WWI Digest 944

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: HP 0/400 revisited
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
  2) Hit Kit availability
	by Charles Stephanian <csteph@itsa.ucsf.edu>
  3) Re: Glencoe Spad - American Aces
	by Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
  4) Re: Toko S.S.
	by Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
  5) Re: HP 0/400 revisited
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
  6) Re: Testors Nie 17 Color
	by The Shannons <Shingend@ix.netcom.com>
  7) RE: HP 0/400 revisited
	by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
  8) RE: american  quentin roosevelt
	by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
  9) RE: american  quentin roosevelt
	by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
 10) Eduard Pfalz D.III
	by The Shannons <Shingend@ix.netcom.com>
 11) Re: Eduard Pfalz D.III
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
 12) Re: Testors Nie 17 Color
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
 13) Re: american  quentin roosevelt
	by Patrick Padovan <ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us>
 14) Re[2]: Toko S.S. 
	by reaton@dsccc.com
 15) Re: Testors Nie 17 Color/ Aluminum Dopes :-)
	by REwing <REwing@aol.com>
 16) Re: american  quentin roosevelt
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
 17) Re: new firm?
	by REwing <REwing@aol.com>
 18) Re: Testors Nie 17 Color
	by Pedro Nuno Soares <pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt>
 19) Re: Testors Nie 17 Color/ Aluminum Dopes :-)
	by Pedro Nuno Soares <pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt>
 20) Re: american  quentin roosevelt
	by Jim Elkins <jimelk@swbell.net>
 21) Re: new firm?
	by Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
 22) WARNING:  Dumb Question Alert regarding Bavarian AF E.III
	by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
 23) Fwd: Nieuport Diorama
	by Vicmic <Vicmic@aol.com>
 24) Re: HP 0/400 revisited
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
 25) Re: Glencoe Spad - American Aces
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
 26) Re: HP 0/400 revisited
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
 27) March 19,1918
	by BStett3770 <BStett3770@aol.com>

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:35:48 -0000
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: HP 0/400 revisited
Message-ID: <199803191728.RAA18616@beryl.sol.co.uk>

> 
> I'd like to see these 3 schemes! :-)
> Joey 

I know I have pages from an old Airfix magazine somewhere that gives b/w
profiles of several of these colourful 0/400s. Never fancied the pink one
myself though! From memory was this not called the Flying Harem and/or Pink
Elephant or something similar. (Must look up Bowyer's book again.)
The one I would build if I didn't want acres of PC-10 would be the silver
one used to ferry delegates over the channel for the Versailles Treaty
talks - now there's a slice of history for the tabletop!
Sandy

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:43:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Stephanian <csteph@itsa.ucsf.edu>
To: WWI List <wwi>
Subject: Hit Kit availability
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95.980319094104.162780A-100000@itsa.ucsf.edu>


Anyone know where I can get the Hit Kit Albatros?
I've tried AvUsk...no luck. 

Also, what should I expect regarding accuracy and quality..

Any help is most appreciated!

Thanks,

Charles Stephanian



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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:21:45 -0700
From: Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Glencoe Spad - American Aces
Message-ID: <l03102801b137119eff0c@[128.138.153.98]>

Hi Guys,

     I'm not assuming that Pegasus kits are based on Czech Resin masters, I
have been told this from several sources.  I also have a couple of Czech
originals that when held against Pegasus parts remove all doubt.  The SSW
D-III is the best example.

     I've never seen any 1/48 Czech resins and I don't own (yet) any Blue
Max kits, hence my question.

     At the risk of spreading rumors, my sources indicated that Chris
Gannon of Pegasus and BM paid the Czechs for the use of their resins as
masters for his kits.

Charles

hartc@spot.colorado.edu




>Sandy,
>
>Good point. I also wonder about everyone assuming that BM or Pegasus are
>automatically rip-offs of Czechmasters kits.
>
>Bob Pearson
>
>----------
>> From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
>> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
>> Subject: Re: Glencoe Spad - American Aces
>> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 05:19:55 -0500
>>
>> > While surfing the Aviation USK site last night I noticed that there are
>a
>> > few 1/48 Czech resins available, including a SPAD VII.  Can I assume
>that
>> > this was the master for the Blue Max kit ??
>> > Wondering
>> > Charles
>> Hi Charles
>> I think "available" is a very loose term used in relation to Czech Resins
>> 1/48 kits!
>>
>> I built the BM and had assumed it was a BM original - certainly inner
>> fuselage technique, finish etc looks identical to all the other BMs. I
>seem
>> to remember CG's name on it too, not that that is necessarily final proof,
>> of course. Nice kit but thick trailing edges on some(!) wings.
>> Sandy




