WWI Digest 971 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: London by Ernest Thomas 2) Re: Udet's SS DIII by BStett3770 3) Air-Britain Web Site? by BStett3770 4) New twist on an old trick. by Ernest Thomas 5) New twist on an old trick. -Reply by Peter Mitchell 6) Re: U-505 by "Bill Ciciora" 7) Re: TOKO Landings at Hannants UK by mbittner@juno.com 8) Re: Udet's SS DIII by mbittner@juno.com 9) Re: Udet's SS DIII by "David R.L. Laws" 10) Re: Vac-forms (a bit off-topic, but...) by ModelerAl 11) Re: Air-Britain Web Site? by "Rob." 12) Re: Air-Britain Web Site? -Reply by Peter Mitchell 13) UTD Book Sale by "Douglas R. Jones" 14) Re: Reprint of Jane's Fighting A/C of WW1 by Graham Nash 15) A.I.F badge by Bob Pearson 16) Re: A.I.F badge by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 17) Recent Scans by Graham Nash 18) Re: Udet's SS DIII by Graham Nash 19) Question needing short answer by perrysm@juno.com 20) Re: Question needing short answer by mbittner@juno.com 21) Re: Udet's SS DIII by mbittner@juno.com 22) Re: Question needing short answer by Mick Fauchon 23) Mail Box full by Graham Nash 24) Re: Question needing short answer by perrysm@juno.com 25) greetings by "Sandy Adam" 26) Fw: Black Watch by "Sandy Adam" 27) Re: What to do on a trip to Germany? -Reply by GRBroman 28) Re: Reprint of Jane's Fighting A/C of WW1 by "Charles Duckworth" 29) Re: WWI digest 969 by Thomas Christopher Cato 30) Re: Udet's SS DIII by Charles Hart 31) Re: Udet's SS DIII by KarrArt 32) Re: Reprint of Jane's Fighting A/C of WW1 by KarrArt 33) Re: greetings by KarrArt 34) Re: Reprint of Jane's Fighting A/C of WW1 by Graham Nash 35) Re: London by Matthew Zivich ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 19:46:19 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: London Message-ID: <3529775B.1B40@bellsouth.net> Matthew Zivich wrote: > > ps. Alberto, I forgot to warn you not to eat the beef or any beef > by-products while in the UK. > > Matt Alberto, Don't listen to Matt:) I had a mad cow burger when I was in Glouchester 2 yrs ago and it was quite tastey. But I will warn you, after eating English bacon, it took me over a year before I could stomach U.S. bacon again. Ernest ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:07:05 EDT From: BStett3770 To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's SS DIII Message-ID: <27b46d8f.35297c3b@aol.com> In a message dated 98-04-06 19:01:08 EDT, you write: << Barry, since you raised the subject of green SS, let me quote from this = article: "Fritz Beckhardt of Kesta 4b flew an early production DIII with a green = fuselage and a white swastika on the sides and top" >> Hi Pedro, Thank's for the info, adds to my desire to do the SS D-4 in green Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:29:24 EDT From: BStett3770 To: wwi Subject: Air-Britain Web Site? Message-ID: <6c32983b.35298176@aol.com> Hi Gang Peter Mitchell & I were trying to look at Air Britains site. Can't get it to work. The URL I have book marked is about 3 months old. Any one know if it was changed ? Thank's Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 20:42:06 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: multiple recipients of list Subject: New twist on an old trick. Message-ID: <3529846E.3B9A@bellsouth.net> I came up with this last night while trying to cut out an instrument panel for the SVA. Instead of wrestling with guages, or stealing my daughters play-doh, I used epoxy putty in place of clay/playdoh. I now have a rock-soild template that's easy to hold and easy to trace. I used it to cut out 4 identical panels. Each one fits like a glove. Never again will I sweat over making a bulkhead. Ernest ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 11:52:01 +1000 From: Peter Mitchell To: wwi Subject: New twist on an old trick. -Reply Message-ID: Good one Ernest, Certainly beats putting the fuselage and plasticine in the freezer to make it hard. :-) > >I came up with this last night while trying to cut out an instrument >panel for the SVA. Instead of wrestling with guages, or stealing my >daughters play-doh, I used epoxy putty in place of clay/playdoh. I now >have a rock-soild template that's easy to hold and easy to trace. I used >it to cut out 4 identical panels. Each one fits like a glove. Never >again will I sweat over making a bulkhead. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:26:06 -0500 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: U-505 Message-ID: If anyone wants more info on this off-topic boat: http://www.msichicago.org/exhibit/U505/U505home.html Bill Ciciora ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:26:09 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: TOKO Landings at Hannants UK Message-ID: <19980406.212617.14278.5.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 6 Apr 1998 06:12:10 -0400 Graham Nash writes: >Latest from Hannants > >TOKO =20 >TOK12772 Ilyushin Il-2 =A35.95=20 >TOK13272 Ilyushin Il-2M =A35.95=20 >TOK12872 Sopwith Snipe =A34.50=20 >TOK12972 Nieuport "Bebe" =A34.50 I didn't see it on their "new" section, just their "up and coming" section (or whatever it's called). I was extremely excited by this news, had the credit card out, and noticed they weren't in yet. Crap. :-) If any of the vendors on this list would like to send me one of the first Nie.11's that come in, I will pay you back! :-) Need that Nieuport fix! Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:23:56 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's SS DIII Message-ID: <19980406.212617.14278.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:00:01 -0400 Pedro e Francisca Soares writes: >1 - I have the 3 views by Harry Woodman that appeared in Scale Models >in = >1981 and although I can grasp that there was a former behind the pilot >= >seat I can't figure out if there was any sort of panel/bulkhead to = >prevent slipstream to go inside the aircraft. Was there any? If you can wait (which somehow I doubt :-)) I can photocopy my cockpit references and ship them out. >2 - Lozenge on Udet's a/c. Was it 4 or 5 colour? and what about rib = >tapes, were they plain coloured or cut from lozenge fabric? I believe lozenge. >3 - The article by H. Woodman states that the fabric on Udet's plane >= >was applied spanwise and not chordwise as suggested in the colour >views = >on Profile 86. Any opinions on this? 45 degree angle was common on all SSW's. Yes, there could have been exceptions, but I doubt it. This comes from the Datafile. >4 - Would anyone with the relevant Profile, and access to a scanner, >be = >willing to scan the 5 colour view of Udet's ship? You don't need a scan. It's all red with a white rudder. The lower wing roots and landing gear struts and metal area under the fuselage behind the cowl was medium gray. Not to toot my own horn, but take a look at mine on Al's site. The biggest thing I did wrong was paint the rudder red. HTH. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 13:22:49 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's SS DIII Message-ID: <352A28A9.64C1@webtime.com.au> Pedro and Matt Gentlemen, any chance of obtaining copies of the Woodman Drwgs and cockpit shots Love the SSW D III and references are pretty thin on the ground Thanks if you can REGARDS DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:02:29 EDT From: ModelerAl To: wwi Subject: Re: Vac-forms (a bit off-topic, but...) Message-ID: <7c0e0d83.3529a556@aol.com> Pedro wrote: >anybody out there know what are the differences >between the Whirlwind and a Sikorsky UH-19A AFAIK, there were no significant external differences. HTH, Al http://users.aol.com/modeleral ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:43:11 +0000 From: "Rob." To: wwi Subject: Re: Air-Britain Web Site? Message-ID: <199804070447.AAA18865@cliff.concentric.net> Try . > Hi Gang > > Peter Mitchell & I were trying to look at Air Britains site. Can't get it to > work. > The URL I have book marked is about 3 months old. Any one know if it was > changed ? > > Thank's > Barry > Rosemont Hobby > > Rob To e-mail me, replace the l with the numeral 1. Visit Chandelle, the Web Journal of Aviation History ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 15:03:13 +1000 From: Peter Mitchell To: wwi Subject: Re: Air-Britain Web Site? -Reply Message-ID: >>> "Rob." 7/April/1998 02:50pm >>> Try . Thanks, Works a treat! Pete. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 00:30:46 -0500 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi Cc: mcaspari@utdallas.edu, time_machines@mainstream.net Subject: UTD Book Sale Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980407003043.006af460@deimos.tx.iex.com> I have updated the web pages containing the books being sold by UTD. Hopefully this attempt will be far easier to read an view. Please excuse the propaganda at the bottom of each frame. It's the burden one gets when using a "free" web service! There are a number of new books in the list. I will go through tomorrow and mark them as such. Let me know if you have any problems with the pages. The URL is: http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/aeroclassics/Page1.html Thanks! Doug -------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 | djones@iex.com -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:38:17 -0700 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Re: Reprint of Jane's Fighting A/C of WW1 Message-ID: <199804070738.AA00890@egate2.citicorp.com> Charles Duckworth wrote: > > Received my latest Hamilton book list today (I'm on vacation - raking last > years leaves in the yard) and saw that they have Jane's Fighting Aircraft > of WW1 for $22.95 (USD). Shipping is $3.00. Their book number is 81895X. > Ad mentions this is a 'studio edition' 9 3/4" x 12 1/4", 1,000 > illustrations, 320 pages. > > Hamilton's address is: > Edward R Hamilton > Bookseller > Falls Village, CT 06031-5000 This book is GBP12.99 in UK remaindered shops at the moment. Contact me off list if you would like one. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:28:30 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: A.I.F badge Message-ID: <08283044813750@KAIEN.COM> Greetings all, I am working on a profile of Bristol F2b F4442 of No.88 Sqn. This featured a representation of the Australian Imperial Forces badge below the gunners cockpit. However the photos I have aren't too clear on the details of this marking. Would anyone have a photo of an actual badge I could make use of? regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:36:56 -0700 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: Re: A.I.F badge Message-ID: <004301bd6200$5b835e60$a34ffbce@chrisban> Hi Bob, Well, I don't have the badge, but I do have a picture of an F2B of the Mesopotamian Half Flight, A-7198, that I could send you, if you like. Chris .. ------------------------------------------ "Study men, not historians." Harry S. Truman (1884-1972), U.S. democratic politician, president. Quoted in: Robert H. Ferrell, Off the Record (1980). ------------------------------------------ Alga Computer Systems http://willapabay.org/~herper/ ------------------------------------------ Aviation What-Not http://www.willapabay.org/~herper/aviation ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 10:41:12 -0700 From: Graham Nash To: World War 1 Modelling List Subject: Recent Scans Message-ID: <199804070941.AA04266@egate2.citicorp.com> As far as I am aware, I've now sent everything to anyone who's requested anything. However, being only human, if you're expecting a scan, and have not yet received it, please let me know off-list. Happy modelling ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 10:50:02 -0700 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's SS DIII Message-ID: <199804070950.AA04593@egate2.citicorp.com> David R.L. Laws wrote: > > Pedro and Matt > > Gentlemen, any chance of obtaining copies of the Woodman Drwgs and > cockpit shots Love the SSW D III and references are pretty thin on the > ground > > Thanks if you can > > REGARDS > > DAVID Anyone out there have WW1 Aero issues 123,126 and 132, which have SSW details in? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:16:50 -0400 From: perrysm@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Question needing short answer Message-ID: <19980407.060537.4006.0.perrysm@juno.com> I have a question I'd like an answer for, however I don't wish to make a major thread out of it. I am trying to mix an approximation of the (in)famous German Interior grey/green primer. My question is this: Is a reasonable approximation of this color more grey than green or more green than grey? TIA Steven Perry perrysm@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 05:17:48 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Question needing short answer Message-ID: <19980407.051749.11454.7.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 06:12:57 -0400 perrysm@juno.com writes: >Is a reasonable approximation of this color more grey than green or more >green than grey? I have used Testor's "SAC Bomber Green" out of the bottle. HTH. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 05:17:04 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's SS DIII Message-ID: <19980407.051749.11454.6.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 05:56:21 -0400 Graham Nash writes: >Anyone out there have WW1 Aero issues 123,126 and 132, which have SSW >details in? Yup! Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:28:32 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Question needing short answer Message-ID: Steven, > Is a reasonable approximation of this color more grey than green or more > green than grey? FWIW, my entirely subjective opinion would be: more green than grey. Try Revell Seidenmatt 362. Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 11:29:48 -0700 From: Graham Nash To: World War 1 Modelling List Subject: Mail Box full Message-ID: <199804071029.AA05462@egate2.citicorp.com> Ken, I'm afraid I've filled your mailbox. Let me know when you've made some room. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:12:14 -0400 From: perrysm@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Question needing short answer Message-ID: <19980407.071214.4646.1.perrysm@juno.com> On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 06:20:15 -0400 mbittner@juno.com writes: >On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 06:12:57 -0400 perrysm@juno.com writes: > >>Is a reasonable approximation of this color more grey than green or >more >>green than grey? > >I have used Testor's "SAC Bomber Green" out of the bottle. HTH. > > >Matt Bittner > Thanks Matt: I'll give that a try. I have an e-mail box other than juno and can receive large attachments. Graham sent me a copy of the SSW D.1 Nieuport clone. Would you like a printout? Which brings me to the fact that I lost your snail address. Shoot it to me and I'll send you the Ilya plans and the D.I article if you want it. sp _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:11:42 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: greetings Message-ID: <199804071108.MAA11922@beryl.sol.co.uk> Hi guys - back from hols - 400+ messages to read through - and thats only WW1 list! Apologies if I've missed / haven't replied to anything I should have. Didn't get the "War in the Air" volumes, just too late, but did find some pretty interesting books. One up-market book shop had Neumann's translated "German Air Force in the War" but 95GBP was a bit too rich for me - even for a 1920 first edition! And then I found a treasure trove in another place with things like a 1916 first edition of Claude Graham-White's "Heroes of the RFC" for only 12GBP - intact dustcover and all! I see the surreal content of Al's list has not changed - a thread on "What to do in Germany?" (visit the Museum Island in Berlin) - turns out to consist of sailing a