WWI Digest 987 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Light at the End of the Tunnel by mbittner@juno.com 2) Re: Walk Around Photos by "Eli Geher" 3) Re: New Thread/Sanding by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 4) Re: Stringbag Thread by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 5) Sanding by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 6) Re: Walk Around Photos by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 7) Roland C-II/III Colors by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 8) Re: Sanding (& filling) by KarrArt 9) Re: Light at the End of the Tunnel by KarrArt 10) Hobinka R-1 (DH9A) Addenda by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 11) Re: Light at the End of the Tunnel by Ernest Thomas 12) Re: Roland C-II/III Colors by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 13) Re: New Thread/Sanding by Ernest Thomas 14) Re: Roland C-II/III Colors/Audiobabble by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 15) Re: Sanding (& filling) by Ernest Thomas 16) Re: Roland C-II/III Colors/Audiobabble by Bob Pearson 17) Re: Roland C-II/III Colors/Audiobabble by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 18) Re: Roland C-II/III Colors/Audiobabble by Ernest Thomas 19) RE: Australian slang - as if! by Shane Weier 20) Re: Australian slang - as if! by Ernest Thomas 21) RE: Stringbag Thread by Shane Weier 22) Re: New Thread/Sanding by mbittner@juno.com 23) RE: Sanding (& filling) by Shane Weier 24) Sins of the (mostly) faithful by Shane Weier 25) Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful by "Steve Belanger" 26) RE: Sins of the (mostly) faithful by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 27) Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful by "Peter Crow" <888444222@email.msn.com> 28) Re: New Thread/Sanding by Ernest Thomas 29) Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful by Ernest Thomas 30) Sins of the (mostly) faithful by "Charles Duckworth" 31) Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful by Kenneth Hagerup 32) RE: Sins of the (mostly) faithful by Shane Weier 33) Sins of the (mostly) faithful -Reply by Peter Mitchell ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 12:46:56 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Light at the End of the Tunnel Message-ID: <19980419.130109.14278.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 23:50:24 -0400 Heretic wanna-be Bob Pearson writes: >Ernest (henceforth refered to as "the Heretic") wrote . . . . > >> Ok! I must know. What is the big deal about 109's. They're beautiful >> airplanes. And I'll shout 109 from the rooftops and don't care who >hears >> it. Here I go; 109,109,109,109,109,109,109,109,109,109!!!!! >> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! > > >Now that laugh shows the true depths this poor soul has sunk to. Someone >shoot him and put him out of our misery. :-) > >I think the 'dreaded number' has something to due with the endless variants >of the type that can be found in kit form and the mindless devotion that >those who build that era lavish on it - I really must build those ten kits >soon. Man, Bob. You had the best chance of becoming Saint Bob, especially with your profiles. Now you claim you're going to build some? Manohmanohman...what was the price of your soul? :-) Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 12:53:16 -0500 From: "Eli Geher" To: Subject: Re: Walk Around Photos Message-ID: <199804191800.NAA23246@sh1.ro.com> For anyone looking for modeling subject collections along that area of the Gulf coast, there are actually 4 worthwhile sites in a relatively small area. The best one is at Pensacola, but the battleship Alabama is the center of a collection of ships and aircraft at Mobile, Alabama. Nothing earlier than WWII, though. Its less than an hours drive to the west. The museum at Eglin AF base is less than hours drive east from Pensacola and is mainly devoted to aircraft armament, since Eglin's main mission is armament development. About an hour northeast from Eglin is the US Army aviation museum at Fort Rucker in Alabama. Its light on early aviation, but is a large and varied collection otherwise. There are probably more helicopters there than you'd find anywhere else. Its been a few years since I've been down that way. Maybe I need to be planning a trip myself. Eli Geher ---------- > From: Ernest Thomas > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Walk Around Photos > Date: Sunday, April 19, 1998 10:19 AM > > perrysm@juno.com wrote: > > > > > > Last time I was there, the Air Force armaments Museum at Eglin AFB had an > > Albatros and an SE 5. The Mercedes