soon..... like now. Kiev Lvov Prague (I know this has been asked before) My boss is going over-seas tomorrow and is visiting the above (so I've given him a small list of things, mostly photo-etch. He wants a few shops to try) Any suggestions greatfully accepted. Once again my apologies for the urgency of the request. Thanks in advance. Pete. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:40:37 -0700 (PDT) From: lothar@televar.com (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: <199804220240.TAA20305@concord.televar.com> >Okay folks, > >This One -Oh- thingy thread has reminded me of another thread which came >our way a few years ago, but which would have been missed by many of >the newer members of the list. I thought it might be entertaining to ask >the list members if they are *truly* faithful to the one true way, >generally faithful, or just plain old adulterers. In my younger, and much more foolish days, I was involved - as many of you poor wretched sinners still are - in modeling several, yea, even **many** non-WWI subjects. On two occasions this even involved non-propellor driven aircraft! I am not proud of this, my brothers, I only point it out to let you know that, yes, I have been there too. However, in 1994 I was called out of this styrene Babylon (where the false gods of Hasegawa and many others are worshipped) into the one true modeling faith. Not that it was easy - I spent 40 days in the desert wrestling with the Glencoe DIII - but after that purifying experience, walking the straight and narrow has been no problem.... Actually, the truth of the matter is that, at the rate I build models, it will take at least one lifetime to finish all the 1/48 WWI kits I want to build.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:46:22 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: April 21,1918 Message-ID: <353D59FE.BCFF7E79@netjava.net> To the sentiments of Kevin and others, a humble Amen. Cheers, Bill B. Kevin & Kimberley Barrett wrote: > A thought or two: > > Somehow, I don't think our hobby would have been the same if WWI's higest > scoring ace turned out to be Fonck. > > To Richtofen and all the others, rest in peace. > > Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:51:45 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Alberto's ships Message-ID: <353D5B41.D7C5AE99@netjava.net> If you haven't checked these out you are missing some awesome models. Alberto, you are aman of many wonderful talents. Cheers, Bill B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:58:53 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: Dear Darius, > If I remember my scripture correctly, the Book defines pride as original > sin.. Now I don't want to get involved in a protracted theological debate here, but you've raised an interesting question. Really I don't think we have a great deal to worry about. Though the Biblical understanding of sin is pride, it's as I understand it, one of those "yes, but...." questions. In this respect I would seen sin in it's original sense as setting oneself up as God; Adam and Eve were guilty of this in trying to replace God in the God/man relationship with themselves, i.e. of trying to make themselves gods. That man [in the generic Biblical sense] is still guilty of this is a sine qua non of the human condition, hence we are all partakers of that "inherited" sin. ["Thou shalt have no other gods but me"] That having been said, there is no reason we should not have "pride in" something/someone, or in our achievements, or satisfaction in what we do well......in fact, that would be putting our God-given talents to good use, and pleasing to God, whom we are in fact praising or honouring, or even worshipping by doing so. What needs to be mentioned here is also the "graven image or like- ness of anything that is in heaven or on earth"; I don't understand any stricture against this *as such*.....as long as we don't "fall down to them or worship them". So on that score we should be pretty safe. .so any time you're actually proud of the outcome of one of your > projects (or maybe even merely satisfied) you're hitchhiking on the > highway to hell. In the light of the above, I'd say definitely not. Though I would caution against hitch-hiking in general, especially in theological terms, as you can never be quite sure as to who's going to stop to give you a ride.......or where you will end up [c.f. Adam and Eve again]. All-in-all, I don't see that we've got a great deal to worry about. Though our road to Heaven may not be assured for other reasons, I don't think it's likely to be endangered by modelling. > FWIW, It's worth thinking about 80) > > Rev. Darius [Pastor] Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:53:44 -0700 (PDT) From: lothar@televar.com (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: <199804220253.TAA24717@concord.televar.com> >Not a confession- a proclamation! (the last of the protesting protestants?): >WW I is my first love, but I enjoy all kinds of things- I'm probably the only >kid on my block with a 12" tall model of Beowulf presenting the head of >Grendel to Hrothgar. Actually read Beowulf when I was 10 (not that I claim to have understood it all at the time). My parents never looked at me the same again after that... >As for models actually built, I guess the >last thirteen list looks something like this, in no particular order: [snippage] >11. Howard Hughes 1/6 (" ") Cool! Was that the "Early" Howard Hughes, or the "Late - Paranoid in Las Vegas with Scraggly Hair, Beard and 9" Fingernails" version? Any truth to the rumor that Aurora double-kitted this one with a 1/6 Jane Russell? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:01:39 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: > Looks like I'm in for a long, hot, eternity. If that's the case [and I have no reason to believe that it is], don't take any kits with you.....they're not likely to make it 80) Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:05:57 +1000 From: Peter Mitchell To: wwi Subject: Re: April 21,1918 -Reply Message-ID: >A thought or two: >Somehow, I don't think our hobby would have been the same if WWI's >higest scoring ace turned out to be Fonck. Who? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:27:29 -0700 (PDT) From: lothar@televar.com (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: Sanding Message-ID: <199804220327.UAA05649@concord.televar.com> >> Bob Pearson wrote: [snippage of several great musician jokes that produced much ROTFL around here] OK, I'll chime in here... - How many folk singers does it take to change a light bulb? - Five. One to change the light bulb, and four to sing songs about how good the old light bulb was. - What's the difference between a puppy and a singer-songwriter? - Eventually, the puppy stops whining. - What constitutes foreplay in Australia? - 'AY! WAKE UP! To tie this in to something on-topic, I'm sure MvR (Peace be upon him) enjoyed a good joke now and then.... MR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:24:00 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980421232400.00859c50@argonaut.net> It looks like fun donwn there, lots of friends-modelers to talk to SALUDOS Alberto At 09:39 PM 21-04-98 -0400, you wrote: >Michelle and Rory Goodwin wrote: >> >> Ernest Thomas wrote: >> >> > original sin! >> >> If I remember my scripture correctly, the Book defines pride as original >> sin...so any time you're actually proud of the outcome of one of your >> projects (or maybe even merely satisfied) you're hitchhiking on the >> highway to hell. >> >> FWIW, >> >> Rev. Darius > > >Looks like I'm in for a long, hot, eternity. > >Sincerely, >668 >Neighbor of the Beast > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:42:52 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980421234252.0085c660@argonaut.net> Thanks Mick What a relieve, looks like well spend eternity discussing models in a much cooler and certainly nicer atmosphere, and we might even take some kits with us, so what am I waiting to fill another closet. I normally don't joke with these matters, but isn't one of the most wonderful sensations on earth to finish a model, sit contemplating it just by yourself, and feel that pride that you just did a hell ( might be because of this word ?) of a good job ? I am sure GOD felt the same when he made this lovely diorama SALUDOS Alberto At 10:56 PM 21-04-98 -0400, you wrote: > > > Dear Darius, > > >> If I remember my scripture correctly, the Book defines pride as original >> sin.. > > Now I don't want to get involved in a protracted theological >debate here, but you've raised an interesting question. Really I don't >think we have a great deal to worry about. > Though the Biblical understanding of sin is pride, it's as I >understand it, one of those "yes, but...." questions. In this respect I >would seen sin in it's original sense as setting oneself up as God; Adam >and Eve were guilty of this in trying to replace God in the God/man >relationship with themselves, i.e. of trying to make themselves gods. >That man [in the generic Biblical sense] is still guilty of this is a >sine qua non of the human condition, hence we are all partakers of that >"inherited" sin. ["Thou shalt have no other gods but me"] > That having been said, there is no reason we should not have "pride >in" something/someone, or in our achievements, or satisfaction in what we >do well......in fact, that would be putting our God-given talents to good >use, and pleasing to God, whom we are in fact praising or honouring, or >even worshipping by doing so. > What needs to be mentioned here is also the "graven image or like- >ness of anything that is in heaven or on earth"; I don't understand any >stricture against this *as such*.....as long as we don't "fall down to them >or worship them". So on that score we should be pretty safe. > >.so any time you're actually proud of the outcome of one of your >> projects (or maybe even merely satisfied) you're hitchhiking on the >> highway to hell. > > In the light of the above, I'd say definitely not. Though I would >caution against hitch-hiking in general, especially in theological terms, >as you can never be quite sure as to who's going to stop to give you a >ride.......or where you will end up [c.f. Adam and Eve again]. > > All-in-all, I don't see that we've got a great deal to worry >about. Though our road to Heaven may not be assured for other reasons, >I don't think it's likely to be endangered by modelling. > >> FWIW, > > It's worth thinking about 80) > >> >> Rev. Darius > > [Pastor] Mick. > > > >-- -- >Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au >Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 >University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 > > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > M M > M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M > M M > M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M > M M > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:45:10 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Salmson Stuff Message-ID: <199804220345.UAA14322@ednet1.orednet.org> Rob wrote: >The Dorand was, I believe, a government-built aircraft designed by an >artillery officer named Dorand. It went by the manufacturer, not the >designer (just as we have SPAD, not Bechereau) Colonel Dorand was not involved in the actual design of the A.R.1 - rather he formulated the specifications for the reconaissance aircraft which eventually became the A.R.1. The actual designer was Captain G. Lepere who also designed the LUSAC-11. Cheers and all -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:57:59 EDT From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: <70535842.353d6ac9@aol.com> In a message dated 98-04-21 22:53:49 EDT, you write: << pride, it's as I understand it, one of those "yes, but...." questions. In this respect I would seen sin in it's original sense as setting oneself up as God; Adam and Eve were guilty of this in trying to replace God in the God/man >> The false pride that is the "filthy rags" of self-righteousness- I may sometimes build an ok model, but this doesn't make me righteous nor does it make me worthy of worship- whether by others (fat chance anyway!) or myself! I do believe a bit of this false pride was involved in the beginnings of WW I.A different word is needed to describe the sense of accomplishment people have when they've done well at some task- "pride" is too loaded and misunderstood. Theological soap box mode redirected off list!