U-Boat up Chicago streets! - and Matt has invited every supplier worldwide to deluge him with tiny Nieuport Bebes! (Dig him out guys!) If it helps, there's a revised colour profile of Udet's S-S in the latest Windsock BTW. Anyway, good to be back Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:40:58 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Fw: Black Watch Message-ID: <199804071108.MAA11919@beryl.sol.co.uk> Attention Ken Hagerup Apologies to rest of WW1 list - this bounces if I try to send direct - please ignore > > > Thanks so much for all your help. I think my grandfather's discharge > > papers still exist someplace. The engraving on his medals reads, > > "S-25099 PTE. T. M. HILSON. R. HIGHLANDERS." His first name was > > Thomas. I'll write to the archivist, but do you think you could see if > > Mr. Smyth can do anything with the Army number (I'm guessing that's what > > S-25099 is)? > Hi again Ken - I phoned Tom Smyth at Black Watch Museum this morning and he confirmed that 25099 is your Grandfather's Army Number. The S prefix signifies a volunteer who enlisted with a Scottish regiment for the duration of the war. Now the bad news - his records only go up to 18271 in 1916 and he has no surviving info on 1917 or after. He tells me the only other source would be the Public Records Office in London - but as said before, they lost a lot of their WW1 archive during the Blitz, (MvR's pals), so may still not be able to help. I have never been to the PRO but understand it is open to visitors although they do not have the staff to carry out research for enquiries. I believe that there are researchers who will carry out PRO searches for you - for a price - but don't have any names. Do you want me to get PRO contact info for you - I have a book somewhere on searching RAF records in the PRO which might help but it does state that you need to know the exact reference for whatever you are trying to find. I can get you address if you wish to try them direct. Alternatively if Graham Nash (on the WW1 List) is London based he may already have experience of the PRO in Kew. If you know exactly when your grandad was wounded, let me know and I can try the Perthshire Herald newspaper which carried daily casualty lists and may give some info. Also if you know of any other local info I would be more than happy to try to follow it up (time permitting). HTH Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:02:29 EDT From: GRBroman To: wwi Subject: Re: What to do on a trip to Germany? -Reply Message-ID: <33b777bb.352a15d7@aol.com> In a message dated 98-04-06 19:02:46 EDT, you write: << >ps. the Hun sub is still there but is getting shabby what with all those >years in dry dock exposed to the lakeside storms. It's as Chicago as >the Sears Tower, Watertower Place, or Chicago pizza. Or, regretfully, the Cubs. >> Hi Mike, maybe the German sub is a good symbol for the Cubbies. Niether one has had a winning season since 1945 ;) Glen ( Whose Cubbies are 5-1) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:20:42 -0500 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: Reprint of Jane's Fighting A/C of WW1 Message-ID: <199804071329.IAA26478@mail.primary.net> Graham, thanks for the offer but I have one, I bought my re-print 10 years ago in Washington DC on a business trip and then had to find a spot in my luggage to fit it in. It's not a great reference but is nice to have the engine photos in one book. Charlie ---------- > From: Graham Nash > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Reprint of Jane's Fighting A/C of WW1 > Date: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 2:40 AM > > Charles Duckworth wrote: > > > > Received my latest Hamilton book list today (I'm on vacation - raking last > > years leaves in the yard) and saw that they have Jane's Fighting Aircraft > > of WW1 for $22.95 (USD). Shipping is $3.00. Their book number is 81895X. > > Ad mentions this is a 'studio edition' 9 3/4" x 12 1/4", 1,000 > > illustrations, 320 pages. > > > > Hamilton's address is: > > Edward R Hamilton > > Bookseller > > Falls Village, CT 06031-5000 > > This book is GBP12.99 in UK remaindered shops at the moment. Contact me > off list if you would like one. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:01:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Christopher Cato To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: WWI digest 969 Message-ID: >few but haven't started them yet. I didn't get the Pfalz or the Nieuport >so I can't comment on those kits. Are those resin or Vac-form? I have >samples of each from Tom's. If you are thinking about getting the vac. >kits, all I can say is that they're vacs. They come with a bunch of >white metal and PE parts, but they're still vacs. I've never built a vac >yet but it looks like quite a bit of work. >Tom's resin kits are about the same as the vacs except the main >parts(wings, fuselage, empenage) are resin instead of Vac-formed >plastic. It's still a pretty big job, but the parts aren't as flimsey. >Not knowing where your modeling skills are, I would hesitate to recomend >one of these kits simply because it may be more than you're looking to >get involved in. However, if you've put together vacs before, and don't >mind having to scratch-build a lot of parts, then you would