WWI Digest 970 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Vac-forms (a bit off-topic, but...) by Matt Bacon 2) Re: What to do on a trip to Germany? -Reply by GRBroman 3) S.S. D.I article by Graham Nash 4) EVR's 'Fighting the Flying Circus' & MvR by Graham Nash 5) Airfix Magazine Scans by Graham Nash 6) Reprint of Jane's Fighting A/C of WW1 by "Charles Duckworth" 7) Re: Price quotes (Wings vacs & Eduard) by Patrick Padovan 8) Re: What to do on a trip to Germany? -Reply by "Lee Mensinger" 9) Re: Price quotes (Wings vacs & Eduard) by Patrick Padovan 10) Re: What to do on a trip to Germany? -Reply by Patrick Padovan 11) RE: What to do on a trip to Germany? -Reply by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 12) Re: What to do on a trip to Germany? -Reply by Matthew Zivich 13) Re: London by Matthew Zivich 14) Re: London by Matthew Zivich 15) Re: Future & Decals: Triumphs and Disasters by Matthew Zivich 16) Re: What to do on a trip to Germany? -Reply by Matthew Zivich 17) couple of questions by Franco Poloni 18) RE: London by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 19) Re: What to do on a trip to Germany? by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton 20) Re: Vac-forms (a bit off-topic, but...) by reaton@dsccc.com 21) Meikraft by Carlos Valdes 22) Udet's SS DIII by Pedro e Francisca Soares 23) RE: Vac-forms (a bit off-topic, but...) by Pedro e Francisca Soares 24) Re: What to do on a trip to Germany? -Reply by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 25) Re: What to do on a trip to Germany? -Reply by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 26) RE: Udet's SS DIII by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 13:33:58 +0100 From: Matt Bacon To: wwi Subject: Vac-forms (a bit off-topic, but...) Message-ID: <3528CBB6.92697CF@london.virgin.net> After all these years, I'm just about to do my first vac-form (actually, a conversion) of a Whirlwind helicopter (that's the off-topicness over, then) my father-in-law flew during his time in the RAF. I'd appreciate som hints and tips on how to approach it: 1) Dumb question, but... what's the approved method of getting it off the sheet? Vertical cut through flat part around fuselage, or horizontal cut through the walls of the fuselage? 2) What's the best method of joining? Make a few of my own tabs and use liquid cement? Or something else? 3) Any other pitfalls to watch out for/easy ways to success that anyone cares to share? best, M. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Matt Bacon, Creative Development, Virgin Net, 20 Soho Square, London t:(+44) 0171 479 4406 f:479 4401 m:0411 165023 http://www.virgin.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:47:55 EDT From: GRBroman To: wwi Subject: Re: What to do on a trip to Germany? -Reply Message-ID: <8227e2bf.3528dd0c@aol.com> In a message dated 98-04-06 07:48:17 EDT, you write: << >>They barged it in. I'm going on memory here, but I thought that it was "caught" somewhere near the mouth of the St. Lawrence River???? Mike Muth >> The U-505 ws the first enemy warship boarded at sea and captured by the US Navy since the war of 1812 ( In the mid-Atlantic somewhere). It was towed in great secrecy to the Bahama's and then on to the US. Word of the capture remained secret for many years and the crew involved in the capture did not receive recognition until either very late or after the end of the war with Germany. The Commander of the Task Force retired as an Admiral ( Galloway?) and wrote several books, including one that covered the capture of U-505. He also wrote the "Cap'n and Fatso" series. Those of you who were kids 30 plus years ago may remember them..... :) Glen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 14:57:25 -0700 From: Graham Nash To: World War 1 Modelling List Subject: S.S. D.I article Message-ID: <199804061357.AA22209@egate2.citicorp.com> Following the recent (short-lived) thread on Nieuport Clones, I have scanned a copy of the article in Windsock Vol 5 No 3, on the conversion of a Revell 17 into an S.S. D.I. If anyone would also like a copy, please contact me off-list. File size for the 4 pages is just under 2mb, so if you know you have a file size limitation, let me know and I'll send in smaller chunks. Happy modelling. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 15:05:53 -0700 From: Graham Nash To: World War 1 Modelling List Subject: EVR's 'Fighting the Flying Circus' & MvR Message-ID: <199804061406.AA22917@egate2.citicorp.com> There has been a spurt of activity over at http://www.wtj.com/pl/pages/rick.htm They've finished all the installments of EVR's book. while at http://www.wtj.com/pl/pages/richt.htm They're up to Chapter 6 of MvR's biography Happy modelling ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 17:01:22 -0700 From: Graham Nash To: World War 1 Modelling List Subject: Airfix Magazine Scans Message-ID: <199804061601.AA01288@egate2.citicorp.com> As promised a few months ago, I now have scans of two Airfix magazine articles, with a couple more to follow: Available now Hucks Starter Military Ford T. forthcoming Early British Armoured Cars Part 1 Early British Armoured Cars Part 2 'B' Type Lorry from 'B' Type bus Let me know off-list if you would like copies. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:44:51 -0500 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: Subject: Reprint of Jane's Fighting A/C of WW1 Message-ID: <199804061644.LAA13142@mail.primary.net> Received my latest Hamilton book list today (I'm on vacation - raking last years leaves in the yard) and saw that they have Jane's Fighting Aircraft of WW1 for $22.95 (USD). Shipping is $3.00. Their book number is 81895X. Ad mentions this is a 'studio edition' 9 3/4" x 12 1/4", 1,000 illustrations, 320 pages. Hamilton's address is: Edward R Hamilton Bookseller Falls Village, CT 06031-5000 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:57:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Price quotes (Wings vacs & Eduard) Message-ID: Dear Drordin: (Sp?) FWIW, I have a Merlin 1 & 1/2 Strutter, which you are welcome to have if you want it. The wings are horrible, like planks. Each are presented in 3 pieces, which isn't a problem, EXCEPT that each section is a different width. They require thinning to the point where scratch building would be a more eeficient alternative. Let me know if you want mine, you can have it! Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, Michelle and Rory Goodwin wrote: > Speaking of the local chiseler, I noticed a 1/72 Wings Breguet 14 sans > decals but with injected struts for $11.25 and Salmson 2A2 similarly > ill-equiped for $13.25. Both have all the metal bits, BTW. Also, there's > a Merlin Strutter for $15.00 Are these reasonable prices? > At a different non-extortionist shop, there're a stack of Eduard H-B > D-1s for $24.95. Barring swap-meets & shows, Is this the best price I > can get for this o-o-p kit? > Anyone know of mail-order sources? > > TIA, > > Riordan > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 12:55:16 -0500 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi, PeterM3@nch.edu.au, "Lee Mensinger" Subject: Re: What to do on a trip to Germany? -Reply Message-ID: <35291704.FA5014C3@wireweb.net> Peter Mitchell wrote: > << For a full U-boat, I believe they still have one at the Museum of > Science & Industry in Chicago...at least they did many years ago. > Mike Muth > >> > >still there > Robert K. > > How the heck did they get a U-boat to Chicago? :-o > > Pete. I believe it was towed down the St Lawrence into the Great Lakes and then stopped Chicago.. As I recall the sub was originally being scuttled when it was captured. Someone managed to get the valves closed and talthough the ship was awash in the stern it was towed to the U.S. coast and pumped out. After that it was pretty simple to do what ever they wished with ship.. It ended up in Chicago's Museum of Science and Industry many years ago.. Once I believe it was mounted outside of the building. Don't know if it is in or out now. The museum is also the location of the restored "Stuka" hanging from the ceiling. Lee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:02:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Price quotes (Wings vacs & Eduard) Message-ID: Dear Roridanian: Yes, both these Wings 72 kits were issued with decal sheets. I have both of them, and both have decal sheets included. These are really excellent, above the average vac kits w/ lots of metal goodies. Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, Michelle and Rory Goodwin wrote: > Bill Shatzer wrote: > > > The prices are certainly within the ranges of the current suggested > > values for these oop kits as listed in the most recent Kit Collectors' > > Value Guide > > Which end of the range, upper or lower (or middle)? Also, were these > issued at one time or another with decals? > > > Frankly, I've never been overly impressed with the quality of > > the Merlin kits - the price is "fair" but whether the kit is > > worth it, even at a "fair" price is debatable. > > I heard that. I'm all but resigned to wait for Toko anyhow. > > > Probably this is close to the best price - the sticker on > > mine shows that I got mine new several years ago at > > $22.50 - and the $24.95 price seems to be the standard price > > for the current crop of Eduard single seaters without the > > cast metal goodies. Of course, you might do better if you > > stumble across someone with a close-out sale but if you want > > the kit, I'd grab it at $24.95. Otherwise, while waiting > > around to try and save $5 or so, you may find 'em all gone > > and the only way to get one is to pay dreaded "collectors' > > prices" - which is almost certain to be a bit more than > > $24.95. > > As there is a stack, I plan to monitor the H-B population until it > declines to a few individuals, which is how I ended up buying the > Hannover for $31.49+. > Darius's theorem postulates that the threshold for single-place, > single-engine 1/48 injection fighter kits seems to be