WWI Digest 976 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Those building the Sierra SPAD A.4 by "Charles Duckworth" 2) australian imperial forces badge(s) by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 3) Re: Those building the Sierra SPAD A.4 by perrysm@juno.com 4) Re: Turkish translation by Matthew Zivich 5) Re: Those building the Sierra SPAD A.4 by "Charles Duckworth" 6) AIF Badge by Bob Pearson 7) RE: AIF Badge by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 8) RE: AIF Badge by Bob Pearson 9) Aviation What-Not has WWI Pictures! by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 10) Re: DH9A drawings by Bob Pearson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:01:32 -0500 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: "ww1list" Subject: Those building the Sierra SPAD A.4 Message-ID: <199804101600.LAA17466@mail.primary.net> Believe I finally came up with a means to do the metal framework that protected the gunner from the prop, was putting the crossed spoke-wheels (Tom's Model Works) on my Inpact AVRO biplane and saw the 'other' spoked wheel next to it (non-crossed spokes); thought one could keep and use the top curved section (that the instructions say to cut apart) and cut the axel hub off. Then drill holes behind the gunner where the spokes would go into and acc. Haven't counted spokes to see if it's an exact match but the theory sounds ok. nb: 1911 AVRO biplane nu: SPAD A.4 nr: Victoria Cross Airmen (FMP) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:09:16 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: australian imperial forces badge(s) Message-ID: <01BD6471.1AFFDDA0.panz-meador@vsti.com> FWIW, i've located the copy of osprey's "austrailian army at war, 1899-1975", which features a color plate depicting the AIF badge as well as other ww1 (and later) badges, ribbons, and formation signs. if anyone is interested, let me know and i'll forward you a scanned JPG of this stuff. phillip ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:42:28 -0400 From: perrysm@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Those building the Sierra SPAD A.4 Message-ID: <19980410.134228.16790.0.perrysm@juno.com> On Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:03:08 -0400 "Charles Duckworth" writes: >Believe I finally came up with a means to do the metal framework that >protected the gunner from >the prop, was putting the crossed spoke-wheels (Tom's Model Works) on >my >Inpact AVRO biplane and saw the 'other' spoked wheel next to it >(non-crossed spokes); thought one could keep and use the top curved >section (that the instructions say to cut apart) and cut the axel hub >off. >Then drill holes behind the gunner where the spokes would go into and >acc. >Haven't counted spokes to see if it's an exact match but the theory >sounds >ok. > >nb: 1911 AVRO biplane >nu: SPAD A.4 >nr: Victoria Cross Airmen (FMP) > Charlie: For the protective grille I used #28 brass wire glued into holes drilled in the plastic. The outter edge was one piece and then vertical pieces curved slightly. At the 1:48 size I guess I got about half the actual number. It looks ok and conveys the idea well. Your spoke idea sounds like it has the potential to do a lot better. Let us know how it works. BTW, I was careful not to sand too much off the parts when I prepared them and the "pulpit" still came out a bit narrow relative to the datafile drawings. Be aware of this as it affects the fit and look of the grille work. If you need the Mini Datafile on the A.2/A.4, let me know. Steven Perry perrysm@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:53:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Turkish translation Message-ID: Mark, I'd be happy to accomodate your request if you don't mind waiting a bit. I've sent out one copy to be translated by a list member and would send you that copy when it returns with the translation. There are many photographs and I'm still studying them in the original copy. Since I've used the "company" copier I won't be able to make additional copies beyond what I've done already. In the meantime, I'll save your email address and notify you when the translated version arrives. Matt Z. ps. Yes, there are a few Beys with persian lamb fezzes looking mighty fierce! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:56:44 -0500 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: Those building the Sierra SPAD A.4 Message-ID: <199804101755.MAA20910@mail.primary.net> Steven, thanks for the offer on the Minifile on the SPAD A.2/4 but already have it, wouldn't even think of building this vac without it. This was my first 1/48th scale vac, had built several in 1/72nd and thought it would be an easy change - the fuselage, wings were a breeze compared to the front pulpit with the floor and side venting to the engine. As a 'comic relief' to the A.4, am also working on the Sierra Fokker DII - pretty straight forward model. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:51:34 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list , WWI-L@ukans.edu Subject: AIF Badge Message-ID: <22513497224640@KAIEN.COM> Greetings all, Well I have had many replies to my query on the AIF 'Rising Sun' badge. Now I am wondering whether the WW1 version did in fact carry the words 'Australian Imperial Force' or, as now seems more likely, 'Australian Commonwealth Military Force'. I have descriptions for the former, but all photos and illustrations so far are of the latter. I would like to believe that the AIF used the same wording on their badge, however all evidence so far points to this not being so. Would anyone have a photo of a WW1 badge showing the AIF wording? Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:15:11 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: AIF Badge Message-ID: <01BD64AC.9AD8E4A0.panz-meador@vsti.com> bob: according to the osprey title, "In 1903 the badgemakers J.R. Gaunt & Son of Birmingham designed a badge whose basis did not change until the 1970s. The inscription on the scroll was 'AUSTRALIAN COMMONWEALTH MILITARY FORCES' until 1949..." unfortunately, photos of troopers wearing this badge are not of sufficient resolution to enable the viewer to read the words on the scroll (the pins were worn on both lapels). if i recall correctly, this thread started concerning an AIF-like badge beneath the observer's cockpit on an RE-8 (?). such a personal marking might not reproduce exactly the formal title of the badge. HTH, phillip -----Original Message----- From: Bob Pearson [SMTP:bpearson@kaien.com] Sent: Friday, April 10, 1998 5:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: AIF Badge Greetings all, Well I have had many replies to my query on the AIF 'Rising Sun' badge. Now I am wondering whether the WW1 version did in fact carry the words 'Australian Imperial Force' or, as now seems more likely, 'Australian Commonwealth Military Force'. I have descriptions for the former, but all photos and illustrations so far are of the latter. I would like to believe that the AIF used the same wording on their badge, however all evidence so far points to this not being so. Would anyone have a photo of a WW1 badge showing the AIF wording? Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:25:25 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: AIF Badge Message-ID: <23252500124704@KAIEN.COM> Phillip, Once again many thanks. You are correct in the original being on an aircraft (Bristol F2b F4442 of No.88 Sqn). I will go on the assumption that when Hepburn had the badge added to his aircraft he would have had it as seen on the badge. Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:40:24 -0700 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Aviation What-Not has WWI Pictures! Message-ID: <000001bd64da$08448bc0$9c4ffbce@chrisban> Yessiree! Our very own Bob Pearson has selected some interesting photos out of his collection for use in the April Aviation What-Not (http://www.willapabay.org/~herper/aviation), including a rare picture of an unexploded Camel from the short-lived "Camel Artillery Program" that was tried out in the summer of 1918. There's also some other stuff there, but it mostly has only one wing. Chris .. ------------------------------------------ "Study men, not historians." Harry S. Truman (1884-1972), U.S. democratic politician, president. Quoted in: Robert H. Ferrell, Off the Record (1980). ------------------------------------------ Alga Computer Systems http://willapabay.org/~herper/ ------------------------------------------ Aviation What-Not http://www.willapabay.org/~herper/aviation ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:18:48 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: DH9A drawings Message-ID: <00184855824821@KAIEN.COM> Riordan, I don't have GAs as such, but I do have the Profile on it if you want to borrow that for a bit. Regards, Bob Pearson Darius wrote . . . > >Anyone have any recent (possibly more accurate than Harleyford) drawings > >of the Ninack? > > > >TIA, > > > >Riordan > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 976 *********************