engine was removed for display and the > > Acft hung up. If you're in town it's worth an afternoon. > > > > Enjoy your trip > > sp > > > How far is Elgin AFB from Pensacola NAS? If it's not too far, I may try > to make it there as well. However, I've already shot a D-IIIa engine in > detail. Is the Se5 on the ground and easily photographed? > > Ernest the Heretic ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:27:21 -0400 From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: New Thread/Sanding Message-ID: <199804191827.OAA06829@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 11:33 AM 4/18/98 -0400, Ernest Thomas wrote: >>The other problem you are having is the silver paint. For some reason, >silver will show scratches that other colors will hide. I think this >might be due to the reflective nature of the silver paint. Ernest I had wondered if this might be true, since the only time it cropped up was on silver painted Nieuports...I figured it couldn't be the Nieuports ;-} Thanks for the help. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:27:23 -0400 From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Stringbag Thread Message-ID: <199804191827.OAA06835@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 12:44 PM 4/18/98 -0400, Charles Duckworth wrote: >Wondering what the list members would vote for the model that they've built >(or at least seen built) that had the most struts and rigging? > >I'd cast a vote towards the FE2b. I don't know if its even close to the most, but the AVRO 504 I made had way too much rigging! It took forever. Looks pretty good with all the rigging...makes up for the poor job I did on the struts! Mike Muth nl:Allman Brothers (Need to deviate from the ethereal stuff once in awhile!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:46:31 -0400 From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Sanding Message-ID: <199804191846.OAA06945@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Ernest Matt, Matt, John, Joey and anyone else on this thread Thanks. Lots of good ideas...I really like the toothpaste one. I love weird solutions like that. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:46:33 -0400 From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Walk Around Photos Message-ID: <199804191846.OAA06951@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Ernest the Heretic OK, I gotta put in a plug for my favorite, the Wildcat. Any photo showing the Atlantic scheme(Light grey over white) would be great.....and did someone mention they had a Hanriot???!!!!! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:46:35 -0400 From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Roland C-II/III Colors Message-ID: <199804191846.OAA06957@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I forget who first suggested using Model Masters Flanker Pale Blue for the Roland (Riordan??) but I'm just about done with mine, and the color looks great. Thanks to whoever it was ;-) Mike Muth nl: Still Allman Brothers Anthology. There was this God awful song that was just on, a duet by Greg and Cher recorded during one of the weeks they were married. Gotta use the song skip next time. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 15:21:57 EDT From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Sanding (& filling) Message-ID: In a message dated 98-04-19 11:07:31 EDT, you write: << Have you tried odorless CA? It solves the fogging problem. >> I must've been asleep at some point (entirely likely) 'cause I'm not familiar with this product.What brand? Generally available?Tell me more! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 15:21:58 EDT From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Light at the End of the Tunnel Message-ID: <38b5c5eb.353a4ed9@aol.com> In a message dated 98-04-19 14:01:48 EDT, you write: << >I simply must add:109,109 109,109,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hee,hee, heee,heeee >Robert K. And here he was becoming Saint Robert, especially after scratchbuilding the O/400. Ha! You're in the same boat as the other's now, Robert! You will see the errors of your ways... Without scratchbuilding *any* parts, you will *correct* the Aurora Gotha. You must use all kit supplied parts *only*!! Let's see if he can atone for his sins now! ;-) Matt Bittner >> Hee Hee Hee- for your sins of excessive scale pride, you must scratchbuild an Me109B,E,F,G AND K- all in 1/18! Robert K. the other Heretic (nailing his theses to the cathedral door!