WWI Digest 956

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: New Link 
	by reaton@dsccc.com
  2) Re: Thanks on the New Link
	by "Charles Duckworth" <cnlduckwor@ninenet.com>
  3) Re: Lozenge
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
  4) Re: Pfalz D.XII Colors, curse those illustrators!
	by Matthew Zivich <mzivich@tardis.svsu.edu>
  5) Dorian's D-word Dilemma (was Aerodrome Modeller, etc)
	by Patrick Padovan <ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us>
  6) off for a week
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
  7) Re: Pfalz D.XII Colors, curse those illustrators!
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
  8) Re: New Link
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
  9) sopwith hobbies
	by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
 10) Re: Re[2]: Lozenge
	by BStett3770 <BStett3770@aol.com>
 11) Re: Message for Maciej
	by mbittner@juno.com
 12) Re: Pfalz D.XII Colors, curse those illustrators!
	by Matthew Zivich <mzivich@tardis.svsu.edu>
 13) Re: Dorian's D-word Dilemma (was Aerodrome Modeller, etc)
	by Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
 14) Re: Pfalz D.XII Colors
	by "Bill Ciciora" <wpc@wwa.com>
 15) Re: Pfalz D.XII Colors, curse those illustrators!
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
 16) Re: Pfalz D.XII Colors, curse those illustrators!
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
 17) maiming Jim
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
 18) Re: maiming Jim
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
 19) Re: maiming Jim
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
 20) Re: maiming Jim
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
 21) Re: maiming Jim
	by Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 10:50:20 -0600
From: reaton@dsccc.com
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: New Link 
Message-ID: <9803278910.AA891017453@dsccc.com>


     I will second that. They have some terrific scans. Anyone been 
     fortunate enough to visit musee de l'air et de l'espace?
     
     Richard


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: New Link 
Author:  <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu> at inettest
Date:    3/27/98 11:07 AM


May I suggest adding the following URL to the links page for lovers of 
French pre- and WW1 airplanes?
     
http://www.mae.org/hall-g.htm
     
Regads
     



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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:35:43 -0600
From: "Charles Duckworth" <cnlduckwor@ninenet.com>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: Thanks on the New Link
Message-ID: <199803271734.LAA08339@mail.primary.net>

Graham - THANKS, was stopped on completing my 1911 Deperdussin (Inpact) due
to lack of photos around the back of the cockpit - their photo is just what
I needed!  Great site,  thanks for passing along.  Charlie

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> From: Graham Nash <graham.nash@citicorp.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: New Link
> Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 10:07 AM
> 
> May I suggest adding the following URL to the links page for lovers of
> French pre- and WW1 airplanes?
> 
> http://www.mae.org/hall-g.htm
> 
> Regads

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:48:25 -0600
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Lozenge
Message-ID: <351BE669.321C@bellsouth.net>

reaton@dsccc.com wrote:
> 
> Sounds like a good way to approach this. I usually find working from the
> inner struts/cabanes (to align and attach). That allows you to dry fit the
> outer struts and adjust prior to gluing. A lot of folks build jigs to take
> the guess work out of the process.
> 
> Richard
> 
> ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
> Subject: Re: Lozenge
> Author:  <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu> at inettest
> Date:    3/27/98 9:12 AM
> 
> Paul Schwartzkopf wrote:
> >
> > Okay, all the talk lately has convinced me to try a lozenge winged subject
> > in the near future, and after picking up the Toko kits yesterday, that
> > makes it "more near" future.
> >
> > I have read enough info on applying the decals, but the one question I
> > have is the final wing assembly after decaling.  I presume to "open up"
> > the decals over the strut mounting holes, carefully add a couple of
> > well-aligned struts and top wing, and then apply a modest amount of CA to
> > the strut/wing joints.  Then add the remaining struts, the key being to
> > get the wings alingned first with a minimum number of struts.
> >
> > Any comments or other techniques?
> >
> > Paul A. Schwartzkopf
> 
> Paul,
> 
> That's about how I do it.
> All I can add is don't expect to do the lozenge or the rib tapes in one
> sitting. I find it usually take about 3 or 4 sittings to get the lozenge
> applied and all the bubbles smoothed out. Then the rib tapes take
> another 2 or 3 sittings. Just take your time.
> Ernest.
> 
BUt that can vary. I found on the DML D-VII that it was easier to start
with the perfectly matched pe struts and then build that six piece
cabane structure onto the model.

