WWI Digest 984 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Painting illusions by REwing 2) Re: De-Lurking by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 3) Painting illusions and Australian slang by Peter Mitchell 4) Re: Light at the End of the Tunnel by Mick Fauchon 5) Re: Light at the End of the Tunnel by "David R.L. Laws" 6) Re: Painting illusions and Australian slang by "David R.L. Laws" 7) Oblt. Kurt Grasshoff's aircraft by "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." 8) Re: Painting illusions and Australian slang -Reply by Peter Mitchell 9) Re: Painting illusions and Australian slang by Graham Nash 10) Re: Painting illusions and Australian slang -Reply by Mick Fauchon 11) Re: Painting illusions and Australian slang by Mick Fauchon 12) Re: Painting illusions and Australian slang -Reply by "Sandy Adam" 13) Re: Light at the End of the Tunnel by "Sandy Adam" 14) Re: Light at the End of the Tunnel by mbittner@juno.com 15) Re: Smer SVA by Ernest Thomas 16) Re: De-Lurking by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 17) Re: Painting illusions by "Charles Duckworth" 18) RE: Americal Gryphon Decals by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 19) superscale Decals by Charles Hart 20) Re: De-Lurking by Bob Pearson 21) Re: WWI digest 983 by thayer@sirius.com (Thayer Syme) 22) RE: superscale Decals by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 23) RE: superscale Decals by Charles Hart 24) Re: WWI digest 983 by "Charles Duckworth" 25) Boxkite help by "Charles Duckworth" 26) RE: Americal Gryphon Decals by Charles Hart 27) Superscale by mbittner@juno.com 28) Webpage for WW1 Ships by Mountaineer 29) Re: Americal Gryphon Decals by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 30) RE: Americal Gryphon Decals by "Gerald P. McOsker" 31) RE: Americal Gryphon Decals by "D. Anderson" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:11:54 EDT From: REwing To: wwi Subject: Painting illusions Message-ID: <782441f3.3536e4a0@aol.com> A couple of weeks ago, there was a thread about illusions in painting and such. I just picked up Scale Models International vol.29 no.344 and read the second installment on the Canadian JN-4. The author, Peter Green, goes through the steps he took to create the illusion of translucent fabric. I was only able to "squizzy" (Look Ma, I'm speaking Australian!!) the article briefly, and will read through it a bit more carefully later. Check this article out, I'm curious what others think about this. -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:38:10 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: De-Lurking Message-ID: <3536EAC2.6894@ricochet.net> Jim Elkins wrote: > One, if so desired to go to the list-library. (Let me know if > you would like this title, O keeper of the pubs!) Library already has a copy, but if you happen upon the Alb. DV book... > Does the list library contain any references containing 1/72 plans on Salmson's? I suppose the Flying Machine Press French acft edition would be good, but a bit steep ($). I happen to have the FMP book as well (expensive, but damn near worth the price) and the Scale Aircraft Drawings title. Give me an address if you want this stuff. Cheers, The Librarian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:51:56 +1000 From: Peter Mitchell To: wwi Subject: Painting illusions and Australian slang Message-ID: Rick, > I was only able to "squizzy" (Look Ma, I'm speaking Australian!!) the >article briefly. Sorry to be a pain but if you are going to use Australian slang..... The correct usage of the word "squizzy" would be "to have a squizzy" at it or even better, "to take a squiz" at it. Other Australian phases that mean the same thing include...... To have a "gander" or the rhyming slang, to have a "Captain Cook" at it. Yours in jest and pendancy :-) Pete. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:30:25 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Light at the End of the Tunnel Message-ID: Matt, > >So you made the sight to see the light? > >Let me know, I'm curious. You still get light at the end of the tunnel? At this place, due to economic constraints, the light at thte end of our tunnel has been turned off 80( Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:40:22 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: Light at the End of the Tunnel Message-ID: <353785F6.7285@webtime.com.au> Sandy FYI Dad served in WWII, was shot down twice, wounded 4 times, and by the end of 3 tours including his final with Pathfinders was the sole survivor of a group of about 75 Australians with whom he'd done aircrew training - None of his school friends suvived the war I have served and have had the dubious pleasure of being shot at by folk trying to kill me - They got one of my friends 2 of Mum's 1st cousins were on the Burma Railway and survived ( just ) Thank you for your comments DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:48:53 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: Painting illusions and Australian slang Message-ID: <353787F6.29C2@webtime.com.au> PETER Well said ! Now then, there's also ... " dekko ", " gander ", " an optic nerve " DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:48:33 -0700 From: "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." To: wwi Cc: rg@onr.com Subject: Oblt. Kurt Grasshoff's aircraft Message-ID: I came across an interesting post in rec.modeling.scale which is pasted below. I checked in "Jasta Pilots" and Oblt Kurt Grosshoff was, indeed, C.O. of Jasta 37 before Udet assumed command. "Jasta Pilots", however, only lists the J 37 color scheme for the Udet era. I wrote back to Ray with generalities of Albatros D III and D V colors. Can anyone help with more specific information? Grosshoff also served in Jasta 15 from Oct 1916 - Jan 1917. Fernando Lamas >"rg" wrote: >>A distant relative of mine (Kurt Grasshoff) led Germany's Jasta 37 >>and Jasta 38 for a while in World War I. I am not an active modeler, >>but would like to "decorate" a model in the colors and design of his >>plane in either of these jastas. Is there a source that can tell me what >>his planes looked like? >> >>Ray Grasshoff >>rg@onr.