WWI Digest 979 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: DH9A drawings by "David R.L. Laws" 2) Hobinka P-1 (Russian DH9A) CORRECTION by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 3) Scale colour -kind o' longish by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton 4) Re: Tom's Modelworks Pfalz D.XII by Joey Valenciano 5) Re: DH9A drawings and Airfix magazines by "Tom Werner Hansen" 6) RE: Hobinka P-1 (Russian DH9A) CORRECTION by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 7) Re: C&C 28/4 / OTF seminar (again) by Eric Fisher 8) Re: Udet's DIII - and "authenticity" by The Shannons 9) Re: Udet's DIII - and "authenticity" by Patrick Padovan 10) by fedders 11) Nieuport 10-12 Datafile No. 68 by "Charles Duckworth" 12) Re: WWI WWW Page on CD? by "Lee Mensinger" 13) Re: Udet's DIII and authenthicity by Pedro e Francisca Soares 14) RA Little & Triplane 'VERA' by Bob Pearson 15) Further thoughts on Vera by Bob Pearson 16) Re: Tom's Modelworks Pfalz D.XII by Ernest Thomas 17) Re: Further thoughts on Vera by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 18) Re: Tom's Modelworks Pfalz D.XII by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 19) Re: DH9A drawings and Airfix magazines by "David R.L. Laws" 20) Librarian's Title of the Month: G.I. Series #7: Over There! The American Soldier in World War I by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 21) Re: SHORT by "David R.L. Laws" 22) Re: Further thoughts on Vera by "David R.L. Laws" 23) Oops (was Further thoughts on Vera) by Bob Pearson 24) Re: Librarian's Title of the Month: G.I. Series #7: Over by Mountaineer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:04:44 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: DH9A drawings Message-ID: <35320D6D.32A5@webtime.com.au> Sorry, My collection of these magazines went out when the female of the species began to dominate amnd totally pre-occupy my conscious and unconscious thinking. The Article is probably one of those done by Chris Ellis or some other such modelling guru of my impressionable youth Try around 1966-68 That's the best I could do and it's a blind guess - If it helps, I think this was part of a series they did - I also did the DH 9 from the Airfix DH 4 - Their " Fighting Colours " section ran a parallel series about this same time on the DH 9's and 9A's and I beliecve I did my 9 as one of the " stripey " numbers that appeared in this series - Actually won a prize for that one ! Regards DAVID R.L.LAWS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 21:11:40 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Hobinka P-1 (Russian DH9A) CORRECTION Message-ID: <35319055.6F55@ricochet.net> Upon further review of references, it's apparent that the Hobinka P-1 kit has the exhaust manifolds of a Liberty-engined Ninack, and should have a few more louvres around the prop shaft. RAF RR-engined machines have a tube-type manifold with two stubs. I believe the RAF used both types, and the Bolshies bought or captured both types, as well as DH9s and 4s. Anyone who knows different is welcomed to comment. Cheers, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:54:49 -0700 From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton To: wwi Subject: Scale colour -kind o' longish Message-ID: <3532EC19.3D15@connectorsystems.co.nz> Matthew Zivich wrote: > Another factor that perhaps has little relevance to most colorists, but has > bothered me is the effect of distance on the perception of color. For > example, what is the approximate distance that a full-scale > aircraft must be in order to appear the size of a 1/48th model at arms > length? 100-200 yards? Then what would be the effect of that distance > on the eye's perception of color? Would not the colors be lessened in > intensity to some degree, etc.? > Despite an earlier comment about trolls - a troll I think is designed to provoke a flame war rather than a discussion - I think this is an area that modellers occasionally have problems with. I'm far less concerned now than I used to be about colour fidelity - first the original paint would have varied in colour according to the batch it came from. Second it would vary according to the age and degree of weathering, and third it would vary according to the light it was seen in. To illustrate this I have a JPEG of a Royal Navy Hunter in overall Extra Dark Sea Grey - a very dark bluish grey- but due to the lighting conditions when the photo was taken it appears to have been painted in Hemp, which is a sort of beige-ish colour. Yes I know we aren't supposed to think about such things as jets on this list, but this is the most pronounced and visible effect I have seen of this This is why I have difficulty with the commonly recommended use of white as an additive to simulate trhe effects of distance, except perhaps for some colours on some equipment in some theatres of operations. Essentially I've given up on formulae for this - they seem to be to simple in their effect. What I try to do now is create a three dimensinal painting of a specific subject in a specific location, bearing in mind the reason I chose that subject in the first place. So a model of a 1&1/2 Strutter in the hot sun in the Eastern Med will get an entirely different treatment as far as colour goes to the same type under the grey skies of Flanders - I only have one lighting system for the cabinet, so I have to take the effect