WWI Digest 926 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: alternate puttering by "Sandy Adam" 2) Re: Re: AM purchase by Jim Alley 3) Re: This is great.. by mbittner@juno.com 4) Re: This is great.. by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 5) Re: alternate puttering by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 6) RE: A call out to Toko by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 7) Re: AM UPDATED LIST by "Tom Werner Hansen" 8) Morane Parasol overwing gun/ James Bach markings by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 9) Maxwell's Hurricane (was RE: A call out to Toko) by Bob Pearson 10) RE: UPDATE" AM list by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 11) UPDATED AM LIST by Bob Pearson 12) by fedders 13) Re: UPDATE" AM list by knut.erik.hagen@login.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 14) Alb Data by perrysm@juno.com 15) Re: AM purchase by thayer@sirius.com (Thayer Syme) 16) Lt Lenz -SS-D-IV (Building Toko kit) by BStett3770 17) Re: This is great..(Spray vs brush) by BStett3770 18) Re: Lt Lenz -SS-D-IV (Building Toko kit) by Bob Pearson 19) Re: Lt Lenz -SS-D-IV (Building Toko kit) by Carlos Valdes 20) Re: This is great.. by Dave Sterner 21) Re: This is great..(Spray vs brush) by Dave Sterner 22) Re: This is great.. by Dave Sterner 23) Re: This is great.. by Dave Sterner 24) Re: This is great.. by Dave Sterner ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:07:26 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: alternate puttering Message-ID: <199803071103.LAA03058@beryl.sol.co.uk> ............. but all you Teutoniphobes should enjoy his remarks > about Goering! > Robert Karr Bucky seems like a highly intelligent and well-adjusted individual to me! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 08:34:27 EST From: Jim Alley To: wwi Subject: Re: Re: AM purchase Message-ID: <288479e3.35014ce5@aol.com> >But would jpeg still deteriorate if it is stored on a CD? I assumed they >will if on a hard drive and get opened repeatedly, but if on disc they >should be safe - especially if the highest settings are used. GIF should be >avoided at all costs though. Agreed. If the resolution is high and the settings are at least medium to high, there shouldn't be any serious degradation. What Bob suggests is that if you are working on a file and repeatedly save it in jpeg, it will get progressively worse. I've been burned by this, so I'm a little gunshy. However, anything on a CD will not lose quality beyond the initial amount; the number of times you open a jpeg file doesn't matter. The number of times you save a jpeg file matters a lot. Jim Alley ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 07:29:11 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: This is great.. Message-ID: <19980307.074829.16790.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:33:29 -0500 Dave Sterner writes: > Thanks to Bill, Don, Robert & Barry for their input and welcome, > this list is an awfully cool thing. I'm getting back into this > with a passion, today I ordered about $300.00 worth of Winsock > publications, I always loved reading about the planes and pilots > just as much as building the models. Any "must read" > suggestions? It would be cool to find some information/pictures > on Jacob's and his triplane that I'm getting ready to build, any > ideas? Most of the stuff on Jacobs' personal life has been published in Cross & Cockade International (C&CI), one issue of the US, now defunct Cross & Cockade (C&C) and a few issues of Over the Front (OtF). I am a big fan of Jacobs', so I have as much of the stuff as I can get my greedy little hands on. :-) There are other small articles from different sources, but the main ones dealing with his life are contained in the above sources. As Patrick said, there are a couple of pages devoted to Jacobs in the Albatross Dr.I Special. Plus, there are some words in Volume II of _Aviation Awards of Imperial Germany in World War I_. Also look at the new Albatross D.VII Anthology, part 1. It has a couple of pages devoted to Jasta 7, which include never before seen pictures of aircraft line ups, in which you can see his Dr.I, and his D.VII (in which, incidentally, is the same photo in the Dr.I Special). However, it is the other never before seen pictures that made my heart flutter. :-) Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:42:30 -0500 From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: This is great.. Message-ID: <199803071542.KAA28893@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 11:33 PM 3/6/98 -0500, Dave Sterner