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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:39:51 -0700
From: Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Toko S.S.
Message-ID: <l03102802b1371562e168@[128.138.153.98]>

   Sadly, the Toko lozenge decals are pretty worthless in terms of
representing the original fabric.  The colors are way off for either top or
bottom schemes and there is only one set of colors used on the decals, so
Jack you are correct, the distinction between top and bottom fabric is not
represented with the kit transfers.  These decals are very nicely printed
and replicate chordwise application of lozenge fabric.  Unfortunately, this
application is not what was found on  SSW bottom wings, not on the top wing
of the D-IV.  Exactly how lozenge fabric was applied to the top wing of a
D-III is a bit of a puzzle.  The photos in the Datafile are not very clear
on this at all, and to his credit, Ray Rimell admits to this.  It would
take some careful inspection of original prints of SSWs to figure this out.

     The other problem with the Toko decals is that they are 4-color
lozenge.  SSWs I have seen in photos all have 5-color fabric.

      But hey, this kit is very nice, but not without several flaws.  If
you want to make it a correct D-III (hey we all suffer from AMS) it will
take substantial modification.  Look for the review in the next Chandelle.


Charles

hartc@spot.colorado.edu



>I also got the Toko S.S. from Squadron, with Udet markings.  A reference I
>saw
>on another email reminded me of this question - Toko included some extensive
>(for $8, anyway) lozenge decals, for top and bottom of wings, but they are
>only
>one set of colors.  Aren't the top and bottom supposed to be different on
>this
>plane, like they are on the Albatros and Fokkers?
>
>Best regards,
>
>Jack




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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:00:43 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: HP 0/400 revisited
Message-ID: <8c072cfd.35116b5d@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-03-19 12:40:55 EST, you write:

<< The one I would build if I didn't want acres of PC-10 would be the silver
 one used to ferry delegates over the channel for the Versailles Treaty
 talks - now there's a slice of history for the tabletop!
 Sandy
  >>
That's one model you'd want to have VERY clear windows so the posh interior
would show.
Robert K.

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:04:29 -0600
From: The Shannons <Shingend@ix.netcom.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Testors Nie 17 Color
Message-ID: <35116C3C.B6C36F2C@ix.netcom.com>

> On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:30:59 -0500 bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer)
> writes:
>
> >Of course - but the aluminum powder was going to be in contact with
> >air (and thus oxidizing) for some considerable period _before_ it
> >was immersed, nay encased, in a clear dope, I would think.
>
>

Working from my knowledge of modern paint developments -- probably the
aluminum powder was further milled as it was put into the dope.  You can't
just mix a powdered metal into a paint vehicle by simple stirring -- it's
kind of like trying to get all the sugar dissolved in iced tea or all of
your Nestle's Quick chocolate powder to go into the milk.

In modern metallic paints (which still use aluminum as the metallizer) the
metal powder is pre-wetted by a small amount of the vehicle in a ball-mill.
This grinds the aluminum even further, removes oxide coating, and shines up
the metal as it forces wetting of all of the surfaces and pores.  I'm not
sure when ball-milling was introduced, but I think it was in the time period
we are discussing.  The process is simple to describe -- imagine putting
your ingredients in an oil drum filled with ball-bearings, sealing it up,
then rolling the drum continuously for hours to days (some uses).  You can
imagine how effective this would be with pigment mixing.

Incidently, the aluminum is the reason that metallic paints are the least
durable car finishes.  The vehicle (car) and the vehicle (paint) both expand
and contract with temperature and flex, the aluminum particles are embedded
in the paint and, no matter how you slice them, are knife-edged on the
microscopic scale and oblong.  They are pulled by the paint coating in
different orientations as the paint flexes, and start cutting small flaws in
the paint, which weather away to large areas.  The more aluminum powder in
the mix, the less the durability in the long run -- "German Silver" finish
being recognized as the absolute worst.

--
This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon
at Shingend@ix.netcom.com

History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could.



