WWI Digest 985 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Americal Gryphon Decals by KarrArt 2) Re: De-Lurking by Jim Elkins 3) RE: Americal Gryphon Decals by huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) 4) Re: Americal Gryphon Decals & Web sites by "Sandy Adam" 5) Re: De-Lurking by "Sandy Adam" 6) Re: De-Lurking by Bob Pearson 7) Re: Painting illusions and Australian slang -Reply by "David R.L. Laws" 8) Re: Light at the End of the Tunnel by "David R.L. Laws" 9) Presentation Aircraft lettering height by "Charles Duckworth" 10) New Thread/Sanding by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 11) Re: New Thread/Sanding by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 12) Re: Sanding by "Charles Duckworth" 13) Re: New Thread/Sanding by Ernest Thomas 14) Re: Oblt. Kurt Grasshoff's aircraft by "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." 15) Stringbag Thread by "Charles Duckworth" 16) Re: Stringbag Thread by KarrArt 17) Re: Stringbag Thread by "Peter Crow" <888444222@email.msn.com> 18) Re: Stringbag Thread by mbittner@juno.com 19) Sandpaper by mbittner@juno.com 20) Re: Stringbag Thread by Ernest Thomas 21) Re: Stringbag Thread by KarrArt 22) Re: Stringbag Thread by TPT PUMPER 23) Re: Stringbag Thread by Alberto Rada 24) Re: Stringbag Thread by Bob Pearson 25) Walk Around Photos by Ernest Thomas 26) RE: Americal Gryphon Decals by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 27) Re: New Thread/Sanding by Matthew Zivich 28) Re: Walk Around Photos by "Steve Belanger" 29) RE: Americal Gryphon Decals & Web sites by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 30) RE: Painting illusions by Pedro e Francisca Soares ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 22:21:43 EDT From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Americal Gryphon Decals Message-ID: In a message dated 98-04-17 21:47:50 EDT, you write: << And a Web site, even a commercial one, doesn't have to be that expensive. Hell, if they were interested and they wanted to keep the site simple enough, I'd do the HTML for them for free. >> My wife has already started bugging me to get ahold of them so she could build a simple site- she said she'd do it just for free samples of all their releases! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:40:48 -0700 From: Jim Elkins To: wwi Subject: Re: De-Lurking Message-ID: <35384AE9.23B0F379@swbell.net> Bob Pearson wrote: > Sorry, I forget who this was for (new de-lurker), > > I have done profiles of 4 USAS Salmsons from the following units if you want > copies > 1st AS > 12th AS > 90th AS > 91st AS > > OTF 5/4 had a colors and markings article on the Salmson. > > Regards, > Bob Pearson > Bob, Yes, I would like copies. Thank you very much. Jim Elkins jimelk@swbell.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 01:30:00 -0500 (CDT) From: huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) To: wwi Subject: RE: Americal Gryphon Decals Message-ID: >At 04:12 PM 17/04/98 -0400, you wrote: >>Phillip writes: >>> >>>(1) unfortunately, americal gryphon doesn't have a web site (i know, i >>>asked recently because i/we wanted to do one for them, with thumbnailes of >>>the various sheets). if you'd like i can send you the current (AFAIK) >>>price list via fax or, if you can wait a little, as an attachment to an >>>e-mail. >>> >> >> There is a very good reason that Americal/Gryphon doesn't have a Web >>site, their total sales for a year probably couldn't even pay for >>constructing and maintaining it (I have no idea what the going rate is for >>building a Web presence, anyone care to enlighten me ?). Yearly sales for >>this concern barely cover the costs for designing and printing them. > >Fair enough. But with a Web presence, they might find that their sales will >rise and their business will grow to the point where they could at least >pay for the Web site. > >And a Web site, even a commercial one, doesn't have to be that expensive. >Hell, if they were interested and they wanted to keep the site simple >enough, I'd do the HTML for them for free. > >I know that when I now want to buy something neat, and it's not in a local >shop, the first thing I do is look it up on the Web. I vageuly remember A/G >from notes here and there in FSM over the years, but wouldn't have thought >twice about buying from them if I hadn't signed on to the list and heard >good things about them. They'll be getting my business eventually, but >they'd probably already have had it if they had been on the Web. For the >same reason, Rollmodels, which does have a Web catalogue, is currently >getting my money, while Squadron, which does not, is not (on the other >hand, it would be nice if RM would update their site a little more >frequently). > Dane What would a site that does all the things you want Squadron and Roll to do with theirs cost, and what would it take to keep it current and keep all of the prices linked together so that the billing would match the listing you happen to be looking at? