WWI Digest 931 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) OTF by Carlos Valdes 2) Re: WWI digest 929 (Slobbery Airplane Noises) by KarrArt 3) Re: MvR-Off topic by KarrArt 4) Re: This is great.. by KarrArt 5) Re: WWI digest 929 (Slobbery Airplane Noises) by Don Rinker 6) Re: WWI digest 929 (Slobbery Airplane Noises) by KarrArt 7) Anybody out there? by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 8) Re: Anybody out there? by Ernest Thomas 9) Back in the sadle again by Ernest Thomas 10) Re: Flying Corps Gold by John Berlien 11) Re: Spring meeting notice by Carlos 12) Re: Flying Corps Gold by Carlos Valdes 13) Re: Flying Corps Gold by "Sandy Adam" 14) Home PC Died by perrysm@juno.com (Steven M Perry) 15) Re: Flying Corps Gold by "Steve Belanger" 16) Re: Flying Corps Gold by Don RInker 17) Re: Spring meeting notice by BStett3770 18) Re: Flying Corps Gold by "Steve Belanger" 19) Airfix 0/400 by Franco Poloni 20) Re: Airfix 0/400 by REwing 21) Re: Airfix 0/400 by KarrArt 22) Re: Airfix 0/400 by KarrArt 23) Re: Flying Corps Gold & RB by "Gerald P. McOsker" 24) Re: Airfix 0/400 by "Sandy Adam" 25) Re: Flying Corps Gold & RB by "Sandy Adam" 26) Re: Airfix 0/400 by Charles Hart 27) Re: Airfix 0/400 by KarrArt 28) Re: Airfix 0/400 by KarrArt 29) Re: Airfix 0/400 by KarrArt 30) Re: Airfix 0/400 by KarrArt 31) OFF TOPIC: Fokker C-XI-W by CubsWinOne 32) Re: OFF TOPIC: Fokker C-XI-W by Charles Hart ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 00:04:15 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: OTF Message-ID: <3504C9CF.337E@conted.gatech.edu> I just got the latest OTF today. It's a much more all around interesting issue than the last couple have been. To begin with, we have our vey own Bob P.--or rather his great artwork--on the back cover in conjunction with a colors article by Greg VanW. on the Hannover CL types. There's also a unit history of FA(A) 252, a short piece on the mythic appeal of MvR, and an excellent set of photos of RFC/RAF/RNAS subjects, as well as a couple of other short pieces and the usual departments. This is one that I can say I will have read cover to cover when I'm through with it. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:53:40 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI digest 929 (Slobbery Airplane Noises) Message-ID: <64d4890a.35060ac6@aol.com> In a message dated 98-03-10 09:28:40 EST, you write: << Of the many R/C planes I've crashed, I've never heard any direct evidence of the model making it's own slobbering noises, however that is inconclusive as it is problematic whether or not anyone could have heard them over the slobbering and blubbering I was doing. >> An early teenage infatuation with U-control, resulting in an almost perfect 100% crash record cured any model flying desires that might have developed- I'll go watch somebody else take their chances! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:53:42 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: MvR-Off topic Message-ID: <62bb6c8a.35060ac8@aol.com> In a message dated 98-03-10 00:50:21 EST, you write: << Sorry to hear that, I knew that Snoopy had fallen off the dog house, but I hadn't heard that he fell off the wagon, and ended up in the dumpster. I understand that damned bird friend of his got him hooked on "flying high", and that was it, "alles kaput"*. >> It's that "bad crowd-Bruno Stachel" syndrome.A short step from Woodstock, or whatever that little devil bird is called to Herman Goering! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:53:43 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: This is great.. Message-ID: <5047178b.35060ac9@aol.com> In a message dated 98-03-08 23:00:18 EST, you write: << KarrArt wrote: Watch what happens when some guy's woman wins a medal with her beginers dinosaur and he comes away emptyhanded after years of modeling! > Robert K. This has GOT to be very, VERY ugly Robert DAVID >> So far it hasn't happened to me, but my wife keeps coming up with these great diorama ideas but she won't let me use 'em- says she gonna build 'em someday. Meanwhile, I'd love to see her try her hand at modeling! Back to the original comment- at one particular show, the guy had entered some fabulously tricked-out Luftwaffe thing and came up with zilch.His girlfriend got a second place with her dinosaur, and it was the second model she'd built.No harsh words( at least in the presence of others) but the icy silence could've frozen a side of beef. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:04:20 -0500 From: Don Rinker To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI digest 929 (Slobbery Airplane Noises) Message-ID: <35060D44.21C2@fast.net> KarrArt wrote: > > An early teenage infatuation with U-control, resulting in an almost perfect > 100% crash record cured any model flying desires that might have developed- > I'll go watch somebody else take their chances! Candyass....... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:28:31 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI digest 929 (Slobbery Airplane Noises) Message-ID: <3198ac1d.350612f1@aol.com> In a message dated 98-03-10 23:04:59 EST, you write: << KarrArt wrote: > > An early teenage infatuation with U-control, resulting in an almost perfect > 100% crash record cured any model flying desires that might have developed- > I'll go watch somebody else take their chances! Candyass....... :-) >> Damn right!(and a cheapskate) Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:00:34 -0800 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Anybody out there? Message-ID: <35061A72.4DE8@ricochet.net> Have there been very few messages in the last few days or is it my imagination? Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:20:08 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Anybody out there? Message-ID: <35062D18.61FE@bellsouth.net> Michelle and Rory Goodwin wrote: > > Have there been very few messages in the last few days or is it my > imagination? > > Riordan Rio, I just got my processor out of the shop after two weeks. When I turned it on, I had 796 messages. All but 2 of em were from this list. Lokks like I missed some helpful discussions, but I wasn't gonna read all those e-mails. Sad thing is, even after not having a computer to distract me for 2 weeks, I still haven't finished a model since the fall. I don't know why. All I've been trying to do is knock together some simple out-the-box off-subject subject and I can't seem to do anything right. I may just have to build something with lozenge pattern and a lot of PE to convince myself that I can still finish a model. Ernest nl; Nimrod (new Green Day cd) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:57:27 -0600 From: Ernest Thomas To: multiple recipients of list Subject: Back in the sadle again Message-ID: <350635D7.3EC7@bellsouth.net> HI Ho everybody, Got my pc out the shop today. I didn't read the 796 messages I had on the server, But I seem to recall offereing a couple people some decals one night in a drunken stupor before the pc died. If those guys are still waiting for any of this, get back to me. Ernest ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:34:59 -0800 From: John Berlien To: wwi Subject: Re: Flying Corps Gold Message-ID: Your comments on FCG and RBII came at just the right time - I'm trying to select between them right now. (My wife is getting me one or the other for my birthday ;-)) I just read some reviews of RBII on the web that said it had great potential but numerous problems in the current release. I have heard good things about FCG but it hasn't gotten much hype, like RBII has. So you think the answer is: get both? You mention machine requirements - just how powerful a machine would you say is required to fully enjoy it? Is it correct that FCG takes advantage of a 3D video card, but RBII does not? Thanks and best regards, Jack ------------------ Original text From: Carlos Valdes , on 3/10/98 8:43 PM: Kevin, I have FCG. If you're into WWI flight sims you have to get this as well as RB2 (it does require a fairly powerful machine to fully enjoy, though). If you can get only one, I recommend RB2 despite its many problems as it also has more to offer--in terms of flyable (and viewable) a/c and career options--than the more polished FCG. I can give you more specifics off list if you'd like. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:06:22 -0500 From: Carlos To: wwi Subject: Re: Spring meeting notice Message-ID: <3506B67E.6214F4B9@erols.com> Carl J. Bobrow wrote: > > Spring meeting notice: > The Atlantic Coast Chapter of the League of WWI Aviation Historians will be > meeting on April 18th at the Smithsonian Institution's Garber AAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!! That happens to be the one weekend I an scheduled for something else and can't make it! Sun-n-Fun, the BIG experimental aircraft fly-in is in Florida, and I'll be there that weekend. BUMMER. I live about 1 hour from NASM! Don't suppose someones going to video tape it? How do I join the Atlantic Coast Chapter of the League of WWI Aviation Historians? - Carlos H : chatten@erols.com ICQ# 1142918, MAPPC# 1068, EAA# 572117, USUA Club #4, ASC Nieuport 11 replica plans serial # 1116 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:42:05 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Flying Corps Gold Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980311164205.006df74c@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Jack, > So