Ernest

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:10:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Zivich <mzivich@tardis.svsu.edu>
To: wwi
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: Pfalz D.XII Colors, curse those illustrators!
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.980327130401.23696C-100000@tardis.svsu.edu>

Perhaps Charles has an ax to grind with some particular illustrators to 
make the comment he has made.  But I'm sure there are those among you who 
have disdain for some box art and much high praise for others.

Matt Z
On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Mary-Ann/Michael wrote:

> At 06:35 PM 3/26/98 -0500, Charles Hart wrote:
> >
> >     This thread has struck me as more than a little curious, since when
> >should we regard model box paintings as a marginally credible reference for
> >a/c markings ???
> Charles
>         Just a thought...I assume that the artist does some research before
> doing the painting.  Steve Ferris(I think) gave a nice speech to the local
> OTF chapter 3 years ago about all the research he does before doing a
> painting. Anyway, I agree that a lot of this hobby is in trying to verify /
> clarify things. I usually start off assuming whoever did something knows
> more than me...usually turns out to be true.
> Mike Muth
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:32:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Patrick Padovan <ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Dorian's D-word Dilemma (was Aerodrome Modeller, etc)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.980327102854.8243B-100000@timber20.timberland.lib.wa.us>

Regarding the "D" word issue: what's wrong with simply, "Documents,"
or "Documentation?"
                                                  Dubiously, Datrick                                                          
                              
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Patrick Padovan
Interlibrary Loan Associate    
             
Timberland Regional Library     Voice:   360-943-5001   
415 Airdustrial Way SW            FAX:   360-586-6838
Olympia, WA  98501-5799        e-mail:   ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us
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On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, DavidL1217 wrote:

> Need a "D" word?
> 
> How about Didactia (Okay, I am pushing it)
> 


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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:10:11 -0000
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: "AAA - WW1 Group" <wwi>
Subject: off for a week
Message-ID: <199803271902.TAA26435@beryl.sol.co.uk>

Off to Lake District for a week's holidays - apologies for no replies if
anybody tries to send anything to me in interim. 
Good modelling - see y'all soon.
Sandy
PS: intending to visit a little bookshop where I believe they may have
Jones/Raleigh "War in the Air" at a tenner a volume. Hope, hope, hope.


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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:40:31 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Pfalz D.XII Colors, curse those illustrators!
Message-ID: <10b56c5e.351c00b2@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-03-27 13:11:21 EST, you write:

<<  But I'm sure there are those among you who 
 have disdain for some box art and much high praise for others.
  >>
Sometimes an illustrator's work transcends accuracy- not often but sometime.Jo
Kotula's stuff for Aurora and his Model Airplane News covers usually got the
airplane right plus his sense of other-wordly drama somehow made sense. For a
MAN cover in, I believe, '64, he painted a Taube against a billious green sky-
horrible color! But the picture worked- I still have that cover! AND the Taube
itself was right on the money.(side note:for years Japanese box art has been
getting better and better- but who emerged from the dark regions to paint that
horrible HE-219 on the Tamiya kit box?)
I'd better stop now before I go off on a tirade about "art" vs
"illustration".I'll just say I'd rather be a good illustrator than a bad
artist.(see Tom Wolfe's little essay The Painted Word for a grand puncturing
of the "intellectuallism" of the modern art world- intellect without thought)
Robert K.

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:40:30 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: New Link
Message-ID: <961fc7de.351c00b1@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-03-27 11:06:02 EST, you write:

<< May I suggest adding the following URL to the links page for lovers of
 French pre- and WW1 airplanes?
 
 http://www.mae.org/hall-g.htm >>
Thanks- great site. I found this some time ago but couldn't remember how to
get back- now I've got it on my "favorite places" list. That Zeppelin gondola
is tempting!
Robert K.