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:53:03 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Americal Gryphon Decals & Web sites Message-ID: <199804180948.KAA26169@beryl.sol.co.uk> > What would a site that does all the things you want Squadron and Roll to do > with theirs cost, and what would it take to keep it current and keep all of > the prices linked together so that the billing would match the listing you > happen to be looking at? That's nice - but not necessary - I find that over the last twelve months my buying patterns have changed completely due to the Internet. All I need is an indication that somebody may have something and the rest is done by e-mail and credit card. Example - I was alerted by this list to how good the Wings 48 Salmson is - and then that AvUsk might do them - then followed several e-mails because Wings were on holiday over March, but earlier this month the kit arrived - AvUsk did not need to have up-to-date info on kit on web-site - only an indication that they could get it and the rest was by correspondence. (lovely kit BTW - great ref for correct 5-colour scheme (forget Scale Aircraft Drwaings who say 3-colour!!)) I've bought many, many rare oop books from bookshops with vestigial web-sites - but enough to let me get in touch. Yes full on-line is great but basic is good too. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:55:16 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: De-Lurking Message-ID: <199804180948.KAA26172@beryl.sol.co.uk> > I have done profiles of 4 USAS Salmsons from the following units if you want > copies > Regards, > Bob Pearson Bob, could you send me copies as well please. Can I do anything in return? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 03:04:58 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: De-Lurking Message-ID: <10045814942756@KAIEN.COM> Sandy, Gee, if you had only sent your message about five minutes earlier I could have sent them to you at the same time as to Eric. Oh well they are on the way shortly. Bob ---------- > From: "Sandy Adam" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: De-Lurking > Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 06:01:03 -0400 > > > I have done profiles of 4 USAS Salmsons from the following units if you > want > > copies > > Regards, > > Bob Pearson > Bob, could you send me copies as well please. Can I do anything in return? > Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:33:52 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: Painting illusions and Australian slang -Reply Message-ID: <35390E2F.37FC@webtime.com.au> Peter Mitchell wrote: > > "dekko" is a new one to me. > Possibly an expression from the Queensland dialect? :-) Nope, to get or have a dekko - check out, examine, look at ... Gold fields Victoria ... Ballaraat - I forget the story that goes with it but common argot from the late 1850's Oo roo DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:13:54 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: Light at the End of the Tunnel Message-ID: <35391791.6C7F@webtime.com.au> SANDY, Not at all I'd had a very bad day and regreted sending it in the bald and thus intemperate terms I did DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 08:30:20 -0500 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: Subject: Presentation Aircraft lettering height Message-ID: <199804181329.IAA29894@mail.primary.net> Am working on a set of presentation aircraft decals (white lettering on PC10) - does anyone have any idea how high the lettering was? I have CC Vol 14 No2 but it doesn't get into this detail. I know this could vary between aircraft and the painter's taste but I'm only looking for a general idea. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:20:45 -0400 From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: New Thread/Sanding Message-ID: <199804181420.KAA03459@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Another basic question: How do you sand properly? Just finished painting a Testors Nieuport 17 in readiness for a Belgian Nieuport.