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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:21:19 -0600
From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi>
Subject: RE: HP 0/400 revisited
Message-ID: <01BD5339.E830DE80.panz-meador@vsti.com>

an interesting display would be the "delegate ferry" next to an airfix 
hudson converted to a lockheed electra 10, as used by neville chamberlain. 
 go for the "Theme" prize at the next model contest!

-----Original Message-----
From:	Sandy Adam [SMTP:cbbs@almac.co.uk]
Sent:	Thursday, March 19, 1998 11:43 AM
To:	Multiple recipients of list
Subject:	Re: HP 0/400 revisited

>
> I'd like to see these 3 schemes! :-)
> Joey

I know I have pages from an old Airfix magazine somewhere that gives b/w
profiles of several of these colourful 0/400s. Never fancied the pink one
myself though! From memory was this not called the Flying Harem and/or Pink
Elephant or something similar. (Must look up Bowyer's book again.)
The one I would build if I didn't want acres of PC-10 would be the silver
one used to ferry delegates over the channel for the Versailles Treaty
talks - now there's a slice of history for the tabletop!
Sandy


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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:26:30 -0600
From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi>
Subject: RE: american  quentin roosevelt
Message-ID: <01BD533A.A1C08800.panz-meador@vsti.com>

bill:  strangely enough, other sources (apparently "fighting the flying 
circus" by rickenbacker) says that QR was downed by a sergeant thom.  good 
point on the disagreement between sources.

phillip

-----Original Message-----

I guess just another example about why it seldom pays to be
too dogmatic about WW1 aviation history.  Even the "reliable"
references can disagree quite dramatically.

In fairness, I suppose I should note that Jasta 17 was a
part of JGr II - so perhaps Sloan confused Jasta 11 with
JGr II when assigning Donhauser to Jasta 11.  Which still
leaves the other discrepancies unexplained.

Cheers and all,

--
                 Bill Shatzer  - bshatzer@orednet.org


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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:29:13 -0600
From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi>
Subject: RE: american  quentin roosevelt
Message-ID: <01BD533B.02F309E0.panz-meador@vsti.com>

mike:  thanks for the info.  this may be the plane depicted in the sqadron 
"nieuports in action" center spread, although the unit insignia background 
is shown as white rather than mid-blue, etc.  (i understand from the review 
in "chandelle" that some of the portrayals may be incorrect).  i'm heading 
over to the library this afternoon, and will check out "air & space" to see 
if i can find that article--thanks for the heads up!

phillip

-----Original Message-----
From:	Mary-Ann/Michael [SMTP:bucky@postoffice.ptd.net]
Sent:	Thursday, March 19, 1998 6:34 AM
To:	Multiple recipients of list
Subject:	Re: american  quentin roosevelt

At 08:14 PM 3/18/98 -0500, Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador wrote:
>quentin roosevelt was the youngest son of teddy roosevelt, and scored 1
>victory in ww1 before he was shot down by JG2 in july 1918.  i understand
>that the germans distributed postcards of his body propped against the
>wreckage of the plane (beastly).  anybody have any ideas as to the color
>scheme of the plane QR was shot down in?  he was with the 95th aero
>squadron (the kicking mules) at the time, though i've not had a chance to
>dig out whether they had transitioned to the Spad XIII from the Nieuport 
28
>by that date.
>
Philip
        he was flying a Nieuport 28. There is a picture of ther wreckage
that's fairly widespread. There was also an article in the Air & Space
magazine put out by the Smiothsonian 4-5 years ago talking about how the
author found hisgrave. I don't know if I still have it, but if you'd like a
copy, I'll check. I think the cowl was a chrome yellow with red striping.
Plane had a black "14" outlined in white on fuselage and top wing.
HTH
Mike Muth


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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:35:31 -0600
From: The Shannons <Shingend@ix.netcom.com>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi>
Subject: Eduard Pfalz D.III
Message-ID: <35117382.6A5E0C3@ix.netcom.com>

I'm in the middle of constructing this kit and have come across a couple
of things that I thought I might let the group know.  The first is a
simple bit, the seat support is given as a simple slab that you post
vertically on the floor and perch the seat on top of.  If, like me, you
assemble this ahead of time, you need to put the support about two or
three millimeters ahead of the geographic center of the seat bottom to
have the right relationship of the seat in the cockpit opening.