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:01:10 +1000 From: Peter Mitchell To: wwi Subject: Re: Painting illusions and Australian slang -Reply Message-ID: David, >Now then, there's also ... " dekko ", " gander ", " an optic nerve " "dekko" is a new one to me. Possibly an expression from the Queensland dialect? :-) Cheers Pete. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:47:56 -0700 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Re: Painting illusions and Australian slang Message-ID: <199804170740.AA18045@egate2.citicorp.com> David R.L. Laws wrote: > > PETER > > Well said ! > > Now then, there's also ... " dekko ", " gander ", " an optic nerve " > > DAVID Not to forget "Butchers" (from Butchers Hook - look.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:47:14 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Painting illusions and Australian slang -Reply Message-ID: Pete, > "dekko" is a new one to me. > Possibly an expression from the Queensland dialect? :-) But not to me. It's been in the NSW vocab. as long as I can remember, but that may be because I've been around for a while longer than some 80) Cheers, [Old] Mick -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:39:17 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Painting illusions and Australian slang Message-ID: > > Now then, there's also ... " dekko ", " gander ", " an optic nerve " > Not to forget "Butchers" (from Butchers Hook - look.) ......and there's always: "have a geek", "have a squint", and "have a shufti" [although that's probably a little dated by now. Mick. > -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:41:46 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Painting illusions and Australian slang -Reply Message-ID: <199804170841.JAA20404@beryl.sol.co.uk> > > "dekko" is a new one to me. > > Possibly an expression from the Queensland dialect? :-) dekko. British slang. a look; glance (Hindi dekho! - look!, dekhna - to see) Collins Concise English Dictionary Must come from the days of the Raj and the NW Frontier. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:04:13 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Light at the End of the Tunnel Message-ID: <199804170857.JAA21008@beryl.sol.co.uk> > Dad served in WWII, etc I feel like the MP, Winston Churchill (grandson of "the" WC) who was in public debate recently with raconteur and wit Clement Freud (grandson of Sigmund) - who said it was the first time he had been "outgrandfathered". Sorry if I stepped on your toes, David. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 04:17:43 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Light at the End of the Tunnel Message-ID: <19980417.044101.14278.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 02:27:24 -0400 Mick Fauchon writes: > You still get light at the end of the tunnel? At this place, due >to economic constraints, the light at thte end of our tunnel has been >turned off 80( Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:31:24 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer SVA Message-ID: <35373D8B.428F@bellsouth.net> REwing wrote: > > << Now on the coweling, I plan to use copper foil just like I did on my > Eindecker. >> > > Ernest, > Why are you using copper foil. Couldn't you use Bare Metal Foil to get the > metal effect? > Just wondering, > -Rick- I just happen to have a supply of copper foil. That's all. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:00:53 -0400 From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: De-Lurking Message-ID: <199804171200.IAA00329@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 03:58 PM 4/16/98 -0400, Charles Hart wrote: > > USAS Salmsons are going to look pretty similar to French Salmsons, >except the Americans changed the order of colors on the cockades and added >some squadron and perhaps personal marks. I think there was an article in a recent Over the Front that had some color schemes, or maybe that was Breguets? Mike Muth Once again writing something he's not sure about ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:19:45 -0500 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: Painting illusions Message-ID: <199804171219.HAA25255@mail.primary.net> I must have completely slept through this thread......am starting on acouple of pre-WWI types (injected molded) and would appreciate if anyone could send me some of the emails covering the 'how to's' on making an aircraft appear to have translucent fabric. Before seeing this note, I was going to spray the wings flat white and then draw in with a straight edge the wooden wing structure using colored pencils and small ink pens. Next step was to spray my final CDL color over this but as a light coat so the 'wood' shows. The only area I haven't completely