(Thieffery) Anyway, I'm finally getting adequate at getting rid of gaps, etc where the pieces join. This time, I was real happy until I put on the silver paint (ModelMasters Silver Spray). Suddenly, what seemed like a smooth join ended up looking a little scratchy. I only used 3 types of sandpaper: kinda rough, then a very light grade, and then a red colored polishing kind of sandpaper. Do I really need to sand more than this? The sandpaper kit had something like 6 grades of sandpaper...do I really need to start with the coarsest and use each one until it's time for the red? Would using a primer get rid of the light scratches? TIA Mike Muth nb: Belgian Nieuport 1/48 (Thieffery, green wing/fuselage tops over silver) Roland C III 1/72 (Almost done, first WWI airplane I've done totallu using an airbrush) nl: Car Talk nu: Hmmm, good question. Maybe back to Maxwell's SE5a, the cockpit made from pe is truning out to be a real bitch. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 07:51:24 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: New Thread/Sanding Message-ID: <3538BDEC.1FB9@ricochet.net> Mary-Ann/Michael wrote: > > Another basic question: How do you sand properly? Suddenly, what seemed like a smooth join ended up looking a little scratchy. It sounds like you started out with too coarse a grit of sand paper, which tends to scratch the hell out of styrene. As a general rule, never start with anything rougher than 200 grit and never finish up with anything rougher than 600 grit. The stuff coarser than 200 is OK for certain things, such as planing off mating surfaces or thinning/shortening things; wings should not thinned w/ rough stuff though. Testor's sanding films don't have these grit numbers on them, so you may want to get some 'real' sandpaper at the local home club or hardware store. It'll give you a feel for the corresponding Testor's films, and wet/ dry really is the way to go anyway. Riordan I only used 3 types of > sandpaper: kinda rough, then a very light grade, and then a red colored > polishing kind of sandpaper. Do I really need to sand more than this? The > sandpaper kit had something like 6 grades of sandpaper...do I really need to > start with the coarsest and use each one until it's time for the red? Would > using a primer get rid of the light scratches? > TIA > Mike Muth > nb: Belgian Nieuport 1/48 (Thieffery, green wing/fuselage tops over silver) > Roland C III 1/72 (Almost done, first WWI airplane I've done totallu > using an airbrush) > nl: Car Talk > nu: Hmmm, good question. Maybe back to Maxwell's SE5a, the cockpit made > from pe is truning out to be a real bitch. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:11:42 -0500 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: Sanding Message-ID: <199804181510.KAA05740@mail.primary.net> Would using a primer get rid of the light scratches? Mike, I almost always use a grey 'sandable' automotive primer when I have a model that requires filler or/and scratch removal. On the kits that don't have alot of scratches or filler/putty (Eduard's as example) I go over the plastic parts (wings/fuselage) with 0000 steel wool and it removes any imperfections in the molding process. I also use 0000 steel wool over the vacs I'm building before painting. I can't claim the 0000 method, our local WWI 1/72 scratch builder told me this is what he did when I asked about his finishing methods. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:28:02 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: New Thread/Sanding Message-ID: <3538C682.7705@bellsouth.net> Mary-Ann/Michael wrote: > > Another basic question: How do you sand properly? Just finished > painting a Testors Nieuport 17 in readiness for a Belgian > Nieuport.(Thieffery) Anyway, I'm finally getting adequate at getting rid of > gaps, etc where the pieces join. This time, I was real happy until I put on > the silver paint (ModelMasters Silver Spray). Suddenly, what seemed like a > smooth join ended up looking a little scratchy. I only used 3 types of > sandpaper: kinda rough, then a very light grade, and then a red colored > polishing kind of sandpaper. Do I really need to sand more than this? The > sandpaper kit had something like 6 grades of sandpaper...do I really need to > start with the coarsest and use each one until it's time for the red? Would > using a primer get rid of the light scratches? > TIA > Mike Muth > nb: Belgian Nieuport 1/48 (Thieffery, green wing/fuselage tops over silver) > Roland C III 1/72 (Almost done, first WWI airplane I've done totallu > using an airbrush) > nl: Car Talk > nu: Hmmm, good question. Maybe back to Maxwell's SE5a, the cockpit made > from pe is truning out to be a real bitch. Mike, Sorry to hear about the scratches. Primier would definitely help. Try to stay away from corse grit sandpapers unless you have a lot of material to remove. Use the medium to remove the big clumps of putty, then the fine to start