Second, the engine is supported on a piece that fits in the nose and is
contoured to the inside.  When you dry fit these together, you will find
that if the support is put under the location rib in the nose, the
crankshaft will line up with the propellor boss hole, but the top of the
engine will be below the edges of the engine side panels and the exhaust
will not fit in.  If you put the support on top of the locator ribs, the
engine will be at the right height with respect to the exernal exposure,
but the crankshaft will not line up.  I do not know which is out of
proportion, the fuselage sits right on the Albatross Pfalz D.III
datafile plans, so I'm assuming that the engine is slightly small in the
vertical direction, at least. (Actually, in comparing again, the outline
of the kit fuselage may be just a hair large -- and I really mean a
hair, if that -- as well)

One other note on the engine -- the intake manifold piece is a little
short.  The pipes have the right width to reach each cylinder, but the
piece is not tall enough to really 'bottom' into the locating step in
the crankcase.  I know, minor as construction problems go, but when you
are trying to align six pipes onto the cylinder heads, it needs a steady
hand.

No other problems, per say, just be careful with the stick grip piece --
mine came apart into three pieces when I tried to clip it from the
relatively thick gates -- I ended up replacing it from a Tom's German
interiors set I had spare from my Glencoe Albatros project.  The rest of
the cockpit is going together quite well.  I used my Dremel to drill
through the gauge on the floor in front of the rudder pedals leaving a
thin rim to put the film dial on the back of it.  I'm just waiting for
the touch-up painting to dry before assembling the last of the cockpit
pieces and getting the fuselage together.

I have a couple of questions, though. Eduard gives you a single guage in
a sweeping piece that fits up under the front of the cockpit coaming.
However, on page 14 of the D.III datafile, there seems to be another
guage just to the right of the large one.  The cockpit drawings
reproduced in the guide do not show this second small gauge.  Anyone
know what it is?

Second, what color is the radiator flow control plate?  I have a couple
of thoughts, and am leaning toward natural metal, since most of the
factory photos show the various access covers as natural metal.  On the
other hand, it could be the ubiquitous gray-green primer.  Thoughts?

--
This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon
at Shingend@ix.netcom.com

History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could.



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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:30:43 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Eduard Pfalz D.III
Message-ID: <3bfd953.35118075@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-03-19 14:37:44 EST, you write:

<< Second, the engine is supported on a piece that fits in the nose and is
 contoured to the inside.  When you dry fit these together, you will find
 that if the support is put under the location rib in the nose, the
 crankshaft will line up with the propellor boss hole, but the top of the
 engine will be below the edges of the engine side panels and the exhaust
 will not fit in.  If you put the support on top of the locator ribs, the
 engine will be at the right height with respect to the exernal exposure,
 but the crankshaft will not line up.  I do not know which is out of
 proportion, the fuselage sits right on the Albatross Pfalz D.III
 datafile plans, so I'm assuming that the engine is slightly small in the
 vertical direction, at least. (Actually, in comparing again, the outline
 of the kit fuselage may be just a hair large -- and I really mean a
 hair, if that -- as well)..........
 
 I have a couple of questions, though. Eduard gives you a single guage in
 a sweeping piece that fits up under the front of the cockpit coaming.
 However, on page 14 of the D.III datafile, there seems to be another
 guage just to the right of the large one.  The cockpit drawings
 reproduced in the guide do not show this second small gauge.  Anyone
 know what it is? >>

I wonder if Eduard took into account the different thrust center lines of the
D III and D IIIa- I forget the exact figure but it might make a difference.
On that extra gauge- I've also noticed this in some pictures- I'm not sure
what this is, it doesn't show up in many shots. I left it off model because I
had a clear shot of the D III I built and no gauge was present so my problem
was solved!
Robert K.
 

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:30:41 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Testors Nie 17 Color
Message-ID: <e2c333d4.35118074@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-03-19 14:06:17 EST, you write:

<< Incidently, the aluminum is the reason that metallic paints are the least
 durable car finishes.  The vehicle (car) and the vehicle (paint) both expand
 and contract with temperature and flex, the aluminum particles are embedded
 in the paint and, no matter how you slice them, are knife-edged on the
 microscopic scale and oblong.  They are pulled by the paint coating in
 different orientations as the paint flexes, and start cutting small flaws in
 the paint, which weather away to large areas.  The more aluminum powder in
 the mix, the less the durability in the long run -- "German Silver" finish
 being recognized as the absolute worst.
  >>

Interesting stuff- this explains the constant cussing  emanating from my dad
during the 70s about the paint on his (then)car.
Robert K.