around $35 for > WWII and around ten dollars less for WWI kits. At the $35 level, kits > approach the price of power tools, and are not as easily justifiable > purchases for those with finite resources, and/ or spouses and > significant others who prefer more pragmatic hobbies (such as > furniture-building or other woodworking skills) in their mates. Vac > prices/values are highly variable, being largely consumed by malcontents > and feinds, and do not fit into any known uniform continuum :-) > > Thanks for the reply, > > Riordan > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:10:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: What to do on a trip to Germany? -Reply Message-ID: Dear Pete: Well, its funny you should ask that, 'cause there's a kid's book called :Moving a Rocket, a Sub, and London Bridge, by David Paige, and the sub of the title is god 'ol U-505, now parked outside the CMOSAI. The book has lots of photos showing exactly how they managed it. Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, Peter Mitchell wrote: > > << For a full U-boat, I believe they still have one at the Museum of > Science & Industry in Chicago...at least they did many years ago. > Mike Muth > >> > >still there > Robert K. > > How the heck did they get a U-boat to Chicago? :-o > > Pete. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:03:18 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: What to do on a trip to Germany? -Reply Message-ID: <01BD6164.C0BD57A0.panz-meador@vsti.com> evidently the U-boat was kept outdoors, and has gotten crapped out over the decades. according to "naval history" magazine, a fund is being organized to try and restore this boat, as has been done with several us ww2-era 'gato'-class fleet subs at various locales. NB the U-? was the first enemy ship taken by (US navy) boarding on the high seas since the war of 1812. phillip -----Original Message----- From: Lee Mensinger [SMTP:lemen@wireweb.net] Sent: Monday, April 06, 1998 12:58 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: What to do on a trip to Germany? -Reply Peter Mitchell wrote: > << For a full U-boat, I believe they still have one at the Museum of > Science & Industry in Chicago...at least they did many years ago. > Mike Muth > >> > >still there > Robert K. > > How the heck did they get a U-boat to Chicago? :-o > > Pete. I believe it was towed down the St Lawrence into the Great Lakes and then stopped Chicago.. As I recall the sub was originally being scuttled when it was captured. Someone managed to get the valves closed and talthough the ship was awash in the stern it was towed to the U.S. coast and pumped out. After that it was pretty simple to do what ever they wished with ship.. It ended up in Chicago's Museum of Science and Industry many years ago.. Once I believe it was mounted outside of the building. Don't know if it is in or out now. The museum is also the location of the restored "Stuka" hanging from the ceiling. Lee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:50:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: What to do on a trip to Germany? -Reply Message-ID: The St. Lawrence seaway connects the Atlantic ocean to the City of Chicago, and for those of us who live near the Greatest of Lakes we have the zebra mussels, ocean lampreys and other alien beasts to prove it. Matt Z. ps. the Hun sub is still there but is getting shabby what with all those years in dry dock exposed to the lakeside storms. It's as Chicago as the Sears Tower, Watertower Place, or Chicago pizza. On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, Peter Mitchell wrote: > > << For a full U-boat, I believe they still have one at the Museum of > Science & Industry in Chicago...at least they did many years ago. > Mike Muth > >> > >still there > Robert K. > > How the heck did they get a U-boat to Chicago? :-o > > Pete. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:27:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: London Message-ID: ps. Alberto, I forgot to warn you not to eat the beef or any beef by-products while in the UK. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:24:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: London Message-ID: I'd be very surprised if no one mentioned the Imperial War Museum, formerly the 18th cent. insane asylum known as Bedlam. I was there in '66 before renovations and my son was there a few years ago. There are several WWI planes and apparently an actual size mock-up of trench life. Matt Z. On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Ernest Thomas wrote: > Alberto Rada wrote: > > > > Hi friends > > > > I have to go to London on a business trip on April 30th > > and will be working on the 30th and May1 in the morning, > > then its free time till Monday morning that I return to Miami > > > > Anyone there those days ? > > > > Any tip ? > > > > SALUDOS > > > > Alberto > > Go to the RAF mueseum in Hendon(North London). > E. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:13:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Future & Decals: Triumphs and Disasters Message-ID: It's OK, Doc, but I think you told us more than we wanted to know about body cavities and needles!!!! Matt On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Fernando E. Lamas, M.D. wrote: > At 02:46 PM 4/3/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Hey Doc, you're not a surgeon by any chance, are you? > > > >Just kidding. Post your postal address. I've got decals. > >Matt Z. > > > > Thanks, Matt. Someone is already sending a decal. This sure is a great > list. :-) > > Actually, I'm a radiologists and the surgery I do involves putting > needles, large and small, into patient's bodies for biopsies, drainages, etc. > > "There is no body cavity that can not be reached with a strong right arm > and a long enough 18 gauge needle." > > I have no problem making holes for rigging. But those flimsy decals... > that's for eye surgeons. > > Fernando Lamas > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:05:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: What to do on a trip to Germany? -Reply Message-ID: Actually what happened was the sub was stationed there during the War to shell the ore boats going to & from the steel mills along the shore. But instead of commencing hostilities, the crew came ashore under cover each night to reconnoiter. Once they got accustomed to the southside jazz spots they figured why ruin a good thing. The captain made a deal with hizzoner, da Mayor of da city of Chicago: we'll stay in the sub and file false reports to Berlin. We come ashore each night. After the war hizzoner gets the sub, and we get a heroes' welcome home. Done Deal! On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote: > > >How the heck did they get a U-boat to Chicago? :-o > > > > They barged it in. > > > I'm dissapointed that they used such a prosaic method -deck cargo on an > airship would have been much more stylish. > > a/ > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 21:38:31 +0200 From: Franco Poloni To: wwi Subject: couple of questions Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980406213831.00694d64@lo.itline.it> Hi list last week some one mentioned about the new Ilya Muromets from ICM: can someone tell me where to get it? Rosemont?Hannant's?Rollmodels? Since I'm starting to paint my Albatross dV, can some one tell me which color (in humbrol list) is closer to mauve, or the mixing ratio for this color? Thanks Franco ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:54:49 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: London Message-ID: <01BD616B.F31B75E0.panz-meador@vsti.com> the IWM had (at one time at least) also some nice WW1 naval stuff. this included the british (natch) motor torpedo boat (MTB) used to attack/sink the bolo dreadnaughts in krondtadt harbor. phillip -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Zivich [SMTP:mzivich@tardis.svsu.edu] Sent: Monday, April 06, 1998 2:22 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: London I'd be very surprised if no one mentioned the Imperial War Museum, formerly the 18th cent. insane asylum known as Bedlam. I was there in '66 before renovations and my son was there a few years ago. There are several WWI planes and apparently an actual size mock-up of trench life. Matt Z. On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Ernest Thomas wrote: > Alberto Rada wrote: > > > > Hi friends > > > > I have to go to London on a business trip on April 30th > > and will be working on the 30th and May1 in the morning, > > then its free time till Monday morning that I return to Miami > > > > Anyone there those days ? > > > > Any tip ? > > > > SALUDOS > > > > Alberto > > Go to the RAF mueseum in Hendon(North London). > E. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:10:01 -0700 From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton To: wwi Subject: Re: What to do on a trip to Germany? Message-ID: <352A41C9.6100@connectorsystems.co.nz> Thank you Hans-Juergen, and to all the others who made suggestions Going by the content of this site it appears that I am going to be extraordinarily busy in my time off. Cheers Aidrian hans.juergen.glueck@gis-online.de wrote: > > If you are looking for aviation-museums, you should visit the following > web-site which give you an survey about the museums, locations > and the aircraft they have. > > http://www.aviation.inhh.de > > ciao > > Hans-Juergen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Apr 98 15:16:35 -0600 From: reaton@dsccc.com To: Subject: Re: Vac-forms (a bit off-topic, but...) Message-ID: <9804068918.AA891893860@dsccc.com> Vacs take a little getting used to. But once you have done a few they are fun to do. Open up a new world of unusual kits. Comments below.... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Vac-forms (a bit off-topic, but...) Author: at inet1 Date: 4/6/98 8:37 AM After all these years, I'm just about to do my first vac-form (actually, a conversion) of a Whirlwind helicopter (that's the off-topicness over, then) my father-in-law flew during his time in the RAF. I'd appreciate som hints and tips on how to approach it: 1) Dumb question, but... what's the approved method of getting it off the sheet? Vertical cut through flat part around fuselage, or horizontal cut through the walls of the fuselage? ** I cut vertically around the piece just slightly away from the part. Score the plastic sheet and then carefully snap off the sheet. Plan on a full session of cutting, snapping, and sanding. Sanding is critical. Sand the part down to the point that the sheet width becomes tin and finally disappear. Test fit parts continuously so that you avoid sanding too much. 2) What's the best method of joining? Make a few of my own tabs and use liquid cement? Or something else? Reinforcing with sheet plastic strips helps align and strengthen the parts. I usually use regular styrene cement. Super glue to reinforce and gap fill. Careful sanding before the SG completely cures is the last step. On large projects reinforce the model with sheet bulkheads. 3) Any other pitfalls to watch out for/easy ways to success that anyone cares to share? 1. Take your time. 2. Sand carefully 3. Don't deform the thin plastic pieces with rough handling. 4. There have been several articles in FSM on these techniques. 5. Make the wings of wwi birds scale thin. enjoy Richard best, M. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Matt Bacon, Creative Development, Virgin Net, 20 Soho Square, London t:(+44) 0171 479 4406 f:479 4401 m:0411 165023 http://www.virgin.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 06:18:14 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Meikraft Message-ID: <352373F6.16F7@conted.gatech.edu> Here's something else from RMS that might be of intertest to some list members. Carlos Subject: Meikraft Models!!! Date: 6 Apr 1998 19:58:55 GMT From: maiesm72@aol.com (Maiesm72) Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Newsgroups: rec.models.scale I had to take a deep breath before posting this, but I can't stand it any more. For several years I helped Meikraft Models with their research, did their instruction sheets, named their company and listened to hundreds of hours of dribble from their owner. Three years ago he offered to produce our (MAI) Payan Pa.22 as an injection molded kit as partial payment for all of the work that I provided. Until now he has sent a few of each kit that he produced as payment. I am painfully aware that a great many people have paid for Meikraft products and never received anything for their money. In a very brief phone conversation last night the Meikraft owner asked me to submit to him the names, addresses and problem of anyone that I know of who feels that he has treated them poorly. While I have a few names of local guys and I know what they were supposed to receive, I know that there must be others out there. Aside from paid for products never received I would like to hear from the lady who supplied the research material for the Caproni Ca.3. He claims that he does not have your address. I have also heard from people who supplied him with masters, asked for their return and can't get them. I would like to hear from you, too. Mr.Meikrantz claims that he shall return my Payan masters and the decal masters for it within two weeks. By the time I receive the masters (if he actually sends them) I would like to have a list of people that he has wronged to present to him. If I do not receive the masters by the end of the month I'll be going down to Dallas with a search warrant and a court order to return my property and that of anyone who has provided solid documentation that he has property being held illegally. If you wish to keep this off the internet please respond to me e-mail address. Cancelled checks, correspondence, etc. will help.I can't promise that anything will come of it, but at least he won't be able to claim ignorance. Sorry to bring such negative vibes to the newsgroup, but it is time we put a stop to this. Tom Young ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:43:49 +0200 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Udet's SS DIII Message-ID: <01BD61B0.D41AB3A0@fei1-p6.telepac.pt> Guys, I started putting together Toko's SS DIII which I'll do in Udet's = Markings, but I have a few doubts which I'm counting on you guys to sort = out: 1 - I have the 3 views by Harry Woodman that appeared in Scale Models in = 1981 and although I can grasp that there was a former behind the pilot = seat I can't figure out if there was any sort of panel/bulkhead to = prevent slipstream to go inside the aircraft. Was there any? 2 - Lozenge on Udet's a/c. Was it 4 or 5 colour? and what about rib = tapes, were they plain coloured or cut from lozenge fabric? 