getting rid of the scratches. Spray some primer to see how it looks. If you see scratches, sand the primer with the ultra-fine sandpaper. The other problem you are having is the silver paint. For some reason, silver will show scratches that other colors will hide. I think this might be due to the reflective nature of the silver paint. Hope this helps. Happy modeling, Ernest ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 09:15:53 -0700 From: "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." To: wwi Cc: rg@onr.com Subject: Re: Oblt. Kurt Grasshoff's aircraft Message-ID: I have been doing more research into this Oblt. Kurt Grasshoff and it appears that he had an effect on Ernst Udet's career path. I quote below from Udet's translated auto-biography, "Ace of the Iron Cross". Background: Udet began his single-seater combar career in Single Seater Combat Command Habsheim as a Fok. E III pilot. This command evolved into Jasta 15 in Sept 1916 but stayed in Habsheim. In March 1917, Jasta 15 was moved out of Habsheim, which had become their second home after a two year stay, and finds itself opposite the famous French "Storks". The Storks inflict heavy casualties on the Jasta, especially when Udet is left in temporary command when the J 15 C.O., Heinrich Gontermann is on leave. Udet becomes depressed and wants to get out of Jasta 15. *********** "Puz's aircraft enveloped in fire and smoke"...."Sgt. Mueller is dead"...."On June 14, Sgt. Eichenauer is killed in action. On this day, I write to Grasshoff, an old buddy from the days at Habsheim: 'I want to go to another front. I would like to come to you. I'm the last of Jasta 15, the last of those who once left from Muelhausen to go to Champagne.'" "On June 19, Gontermann returns from leave. His lips narrow when I tell him of the fate that has befallen the staffel during the past weeks. 'Then two of us are all that is left, Udet', he says." "I have written to Grasshoff, but at the moment I can't bring myself to raise the subject. I postpone the matter until evening." "During the afternoon, Gontermann has flown his first sortie and has brought down an opponent and his own machine has taken 12 hits....The hits his aircraft took have upset him. I try to calm him.....He puts a leaf on a table and slowly drops pebbles on it. "You see, Udet, that's the way it is. The bullets fall from the hand of God and come closer and closer. Sooner or later they will hit us. They will hit us for certain." "He sweeps the entire game from the table. He is wrought deep down inside. I feel strange in his presence and my desire to get away from him gets even stronger." " 'I would like to transfer to Jasta 37', I say." "Gontermann whips around. 'You want to leave me?'. There is a strong note of reproach. But hhe gets hold of himself immediately, his face freezes and says in an icy voice: "It goes without saying that I won't place any difficulty in your, Lt. Udet.'" "I can sense exactly what he thinks. 'There are old buddies there, from Habsheim,' I say in a low voice, 'the last from the old Combat Command.'" "Gontermann is silent for a while. Then holds out his hand; 'It is really too bad you won't stay with me, Udet, but I can see your point." Three months later, Gontermann falls." "I am the C.O. of Jasta 37...Many were surprised at Grasshoff leaving me in command when he was transferred to Macedonia. There are men here senior in both years and rank. But back in the fall, when I had brought downthe three Englishmen over Lens, he had promised it to me...When I landed, Grasshoff knew all about it. ' When I leave here some day, Knaegges, you wil will inherit the staffel', he said. Thus I became the C.O. of Jasta 37." At 07:07 AM 4/18/98 -0700, I wrote: > > I came across an interesting post in rec.modeling.scale which is pasted >below. I checked in "Jasta Pilots" and Oblt Kurt Grasshoff was, indeed, >C.O. of Jasta 37 before Udet assumed command. "Jasta Pilots", however, only >lists the J 37 color scheme for the Udet era. I wrote back to Ray with >generalities of Albatros D III and D V colors. Can anyone help with more >specific information? Grasshoff also served in Jasta 15 from Oct 1916 - Jan >1917. > > Fernando Lamas > >>"rg" wrote: >>>A distant relative of mine (Kurt Grasshoff) led Germany's Jasta 37 >>>and Jasta 38 for a while in World War I. I am not an active modeler, >>>but would like to "decorate" a model in the colors and design of his >>>plane in either of these jastas. Is there a source that can tell me what >>>his planes looked like? >>> >>>Ray Grasshoff >>>rg@onr.