WWI Digest 948 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Exhibition Judges by Ernest Thomas 2) Re: Tom's 1/48th by Ernest Thomas 3) Re: Tom's 1/48th by Bob Pearson 4) Re: The Other RNAS Tripes by Bob Pearson 5) Re: The Other RNAS Tripes by Bob Pearson 6) Caudron R 11 by Suvoroff 7) Re: Caudron R 11 by Charles Hart 8) Re: Tom's 1/48th by mbittner@juno.com 9) Decal Silvering by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) 10) Renwal Albatros D.V aeroskin & box/Revell Nie. 17 box by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 11) Getting kids started (was Re: Exhibition Judges) by Pedro e Francisca Soares 12) Re: Getting kids started (was Re: Exhibition Judges) by Ernest Thomas 13) Re: Tom's 1/48th by Mick Fauchon 14) Re: Tom's 1/48th by Mick Fauchon 15) Re: Tom's 1/48th by Mick Fauchon 16) Re: Renwal Albatros D.V aeroskin & box/Revell Nie. 17 box by Ernest Thomas 17) Re: Getting kids started (was Re: Exhibition Judges) by KarrArt 18) Re: OTF seminar by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 19) Re: scary offspring by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 20) Re: ACE Publications - Aces of WWI by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 21) Re: Decal Silvering by Joey Valenciano 22) Re: Decal Silvering by "Tom Werner Hansen" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 01:45:45 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Exhibition Judges Message-ID: <3514C1A9.1406@bellsouth.net> D. Anderson wrote: > > At 03:15 AM 21/03/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >While some may wish to dispute various points in these rules, over all, > >they're well reasoned and fairly objective. These rules help prevent > >situations where the gold medal goes to a model because of a perceived > >difficulty(rigging), or the biggest model, or the most epic diorama, > >when these models may not be the highest quality workmanship in the > >competition. TYL. > > > >Ernest > > > > > > I have to break in here and recount a story that goes to illustrate just > how bad a contest can be. It was about 14 years ago, and the local IPMS > chapter was holding its annual contest in a shopping mall. One fellow had > brought along his most recent project, the Nichimo 1/200 Yamato. However, > he hadn't yet finished it, not by a long way. Most of the details, such as > the Yamato's vast anti-aircraft weaponry, had not yet been installed, and > the paint job (applied with a brush!) was also in the early stages, and > large areas of the model were still bare plastic. I think the guy had > brought this model more to show his fellow modellers how he was coming > along than to really enter it. But entered it was. And when it came time to > judge best-of-show, the chief judge chuckled and said to the assembled > gathering (which included a large number of mildly interested shoppers): > "well, I don't think there was much doubt which model is best-of-show here" > and proceeded to award the UNFINISHED model of the Yamato best-of-show! Agh! > > As far as I could see then, this award was based purely on the size of the > model (a 1/200 scale Yamato is BIG). Since then, I've had very little to do > with the local club, which is no longer even IPMS-affiliated, and have had > a dim opinion of model contests. > > Dane > > ps. FWIW, my 1/48 Zero won 2nd in aircraft, and I had no illusions about it > being best-of-show material, so I'm not sore for that. But Jesus! There > must have been at least one FINISHED model there that could have qualified. Dane, Funny you should bring up that story. I was just reading the March FSM for the 3rd or 4th time when I read Bob Hayden's editorial on the joy of the activity of modeling over the finished results. His closing comment reads,"And while you can't win a trophy at a contest with an un-finished model, 'half-finished' may mean simply that the fun's not over." ttyl Ernest. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 01:47:43 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Tom's 1/48th Message-ID: <3514C21F.395C@bellsouth.net> Mick Fauchon wrote: > > Bob, > > > Dare I mention I just got up from my nap and checked my mail out of habit > > :-) > > No, you may *not* dare. Some of us have had to work all day! 80( > Jeez! 80) > > Mick. > > -- -- > Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au > Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 > University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 > > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > M M > M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M > M M > M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M > M M > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM And some of us had to work with idiots. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 02:32:33 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Tom's 1/48th Message-ID: <10323354051668@KAIEN.COM> Ain't it the truth ? :-) Bob P. ---------- > From: KarrArt > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Tom's 1/48th > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 02:04:51 -0500 > > In a message dated 98-03-22 00:45:32 EST, you write: > > << nap >> > Ahhh......the hobby of kings > Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 02:45:09 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: The Other RNAS Tripes Message-ID: <10450901651675@KAIEN.COM> Brian, Since I have been challenged here I may as well reply :-) The three RNAS Nieuport Triplanes were N521-522 and N532 The RNAS Serials book has a photo of N521 (ex N.1946) which went to 11(N) in March 1917. N522 was cancelled while N532 supposedly went to both 11(N) and 10(N), but confirmation is lacking. Windsock 7/2 also has this photo as well as the RFC Triplane A6686. WW1 Aero #112 has an article on the type in which it is speculated that the RFC Triplane A6686 later went to the RNAS and was reserialed as N532 - but this is emphathized as speculation. Note that N521 had a fully faired fuselage a'la Ni17bis et al. If you can recieve email enclosures I can send a scan of the N521 photo. BTW did you get my reply the other day? Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: The Other RNAS Tripes > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 01:01:30 -0500 > > > Well, after spending most of the afternoon working (starting the master > figure for the 1/285 Salmson 2, I wrapped up the Hannover Cl.III last > week), I decided for a change of pace for the evening and wound up doing > a pair of conversions, turning Nieuport 11s into Nieuport Triplanes. > Used putty to make the engine cowlings fully round; moved the lower > wings forward, and then trimmed down the chord on Sopwith Triplane wings > (which were the right length) for the upper wings. > But now for the questions: > (I bet if anyone here knows the answers its Bob Pearson...) > According the FMP's French A/C book, the RNAS evaluated two of the > N.Tripes. One was tested by 11 Naval and the other may have gone to 11 > Naval first and then on to 10 Naval. > The only photos in the book though of British machines was another one > tested by the RFC. This has the British serial number painted on the > tail but appears to have French roundels. > Are there any clues as to markings used by the RNAS? French or > British roundels? Flight or personal markings? > Also, the book gives the dates each machine was struck from the roles. > Any clue when they arrived? > And a general question that's puzzled me for some time: when a > frontline squadron evaluated prototype planes, did they ever take them > out on combat patrols after getting familiar with them? > > Brian RW > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 02:53:48 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: The Other RNAS Tripes Message-ID: <10534875351678@KAIEN.COM> Sorry, forgot these three questions. > Are there any clues as to markings used by the RNAS? French or > British roundels? Flight or personal markings? N521 on the fuselage as per RFC/RNAS practice. French N.1946 on rudder. Appears to be French roundels on bottom of upper wing. No personnel or Flight markings > Also, the book gives the dates each machine was struck from the roles. > Any clue when they arrived? N521 at11(N) by March 5 1917, returned to depot by June 6 and deleted on 27 June 1917 N522 cancelled N532 supposedly at 11(N) and 10(N) buyut not confirmed, at Martlesham Heath by April 1917, Dunkerque 11 May 1917, deleted by February 1918 (ex A6686 ?) > And a general question that's puzzled me for some time: when a > frontline squadron evaluated prototype planes, did they ever take them > out on combat patrols after getting familiar with them? Don't know about these, but the prototype DH2, 4732, was lost over the lines on 8 August 1915 and Capt. RM PIke was KIA in combat with a two-seater of M.FFA.2. Thus a complete DH2 was in German hands prior to squadron issue to the RFC. Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 09:07:56 EST From: Suvoroff To: wwi Subject: Caudron R 11 Message-ID: <38a00f61.35151b3e@aol.com> I am starting to scratchbuild one of these things in 1/144th scale, but for references all I have is the FMP French book and the old Munson book. The FMP drawings are good but lack detail. Does anybody know of any sources for this aircraft? I especially need to know more about the engine nacelles and crew positions, rigging, and colour schemes. However, in this scale I am doing without cockpit interior detail, so I don't need any help there. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 08:17:11 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Caudron R 11 Message-ID: > I am starting to scratchbuild one of these things in 1/144th scale, but >for references all I have is the FMP French book and the old Munson book. The >FMP drawings are good but lack detail. Does anybody know of any sources for >this aircraft? I especially need to know more about the engine nacelles and >crew positions, rigging, and colour schemes. However, in this scale I am >doing without cockpit interior detail, so I don't need any help there. > >Yours, >James D. Gray About the only other source of information on this aircraft is found in either volume 4 or 5 of the Fighters of WW I series by J.M. Bruce, published back in the early 1970's. There is a very small scale drawing in this book. The FMP volume is the most accessible information currently available. Rimell has, so far, ignored this one. Contact me off line if you would like copies of the Bruce descriptions. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:13:26 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Tom's 1/48th Message-ID: <19980322.101906.11462.