3 - The article by H. Woodman states that the fabric on Udet's plane = was applied spanwise and not chordwise as suggested in the colour views = on Profile 86. Any opinions on this? 4 - Would anyone with the relevant Profile, and access to a scanner, be = willing to scan the 5 colour view of Udet's ship? Thanks much P.S. Barry, since you raised the subject of green SS, let me quote from this = article: "Fritz Beckhardt of Kesta 4b flew an early production DIII with a green = fuselage and a white swastika on the sides and top" HTH Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:13:46 +0200 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Vac-forms (a bit off-topic, but...) Message-ID: <01BD61B0.CF0FCEE0@fei1-p6.telepac.pt> -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bacon [SMTP:mattb@london.virgin.net] Sent: Monday, April 06, 1998 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Vac-forms (a bit off-topic, but...) After all these years, I'm just about to do my first vac-form (actually, a conversion) of a Whirlwind helicopter (that's the off-topicness over, then) my father-in-law flew during his time in the RAF. I'd appreciate som hints and tips on how to approach it: Matt, Airfix is re-issuing his 1/72 whirlwind which I remember as being quite = good. (and it's injected). And, since we are here, anybody out there know what are the differences = between the Whirlwind and a Sikorsky UH-19A. We had one of these in = Portugal and I would love to try to convert the Airfix kit (if this is = possible). I'd love to hear about it (off list would be better, of course) Thanks Pedro Guys don't point your finger at me.... he started it.... ;-)) Um abraco Pedro=00=00 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:04:17 -0400 From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: What to do on a trip to Germany? -Reply Message-ID: <199804062304.TAA21311@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 09:52 AM 4/6/98 -0400, GRBroman wrote: Thanks Glen. Shwows what happens when I go on memory. Now that you mention it, I'm sure I saw a piece about the capture on the History Channel or Discovery. Mike Muth > I'm going on memory here, but I thought that it was "caught" > somewhere near the mouth of the St. Lawrence River???? > Mike Muth >> > > >The U-505 ws the first enemy warship boarded at sea and captured by the US >Navy since the war of 1812 ( In the mid-Atlantic somewhere). It was towed in >great secrecy to the Bahama's and then on to the US. Word of the capture >remained secret for many years and the crew involved in the capture did not >receive recognition until either very late or after the end of the war with >Germany. The Commander of the Task Force retired as an Admiral ( Galloway?) >and wrote several books, including one that covered the capture of U-505. He >also wrote the "Cap'n and Fatso" series. Those of you who were kids 30 plus >years ago may remember them..... :) Glen > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:04:18 -0400 From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: What to do on a trip to Germany? -Reply Message-ID: <199804062304.TAA21322@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 03:20 PM 4/6/98 -0400, Matthew Zivich wrote: >ps. the Hun sub is still there but is getting shabby what with all those >years in dry dock exposed to the lakeside storms. It's as Chicago as >the Sears Tower, Watertower Place, or Chicago pizza. Or, regretfully, the Cubs. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:11:28 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Udet's SS DIII Message-ID: <01BD6187.6C7925C0.panz-meador@vsti.com> pedro: i've got the profile scanned into JPG format; i'll send it off list. thanks for the info regarding fritz beckhardt's SSW; wasn't sure about a source reference, and the photo in "eisernes kreuz und balkan kreuz" is pretty lousy... HTH, phillip -----Original Message----- From: Pedro e Francisca Soares [SMTP:pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt] Sent: Monday, April 06, 1998 6:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Udet's SS DIII Guys, I started putting together Toko's SS DIII which I'll do in Udet's = Markings, but I have a few doubts which I'm counting on you guys to sort = out: 1 - I have the 3 views by Harry Woodman that appeared in Scale Models in = 1981 and although I can grasp that there was a former behind the pilot = seat I can't figure out if there was any sort of panel/bulkhead to = prevent slipstream to go inside the aircraft. Was there any? 2 - Lozenge on Udet's a/c. Was it 4 or 5 colour? and what about rib = tapes, were they plain coloured or cut from lozenge fabric? 3 - The article by H. Woodman states that the fabric on Udet's plane = was applied spanwise and not chordwise as suggested in the colour views = on Profile 86. Any opinions on this? 4 - Would anyone with the relevant Profile, and access to a scanner, be = willing to scan the 5 colour view of Udet's ship? Thanks much P.S. Barry, since you raised the subject of green SS, let me quote from this = article: "Fritz Beckhardt of Kesta 4b flew an early production DIII with a green = fuselage and a white swastika on the sides and top" HTH Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 970 *********************