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:42:43 -0500 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: "ww1list" Subject: Stringbag Thread Message-ID: <199804181641.LAA08341@mail.primary.net> Wondering what the list members would vote for the model that they've built (or at least seen built) that had the most struts and rigging? I'd cast a vote towards the FE2b. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:54:14 EDT From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Stringbag Thread Message-ID: In a message dated 98-04-18 12:43:08 EDT, you write: << Wondering what the list members would vote for the model that they've built (or at least seen built) that had the most struts and rigging? I'd cast a vote towards the FE2b. >> The $#$%^&^%$# H-P 0/400 ( there are almost 90 sticks, struts, horns, braces and generally pokey-outy things on it and they all seem to have at least 2 rigging connections- example: each one of those tall aileron horns has 4 wires coming to it, and there are 8 horns) Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:53:41 -0700 From: "Peter Crow" <888444222@email.msn.com> To: Subject: Re: Stringbag Thread Message-ID: <0bd501155171248UPIMSSMTPUSR01@email.msn.com> > > Wondering what the list members would vote for the model that they've built > (or at least seen built) that had the most struts and rigging? > > I'd cast a vote towards the FE2b. For me it would have to be either the Lohner type l, or the Otto Doppeldecker....both in 1/72 Peter Crow ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:17:27 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Stringbag Thread Message-ID: <19980418.132042.16782.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:44:36 -0400 "Charles Duckworth" writes: >Wondering what the list members would vote for the model that they've built >(or at least seen built) that had the most struts and rigging? Phoenix Otto C.I Doppeldecker. Yeesh! Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:20:41 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Sandpaper Message-ID: <19980418.132042.16782.1.mbittner@juno.com> Here's what I have been using lately. I start off with 320 for the "really big chunks". Follow that with 400, then 600. Once the majority of the sanding is taken care of, I then go down even further. 3200 all the way to 12000 depending on the seam. Lately I have been using the 3200 and 4000 on my finishes over the decals. When it appears the decal isn't "hiding" (hence my earlier question), I use those two grits to remove the finish (usually semi-gloss, or satin, on WW1's) over primarily the decals. Works great, but there has to be an easier way. :-) Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:31:45 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Stringbag Thread Message-ID: <3538F191.39AC@bellsouth.net> KarrArt wrote: > > In a message dated 98-04-18 12:43:08 EDT, you write: > > << Wondering what the list members would vote for the model that they've built > (or at least seen built) that had the most struts and rigging? > > I'd cast a vote towards the FE2b. > >> > The $#$%^&^%$# H-P 0/400 ( there are almost 90 sticks, struts, horns, braces > and generally pokey-outy things on it and they all seem to have at least 2 > rigging connections- example: each one of those tall aileron horns has 4 wires > coming to it, and there are 8 horns) > Robert K. OUCH!!! Personally built, I would say either the DH-2 or the DH-4. But in general, I think the Wright Flyer deserves a mention as a candidate for "Best Flying Chicken Coop" or "Best Chicken Coop that Flies" would be more appropriate. Ernest ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:01:33 EDT From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Stringbag Thread Message-ID: <37cdaf5f.3538f88f@aol.com> In a message dated 98-04-18 14:36:35 EDT, you write: << Personally built, I would say either the DH-2 or the DH-4. But in general, I think the Wright Flyer deserves a mention as a candidate for "Best Flying Chicken Coop" or "Best Chicken Coop that Flies" would be more appropriate. Ernest >> That there Wright Flyer would be high on the list. I've not built a model of it, but I've done a painting and just drawing all that aerial bondage was almost as bad as doing it in 3D! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:12:04 EDT From: TPT PUMPER To: wwi Subject: Re: Stringbag Thread Message-ID: <4de3cfa0.3538fb06@aol.com> In a message dated 4/18/98 12:55:39 PM Central Daylight Time, KarrArt@aol.com writes: > The $#$%^&^%$# H-P 0/400 ( there are almost 90 sticks, struts, horns, braces > and generally pokey-outy things on it and they all seem to have at least 2 > rigging connections- example: each one of those tall aileron horns has 4 > wires > coming to it, and there are 8 horns) > Robert K. > Hi Robert! To quote a childhood hero, "You knew the job was dangerous when you took it!" That said, I'm sure it will look lovely (and escape-proof) when you finish it. We're all waiting for photos. No pressure. Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:39:28 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Stringbag Thread Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980418153928.007ba100@argonaut.net> Hi Take my word for it, the FE2b is a tough contender, placing all the external control cables ( pulleys included ) without one side sagging when you finish the other one. SALUDOS Alberto At 12:44 PM 18-04-98 -0400, you wrote: >Wondering what the list members would vote for the model that they've built >(or at least seen built) that had the most struts and rigging? > >I'd cast a vote towards the FE2b. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 14:00:16 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Stringbag Thread Message-ID: <21001624543552@KAIEN.COM> Either the FE2b or the Il'ya - both were a lot of *fun* to rig. Bob ---------- > From: "Charles Duckworth" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Stringbag Thread > Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:44:36 -0400 > > Wondering what the list members would vote for the model that they've built > (or at least seen built) that had the most struts and rigging? > > I'd cast a vote towards the FE2b. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:03:51 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: multiple recipients of list Subject: Walk Around Photos Message-ID: <35391537.134@bellsouth.net> Hi Everybody, Ok. I'm planning a trip to the beach soon. While I'm there, I plan to go to the Natl Museum of Naval Aviation in Pensacola Fl. They have an example of probably every A/C that the U.S. Navy ever put their grubby little mitts on since the dawn of powered flight including; An UGLY Battleship grey Sopwith Camel, a N.28(also ugly grey), a half covered Jenny, and a Fok.D-VII. I plan to call ahead to see if I can make arrangents to go past the velvet ropes and get some real good pictures of cockpits, guns, engines, landing gear, etc... And I'm willing to make a set of these photos available to eveyone on the list(not sure how yet). If necessary, I'm prepared to take 2x 24 exposure rolls of each A/C(the camel, jenny, & N.28. the D-VII is hanging on the ceiling) and I thought if we all put our heads together, we could come up with the best strategy for what shots to take. I was thinking along the lines photographing a pre-flight inspection. BUt that may cause me to miss something that would be relavent to guys like us. Any thoughts? Anyone have experience getting museums to let you go past the velvet ropes? Also, there's probably other WWI era A/C that I'm just not recognizing as such because there not single seat fighters. I know they have some big bi-plane flying boats and what-not. Should we make the most of it and try to get walk-arounds on all of them? I may have to ask for donations if we want that. But I plan to shoot the others anyway. Why don't we see what we can come up with? Ernest ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:36:26 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Americal Gryphon Decals Message-ID: <01BD6AE8.22B0A200.panz-meador@vsti.com> gerry: having the A-H book, i can clearly state that that was a tragedy. not sure how it'd work, but perhaps we can give it a try. check back in a couple of months. phillip -----Original Message----- From: Gerald P. McOsker [SMTP:amadon@efortress.com] Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 8:36 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Americal Gryphon Decals Phillip- Thanks for the offer- They are mostly dried out now as the flood occurred on 2/18- maybe we can rewet and do one of the good ones- [O'Conners Austro H book?? Thanks again Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:37:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: New Thread/Sanding Message-ID: Mike, This might be of some help for getting a final polish and scratch removal from plastic surfaces. Try "Novus Plastic Polish #2". It states on the container,"Removes fine scratches, haziness and abrasions from most plastic surfaces." I've used it for clearing up minor scratches on plexiglass, and it should be available at shops that sell glass & plexi. I might add it works very well. Matt Z. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:36:43 -0400 From: "Steve Belanger" To: Subject: Re: Walk Around Photos Message-ID: <199804182137.RAA13362@smtp.db.erau.edu> I just have a little comment about the Camel at Pensacola: When I went over a month ago for the second time they had this stupid (and big) Snoopy stuffed animal in the cockpit of the Camel. At least with most of the other a/c there you could still see inside the cockpits from behind the ropes, but this really bugged me because all that you could see was that dumb Snoopy. If its still in there when you go to ask them to get past the ropes, please tell them to remove it from the cockpit! If I recall the ropes weren't that bad, only ones I remember are the ones from about the beginning of the elevators running diagonally to the main wing. But you can walk right up to the engine and such on most. (Except the hanging ones - Fokker D.VII, Hanriot, and some more I cant recall.) Luckily it wasn't crowded either time I went, so no people were "in the way." Steve Belanger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:52:18 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Americal Gryphon Decals & Web sites Message-ID: <01BD6AEA.59D896A0.panz-meador@vsti.com> sandy and all: FWIW a web commerce site (basic) is around 5k$ (that's for the houston area, texas); maintenance is not too bad, as most inventories are not that dynamic. an example of one such that we've done for sports collectibles is at www.isportz.com; i believe that they are planning now to expand the site to include other collectibles, e.g. beannie babies, due to the popularity of the thing with memorobilia dealers and collectors (wish lists can be searched against and stuff like that). thumbnails are nice, particularly for difficult to describe items (seeing a decal sheet described as covering escadrilles SPA1-100 doesn't tell me {at least} JACK about what's actually there). phillip -----Original Message----- From: Sandy Adam [SMTP:cbbs@almac.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, April 18, 1998 4:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Americal Gryphon Decals & Web sites > What would a site that does all the things you want Squadron and Roll to do > with theirs cost, and what would it take to keep it current and keep all of > the prices linked together so that the billing would match the listing you > happen to be looking at? That's nice - but not necessary - I find that over the last twelve months my buying patterns have changed completely due to the Internet. All I need is an indication that somebody may have something and the rest is done by e-mail and credit card. Example - I was alerted by this list to how good the Wings 48 Salmson is - and then that AvUsk might do them - then followed several e-mails because Wings were on holiday over March, but earlier this month the kit arrived - AvUsk did not need to have up-to-date info on kit on web-site - only an indication that they could get it and the rest was by correspondence. (lovely kit BTW - great ref for correct 5-colour scheme (forget Scale Aircraft Drwaings who say 3-colour!!)) I've bought many, many rare oop books from bookshops with vestigial web-sites - but enough to let me get in touch. Yes full on-line is great but basic is good too. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 23:21:14 +0200 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Painting illusions Message-ID: <01BD6B24.A532B380@fei1-p12.telepac.pt> -----Original Message----- From: REwing [SMTP:REwing@aol.com] Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 7:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Painting illusions A couple of weeks ago, there was a thread about illusions in = painting and such. I just picked up Scale Models International vol.29 no.344 and = read the second installment on the Canadian JN-4. The author, Peter Green, goes through the steps he took to create the illusion of translucent fabric. = I was only able to "squizzy" (Look Ma, I'm speaking Australian!!) the article briefly, and will read through it a bit more carefully later. Check = this article out, I'm curious what others think about this. -Rick- Rick, I too had a good Captain Cook at it (am I doing right Peter?) and I feel = that the overall effect might look a bit too obvious, at least in the = upper surfaces, since the photos don't show what's on the lower = surfaces. The stripes on the wings that represent the rib tapes end up = looking to much like painted stripes and I'm also a bit sceptical about = the use of a darker shade o CDL for the under surfaces without blending = the 2 colours. If what you get is what's at the bottom of page 35 than = IMHO it's too much. just my 20 centavos worth (next year I'll have to start using Euro = Cents, I guess) Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 985 *********************