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 12:45:48 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Hobinka R-1 (DH9A) Addenda Message-ID: <353A546C.1FB8@ricochet.net> Awhile back, Riordan wrote: >I would say it compares favorably to some of Airfix's best kits. Put >the fuselage on some old plans and it looks pretty close; >radiator/grill looks good too. Comes w/ very basic interior incl. seat, >floor and instrument panel. Decal sheet includes two types of red star >insignia and inflammatory Bolshevik slogans. >The minor problems are: >Pilot's cockpit opening a bit large w/ slightly overstated padding, >observer's cockpit perhaps slightly misplaced & a bit small, textured >flying uppersurfaces(admittedly a minor annoyance), slightly overstated >wing ribs on uppersurfaces, upper wing a bit warped, slightly >understated louvers, wingtips a bit rounder than they should be >(probably correctable with sanding), tailplane/elevators wrong >shape/slightly undersized, short, fat guns, propellor boss missing a >couple bolts. Upon receipt of current Ian Stair drawings (thanks Barry!, some serious scale 'issues' become apparent: Span about 5mm too wide, chord 2-3mm out; radiator cowl + fuselage 5mm too long; fuselage has 'facets' for some reason along sides of decking between cowling and cockpit and fuselage is perhaps 1mm too wide overall; cockpit padding overstated & observer/gunner's cockpit opening too small, decking between cockpits wrong/different; wheels differ from RAF types. The whole kit is possibly slightly overscale except for the empennage and prop, which for some reason are virtually spot-on. The wings have the wash-board effect as with the Airfix Pup. Although all of the above are probably correctable, those wanting a correct Ninack with less work may want to hunt down a Pegasus (?) kit. Good luck as they're outta print (I think Barry has one listed at Rosemont). Hope I didn't dash anyone's schemes for building a flight of 9As... Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 15:04:34 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Light at the End of the Tunnel Message-ID: <353A58D2.64B4@bellsouth.net> mbittner@juno.com wrote: > > On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 23:26:34 -0400 Ernest Thomas > writes: > > >Ok! I must know. What is the big deal about 109's. They're beautiful > >airplanes. And I'll shout 109 from the rooftops and don't care who hears > >it. Here I go; 109,109,109,109,109,109,109,109,109,109!!!!! > >hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! > > Heretic! HERETIC!! Burn him at the stake. Start the fire with all > those 10whatever plastic kits. That will make a HUGE fire! > > Matt Bittner > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] 109109109109109109109109109109109109109109109109109109109109109109109109 hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BURN THIS SAXON DOG!!!:) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:02:41 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Roland C-II/III Colors Message-ID: <353A5861.452@ricochet.net> Mary-Ann/Michael wrote: > > I forget who first suggested using Model Masters Flanker Pale Blue for the Roland (Riordan??) but I'm just about done with mine, and the color looks great. Thanks to whoever it was Your welcome. Don't you just love no-mix outta the bottle colors? Since I try to model using Kelley Johnson's KISS principle (keep it simple stupid!) I'm always lurking about the paint racks looking for off-the shelf colors. Incidentally, there's another Testor's pale blue that looks like a fair match for Gotha G.III/IV schemes, which seem IMHO like they *might* have been a bit lighter than Walfisch blue. Although it's in the French section, I don't remember the name -- have to get back to you/y'all on that. Glad to contribute in any way to the splendid and frequently spectacular efforts of list members at preserving Great War aviation history. Riordan ;-) > Mike Muth > nl: Still Allman Brothers Anthology. There was this God awful song that was > just on, a duet by Greg and Cher recorded during one of the weeks they were > married. Gotta use the song skip next time. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 15:12:26 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: New Thread/Sanding Message-ID: <353A5AAA.7868@bellsouth.net> Actually, now that you mention it, it probably is the Nieuports. Why not abandon the homely sister and go after the Super-babe N.28! (ducking bittnerbullets...) E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:12:32 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Roland C-II/III Colors/Audiobabble Message-ID: <353A5AB0.49F5@ricochet.net> Mary-Ann/Michael wrote: > nl: Still Allman Brothers Anthology. There was this God awful song that was just on, a duet by Greg and Cher recorded during one of the weeks they were married. Gotta use the song skip next time. I've been able to successfully avoid hearing sour tracks like that by utilizing archaic cassette recording technology to 'high-grade' my CDs and other aural media into tapes of only the stuff I really wish to resonate. It's labor-intensive initially, but more than pays for itself in the long term. FWIW, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 15:20:50 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Sanding (& filling) Message-ID: <353A5CA2.6E94@bellsouth.net> KarrArt wrote: > > In a message dated 98-04-19 11:07:31 EDT, you write: > > << Have you tried odorless CA? It solves the fogging problem. >> > > I must've been asleep at some point (entirely likely) 'cause I'm not familiar > with this product.What brand? Generally available?Tell me more! > Robert K. The stuff I use is made by Super-Bond. It's the bottle in the gold lable so they call it Super-Gold. But I think any other mfg. who makes a variety of CA products should also have an ordorless CA in their line. Just make sure the lable says 'ODORLESS'. If you can't find it locally, let me know. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:43:05 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Roland C-II/III Colors/Audiobabble Message-ID: <20430567801643@KAIEN.COM> > > nl: Still Allman Brothers Anthology. There was this God awful song that was just on, a duet by Greg and Cher recorded during one of the weeks they were married. Gotta use the song skip next time. > > I've been able to successfully avoid hearing sour tracks like that by > utilizing archaic cassette recording technology to 'high-grade' my CDs > and other aural media into tapes of only the stuff I really wish to > resonate. > It's labor-intensive initially, but more than pays for itself in the > long term. But you still have to get up and turn it over every 45 minutes :-) When Dusty is on I just leave the repeat function going and every few hours put the next disc in - it is three discs, or have I mentioned that before? Bob BTW how many dics are on this Allman Bros. set. I have a 3 disc Lynyrd Skynyrd set that is pretty neat as well - the original demo version of Freebird ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:47:01 -0400 From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Roland C-II/III Colors/Audiobabble Message-ID: <199804192047.QAA07543@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 04:20 PM 4/19/98 -0400, Michelle and Rory Goodwin wrote: >I've been able to successfully avoid hearing sour tracks like that by >utilizing archaic cassette recording technology to 'high-grade' my CDs >and other aural media into tapes of only the stuff I really wish to >resonate. >It's labor-intensive initially, but more than pays for itself in the >long term. Yep...used the same system myself until my daughter got me an fm/cd only player for the car. Really cuts down on the tape usage...limited pretty much now to modeling time!. Mike Muth Original Message >Mary-Ann/Michael wrote: > >> nl: Still Allman Brothers Anthology. There was this God awful song that was just on, a duet by Greg and Cher recorded during one of the weeks they were married. Gotta use the song skip next time. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:08:11 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Roland C-II/III Colors/Audiobabble Message-ID: <353A67BB.7123@bellsouth.net> Bob Pearson wrote: > > > > nl: Still Allman Brothers Anthology. There was this God awful song that > was just on, a duet by Greg and Cher recorded during one of the weeks they > were married. Gotta use the song skip next time. > > > > I've been able to successfully avoid hearing sour tracks like that by > > utilizing archaic cassette recording technology to 'high-grade' my CDs > > and other aural media into tapes of only the stuff I really wish to > > resonate. > > It's labor-intensive initially, but more than pays for itself in the > > long term. > > But you still have to get up and turn it over every 45 minutes :-) When > Dusty is on I just leave the repeat function going and every few hours put > the next disc in - it is three discs, or have I mentioned that before? > > Bob > BTW how many dics are on this Allman Bros. set. I have a 3 disc Lynyrd > Skynyrd set that is pretty neat as well - the original demo version of > Freebird Skynyrd SUCKS! And if there's a hell, 'Freebird' is what they play in the waiting room. the Heretic ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:32:27 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Australian slang - as if! Message-ID: <199804192145.HAA27643@mimmon.mim.com.au> Sandy >Bit difficult when its really