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:54:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Patrick Padovan <ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: american  quentin roosevelt
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.980319125230.25892C-100000@timber20.timberland.lib.wa.us>

Riordan: when you say, "There's a picture of the wreckage that is fairly
wide spread. . ." do you mean the wreckage or the picture? (There's a joke
in there somewhere. . . at least, I thought there was . . . )
                                                   Regards, Patrick
                                            (with, apparently, too much
                                                           free time!) 

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Patrick Padovan
Interlibrary Loan Associate    
             
Timberland Regional Library     Voice:   360-943-5001   
415 Airdustrial Way SW            FAX:   360-586-6838
Olympia, WA  98501-5799        e-mail:   ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 14:41:57 -0600
From: reaton@dsccc.com
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re[2]: Toko S.S. 
Message-ID: <9803198903.AA890345301@dsccc.com>


     Jack I agree with Charles. Although I have not tossed the Toko loz, I 
     finished my D-III with five color top and bottom. The results are 
     striking given the red of the fuselage. Lo! baby! The kit loz may pass 
     for under wing loz on other aircraft but not while I have other after 
     market laying around. Anyone else in 1/72 land finish on of these 
     great values yet? I was able to get a lot of the fuseloge detail to 
     stand out by darkening panel lines and fittings with fine pencil and 
     drybrushing with steel. They did not provide much rigging detail with 
     the kit so I kinda just represented the wiring on this one. 
     
     Regards,
     Richard


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Toko S.S. 
Author:  <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu> at inettest
Date:    3/19/98 1:37 PM


   Sadly, the Toko lozenge decals are pretty worthless in terms of
representing the original fabric.  The colors are way off for either top or 
bottom schemes and there is only one set of colors used on the decals, so 
Jack you are correct, the distinction between top and bottom fabric is not 
represented with the kit transfers.  These decals are very nicely printed 
and replicate chordwise application of lozenge fabric.  Unfortunately, this 
application is not what was found on  SSW bottom wings, not on the top wing 
of the D-IV.  Exactly how lozenge fabric was applied to the top wing of a 
D-III is a bit of a puzzle.  The photos in the Datafile are not very clear 
on this at all, and to his credit, Ray Rimell admits to this.  It would 
take some careful inspection of original prints of SSWs to figure this out.
     
     The other problem with the Toko decals is that they are 4-color
lozenge.  SSWs I have seen in photos all have 5-color fabric.
     
      But hey, this kit is very nice, but not without several flaws.  If
you want to make it a correct D-III (hey we all suffer from AMS) it will 
take substantial modification.  Look for the review in the next Chandelle.
     
     
Charles
     
hartc@spot.colorado.edu
     
     
     
>I also got the Toko S.S. from Squadron, with Udet markings.  A reference I 
>saw
>on another email reminded me of this question - Toko included some extensive 
>(for $8, anyway) lozenge decals, for top and bottom of wings, but they are 
>only
>one set of colors.  Aren't the top and bottom supposed to be different on 
>this
>plane, like they are on the Albatros and Fokkers? 
>
>Best regards,
>
>Jack
     
     
     
     



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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:15:46 EST
From: REwing <REwing@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Testors Nie 17 Color/ Aluminum Dopes :-)
Message-ID: <2d8510fd.35119914@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-03-19 05:50:26 EST, you write:

<< So, if I'm using Flat Aluminum as the basis for the fabric covered areas,
 what should I use for the metal covered? >>

You could try SnJ Aluminum.  Great product.  Can be buffed out or left as is.
HTH
-Rick-

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:22:34 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: american  quentin roosevelt
Message-ID: <22d05d8d.35119aad@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-03-19 15:48:54 EST, you write:

<< Regards, Patrick
                                             (with, apparently, too much
                                                            free time!) 
  >>
impossible
Robert K.