of that into account as well. So the Imbros based machine will get it's colours whitened and lightened quite a lot, to help suggest the location as much as anything. Conversely the Flanders job will be muted and weathered to suggest the conditions there. I think too there are other reasons for varying the approach -look at a 'tween wars RAF fighters for example - I model these for the joy of the colour schemes and the polished cowlings. No muting of colours here - the polish and colour are the reason for the model, so why dilute it? But a Ninak on the North West Frontier is a different proposition and needs different treatment. I'm not offering this as anything other than food for thought - but I do get a lot of inspiration from paintings, one day I'll do a model that catches the essence of the thing as well as Robert Karr's "Sea Gladiator Over Malta". No FS595 or Methuen here, just an artist's eye for colour and the interplay of light and shade. Obviously I wouldn't paint the model in *quite* the same way, becuse the painting has the light built in; the model doesn't, but I can use the paint to suggest light and dark and texture. If you are interested in such things it is well worth loking at the Model railway magazines for ideas - there have been some pretty stunning efforts appearing in the British magazine "Model Railway Journal" from time to time. Aidrian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:53:55 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Tom's Modelworks Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980413165355.006e6c34@philonline.com.ph> >Resin castings: My example of the D.XII has a big bubble in the horizontal >stabilizer. Typical for most resin, can be fixed. Carved some sprue to the general shape of the hole. Insert the sprue until it almost fits snugly. Let super glue bleed into the join. Press the sprue into the hole. When dry, trim and sand. >Wings: These are a problem. They are too thick. The pieces were cast >from the leading edge, and the mold has spread open during casting like >a book placed upright on its spine. Upper and lower wings have this >problem. I am not sure how this can be corrected. You could try some >judicious filing and sanding, but you'll need to be very careful so as >not to destroy the rib details. I sand the wing down from the underside, removing all rib detail in the process. No problem because the ribs shouldn't be seen from the underside, and your blue or pink rib tapes will show rib positions anyway. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:30:39 +0200 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Re: DH9A drawings and Airfix magazines Message-ID: <199804131542.RAA07694@d1o211.telia.com> Possible correction: It must have been the "Bombing Colours" series of articles, which I only have from part 10. Hyderabads and Hinaidis. (January 1970) That would place the DH-9 article sometime in 1969, possibly 1968. Does anyone still have these magazines? I have a complete set from jan.1970 through november 1979, and if anyone wants scans of pages from these ten years, feel free to ask. I have a feeling I owe favours more or less all around. Tom ---------- > From: David R.L. Laws > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: DH9A drawings > Date: 13. april 1998 05:00 > > Sorry, > > My collection of these magazines went out when the female of the species > began to dominate amnd totally pre-occupy my conscious and unconscious > thinking. The Article is probably one of those done by Chris Ellis or > some other such modelling guru of my impressionable youth Try around > 1966-68 That's the best I could do and it's a blind guess - If it helps, > I think this was part of a series they did - I also did the DH 9 from > the Airfix DH 4 - Their " Fighting Colours " section ran a parallel > series about this same time on the DH 9's and 9A's and I beliecve I did > my 9 as one of the " stripey " numbers that appeared in this series - > Actually won a prize for that one ! > > Regards > > DAVID R.L.LAWS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:59:53 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Hobinka P-1 (Russian DH9A) CORRECTION Message-ID: <01BD66CB.4A71AD00.panz-meador@vsti.com> a minor correction: the "P" is the cyrillic "R". the R-1 was the first of the soviet recce plane series which resulted in the R-5 used during the spanish civil war, for example. several R-1s were supplied to chinese air forces during the 20s and 30s by the way. phillip -----Original Message----- From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin [SMTP:mgoodwin@ricochet.net] Sent: Sunday, April 12, 1998 11:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Hobinka P-1 (Russian DH9A) CORRECTION Upon further review of references, it's apparent that the Hobinka P-1 kit has the exhaust manifolds of a Liberty-engined Ninack, and should have a few more louvres around the prop shaft. RAF RR-engined machines have a tube-type manifold with two stubs. I believe the RAF used both types, and the Bolshies bought or captured both types, as well as DH9s and 4s. Anyone who knows different is welcomed to comment. Cheers, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:03:32 -0800 From: Eric Fisher To: Subject: Re: C&C 28/4 / OTF seminar (again) Message-ID: <199804131605.JAA14957@mail.cwo.com> Bob, Sorry for the tardy response--I've been away from the computer for more than a week. I will be at Phoenix for the OTF seminar. I'll be sporting my nifty WWI badge, and really looking forward to meeting some 'listers' and listening to some great WWI historians... Eric. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:29:56 -0500 From: The Shannons To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's DIII - and "authenticity" Message-ID: <35323D84.512E4BB6@ix.netcom.com> Dave Watts wrote: > Courtesy of Sandy, quoth Harry Woodman: > > > One last thought is, Shane touched on the subject of perception, and how > models had been shaded to aid in the illusion of lighting. Interesting > approach to the subject, and reminded me of a train layout I had seen that > was built in perspective. You had to view it from one particular point, > the buildings were built in perspective, one wall would be 6" tall on one > end closest to you, and 2" tall at the far end away from you. I'd like to > see a airplane built in that manner :-), what a job! When it gets down to > it, it's all perception. > > > Off the sudsy soap box, > Best Wishes, > Dave W. FWIW, I believe you can see just such aircraft models at the Smithsonian. I'm not sure if they are now in the American History Museum or the NASM, but there were a number of historical dioramas on milestones in American aviation that were done with a forced perspective in a very shallow box. The perspective was forced to the point that the wings and empennage were not square to the fuselage, different lengths, etc. Two I remember clearly were the NC-4 coming into harbor after the cross-Atlantic flight and the low level WWII attack on Ploesti. From the standard angle, they looked great. But I was a wise ass even as a little kid and wanted to look at the details -- if you change angles of viewing, the illusion starts falling apart. -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:41:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Udet's DIII - and "authenticity" Message-ID: Dear Sandy: Excellent points, and thanks for the Woodman quote. A breath of fresh air, much welcome! Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:36:28 -0500 (CDT) From: fedders To: models Message-ID: I would like to build the 1/48 Short (TC models) soon but am having trouble finding one or more photos that clearly show the rigging. I am beginning to suspect that all good photos have been suppressed. Can anyone out there point me in the direction of a clear photo showing the rigging (at least part of it)? thank you peter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:45:31 -0500 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: Subject: Nieuport 10-12 Datafile No. 68 Message-ID: <199804131744.MAA12810@mail.primary.net> As info the Datafile No. 68 is out (in the U.S.). Written by J. M. Bruce with 37 pages, Brian Knight cover painting with 93 photos. Only comments - what a 'lanky' aircraft with that long fuselage! nb: Sierra 1/48 Fokker DII ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:56:18 -0500 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI WWW Page on CD? Message-ID: <35325FD2.A4815787@wireweb.net> Allan Wright wrote: > Hi Everyone! > > I was just wondering if there would be any interest in getting the > WWW page > on CD? I'm thinking of burning a copy for myself, and If I do it > wouldn't be > that much extra work to make some extra copies. I'd be using the CD > writer > at work after hours, so turn around might not be really fast, but once > you > got the CD you'd save yourself download time for all those images. > > I'm thinking the cost would be about $25, which would include US > shipping, > but international shipping would be actual cost extra. > > If you're interested please respond to me, I'll decide weather to > do it > based on interest. Comments / discussion can go to the list. 'Me too' > messages > to me personally: aew@unh.edu > > Thanks, > Al Allan, After due thought, and all sorts of other things including several photos to you, I have decided that if you do this CD thing I would like to be included in the output end of it. I believe a fair price may be a bit higher than your estimate and I am for it anyway. Please advise at your leisure. RE: Photos of the oil drips on T-M S4C. The subject was brought up several weeks ago but I had to wait a bit for the plane to fly again and become available once more to pose for me. A bit off WW1 is a, late 1920's, five cylinder radial powered Myers biplane. ( maybe Meyers) I will have the correct spelling later today. I have three pics right now. I can send them and you don't have to use them if you think it is not appropriate. Lee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:41:08 +0200 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Re: Udet's DIII and authenthicity Message-ID: <01BD6719.0F6D3320@fei1-p8.telepac.pt> Sandy, First of all thanks a lot for your reply to my queries regarding this = matter. You, as well as everybody else on the list who have shed some = light into my persistent doubts, were, as always, truly and most = generously helpful. I'd also like to thank you for the Woodman quote. I bought SAMI today = and I just re-read it and I believe I'm 100% with him. Someone will no = doubt step forward and say that Mr. Woodman himself has also made = statements based on his own interpretations of photos before, and that = as such he is known to have fallen into the same mistake he is accusing = some of now. I, for one, could quote him as saying (on the subject I've = been pestering you with) "Wings and fabric covered surfaces were = covered in 4 colour lozenge printed fabric, certainly as far as the = first batch of DIII were concerned but five colour may also have been = used", and then illustrating the article with a photo captioned like = this: " starboard side of cockpit of DIII which is useful as the fabric = covering can be seen: it follows the pattern of the 5 colour lozenge = fabric?".