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:17:50 -0500 Mick Fauchon writes: > Damn! I shoulda got in earlier. I could have used the engines. >The message has only been on my screen a matter of seconds! > Ya gotta be quick! 80) Yep, Bob was quick. I wonder if that's a problem for him? ;-) Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 13:40:22 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) To: wwi Subject: Decal Silvering Message-ID: To The List: Just finished all the lozenge and rib taping on my LVG C.VI - three weeks of off and on work - looks great (to me) - holy cow! Now, I've just applied national insignia and ID numbers to the fuselage and I get #@$%&! decal silvering. I can't believe it! They are Pegasus kit decals layed on a smooth Future surface, softened with the new Aeromaster decal setting solution. How do I avoid silvering on the next project - it's driving me crazy? Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:01:36 -0800 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Renwal Albatros D.V aeroskin & box/Revell Nie. 17 box Message-ID: <35155200.7B59@ricochet.net> I picked up one of these kits for a dollar. If anyone wants the beat-up box or aeroskin, let me know within a few days. I've also got a Revell Nie. 17 box. (I don't expect much interest in this stuff, but one never knows...) Cheers, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:24:46 +0100 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: "'ww1 modeling list'" Subject: Getting kids started (was Re: Exhibition Judges) Message-ID: <01BD55D5.01848920@fei1-p13.telepac.pt> Bob wrote: What I did a few years ago when my favourite shop closed and their = remaining models went almost by the pound, was give a pile away to the = neighbourhood kids. For a couple of weeks there were broken Mustangs, Lightnings, you = name it around the block > Regards, Bob Pearson I was happy to learn that Airfix will be re-issuing this year some = oldies like the figure kits of Henry the VIII and Anne Boleyn. I'm gonna = buy the pair to offer to my oldest daughter who is 12 so that she can = try to put them together. She was quite impressed with the figure of old = Henry with all his wifes at Mme. Toussauds wax museum last year, and she = has asked me to get her something to build provided it's not an = aircraft, which she doesn't care a bit about (no one is perfect, not = even my daughters ;-). So this figure kits seem to be the perfect match = for her. Just my 20 centavos And Airfix will also be re-releasing THE DH 88 COMET RACER, = YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!!!!!! Um abraco Pedro Sorry for being so off topic.... ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:25:59 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Getting kids started (was Re: Exhibition Judges) Message-ID: <3515AC17.5942@bellsouth.net> Pedro e Francisca Soares wrote: > > Bob wrote: > > What I did a few years ago when my favourite shop closed and their = > remaining > models went almost by the pound, was give a pile away to the = > neighbourhood > kids. For a couple of weeks there were broken Mustangs, Lightnings, you = > name > it around the block > > > > Regards, > Bob Pearson > > I was happy to learn that Airfix will be re-issuing this year some = > oldies like the figure kits of Henry the VIII and Anne Boleyn. I'm gonna = > buy the pair to offer to my oldest daughter who is 12 so that she can = > try to put them together. She was quite impressed with the figure of old = > Henry with all his wifes at Mme. Toussauds wax museum last year, and she = > has asked me to get her something to build provided it's not an = > aircraft, which she doesn't care a bit about (no one is perfect, not = > even my daughters ;-). So this figure kits seem to be the perfect match = > for her. > > Just my 20 centavos > > And Airfix will also be re-releasing THE DH 88 COMET RACER, = > YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!!!!!! > > Um abraco > > Pedro > > Sorry for being so off topic.... ;-) Pedro, Do you know if the Joan of Arc figure will be re-released as well? I've been looking for that one. Maybe they'll re-do that whole series. I already have Richard I. But Henry VIII would be neat. I think there was a pretty decent roman as well. Ernest Sorry for the off-topic guys. But Pedro started it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:49:56 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Tom's 1/48th Message-ID: Ernest, > > No, you may *not* dare. Some of us have had to work all day! 80( > > Jeez! 80) > And some of us had to work with idiots. Hey! Sounds almost like we works at the same place! 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:58:49 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Tom's 1/48th Message-ID: Bob & Robert, > > Ahhh......the hobby of kings > Ain't it the truth ? :-) Aaahhh!....This is music to my ears! 80) Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:01:00 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Tom's 1/48th Message-ID: Matt, > Yep, Bob was quick. I wonder if that's a problem for him? ;-) It's a problem for some of us, mate! 80) Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:09:06 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Renwal Albatros D.V aeroskin & box/Revell Nie. 17 box Message-ID: <3515B632.4F41@bellsouth.net> Michelle and Rory Goodwin wrote: > > I picked up one of these kits for a dollar. If anyone wants the beat-up > box or aeroskin, let me know within a few days. I've also got a Revell > Nie. 17 box. (I don't expect much interest in this stuff, but one never > knows...) > > Cheers, > > Riordan Rio, So is this the whole D-V kit, or just the box and aeroskin? If it's the whole kit, and some 'builder' doesn't want it, I'll take it. I might give it a try 'someday'. Ernest ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:43:43 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Getting kids started (was Re: Exhibition Judges) Message-ID: <18a86fea.3515be51@aol.com> In a message dated 98-03-22 19:29:45 EST, you write: << Henry VIII >> The offspring of a Roland Whale and Grumman Wildcat? Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:12:06 -0500 From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: OTF seminar Message-ID: <199803230212.VAA27920@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 06:08 PM 3/21/98 -0500, Bob Pearson wrote: >>I had trouble getting my reservation. The girl taking mine couldn't find our >group number. Has anyone else had this trouble? She eventually got it >straight, but it was disconcerting to say the least. I got my reservations about 2-3 weeks ago and didn't have any problems....famous last words, better wait until I get there to be sure! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:41:12 -0500 From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: scary offspring Message-ID: <199803230241.VAA27988@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 10:04 PM 3/21/98 -0500, KarrArt wrote: nb: Roland Whale and Wildcat(What would the offspring of that union look > like???? >> >Alfred Hitchcock?Herman Goering? Roseanne?Helmut Kohl?Winston Churchill?Some >modelers? Not bad...not bad!!!! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:41:16 -0500 From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: ACE Publications - Aces of WWI Message-ID: <199803230241.VAA27998@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 10:29 AM 3/18/98 -0500, John Berlien wrote: >Hi guys. When I was browsing the Squadron Shop I stumbed on a book by ACE >Publications, called something like "Aces of WWI" and it had quite a few color >profiles and nice photos of the aces planes. But the book was in a foreign >language, maybe Czech or something like that Jack I think it is written inPolish, although I don't have to book. I think the same company has put out other books, mostly WWII stuff. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:12:20 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Decal Silvering Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980323081220.006f95bc@philonline.com.ph> Hi Kevin, >Now, I've just applied national insignia and ID numbers to the fuselage and >I get #@$%&! decal silvering. I can't believe it! They are Pegasus kit >decals layed on a smooth Future surface, softened with the new Aeromaster >decal setting solution. How do I avoid silvering on the next project - it's >driving me crazy? I think silvering would occur if: 1) There are air bubbles between decal and model a) model surface not smooth b) decal underside not smooth 2) Clear film of decal in not 100% clear. For case #2, there is no solution other than to trim away the clear area. For case #1a, you say that you've glossed the surface with Future, how smooth is it? For case #1b, I've seen this happen with old decals where some of the fibers of the decal paper lifted off with the decal. If the decal is thick, you could try scraping some of the stuff off but that's risky and you lose your decal glue. What I've done before when I was an armour modeler (can't tell if this solution is a good one for 1/72 a/c) was to dip the whole decal (already freed from the paper) into clear flat (I used Pactra then), and apply this mess onto the kit surface. The decal looked painted on when it dried. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:27:03 +0100 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Re: Decal Silvering Message-ID: <199803230614.HAA04460@d1o211.telia.com> The only thing that really helps in a case like this is cutting very close to the lettering, Use an extremely sharp point to cut with, I have a scalpel blade that is not used for anything else. Where cutting is impossible, for instance inside small number, paint the underlying colour with a very fine brush while the decal is still flat, and you can all the details you can see with the naked eye. If you're mad enough to look through a magnifying glass, you, may see the imperfections. The only problem with the cutting is that you lose the tapered edge of the decal, but a coat or to of varnish usually hides this. ---------- > From: Kevin & Kimberley Barrett > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Decal Silvering > Date: 22. mars 1998 18:41 > > To The List: > > Just finished all the lozenge and rib taping on my LVG C.VI - three weeks > of off and on work - looks great (to me) - holy cow! > > Now, I've just applied national insignia and ID numbers to the fuselage and > I get #@$%&! decal silvering. I can't believe it! They are Pegasus kit > decals layed on a smooth Future surface, softened with the new Aeromaster > decal setting solution. How do I avoid silvering on the next project - it's > driving me crazy? > > Kevin Barrett. > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 948 *********************