wrote: > Hi everyone, > > It looks like the concensious on my paint question is to use a >semi-gloss black for the triplane, now my question is, spray or brush? Do >most of you spray the larger pieces and brush the smaller ones? Dave When I did his triplane in 1/78, I spray painted the whole thing in a flat black...definitely looks weird. I mix the style of painting when I do stuff....spray paint white, silver, yellow, clear doped linen(Model Masters "Modern Dessert Sand) and black, hand paint the rest. I just started getting used to an airbrush. I like the look it gives, but it's a lot of work masking and cleaning. One thing I'm starting to swear by is water based paints! Polly-Scale(or is it Polly-S, I forget which one is the new version) is great on colors, coverage and cleanup. HTH Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:42:31 -0500 From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: alternate puttering Message-ID: <199803071542.KAA28903@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 06:14 AM 3/7/98 -0500, Sandy Adam wrote: >............ but all you Teutoniphobes should enjoy his remarks >> about Goering! >> Robert Karr > >Bucky seems like a highly intelligent and well-adjusted individual to me! >Sandy I should probably point out that this "bucky" is not the same as me. The bucky in my address(which always seems to be wrong/working improperly) is the name of my soon to be ex wife. Once I figure out how to change the address, I'll probably come up with something appropriate...then again, maybe not. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:25:21 -0500 From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: A call out to Toko Message-ID: <199803071625.LAA29013@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Just sent a letter to Toko. It'll be interesting to see if they reply to anyone. Kits I wanted to see were: SPAD-7, SE5a, Hanriot HD-1 and Sopwith Dolphin. I even had to go along with the smaller scale...groan! Mike Muth nb: SE5a flown by Maxwell, White "A" (1/48) Roland Whale Airfix kit, (1/72) nu: Hurricane flown by Maxwell's brother....if I can find the right call numbers for fuselage "US...????????????" nl: Car Talk on NPR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:46:17 +0100 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Re: AM UPDATED LIST Message-ID: <199803071629.RAA04843@d1o211.telia.com> I didn't find my name on the list. I did,however post the e-mail when my phone line was a bit dicey. I wouldn't mind putting in a couple of days scanning and if decided upon: OCR-ing pages from the AM-files Tom Werner Hansen ---------- > From: Bob Pearson > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: AM UPDATED LIST > Date: 06. mars 1998 17:44 > > > Greetings all, > > Here is the list as it stands so far. The australian contingent can be > reduced to one if wanted. > > Ray Boorman > Brian Reddington-Wilde > Rick Ewing > Dave Watts > Steve Perry > John Huggins > Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton > David Laws > Shane Weier > Chris Banyai-Riepl > Ken Hagerup > Robert Karr > Bill Bacon > Alberto Rada > Matt Bittner ? > Pedro Nuno Soares > Graham Nash > Bob Pearson > Michel Lefort > Joey Valenciano > Kent McClure > Phillip Anz-Meador > Paul Schwartzkopf > Hans-Juergen Glueck > Kevin Barrett > Mike Muth > John Glaser > Barry Stettler > Al Superczynwski > Joe Boeke > Gary Hackney > Len Endy > Mick Fauchon > Steve Sundberg > Bruce Simard > Bob Allred > Charles Duckworth > Mark Rook > Lee Mensinger > Brian Nicklas > Franco Poloni > Gerald P McOsker > David Layton > Don Rinker > Ivan Subrt > Sandy Adam > > Regards, > Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 08:57:37 -0800 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Morane Parasol overwing gun/ James Bach markings Message-ID: <35017C81.3186@ricochet.net> Anyone have drawings or photos of late 1915 type 'L' fitted with overwing gun,and/or information on serial and/or or markings (if any) for James Bach's M.S. 38 machine in which he scored the first (albeit assisted) aerial victory by a Yank? Arch Whitehouse has the overwing gun a Lewis, but is it possible/probable it was a Hotchkiss? Thanks, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 09:44:02 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Maxwell's Hurricane (was RE: A call out to Toko) Message-ID: <17440236014403@KAIEN.COM> Sorry list, but as usual mail to Mike came back as failed (time for a new server perhaps Mike) ---------- From: Bob Pearson To: bucky@mail.ptd.net Subject: RE: A call out to Toko Mike, I take it Maxwell's Hurricane