just old hand-me-down British slang - usually Luckily you're only half right. It's mostly hand me down *English* slang, at once saving me the trouble of learning another language to be rude in, and of having any serious connection to the Scots, a people who seem to turn up a high percentage of acquaintances I wouldn't piss on if they were burning to death. >mispronounced at that! No originality these Australians! You don't have a >squint for God's sake (unless you are cross-eyed - cock-eyed as we say) >you TAKE a squint at something! You might TAKE a squint old man, but language and life stand still for no-one. My English is *Australian* English, a living language..... >Bloody ex-colonials. ....which is probably connected to the "ex" in the line above. Shane. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:37:44 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Australian slang - as if! Message-ID: <353A6EA8.F6C@bellsouth.net> Shane Weier wrote: > You might TAKE a squint old man, but language and life stand still for > no-one. Touche' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:53:40 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Stringbag Thread Message-ID: <199804192206.IAA28063@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hi all, I'm a little late joining this thread but... >Wondering what the list members would vote for the model that they've built >(or at least seen built) that had the most struts and rigging? Not built by me, but I think the Caproni triplane built many years ago by Chris Gannon (now of Pegasus and Blue Max fame) gets my vote. Don't recall precisely what version, but this was the big multi bay triplane (perhaps the seaplane version ?) Ca-Fortysomething IIRC he won the UK IPMS Nats best of show with it. A maze of rigging in all those bays between two sets of wings - and apparently he enjoyed rigging it too, because the story is that he had accidentally built it with an extra bay of struts (and rigging !!) in each wing :-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:13:02 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: New Thread/Sanding Message-ID: <19980419.171609.11438.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:18:06 -0400 Ernest Thomas writes: >Actually, now that you mention it, it probably is the Nieuports. Why not >abandon the homely sister and go after the Super-babe N.28! >(ducking bittnerbullets...) Been there; done that. You? Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:22:37 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Sanding (& filling) Message-ID: <199804192236.IAA29070@mimmon.mim.com.au> Ernest, I'm not sure I should be talking to you in case the Inquisition hears about it but... >Also, have you are anyone else tried Flexi-files yet? I bought a set >awhile back and love em. I've had this tool in my armoury for years now and would hate to be without it. Want to remove the metal flash from between the cylinders of that metal Merc 160 ? Cut a flexifile strip into half (lengthwise !!) and thread it through before attaching the handles. Two or three quick rubs and it's done (excepting rethreading 11 more times :-) Shane > Ernest the Heretic > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:40:33 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: <199804192252.IAA29845@mimmon.mim.com.au> Okay folks, This One -Oh- thingy thread has reminded me of another thread which came our way a few years ago, but which would have been missed by many of the newer members of the list. I thought it might be entertaining to ask the list members if they are *truly* faithful to the one true way, generally faithful, or just plain old adulterers. So spill your guts folks - tell us if you really build *only* WW1, and if not, what other subjects you enjoy (as a minor entertainment, of course). Then we may be able to identify fellow sufferers for off list comradeship in our efforts to repent ! In a state of genuine repentance I admit the following: I'm only *generally* faithful. I also like, but seldom build, the colourful biplanes of the between wars period (Mistress #1) and have a strange perverse little liking for the aircraft of the Hawker establishment, even unto the present. Two of my last 12 models were off topic :-( Who's next Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 18:55:24 -0400 From: "Steve Belanger" To: Subject: Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: <199804192256.SAA28241@smtp.db.erau.edu> I guess I would be classified as a "plain old adulterer" as you stated Shane! My particular modeling modes often swing between: WWII German aircraft (mainly the attack/destroyer types) and armor (I know...but