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:44:36 -0600
From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi>
Subject: sopwith hobbies
Message-ID: <01BD5986.7BD52D60.panz-meador@vsti.com>

as a 'starter over' modeling wise, i've read references to sopwith hobbies 
in the list over the last several months.  recently, i sent them $3 for a 
catalog; it arrived yesterday and WOW!

if there's a list member who's not gotten this catalog, then RUN don't walk 
to the post office and get your own catalog!  their address is:
		sopwith hobbies
		p.o. box 560442
		miami, FL  33256-0442
		(305) 665-5730 (voice) <<best 4-9 p.m. M-F, or 10 a.m.-7 p.m. Sat., 
eastern time zone>>
		(305) 662-1647 (fax)
		amex, optima, visa, m/c accepted

these guys have just about everything, with the exception of drool-proof, 
laminated, wipe-to-clean pages.

phillip


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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:55:36 EST
From: BStett3770 <BStett3770@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Lozenge
Message-ID: <8112e185.351c124a@aol.com>

Hi

right you are, the jigs work great. I make jigs out of balsa. Got the idea
from the jigs that come with the 1/72 Airfix Sopwith Pup kit.

Keep Modeling
Barry
Roosemont Hobby

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:25:51 -0600
From: mbittner@juno.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Message for Maciej
Message-ID: <19980327.162936.8942.0.mbittner@juno.com>

On Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:44:45 -0500 "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador"
<panz-meador@vsti.com> writes:

>MATT:  have you been building an AN-72 "Coaler" behind the list's 
>collective back?????  

Nope, nothing that big. ;-)


Matt Bittner

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:42:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Zivich <mzivich@tardis.svsu.edu>
To: wwi
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: Pfalz D.XII Colors, curse those illustrators!
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.980327173923.8787A-100000@tardis.svsu.edu>



On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, KarrArt wrote:

> In a message dated 98-03-27 13:11:21 EST, you write:
> How did art ever enter into this conversation?  I thought we were 
talking about illustrators?

Matt Z.

> I'd better stop now before I go off on a tirade about "art" vs
> "illustration".I'll just say I'd rather be a good illustrator than a bad
> artist.(see Tom Wolfe's little essay The Painted Word for a grand puncturing
> of the "intellectuallism" of the modern art world- intellect without thought)
> Robert K.
> 

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:24:16 -0800
From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi>
Subject: Re: Dorian's D-word Dilemma (was Aerodrome Modeller, etc)
Message-ID: <02241606565593@KAIEN.COM>


Doh ! ! !! !  ! !!  ! ! ! ! ! !

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> From: Patrick Padovan <ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: Dorian's D-word Dilemma (was Aerodrome Modeller, etc)
> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:29:09 -0500
> 
> Regarding the "D" word issue: what's wrong with simply, "Documents,"
> or "Documentation?"
>                                                   Dubiously, Datrick      
                                                   
>                               
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Patrick Padovan
> Interlibrary Loan Associate    
>              
> Timberland Regional Library     Voice:   360-943-5001   
> 415 Airdustrial Way SW            FAX:   360-586-6838
> Olympia, WA  98501-5799        e-mail:   ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------  

> 
> On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, DavidL1217 wrote:
> 
> > Need a "D" word?
> > 
> > How about Didactia (Okay, I am pushing it)
> > 
> 


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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:34:59 -0600
From: "Bill Ciciora" <wpc@wwa.com>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: Pfalz D.XII Colors
Message-ID: <m0yImOk-000VYdC@hirame.wwa.com>

Charles asks:

>> since when should we regard model box paintings as a marginally credible
reference for a/c markings ??? <<

Maybe not as a reference in the strict historical sense, but as an idea for
an aircraft that might have been. Must every model we build be based on a
photographed aircraft? Sorta cuts down on the number of choices -- and fun.