(it's never off) Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:57:58 EDT From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: April 21,1918 Message-ID: <488780c2.353d6ac8@aol.com> In a message dated 98-04-21 22:35:20 EDT, you write: << Somehow, I don't think our hobby would have been the same if WWI's higest scoring ace turned out to be Fonck. To Richtofen and all the others, rest in peace. >> Ewwwww Yuck- Fonck as top dog? Not nearly as nice as the cuddly Prussian. On a serious note, the previous posting about Hap Arnold reporting for flight training really is the more important historical note.MvR just doesn't carry the same weight as the man who led the USAAF in WW II- his preparation for aerial leadership starting in 1911. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:58:00 EDT From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: <59b50742.353d6aca@aol.com> In a message dated 98-04-21 22:55:16 EDT, you write: << >Not a confession- a proclamation! (the last of the protesting protestants?): >WW I is my first love, but I enjoy all kinds of things- I'm probably the only >kid on my block with a 12" tall model of Beowulf presenting the head of >Grendel to Hrothgar. Actually read Beowulf when I was 10 (not that I claim to have understood it all at the time). My parents never looked at me the same again after that... >As for models actually built, I guess the >last thirteen list looks something like this, in no particular order: [snippage] >11. Howard Hughes 1/6 (" ") Cool! Was that the "Early" Howard Hughes, or the "Late - Paranoid in Las Vegas with Scraggly Hair, Beard and 9" Fingernails" version? Any truth to the rumor that Aurora double-kitted this one with a 1/6 Jane Russell? Mark>> I read it as a kid too- the not-so-hot Burton Raffel translation, and I still loved it. The Hughes I made was the 1930's aerial hot dog record buster, depicted after he'd just landed his Electra on the around the world flight. Uh, if Jane Russel was in the kit, it would've had to have been a quadruple kit- she was double just by herself (themselves?) Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:03:24 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Menckhoff's Albatros Message-ID: <199804220403.VAA23233@ednet1.orednet.org> James Gibbons wrote: > >I was wondering if anyone has any information on color schemes for Ltn. >Menckhoff's Jasta 3 Albatros. In particular I am interested in the >aircraft that he would have been flying on September 23, 1917 when he >allegedly came to the aid (briefly) of Voss in his fight against 56 >squadron. In the absence of information on Menckhoff's own aircraft, >information on Jasta 3's markings around this time would be greatly >appreciated. >Thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer. Alas, I've come up dry on this one - indeed, surprisingly, the Jasta colors notes in "The Jasta Pilots" omits Jasta 3 entirely and I'm unable to find any other references to Jasta 3 markings. It seems to be a "phantom" Jasta so far as its marking go. Captain G. H. Bowman of C Flight, 56 sqdn noted observing Voss's triplane and a "red-nosed Albatros" engaged with B Flight's SE 5's when he first arrived on the scene but the "red-nosed Albatros" sounds more like a Jasta 11 aircraft. However, presumably the Albatros was not any of Voss's original companions as they were all from Jasta 10 and should have been flying yellow-nosed Albatri (and Pfalzes) Where did you find the reference that Menckhoff was involved in the Voss fight? That's one I'd not seen before. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:03:54 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: April 21,1918 Message-ID: <353D6C2A.7BF4@bellsouth.net> Kevin & Kimberley Barrett wrote: > > A thought or two: > > Somehow, I don't think our hobby would have been the same if WWI's higest > scoring ace turned out to be Fonck. > > To Richtofen and all the others, rest in peace. > > Kevin Barrett. I would say we're pretty safe from ever having France claim the highest score for anything in any war.;-} I too raise my glass of choclate milk to the Baron. May his soul find joy in Fighter Pilot Valhalla. 668 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:11:04 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Sanding Message-ID: <353D6DD8.2B78@bellsouth.net> mark wrote: > > >> Bob Pearson wrote: > > [snippage of several great musician jokes that produced much ROTFL around here] > > OK, I'll chime in here... > > - How many folk singers does it take to change a light bulb? > > - Five. One to change the light bulb, and four to sing songs about how good > the old light bulb was. > > - What's the difference between a puppy and a singer-songwriter? > > - Eventually, the puppy stops whining. > > - What constitutes foreplay in Australia? > > - 'AY! WAKE UP! > > To tie this in to something on-topic, I'm sure MvR (Peace be upon him) > enjoyed a good joke now and then.... > > MR Ok, I can't resist. What has 100 legs and 6 teeth? The front row at a Willie Nelson concert. 668 ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 992 *********************