you think the answer is: get both? Yes, ideally. However, if I had to choose only one, I would go with RB2 as it has more planes to fly and more career options (even though it feels more unfinished). >You mention machine requirements - just how powerful a machine would you say is >required to fully enjoy it? I have a P133 with 48 megs of RAM and a 2d/3d video card with 4 megs of RAM;the game runs a bit slow on the higher res. settings. It should do better on a P166 and above. >Is it correct that FCG takes advantage of a 3D video card, but RBII does not? Correct. A patch is being worked on that will give RB2 3d capability, but the planes do look very nice as is. FCG supports 3D, but mainly 3Dfx; if you have a Rendition-based card, as I do, you won't be able to take advantage of the higher resolutions available. Still, the game looks good even in 2D. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:45:31 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Flying Corps Gold Message-ID: <199803111738.RAA06206@beryl.sol.co.uk> I remember some people had a spat a few months ago on this list about the differences between these two games and I seem to remeber there was a comment about FMG needing an awful lot of resource. I have two versions of the Rowan game - the first called Dawn Patrol which is a DOS/Win.11 offering and the second called Flying Corps which is a Win95 offering. I have seen Flying Corps Gold in the shops and the only differences between this and FC appears to be the addition of a Fokker D.VII to fly and some more ground scenery. The planes and the balloons and suchlike look identical. Flying Corps runs on my kids' P166 with 32Mb and 4Mb graphics superbly. The aircraft are unbelieveably good to fly and details like the different sounds of the Camel's Vickers and the Albatros/Tripe's "Spandaus" is terrific - the absolutely best though is the two distinguishable notes of the Vickers and Lewis on the SE. You do get Fokker D.VIIs in this game but only as adversaries for your SPAD and SE to shoot down - which is of course the best thing to do with them anyhow! I have not seen RB but it would have to be mind-blowing to be anywhere near as good as this. I don't really want to buy it as I spend so much time on FC - my sanity (not to mention marriage) would suffer. HTH (?) Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:04:45 -0500 From: perrysm@juno.com (Steven M Perry) To: wwi Subject: Home PC Died Message-ID: <19980311.130445.-31562.0.perrysm@juno.com> "Primary Hard Drive Failure" and it's off to the shop before the warranty runs out. Will check messages on office PC Steven Perry perrysm@juno.com No war is "Great" but we all know which one had the Great Airplanes! _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:31:02 -0500 From: "Steve Belanger" To: Subject: Re: Flying Corps Gold Message-ID: <199803111834.NAA21430@smtp.db.erau.edu> According to "PC Gamer," (who just had a reviewed RBII on their latest issue), they "recommend" 8x CD-ROM, Pent 200, and 32 RAM. I have a Pent.II 233, 32 RAM, 4megs 2D and when I turn on the time compression in the game, I cannot even tell the difference between 8x and 16x, except 16x might actually be slower. I too recommend it, especially since the flight model patch is expected any day now. Steve Belanger > I have a P133 with 48 megs of RAM and a 2d/3d video card with 4 megs > of RAM;the game runs a bit slow on the higher res. settings. It should do > better on a P166 and above. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:46:50 -0500 From: Don RInker To: wwi Subject: Re: Flying Corps Gold Message-ID: <3506F83A.1F58@fast.net> Steve Belanger wrote: > > According to "PC Gamer," (who just had a reviewed RBII ..... Didn't PC Gamer give RB2 only a 59% rating, one of the lowest flight sim ratings for a release by a major publiser in several years? I think their bottom line advice was to stay away and get Flying Corps Gold. > > I too recommend it, especially since the flight model patch is expected any > day now. > > Steve Belanger > > > I have a P133 with 48 megs of RAM and a 2d/3d video card with 4 > megs > > of RAM;the game runs a bit slow on the higher res. settings. It should do > > better on a P166 and above. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:12:16 EST From: BStett3770 To: wwi Subject: Re: Spring meeting notice Message-ID: <4e111857.3506fe31@aol.com> In a message dated 98-03-11 11:17:00 EST, you write: << How do I join the Atlantic Coast Chapter of the League of WWI Aviation Historians? >> Contact Tom Leamon PO Box 58 Whately MA 0193-0058 E-mail Tomdrachen@aol.com $10.00 per year membership Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:28:05 -0500 From: "Steve Belanger" To: Subject: Re: Flying Corps Gold Message-ID: <199803112131.QAA03597@smtp.db.erau.edu> Yes, it did get a 59%, but that was the only review I've read that actually mentioned the many many game crashes. It sounded to me like the main things keeping it down were the massive bug infestations and no 3D support. I never had a game that was great one minute - then sucked so much the next because of getting kicked back to Windows for no reason except for clicking "Done" after a long mission. If it weren't for the bugs, it would be even better, I just wish they beta tested it longer instead of rushing it out for Christmas. I would have rather had an excellent RBII released for Christmas ' 98 than to pay $50+ for an incomplete game! PC Gamer's "bottom line" was "maybe a patch can make this game worthwhile; until then, you're better off with Empires Flying Corps Gold or the original Red Baron." (I think that last part was a little harsh.... Like I said before, I do still recommend it, I'm not trying to bash it. Steve Belanger > Steve Belanger wrote: > > > > According to "PC Gamer," (who just had a reviewed RBII ..... > > Didn't PC Gamer give RB2 only a 59% rating, one of the lowest flight sim > ratings for a release by a major publiser in several years? > > I think their bottom line advice was to stay away and get Flying Corps > Gold. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:24:36 GMT From: Franco Poloni To: wwi Subject: Airfix 0/400 Message-ID: <199803090924.JAA31413@lo.itline.it> Hi gang Just receive the Airfix HP 0/400, but the a prop is missing, need replacement. Do you know if Aeroclub has it??? Do you also know item no??? Have some one a list of references? What do you think about this kit? It looks nice to me, apart from a thick wing trailing edge. Any comment?? Franco ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:21:14 EST From: REwing To: wwi Subject: Re: Airfix 0/400 Message-ID: In a message dated 98-03-11 16:49:47 EST, you write: << Just receive the Airfix HP 0/400, but the a prop is missing, need replacement. Do you know if Aeroclub has it??? Do you also know item no??? Have some one a list of references? What do you think about this kit? It looks nice to me, apart from a thick wing trailing edge. Any comment?? >> There is one of these in the local hobby shop for $40. Thought about getting it, but I wasn't sure if the price was too high or not and it is in the wrong scale. However, I don't think I'm going to see one (in 1/48th) in kit form unless Robert starts marketing his! How about it, Robert? ;^} -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:39:30 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Airfix 0/400 Message-ID: <85af9975.350712a3@aol.com> In a message dated 98-03-11 17:23:41 EST, you write: << There is one of these in the local hobby shop for $40. Thought about getting it, but I wasn't sure if the price was too high or not and it is in the wrong scale. However, I don't think I'm going to see one (in 1/48th) in kit form unless Robert starts marketing his! How about it, Robert? ;^} -Rick- >> Heeee Heeee Heeee- I got my Airfix for $14 at a collector show- the guy wanted $20, I had my 12 (at the time) year old son go up and look longingly at the kit and ask " how much for the bomber ,Mr?".The guy said "for you, $15" Son says "All I got is $14" the guy says "OK". I'm not proud! After I finish my 1/48 0/400, I don't want to see another one for a LONG LONG time. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:39:29 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Airfix 0/400 Message-ID: <89b81e74.350712a2@aol.com> In a message dated 98-03-11 16:49:47 EST, you write: << Hi gang Just receive the Airfix HP 0/400, but the a prop is missing, need replacement. Do you know if Aeroclub has it??? Do you also know item no??? Have some one a list of references? What do you think about this kit? It looks nice to me, apart from a thick wing trailing edge. Any comment?? Franco >> The details and fuselage on this kit are amazing- check out those Lewis guns- I hate admit it but they're better than any 1/48 items I've ever come across! The wings are......wierd... unless they've altered the molds over the years. I'm currently STILL working on my 1/48 scratch 0/400 and I got the Airfix kit to use as one of the references (I'd part with one of the props but my son has claimed the kit when I'm finished- where oh where did I go wrong? He builds 1/72.....) I've looked far and wide for good reference material.Scattered photos in a host of books and magazines- the best is stuff is in C&C International v23 #3 1992,Scale Models International May 1984 where Rimell builds the kit, The Bruce Robertson WW I British marking book from Albatros Pub has a few shots, and Aeroplane Monthly May 1996 is worth getting ahold of for ONE great nose shot photo that has amazing detail. Markings are simple- over all PC10, top and bottom,a white serial number on the tail, a couple of roundels and that's it! NO Nivo! I can scan and send some of this stuff if you like. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:39:43 -0500 From: "Gerald P. McOsker" To: wwi Subject: Re: Flying Corps Gold & RB Message-ID: I have both games- which I run on a P133 with 42mb Ram and a 4mb 3D card- I usually use a MAC but keep this DOS bucket around for games- I havn't tried the Gold game since I received it a couple of weeks ago in an upgrade move. The original FC ws not too much to my liking as I kept crashing into trees trying to take off- RBII on the otehr hand did not have me taking off- I opted for a few trial missions that commenced in the air. The graphics were great- I had to go out though and purchase a Microsoft sidewinder Pro or something like that joystick that helped. When I get through teaching this new course thios semester, I intend to get more into it between cricket practices. BUT- yes I shouted a BUT! I have the old DOS Red Baron and I regularly break to take on the interception of a ZEPPELIN! Nothing I have seen in the new games can compare with attacking one of these behomoths in a DH2- even with tawdry graphics. Needless to say ther are no zepps in the new games.= Wieder Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:54:48 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Airfix 0/400 Message-ID: <199803112347.XAA16727@beryl.sol.co.uk> > It looks nice to me, apart from a thick wing trailing edge. > Any comment?? > Franco Hi Franco The only real problem with this kit is the strange square section wing ribs - quite a lot of sanding required here. Don't listen to Robert about the colour though - some of them had wierd snaky camouflage on the undersurfaces which was designed to break up the shape in searchlight beams - that's the finish I'd go for. (Better I say it now Robert than after you've finished. Whichever, I'm sure your 1/48 rendition will be a true "Bloody Paralyser"!) Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 00:05:56 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Flying Corps Gold & RB Message-ID: <199803112358.XAA16954@beryl.sol.co.uk> The original FC ws not too much to my liking as I kept crashing into trees > trying to take off- Hit the Tab key - it takes you on auto-pilot until you are in combat range of some enemies. > Needless to say ther are no zepps in the new games.= > Gerry No, but the Kite Balloons and Flaming Onions in FC are pretty good - especially the guy who leaps out on parachute as you start your attack. Then you can bomb the tanks and trucks. My favourite mission is the one in darkness where you bomb the train and see it explode in a plume of steam! (Oh oh I'm getting into sad mode again!) Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:16:05 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Airfix 0/400 Message-ID: >In a message dated 98-03-11 16:49:47 EST, you write: > ><< Hi gang > Just receive the Airfix HP 0/400, but the a prop is missing, need >replacement. > Do you know if Aeroclub has it??? Do you also know item no??? > Have some one a list of references? > What do you think about this kit? > It looks nice to me, apart from a thick wing trailing edge. > Any comment?? > > > Franco > >> >The details and fuselage on this kit are amazing- check out those Lewis guns- >I hate admit it but they're better than any 1/48 items I've ever come across! >The wings are......wierd... unless they've altered the molds over the years. >I'm currently STILL working on my 1/48 scratch 0/400 and I got the Airfix kit >to use as one of the references (I'd part with one of the props but my son has >claimed the kit when I'm finished- where oh where did I go wrong? He builds >1/72.....) >I've looked far and wide for good reference material.Scattered photos in a >host of books and magazines- the best is stuff is in C&C International v23 #3 >1992,Scale Models International May 1984 where Rimell builds the kit, The >Bruce Robertson WW I British marking book from Albatros Pub has a few shots, >and Aeroplane Monthly May 1996 is worth getting ahold of for ONE great nose >shot photo that has amazing detail. Markings are simple- over all PC10, top >and bottom,a white serial number on the tail, a couple of roundels and that's >it! NO Nivo! I can scan and send some of this stuff if you like. >Robert K. There is one reference you leave out Robert, the book "Handley Page Bombers of WWI" by Chaz Boyer. Lots of good photos even if it is short on scale drawings. Admittedly its difficult to find, and frequently quite expensive when located. The Airfix 0/400 kit is pretty impressive from a size standpoint. Rib stations on the upper wing surfaces are a problem, orbital sander time perhaps ?? Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:48:33 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Airfix 0/400 Message-ID: In a message dated 98-03-11 18:55:48 EST, you write: << The only real problem with this kit is the strange square section wing ribs - quite a lot of sanding required here. >> Yeah, it's almost as if two different groups of people made the molds- all this delicacy then you look at the wings- also by making these wide straps, the spaces where the the 34,657 riblets shoud be are obliterated. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:48:32 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Airfix 0/400 Message-ID: <61b03fbe.350730e2@aol.com> In a message dated 98-03-11 18:55:48 EST, you write: << Don't listen to Robert about the colour though - some of them had wierd snaky camouflage on the undersurfaces which was designed to break up the shape in searchlight beams - that's the finish I'd go for. >> Never seen a shot of an operational 0/400 with this! Believe me - I've looked for something to relieve the relentless PC 10.( whenever I can I try to build front line machines) I almost wish that for something just a little different I'd have made an 0/100 Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:48:35 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Airfix 0/400 Message-ID: <4820a23e.350730e5@aol.com> In a message dated 98-03-11 19:10:55 EST, you write: << There is one reference you leave out Robert, the book "Handley Page Bombers of WWI" by Chaz Boyer. Lots of good photos even if it is short on scale drawings. Admittedly its difficult to find, and frequently quite expensive when located. >> That's the one reference I couldn't lay my hands on.My biggest disappointment on this project was the Colin Owers drawings that I used as my main source. He's usually very good- acceptable detail with GREAT dimensional accuracy- but these drawings were a big let down. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:48:34 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Airfix 0/400 Message-ID: <50496a3f.350730e4@aol.com> In a message dated 98-03-11 19:10:55 EST, you write: << The Airfix 0/400 kit is pretty impressive from a size standpoint. Rib stations on the upper wing surfaces are a problem, orbital sander time perhaps ?? Charles >> Dynamite maybe a more efficient mode. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:06:36 EST From: CubsWinOne To: wwi Subject: OFF TOPIC: Fokker C-XI-W Message-ID: <70edf2a2.3507432e@aol.com> I know that this is a little off topic, but I'll ask anyways... I am looking for some reference to the Fokker C-XI-W (it is a two place single engined float bi-plane used by the Dutch Navy in WWII). I know, wrong war, but at least it has 2 wings & bracing wires (and was made by an on-topic company ;) I searched the net, and found a refernce to an article in Avions #7 & #8, but those are long out of print. I was wondering if any kind sole might have a copy of said Avions and be willing to make me some photocopies (I'll be happy to pick up the postage & expenses). Also, does anyone know of any other references to this bird? Anyone know of any models of the C-XI-W? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joe CubsWinOne@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:06:03 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Fokker C-XI-W Message-ID: >I know that this is a little off topic, but I'll ask anyways... > >I am looking for some reference to the Fokker C-XI-W (it is a two place single >engined float bi-plane used by the Dutch Navy in WWII). I know, wrong war, >but at least it has 2 wings & bracing wires (and was made by an on-topic >company ;) I searched the net, and found a refernce to an article in Avions >#7 & #8, but those are long out of print. > >I was wondering if any kind sole might have a copy of said Avions and be >willing to make me some photocopies (I'll be happy to pick up the postage & >expenses). Also, does anyone know of any other references to this bird? > >Anyone know of any models of the C-XI-W? > >Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, > >Joe >CubsWinOne@aol.com According to an ad in the latest Avions (#59), several earlier issues of this magazine will be reprinted, 1000 copies each. I believe that both of the issues you are seeking are included in the projected reprints. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 931 *********************