figured out is drawing over the top of the wing's rid stations, if you looked at the wings from any angle other than directly from the top the 'wood' lines would appears as waves vs a straight piece of wood perhaps the thread covers this problem. Charlie nb: Fokker DII nr: 'The Art of Aviation 'A Handbook upon Aeroplanes and their Engines with notes upon Propellers' by Robert Brewer (1911) found at the main St. Louis library at noon yesterday. Period reading on overviews of monoplanes and biplanes by an engineer and pilot. ---------- > From: REwing > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Painting illusions > Date: Friday, April 17, 1998 12:14 AM > > A couple of weeks ago, there was a thread about illusions in painting and > such. I just picked up Scale Models International vol.29 no.344 and read the > second installment on the Canadian JN-4. The author, Peter Green, goes > through the steps he took to create the illusion of translucent fabric. I was > only able to "squizzy" (Look Ma, I'm speaking Australian!!) the article > briefly, and will read through it a bit more carefully later. Check this > article out, I'm curious what others think about this. > > -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:17:47 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Americal Gryphon Decals Message-ID: <01BD69EA.128965A0.panz-meador@vsti.com> gerald: (1) unfortunately, americal gryphon doesn't have a web site (i know, i asked recently because i/we wanted to do one for them, with thumbnailes of the various sheets). if you'd like i can send you the current (AFAIK) price list via fax or, if you can wait a little, as an attachment to an e-mail. (2) on other decal matters, is superscale just a renamed microscale, or am i going nuts? (3) sorry to hear about your waterlogged books. i've heard that putting waterlogged articles in a vacuum chamber can restore them to some (unknown) extent (some of the guys at nasa johnson space center tried this after a flood down here, and it seemed to work, but this is hearsay, not first hand obesrvations). my company (basically me) is looking at getting a small vacuum chamber in the next quarter or so. give me an e-mail "buzz" in a couple months, cuz i'd be happy to try this techique on one of yours, if you're interested in the possiblity. phillip -----Original Message----- From: Gerald P. McOsker [SMTP:amadon@efortress.com] Sent: Thursday, April 16, 1998 7:32 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re:Americal Gryphon Decals I am sorting through the mess of material that was damaged in my flooded cellar on February 18th and have come upon my Americal Gryphon decals- I generally know what I paid for them by sheet however I believe that replacing the same would be higher- Does anyone know if they have a web page with the current prices listed?? At the same time in peeling apart water soaked Windsocks and Datafiles I have become tremendously impressed with the body of work- especially as to colors and ,odels tha tRimmell has put together over the years.- I really have bitched a bit over Polish Brisfits and Soviet D7s but on the whole he has brought a tremndous blessing to out little compulsion. Cheese- Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:02:34 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: superscale Decals Message-ID: > >(2) on other decal matters, is superscale just a renamed microscale, or am >i going nuts? The story goes that the two brothers that ran Microscale couldn't stand each other, so after years in the business they split up. The line of decals we knew as Microscale became Super Scale. Its all now moot since Super Scale is out of the business of maintaining an extensive line of model decals and is now only doing custom decal printing . >(3) sorry to hear about your waterlogged books. i've heard that putting >waterlogged articles in a vacuum chamber can restore them to some (unknown) >extent (some of the guys at nasa johnson space center tried this after a >flood down here, and it seemed to work, but this is hearsay, not first hand >obesrvations). my company (basically me) is looking at getting a small >vacuum chamber in the next quarter or so. give me an e-mail "buzz" in a >couple months, cuz i'd be happy to try this techique on one of yours, if >you're interested in the possiblity. > >phillip > The most effective way of dealing with waterlogged books is to freeze dry them. Freeze the water then use a vacuum to sublimate the ice out of the paper. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:11:52 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: De-Lurking Message-ID: <16115215640623@KAIEN.COM> Sorry, I forget who this was for (new de-lurker), I have done profiles of 4 USAS Salmsons from the following units if you want copies 1st AS 12th AS 90th AS 91st AS OTF 5/4 had a colors and markings article on the Salmson. Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: De-Lurking > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:01:49 -0400 > > At 03:58 PM 4/16/98 -0400, Charles Hart wrote: > > > > USAS Salmsons are going to look pretty similar to French Salmsons, > >except the Americans changed the order of colors on the cockades and added > >some squadron and perhaps personal marks. > I think there was an article in a recent Over the Front that had > some color schemes, or maybe that was Breguets? > Mike Muth > Once again writing something he's not sure about > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:17:05 -0700 From: thayer@sirius.com (Thayer Syme) To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI digest 983 Message-ID: >From: "Charles Duckworth" >Subject: Bristol Boxkite > >Does anyone know where I might locate plans for a Bristol Boxkite to help >me with the rigging. I've found only couple of photo sources does anyone >have any books they recommend for period shots. > >Thanks, Charlie "Building Aeroplanes for 'Those Magnificent Men'" by Allen H. Wheeler is a volume you might want to find. It details the trials of getting a/c built nd flying for the movie, one of which was a Bristol Boxkite. Published in 1965 by G.T. Foulis & Co, LTD. While not documentation for a period machine, there are a number of photos of structure and rigging, as well as a long chapter for each of the specific types built. Thayer -- Thayer Syme Model Aviation Homepage San Francisco http://www.sirius.com/~thayer/modelhp.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:28:46 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: superscale Decals Message-ID: <01BD69F3.FD2E95E0.panz-meador@vsti.com> charles: thanks for clearing that up. i've gleaned from context that you were associated in some manner with americals; what's the story? phillip -----Original Message----- From: Charles Hart [SMTP:hartc@spot.colorado.edu] Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 10:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: superscale Decals > >(2) on other decal matters, is superscale just a renamed microscale, or am >i going nuts? The story goes that the two brothers that ran Microscale couldn't stand each other, so after years in the business they split up. The line of decals we knew as Microscale became Super Scale. Its all now moot since Super Scale is out of the business of maintaining an extensive line of model decals and is now only doing custom decal printing . >(3) sorry to hear about your waterlogged books. i've heard that putting >waterlogged articles in a vacuum chamber can restore them to some (unknown) >extent (some of the guys at nasa johnson space center tried this after a >flood down here, and it seemed to work, but this is hearsay, not first hand >obesrvations). my company (basically me) is looking at getting a small >vacuum chamber in the next quarter or so. give me an e-mail "buzz" in a >couple months, cuz i'd be happy to try this techique on one of yours, if >you're interested in the possiblity. > >phillip > The most effective way of dealing with waterlogged books is to freeze dry them. Freeze the water then use a vacuum to sublimate the ice out of the paper. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:16:32 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: RE: superscale Decals Message-ID: >charles: > >thanks for clearing that up. > >i've gleaned from context that you were associated in some manner with >americals; what's the story? > >phillip I was involved with Americal/Gryphon Decals from its inception in 1981 until 1993. Did a lot of printing. The art for the 4-color lozenge was created by me. Most of the other sheets I did art for have since been revised with the possible exception of the 1/48 French cockade sheet (#15). Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:33:09 -0500 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: WWI digest 983 Message-ID: <199804171838.NAA27173@mail.primary.net> Thanks, will see if my wife (children's librarian) can come up with it thru interlibrary loan, Charlie. ---------- > From: Thayer Syme > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: WWI digest 983 > Date: Friday, April 17, 1998 11:20 AM > > >From: "Charles Duckworth" > >Subject: Bristol Boxkite > > > >Does anyone know where I might locate plans for a Bristol Boxkite to help > >me with the rigging. I've found only couple of photo sources does anyone > >have any books they recommend for period shots. > > > >Thanks, Charlie > > "Building Aeroplanes for 'Those Magnificent Men'" by Allen H. Wheeler is a > volume you might want to find. It details the trials of getting a/c built > nd flying for the movie, one of which was a Bristol Boxkite. Published in > 1965 by G.T. Foulis & Co, LTD. > > While not documentation for a period machine, there are a number of photos > of structure and rigging, as well as a long chapter for each of the > specific types built. > > Thayer > > -- > > Thayer Syme Model Aviation Homepage > San Francisco http://www.sirius.com/~thayer/modelhp.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:58:39 -0500 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: Cc: "ww1list" Subject: Boxkite help Message-ID: <199804171857.NAA03327@mail.primary.net> Thayer, looked in the Advanced Book Exchange and did not find anything by Allen Wheeler or this title, did come up with 22 books published by G.T. Foulis & Co, LTD, if it's no trouble can you give me the ISBN number. Besides the Boxkite I have an AVRO triplane I want to build so the book will help on both projects. Thanks, Charlie ---------- > From: Thayer Syme > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: WWI digest 983 > Date: Friday, April 17, 1998 11:20 AM > > >From: "Charles Duckworth" > >Subject: Bristol Boxkite > > > >Does anyone know where I might locate plans for a Bristol Boxkite to help > >me with the rigging. I've found only couple of photo sources does anyone > >have any books they recommend for period shots. > > > >Thanks, Charlie > > "Building Aeroplanes for 'Those Magnificent Men'" by Allen H. Wheeler is a > volume you might want to find. It details the trials of getting a/c built > nd flying for the movie, one of which was a Bristol Boxkite. Published in > 1965 by G.T. Foulis & Co, LTD. > > While not documentation for a period machine, there are a number of photos > of structure and rigging, as well as a long chapter for each of the > specific types built. > > Thayer > > -- > > Thayer Syme Model Aviation Homepage > San Francisco http://www.sirius.com/~thayer/modelhp.