Bill Ciciora

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:17:33 -0600
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Pfalz D.XII Colors, curse those illustrators!
Message-ID: <351C79DD.4AD3@bellsouth.net>

Matthew Zivich wrote:
> 
> Perhaps Charles has an ax to grind with some particular illustrators to
> make the comment he has made.  But I'm sure there are those among you who
> have disdain for some box art and much high praise for others.
> 
> Matt Z
> On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Mary-Ann/Michael wrote:
> 
> > At 06:35 PM 3/26/98 -0500, Charles Hart wrote:
> > >
> > >     This thread has struck me as more than a little curious, since when
> > >should we regard model box paintings as a marginally credible reference for
> > >a/c markings ???
> > Charles
> >         Just a thought...I assume that the artist does some research before
> > doing the painting.  Steve Ferris(I think) gave a nice speech to the local
> > OTF chapter 3 years ago about all the research he does before doing a
> > painting. Anyway, I agree that a lot of this hobby is in trying to verify /
> > clarify things. I usually start off assuming whoever did something knows
> > more than me...usually turns out to be true.
> > Mike Muth
> >
> >
I prefer a photo of the finished model on the box top.

Ernest

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:58:46 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Pfalz D.XII Colors, curse those illustrators!
Message-ID: <f0d52046.351c8388@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-03-27 23:21:02 EST, you write:

<< I prefer a photo of the finished model on the box top.
 
 Ernest >>
Geez, ol' buddy- thanks alot. Although it IS nice to have a photo of the
finished model somewhere on the box!
Robert K.

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:58:47 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: maiming Jim
Message-ID: <e8e42fd6.351c8389@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-03-26 17:21:50 EST, you write:

<< You will, but be warned, the critics of my scratchbuilding skills have
 much evidence to support them. Frankly i am consumed with jealousy over
 Jims pictures first seen this morning, so think that standard, then step
 back - a long way :-(
 
 Shane >>
Yes- we must hunt down Jim and chop off his fingers! And he must tell us how
he did the fabric fuselage sock and other bits!
Robert K.

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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:21:48 -0600
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: maiming Jim
Message-ID: <351C96FC.662A@bellsouth.net>

KarrArt wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 98-03-26 17:21:50 EST, you write:
> 
> << You will, but be warned, the critics of my scratchbuilding skills have
>  much evidence to support them. Frankly i am consumed with jealousy over
>  Jims pictures first seen this morning, so think that standard, then step
>  back - a long way :-(
> 
>  Shane >>
> Yes- we must hunt down Jim and chop off his fingers! And he must tell us how
> he did the fabric fuselage sock and other bits!
> Robert K.

Robert, 
Must we maim him? He would probably tell us how to make the sock if we
asked real nice. 
Remember; Hippocracy is the lubricant of a peaceful society.

Ernest
aka; Sage of the List

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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 01:50:59 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: maiming Jim
Message-ID: <1e396175.351c9dd6@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-03-28 01:25:24 EST, you write:

<< Ernest
 aka; Sage of the List
  >>
can we call you Mr. Spicy from now on?Ok- who wants to be Basil?
Robert K.

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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 01:23:14 -0600
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: maiming Jim
Message-ID: <351CA562.10A3@bellsouth.net>

KarrArt wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 98-03-28 01:25:24 EST, you write:
> 
> << Ernest
>  aka; Sage of the List
>   >>
> can we call you Mr. Spicy from now on?Ok- who wants to be Basil?
> Robert K.

Sprinkle me generously over all your favorite dishes!
E.

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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 02:59:55 -0800
From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi>
Subject: Re: maiming Jim
Message-ID: <10595595466257@KAIEN.COM>


Of course if Ernest has any daughters they become the Spice Girls

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> From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: Re: maiming Jim
> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 02:28:32 -0500
> 
> KarrArt wrote:
> > 
> > In a message dated 98-03-28 01:25:24 EST, you write:
> > 
> > << Ernest
> >  aka; Sage of the List
> >   >>
> > can we call you Mr. Spicy from now on?Ok- who wants to be Basil?
> > Robert K.
> 
> Sprinkle me generously over all your favorite dishes!
> E.


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