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:36:29 EST
From: REwing <REwing@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: new firm?
Message-ID: <18a15909.35119df0@aol.com>


<< Hi Franco:
 I have the Fokker E.III by Flashback. It is as you describe. The Eduard
 mold, very nice cast resin cockpit interior pieces and a high quality
 P.E. sheet. Decals for a Bravarian and a Turkish version. High quality at
 a fairly high price.
 Steven Perry >>

I got this one, too, and agree with Steven.  Even with Squadron's discount,
the Flashback kits are pretty expensive.  The resin guns are very,very nice!
I do have a couple of questions, though:

  1.  The Baverian scheme is said to be greenish.  Is this like the A-H scheme
as shown on the Datafile?

  2.  Has anyone come up with pretty close idea of the Turkish color is?  Ray
supposes it could be reddish-brown, grey, or green ( which I truly doubt).
Any suggestions?
TIA
-Rick-

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:23:02 +0100
From: Pedro Nuno Soares <pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt>
To: "'ww1 modeling list'" <wwi>
Subject: Re: Testors Nie 17 Color
Message-ID: <01BD5387.70406280@fei1-p8.telepac.pt>

Bill Shatzer wrote:
  Perhaps the airstream from the propeller was sufficient
> to keep the cowlings relatively free from oil contamination
> (while perhaps really mucking up areas further aft on the
> aircraft).  Or, perhaps the cowlings actually worked as intended
> and retained most or all of the spewing oil _within_ the
> cowling and prevented oil contamination of the exterior
> portions.  Other than that, I've no good guesses.
>=20
> Anyone else interested in taking a stab at this?
>=20


And Ernest added:

That would be the most reasonable guess. Even on the ground idleing, not
to mention in flight, the engine would be spuing oil out along the plane
of rotation. While the cowling would contain the splatter, there's no
way the oil would go against the slip stream from the prop. So the
cowling should be relatively oil free while the fuselage would look
something like a cox airplane after a day of flying in circles. But I
would think that the oil wouldn't be too dirty simply because it isn't
in the engine long enough to get dirty. Just my thoughts...


My turn:

I was looking at a photo I took of a Sop. Pup at the RAF Museum and the =
exhaust channel shows plenty of oil stains while the cowling is =
relatively stain free. This is a museum piece so it must have been =
through a good clean up. Still the stains on the underfuselage are very =
visible... I guess oil would collect around the inside of the cowling =
and flow to the exhaust channel where it would be blown backwards by the =
slipstream....


just my 20 centavos of castor oil blown away by a rotary mind...

Um abraco

Pedro



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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:43:54 +0100
From: Pedro Nuno Soares <pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt>
To: "'ww1 modeling list'" <wwi>
Subject: Re: Testors Nie 17 Color/ Aluminum Dopes :-)
Message-ID: <01BD5387.78EC89E0@fei1-p8.telepac.pt>

Eli wrote:=20


I would be using aluminum foil on these areas.  WWI aluminum was about
equivalent to what is used in HVAC ductwork today.  It was a dead soft =
and
very bright material, with no tendency to discolor or show visible
corrosion.  Aircraft alloys (17ST and 24ST) didn't show up until about =
10
years after the war and then were often coated with pure Aluminum so =
that
the corrosion resistance would be retained.

Either kitchen foil over dilute rubber cement or the commercially =
available
Bare-Metal foil will look quite good.  I've had a few problems getting =
the
Bare-Metal to stick consistently.  Apparently this has something to do =
with
its shelf life.


Hi,

Guys, what about SNJ spray metal? I used it on the cowling of my pup and =
I was very pleased with the results. further it can be mixed with =
regular enamels and polished to a high shine with snj aluminum powder or =
left as it is.=20


another 20 centavos worth of toughts

Um abraco

Pedro

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:51:16 -0800
From: Jim Elkins <jimelk@swbell.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: american  quentin roosevelt
Message-ID: <3511BD7E.9CDA87F@swbell.net>


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James Hudson's Hostile Skies states on Page 98, on 14 July "he (QR) was killed
when once again he became separated from a flight led by Lt. Buford and was
attacked by seven 'red-nosed Fokkers' of Jagdstaffel 21.  A German wireless
message received a few hours after the fight indicated that Roosevelt had been
shot down be Sergeant Karl Thom, one of the top aces of the Richtofen Circus.
(To this he references Buckley, Harold Squadron 95 pgs. 94-95; then says...)
German records, however, give credit to Sergeant Christian Donhauser of Jasta
21, who ended the war with 15 victories (no reference to this in his book).
HTH

Jim Elkins

p.s. anyone have Charles Duckworth's e-mail address?