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:15:50 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: RE: Americal Gryphon Decals Message-ID: Phillip writes: > >(1) unfortunately, americal gryphon doesn't have a web site (i know, i >asked recently because i/we wanted to do one for them, with thumbnailes of >the various sheets). if you'd like i can send you the current (AFAIK) >price list via fax or, if you can wait a little, as an attachment to an >e-mail. > There is a very good reason that Americal/Gryphon doesn't have a Web site, their total sales for a year probably couldn't even pay for constructing and maintaining it (I have no idea what the going rate is for building a Web presence, anyone care to enlighten me ?). Yearly sales for this concern barely cover the costs for designing and printing them. If anyone would like an e-mailed copy of the current price list, contact me off line. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:24:09 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Superscale Message-ID: <19980417.162410.16782.0.mbittner@juno.com> Just to clear things up, the two brothers split, one keeping Microscale (which does model railroad, and contracting for almost all other decal makers); and the other starting Superscale. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 06:51:09 -0400 From: Mountaineer To: wwi Subject: Webpage for WW1 Ships Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980418065109.007b5100@pop.mindspring.com> I thought this might be of some interest to the list: White Ensign Models http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/xdt22/ It's a company that specializes in ship modeling, and they have some WW1 kits, most notably the HMS Iron Duke and the HMS Chester. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:11:08 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Americal Gryphon Decals Message-ID: <3537FD81.18D9@ricochet.net> Charles Hart wrote: > There is a very good reason that Americal/Gryphon doesn't have a Web >site, their total sales for a year probably couldn't even pay for >constructing and maintaining it (I have no idea what the going rate is >for building a Web presence, anyone care to enlighten me ?). Yearly >sales for this concern barely cover the costs for designing and >printing them. So do these stalwart history merchants at A/G have 'day jobs'? I guess I'll never grouse at the cost of their products. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:34:33 -0400 From: "Gerald P. McOsker" To: wwi Subject: RE: Americal Gryphon Decals Message-ID: Phillip- Thanks for the offer- They are mostly dried out now as the flood occurred on 2/18- maybe we can rewet and do one of the good ones- [O'Conners Austro H book?? Thanks again Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:43:28 -0600 From: "D. Anderson" To: wwi Subject: RE: Americal Gryphon Decals Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980417194328.00739198@cadvision.com> At 04:12 PM 17/04/98 -0400, you wrote: >Phillip writes: >> >>(1) unfortunately, americal gryphon doesn't have a web site (i know, i >>asked recently because i/we wanted to do one for them, with thumbnailes of >>the various sheets). if you'd like i can send you the current (AFAIK) >>price list via fax or, if you can wait a little, as an attachment to an >>e-mail. >> > > There is a very good reason that Americal/Gryphon doesn't have a Web >site, their total sales for a year probably couldn't even pay for >constructing and maintaining it (I have no idea what the going rate is for >building a Web presence, anyone care to enlighten me ?). Yearly sales for >this concern barely cover the costs for designing and printing them. Fair enough. But with a Web presence, they might find that their sales will rise and their business will grow to the point where they could at least pay for the Web site. And a Web site, even a commercial one, doesn't have to be that expensive. Hell, if they were interested and they wanted to keep the site simple enough, I'd do the HTML for them for free. I know that when I now want to buy something neat, and it's not in a local shop, the first thing I do is look it up on the Web. I vageuly remember A/G from notes here and there in FSM over the years, but wouldn't have thought twice about buying from them if I hadn't signed on to the list and heard good things about them. They'll be getting my business eventually, but they'd probably already have had it if they had been on the Web. For the same reason, Rollmodels, which does have a Web catalogue, is currently getting my money, while Squadron, which does not, is not (on the other hand, it would be nice if RM would update their site a little more frequently). Dane > If anyone would like an e-mailed copy of the current price list, >contact me off line. Well, it's not off-line, but sure, e-mail it to me (andersda@cadivision.com) >Charles > >hartc@spot.colorado.edu > > > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 984 *********************