probably >enjoy these kits.. These sound good - In this area they are about half the price of the Blue Max kits although considerably more work. Resin and Vacs aren't terribly intimidating to me at this point. Not that my modeling skills are that great - just my patience had improved considerably since I was a kid! Bot the Pfalz and Nieuport are resin so perhaps I will give one a try. I like your reccomendations on the D.VIII. Alas the budget precludes getting both so perhaps it will depend on the mood I'm in when I'm at the local hobby shop! Again - this is a great list and the day definately doesn't seem right without my daily WW1 digest. Chris Cato ------------------------------------------------- email at: tcato@bgnet.bgsu.edu webbed at: http://www/serve.com/tcato/index.html "Let me have music dying, and I seek No more delight." - Keats ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:40:27 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's SS DIII Message-ID: Pedro inquires: >I started putting together Toko's SS DIII which I'll do in Udet's = >Markings, but I have a few doubts which I'm counting on you guys to sort = >out: > >1 - I have the 3 views by Harry Woodman that appeared in Scale Models in = >1981 and although I can grasp that there was a former behind the pilot = >seat I can't figure out if there was any sort of panel/bulkhead to = >prevent slipstream to go inside the aircraft. Was there any? > >2 - Lozenge on Udet's a/c. Was it 4 or 5 colour? and what about rib = >tapes, were they plain coloured or cut from lozenge fabric? All photos I have seen show 5-color lozenge on SSWs and most of them appear to have lozenge rib tapes as well. >3 - The article by H. Woodman states that the fabric on Udet's plane = >was applied spanwise and not chordwise as suggested in the colour views = >on Profile 86. Any opinions on this? The lower wings on both the D-III and IV feature spanwise application of 5-color fabric. In the Datafile, Ray Rimell speculates that the top wings had 45 degree application of fabric. The point of fact is that none of the photos he published in that tome show clearly enough the mode of application of fabric, and to his credit Rimell admits to some ambiguity on this point. The drawings in the Datafile of the D-III and IV are quite good. When you look at the Toko kit parts in comparison with these it is apparent that making an "accurate" D-III is more work than the D-IV. Most glaring point I noticed was that the chord of the elevator on the kit part is correct for the D-IV but obviously too narrow for the D-III. Aileron horns/balances are undernourished all round. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:00:56 EDT From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's SS DIII Message-ID: <45cc6b04.352a4dbb@aol.com> In a message dated 98-04-07 05:53:52 EDT, you write: << Anyone out there have WW1 Aero issues 123,126 and 132, which have SSW details in? >> As the SSW thread popped up a couple of days ago, I've been meaning to get around to the WW I AERO stuff. Great drawings that supercede everything else.I shall dig them up later today! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:00:58 EDT From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Reprint of Jane's Fighting A/C of WW1 Message-ID: <579b852f.352a4dbc@aol.com> Just out of curiosity, which Janes reprint is being discussed here? The edited, verticle format edition that started showing up in book stores several years ago or the 1919 facsimile complete with all the advertisements that's been around since the late 60s- early70s.Now THAT'S an interesting book. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:01:00 EDT From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: greetings Message-ID: In a message dated 98-04-07 07:17:17 EDT, you write: << Anyway, good to be back Sandy >> A great big runny welcome back and howdy y'all! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 17:19:25 -0700 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Re: Reprint of Jane's Fighting A/C of WW1 Message-ID: <199804071619.AA23748@egate2.citicorp.com> KarrArt wrote: > > Just out of curiosity, which Janes reprint is being discussed here? The > edited, verticle format edition that started showing up in book stores several > years ago That's the one I've mentioned. > or the 1919 facsimile complete with all the advertisements that's > been around since the late 60s- early70s.Now THAT'S an interesting book. I've not seen this in remaindered shops, but what do I know? Happy modelling ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:27:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: London Message-ID: Ernest, It takes a few years for the symptoms to start showing. Matt Z On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, Ernest Thomas wrote: > Matthew Zivich wrote: > > > > ps. Alberto, I forgot to warn you not to eat the beef or any beef > > by-products while in the UK. > > > > Matt > > Alberto, > > Don't listen to Matt:) > I had a mad cow burger when I was in Glouchester 2 yrs ago and it was > quite tastey. But I will warn you, after eating English bacon, it took > me over a year before I could stomach U.S. bacon again. > > Ernest > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 971 *********************