(And yet the photos and captions may have been added by the = editor and not by Mr. Woodman himself?). I thus think that even though I'd side 100% with him he generalised a = bit in the interest of trying to clarify his point.=20 Bottom line is: you're never really sure unless some irrevocable proof = is brought to your attention and in the case of events/things that have = since long been submitted to the natural wear and tear that the simple = passing of time brings about , unearthing such a proof is not easy. Now, I am not the type to become depressed if I can't find an answer to = a certain modeling problem, the 4 vs. 5 colour question being an exact = paradigm of this. I did pester you guys on this because I had THE DOUBT. = And Doubting is a key to may doors. I now have had many kind answers, = for which I'm really thankful, and even though I still don't have a = categorical answer, due to the lack of the above mentioned irrevocable = proof, I have the opportunity to use my own decision capacity. I dare = say that I've probably heard all there is to be heard on the subject of = 4 or 5 colour lozenge on SS DIII aircraft. And it was pretty easy to = have access to this wealth of information: all it took was a couple of = keyboard strokes. If knowledge is so easily at hand then it would be = silly not to try to get the most of it. This may sound overtly = opportunistic, and maybe it is, but still that's what really matters to = me. Thanks to you all I now have not the answer but all the relevant = data. It's up to me now to come up with the answer that suits me the = best and it really doesn't matter to me that when I finish my model = someone will come and say "You should have known better?". Thanks again guys, and forgive me for writing so much, (maybe this has = to do with the fact that I just had 4 days without reading mail from The = List.) Um abraco Pedro=20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:58:34 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RA Little & Triplane 'VERA' Message-ID: <20583405330086@KAIEN.COM> Greetings all, I was just put onto the AWM photo database at http://www.awm.gov.au/awm_search/photo.asp and they have a shot of RA Little and his wife Vera. Perhaps this means the previously unattributed Naval Eight Triplane of the same name belonged to him. Any thoughts? Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:37:13 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Further thoughts on Vera Message-ID: <22371347530353@KAIEN.COM> Me again, Perhaps Little's original Triplane was named after his fiancee/wife, Vera, while his more famous BLYMP was named after his son was born. For those unaware, Blymp was his son's nickname. Makes sense to me and will go into my OTF article as speculation unless someone has a better idea. Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:45:46 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Tom's Modelworks Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <3532A3AA.34B4@bellsouth.net> Joey Valenciano wrote: > I sand the wing down from the underside, removing all rib detail in the > process. No problem because the ribs shouldn't be seen from the underside, > and your blue or pink rib tapes will show rib positions anyway. Joey, Thanks for the tip. I'm facing the same problem with my SVA. That sounds like the easiest way to fix it. Of course the SVA wings have more problems than being too thick at the TE. Ernest > > ********************************************************************* > > Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, > joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist > tel. (632) 921-26-75 > Metro-Manila, Philippines > > "The more you know, the more you don't know." > > ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:49:21 -0400 From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Further thoughts on Vera Message-ID: <199804140049.UAA15781@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 06:37 PM 4/13/98 -0400, Bob Pearson wrote: >Perhaps Little's original Triplane was named after his fiancee/wife, Vera, >while his more famous BLYMP was named after his son was born. For those >unaware, Blymp was his son's nickname. Perhaps he was being humorous and Blymp referred top his wife when she was pregnant ;-) Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:49:23 -0400 From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Tom's Modelworks Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <199804140049.UAA15787@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 07:51 PM 4/13/98 -0400, Ernest Thomas wrote: >>Thanks for the tip. I'm facing the same problem with my SVA. That sounds >like the easiest way to fix it. Of course the SVA wings have more >problems than being too thick at the TE. Ernest I finished the SVA as a Christmas present this year. I left the wings alone, since fixing them was beyond my ability. However, the struts on the SMER kit definitely need to be fixed. They don't line up at all. In retrospect. I think I'd cut them into pieces and try and match them up that way...one piece at a time. Maybe glue the two u shaped supports that fix the middle of the wing to the top of the fuselage...let it dry for a long time, and then try and line up all those tiny struts. You might need to use new holes on the wings...... Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:21:44 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: DH9A drawings and Airfix magazines Message-ID: <353346C8.17B6@webtime.com.au> Tom, Sorry I couldn't help beyond a rough guide On your Kind Offer - Do you have an Index worked up for the copies of Airfix which you might be able to make available ? If so, could you remail off List and I might take you up on a modest selection Many thanks DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:09:57 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Librarian's Title of the Month: G.I. Series #7: Over There! The American Soldier in World War I Message-ID: <3532B765.7D97@ricochet.net> Lovely little title in a series which includes volumes on both sides of the Civil War, European and Pacific Theatres in WWII and the U.S. Army today. "Illustrated History of the American Soldier, His Uniform and His Equipment" by Jonathan Gawne. Covers everything from transition from blue to olive drab uniforms in 1910-1912 to post-war developments into the early '30s. Color section includes what appear to be 1920s plates of different uniforms & units, including women Red Cross babes, as well as 3 photos of the 6 different species of tunic/fatigues, various styles of helmet finishes/decoration and army/corps/division/ unit sleeve insignia patches respectively. May be of some use to collectors. Good coverage of the Doughboy's kit and equipment as well, from Colt M1911 to Renault F.T.17. There're also photos of Rickenbacker w/ Nie. 28, an American balloon unit and two random aviators and their Salmson 2A2 as well as Lt. Henry McClure as a POW(?) What really jumped out at me, though, were no less than 5 photos of American Infantryman in the Russian Civil War. I pretty much bought the book to see their faces...I'm willing to pay for the occasional extraordinary glimpse into the past. Serious competition for Osprey. I give this one a 9.5; the only thing it lacks are drawings. $12.95 US FWIW, R. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:23:09 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: SHORT Message-ID: <3533471D.2401@webtime.com.au> Peter, Which Short are you chasing for rigging details ? David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:29:17 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: Further thoughts on Vera Message-ID: <3533488D.2EE6@webtime.com.au> Mary-Ann/Michael wrote: Blymp was his son's nickname. > Perhaps he was being humorous and Blymp referred top his wife when she was pregnant ;-) > Mike Muth No Mike, it's possble he had a boy like ours - 10.5 kilos at 5 months _ we call ours PUD ( as in Pudding ) - Though He's heavy enough to rate as one of the larger Bombs !!! DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:49:20 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Oops (was Further thoughts on Vera) Message-ID: <01492064030764@KAIEN.COM> Greetings all, I'm back with a somewhat red face. In my excitement of perhaps narrowing doen one more of 8(N)'s Tripes, I immediately thought of VERA, when the real 8(N) Triplane was named VEDA. So obviously this wasn't one of Little's Tripes, nor was it named after his wife. But at least we learnt the weight of David Laws' Pud. -------------- Earlier today I wrote . . . Perhaps Little's original Triplane was named after his fiancee/wife, Vera, while his more famous BLYMP was named after his son was born. For those unaware, Blymp was his son's nickname. Makes sense to me and will go into my OTF article as speculation unless someone has a better idea. Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:06:29 -0400 From: Mountaineer To: wwi Subject: Re: Librarian's Title of the Month: G.I. Series #7: Over Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980414100629.007c5a50@pop.mindspring.com> At 09:18 PM 4/13/98 -0400, you wrote: >Lovely little title in a series which includes volumes on both sides of >the Civil War, European and Pacific Theatres in WWII and the U.S. Army >today. >"Illustrated History of the American Soldier, His Uniform and His >Equipment" by Jonathan Gawne. Covers everything from transition from This is a very good book, and the author is very credible. He also edits a magazine, I forget the title, which is very in depth about the US soldier in the 20th century. This magazine would be a great modeler's resource. I'll get info on it if anyone is interested. Another book I recommend is "World War I Infantry In Colour Photographs" by Laurent Mirouze. It's part of a series of books dealing with various 20th century eras of infantry. The book portrays several countries and uniform types which are depicted in high quality color photos. The uniforms are originals taken from various collections. IMHO, this book beats *any* Osprey type book hands down. And this is not to say the Osprey books are bad, this book is just *that* good! :-) Eric Townsend ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 979 *********************