mostly SP types) WWII US Navy battleships (my personal all-time favorites!) WWII US Navy aircraft US "modern" (as in late 80's to present) aircraft (mainly USN) and armor from Desert Storm and also US manned spacecraft Currently dreaming on finally starting that PM Me410 I bought over a week ago! Steve Belanger ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 15:59:43 -0700 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: RE: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: <000301bd6be6$d7a05120$9d4ffbce@chrisban> > So spill your guts folks - tell us if you really build *only* WW1, and > if not, what other subjects you enjoy (as a minor entertainment, of > course). Then we may be able to identify fellow sufferers for off list > comradeship in our efforts to repent ! > > Who's next > > Shane > Well, I'll take this one on. I can honestly say that *every* model I build is on topic. I have never even purchased a kit of a plane that was not from the era of 1914-1918. The only problem I have is a lack of resources. I just KNOW that the British were flying Spitfires during the Great War. There's just a lack of accurate photos showing that. And the French DID fly the American F-84F in the later parts of the war, I'm sure of it! I can find lots of pictures of the French F-84Fs, but for some reason the French censors keep putting the wrong dates on their pictures. The conspiracy runs very deep throughout lots of governments, too. In trying to find the truth on the F-84F issue, I looked up the purchase orders from the US, AND EVEN THOSE WERE FORGED!!!! It's sad that the governments of the world are doing this and preventing history from being told the way it REALLY happened. In fact, it wasn't Australian ground troops or a Camel pilot that brought MvR down, it was a high speed pass by one of the US SR-71s operating along the front lines. I just can't get past all the bureaucratic cover-ups to prove it yet. To sum up, read my sig. Chris .. ------------------------------------------ "To give an accurate and exhaustive account of that period would need a far less brilliant pen than mine." Sir Max Beerbohm (1872-1956), British essayist, caricaturist. The Yellow Book, vol. 4, "1880" (1895). ------------------------------------------ Aviation What-Not http://www.willapabay.org/~herper/aviation ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 15:58:31 -0700 From: "Peter Crow" <888444222@email.msn.com> To: Subject: Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: <058450200231348UPIMSSMTPUSR02@email.msn.com> ----------spill your guts folks - tell us if you really build *only* WW1, and > if not, what other subjects you enjoy (as a minor entertainment, of > course). Then we may be able to identify fellow sufferers for off list > comradeship in our efforts to repent ! I hate to open myself up to ridicule like this, but here goes... I also enjoy building "between the wars" aircraft... And this next part is really hard to confess.. I also have a serious addiction for "turn of the century" paper ships... You know what?? I actually feel better now that I've gotten that off my back.. Thank you Shane... Peter Crow ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 18:05:37 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: New Thread/Sanding Message-ID: <353A8341.322@bellsouth.net> mbittner@juno.com wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:18:06 -0400 Ernest Thomas > writes: > > >Actually, now that you mention it, it probably is the Nieuports. Why not > >abandon the homely sister and go after the Super-babe N.28! > >(ducking bittnerbullets...) > > Been there; done that. You? Oh Yeah! > > Matt Bittner > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 18:28:07 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: <353A8887.3B00@bellsouth.net> Shane Weier wrote: > > Okay folks, > > This One -Oh- thingy thread has reminded me of another thread which came > our way a few years ago, but which would have been missed by many of > the newer members of the list. I thought it might be entertaining to ask > the list members if they are *truly* faithful to the one true way, > generally faithful, or just plain old adulterers. > > So spill your guts folks - tell us if you really build *only* WW1, and > if not, what other subjects you enjoy (as a minor entertainment, of > course). Then we may be able to identify fellow sufferers for off list > comradeship in our efforts to repent ! > > In a state of genuine repentance I admit the following: > > I'm only *generally* faithful. I also like, but seldom build, the > colourful biplanes of the between wars period (Mistress #1) and have a > strange perverse little liking for the aircraft of the Hawker > establishment, even unto the present. > Two of my last 12 models were off topic :-( > > Who's next > > Shane Bless me Father for I have sinned... in the past year, I've started a Yak-9, finished a Hubble Telescope, a YF-23, a couple non-WWI figures, and I've worked on two (ack-cough-choke) cars. However one of those was the V-1 Blitzbug. While I've strayed from the path of self-righteousness, I am repentant and am currently serving pennance by doing a full super detailed SVA-5. the Heretic BTW, Bob P. No offense meant by that Skynyrd slam. I forgot to add :). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:05:05 -0500 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: Subject: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: <199804200004.TAA18720@mail.primary.net> Ok, close the door, knee down and tell them a real confession, while my aircraft building is limited to only to 1/48; I don't build planes that were built after 1918. It's real tough when one goes to the hobby shop and sees the recently issued 'between the war' USN types with the beautiful yellow wings and colorful tail markings but then I only have to pick up the 'Special on color and markings on Jagdgeschwader Nr1 to get back to a 'real' modeler's world of color. Now the confession, my 'other' hobby is modeling the Missouri Pacific Railroad in the Missouri Ozarks in HO scale circa 1951. Since I work for the RR (now Union Pacific) I've had access to depot plans, track layouts industries served etc, and have been collecting material on this area of the RR for the past 25 years. I've scratch build many of the depots and built many freight cars and locomotives. Over the last three years I sold four articles to Mainline Modeler on building freight cars and building and weathering buildings in HO scale; BUT really guys the money paid by the published for the RR articles generally is used to pay for my 1910-1918 aircraft interests (Datafiles, FMP books and Eduard kits). Back to our period, I also build 1/35 WWI armor, have a Whippet done and a Mark IV Female started. So there you have it, and I haven't built or even touched a box with one of those 109 things in it since Aurora molded theirs in dark red and Revell's was in light blue! Charlie nb: Aeroclub FE2b, painted PC10 today and drilled out the strut holes. nr: Datafile 18 (what else the FE) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:06:28 -0500 From: Kenneth Hagerup To: wwi Subject: Re: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: <353A9184.1686@prodigy.net> Shane Weier wrote: > Who's next My off topic modeling interests: 1/72 USN Aircraft 1918-present 1/700 Ships, particularly US CV, CVN 1/72 Armor - Arab-Israeli Wars, Tunisia, Kursk, NW Europe, Pacific, Korean War 1/72 Japanese Special Attack craft - Kaiten, Type A Midget Sub, Shinyo, Oka 1/72 Battle of Britain (Both sides) 1/72 Spanish Civil War 1/72 Vietnam War Helos 1/72 VVS 1/72 RAF Heavies (Uncle flew Lancasters) 1/72 Lufwaffe Nightfighters 1/72 Me262s 1/72 Bf109s 1/72 Falklands War 1/72 Float planes 1/72 Battle of Midway et al Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:30:46 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Sins of the (mostly) faithful Message-ID: <199804200042.KAA04075@mimmon.mim.com.au> Ken, >My off topic modeling interests: (GIANT list snipped) Good God man ! Where do you get the stamina. It's all I can do to satisfy two additional perversions ! Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:00:09 +1000 From: Peter Mitchell To: wwi Subject: Sins of the (mostly) faithful -Reply Message-ID: >So spill your guts folks - tell us if you really build *only* WW1, and >if not, what other subjects you enjoy (as a minor entertainment, of >course). Then we may be able to identify fellow sufferers for off list >comradeship in our efforts to repent. Father Weir, I confess to being a "floosie" in terms of the scale and subject of my models. The things I do, include..... 1/72 AND 1/48 WWI aircraft mostly those of the Imperial German Airservice, but also of the A-H air service and AFC. Love the Walfisch, Hannover, Albatrossen and Fokker DVII. German airliners of the 1920's and 1930's Early WWII RAF, with big soft spots for the B-P Defiant, Blenheim IV, Hurricane. and RAF nightfighters Dabble in Battle of Britian Luftwaffe. I've been guilty of getting 1/700 ships (a recent interest) and prefer WWII RN and Kreigsmarine. Especially the Hood and the Deutschland class. The odd WWI armoured viechle (especially British heavies). I continue to wallow in this debauchery. :-) Cheers Pete. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 987 *********************