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<HTML>
James Hudson's Hostile Skies states on Page 98, on 14 July "he (QR) was
killed when once again he became separated from a flight led by Lt. Buford
and was attacked by seven 'red-nosed Fokkers' of Jagdstaffel 21.&nbsp;
A German wireless message received a few hours after the fight indicated
that Roosevelt had been shot down be Sergeant Karl Thom, one of the top
aces of the Richtofen Circus. (To this he references Buckley, Harold <I>Squadron
95 pgs. 94-95; then says...) </I>German records, however, give credit to
Sergeant Christian Donhauser of Jasta 21, who ended the war with 15 victories
(no reference to this in his book).&nbsp; HTH

<P>Jim Elkins

<P>p.s. anyone have Charles Duckworth's e-mail address?</HTML>

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:55:02 -0700
From: Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: new firm?
Message-ID: <l03102806b137518b03ee@[128.138.153.98]>

><< Hi Franco:
> I have the Fokker E.III by Flashback. It is as you describe. The Eduard
> mold, very nice cast resin cockpit interior pieces and a high quality
> P.E. sheet. Decals for a Bravarian and a Turkish version. High quality at
> a fairly high price.
> Steven Perry >>
>
>I got this one, too, and agree with Steven.  Even with Squadron's discount,
>the Flashback kits are pretty expensive.  The resin guns are very,very nice!
>I do have a couple of questions, though:
>
>  1.  The Baverian scheme is said to be greenish.  Is this like the A-H scheme
>as shown on the Datafile?
>
>  2.  Has anyone come up with pretty close idea of the Turkish color is?  Ray
>supposes it could be reddish-brown, grey, or green ( which I truly doubt).
>Any suggestions?
>TIA
>-Rick-

    My suggestion for both of these is make your best guess. The A-H green
shown on the Datafile cover is based upon purportedly original aircraft
fabric, but the collection it came from has been denounced as fraudulent.
Ray Rimell has made some educated guesses on Turkish colors in his
publications, but I don't think he has been able to make any concrete
determinations.

My US$ 0.02 worth.

Charles

hartc@spot.colorado.edu



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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:10:01 -0600
From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi>
Subject: WARNING:  Dumb Question Alert regarding Bavarian AF E.III
Message-ID: <01BD5359.DB2A0200.panz-meador@vsti.com>

i've always seen the bavarian af insignia (on eindekkers only) as being the 
black/white fuesalage band with black rudder.  as far as i know, however, 
the bavarian state colors are blue and white (e.g. the lozenged state 
"wappenschildt"), whereas prussian colors were black and white.  is it 
really well known that the BAF used black/white, or is this just an 
interpretation of period photographs?

phillip


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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:14:57 EST
From: Vicmic <Vicmic@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Fwd: Nieuport Diorama
Message-ID: <eac3815e.3511a6f3@aol.com>

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:58:01 -0000
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: HP 0/400 revisited
Message-ID: <199803192358.XAA29825@beryl.sol.co.uk>

> << The one I would build if I didn't want acres of PC-10 would be the
silver
>  one used to ferry delegates over the channel for the Versailles Treaty
>  talks - now there's a slice of history for the tabletop!
>  Sandy
>   >>
> That's one model you'd want to have VERY clear windows so the posh
interior
> would show.
> Robert K.

Maybe it was the "Flying Harem" repainted of course!
Sandy

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:55:50 -0000
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: Glencoe Spad - American Aces
Message-ID: <199803192358.XAA29822@beryl.sol.co.uk>

, hence my question.
> 
>      At the risk of spreading rumors, my sources indicated that Chris
> Gannon of Pegasus and BM paid the Czechs for the use of their resins as
> masters for his kits.

Hi Charles
I've certainly heard this also from other sources and I'm sure it's right -
but I think it was some time back before CG started 1/48BM kits. I don't
know if he still does this for any Pegs but I have got all the BMs apart
from the Tripe and am pretty sure they are all his own work.
Sandy

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:31:15 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: HP 0/400 revisited
Message-ID: <f4507c4.3511b8d5@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-03-19 19:05:57 EST, you write:

<< Maybe it was the "Flying Harem" repainted of course!
 Sandy >>
Ah, so the delegates could join the mile high club?(could a 0/400 loaded with
diplomats ascend that high?)
Robert K.

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:38:17 EST
From: BStett3770 <BStett3770@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: March 19,1918
Message-ID: <30dc6f8a.3511ba7b@aol.com>

Hi Gang

March 14,1918 the date of the first operations across the lines in France
flown by the 94th Aero Squadron.

Per my handy dandy US AF Museum Calendar.

Keep Modeling
Barry
Rosemont Hobby

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