is BoB era? If so I was under the impression that no particular aircraft was assigned to any one pilot at the time. They flew what was available. According to MJF Bowyer in FIGHTER COLOURS 1937-1975 " It would be pleasing to describe markings of aircraft flown by well-known Battle of Britain pilots, fore over the years the idea has grown that each pilot had a particular mount. In reality this was rarely the case. Occasionally a pilot did keep the same aircraft for a short period, but battle damage, unservicability, modification programmes, major overhauls, etc, meant that one aeroplane could be available for only a short period. All that can really be said is that such-and-such an aeroplane was a mount on certain occasions. . . . . " A typical 56 Sqn Hurricane is US-P (P3055) which was recorded in September 1940. regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: A call out to Toko > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:26:04 -0500 > > Just sent a letter to Toko. It'll be interesting to see if they > reply to anyone. Kits I wanted to see were: SPAD-7, SE5a, Hanriot HD-1 and > Sopwith Dolphin. I even had to go along with the smaller scale...groan! > Mike Muth > nb: SE5a flown by Maxwell, White "A" (1/48) > Roland Whale Airfix kit, (1/72) > nu: Hurricane flown by Maxwell's brother....if I can find the right call > numbers for fuselage "US...????????????" > nl: Car Talk on NPR > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:50:42 -0600 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: UPDATE" AM list Message-ID: <01BD49BF.424A7900.panz-meador@vsti.com> bob: i think everybody on the list is questionable until such time as the copyright restrictions are ironed out. again, until the copyright is resolved, republishing and distributing the magazine is stealing from the copyright holder(s). this is unlike copying a few pages for legitimate research interests under recent rulings. phillip -----Original Message----- From: Bob Pearson [SMTP:bpearson@kaien.com] Sent: Friday, March 06, 1998 8:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: UPDATE" AM list Sorry to those I missed in my earlier list of interested parties. My AM file is now at 140 messages, so some names may have slipped through. If anyone else is missing, let me know. Phillip, I kept you on as a questionable, hence the 'x' I sent my letter offering $125 today, so we should have an answer in a couple of weeks. Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- Ray Boorman Brian Reddington-Wilde Rick Ewing Dave Watts Steve Perry John Huggins Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton (A) David Laws (A) Shane Weier (A) Mick Fauchon (A) Chris Banyai-Riepl Ken Hagerup Robert Karr Bill Bacon Alberto Rada Matt Bittner Pedro Nuno Soares Graham Nash Bob Pearson Michel Lefort Joey Valenciano Kent McClure Phillip Anz-Meador x Paul Schwartzkopf Hans-Juergen Glueck Kevin Barrett Mike Muth John Glaser Barry Stettler Al Superczynwski Joe Boeke Gary Hackney Len Endy Steve Sundberg Bruce Simard Bob Allred Charles Duckworth Mark Rook Lee Mensinger Brian Nicklas Franco Poloni Gerald P McOsker David Layton Don Rinker Ivan Subrt Sandy Adam Allan Wright Jim Alley Kevin Wenker Peter Fedders James Gibbons Jim Lyzun Fernando Lamas Charle Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 09:53:01 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: UPDATED AM LIST Message-ID: <17530176514415@KAIEN.COM> Greetings all, I accidentally deleted a couple of names from the AM list - I know I had put Tom Werner Hansen and Mike Denest on when they first sent the message a couple of days ago. So check again if you are included or not. I have now numbered each entry so I can tell if I delete any in the future, but for now . . . . . Regards, Bob Pearson (1) Ray Boorman (2) Brian Reddington-Wilde (3) Rick Ewing (4) Dave Watts (5) Steve Perry (6) John Huggins (7) Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton (A) (8) David Laws (A) (9) Shane Weier (A) (10) Mick Fauchon (A) (11) Chris Banyai-Riepl (12) Ken Hagerup (13) Robert Karr (14) Bill Bacon (15) Alberto Rada (16) Matt Bittner (17) Pedro Nuno Soares (18) Graham Nash (19) Bob Pearson (20) Michel Lefort (21) Joey Valenciano (22) Kent McClure (23) Phillip Anz-Meador x (24) Paul Schwartzkopf (25) Hans-Juergen Glueck (26) Kevin Barrett (27) Mike Muth (28) John Glaser (29) Barry Stettler (30) Al Superczynwski (31) Joe Boeke (32) Gary Hackney (33) Len Endy (34) Steve Sundberg (35) Bruce Simard (36) Bob Allred (37) Charles Duckworth (38) Mark Rook (39) Lee Mensinger (40) Brian Nicklas (41) Franco Poloni (42) Gerald P McOsker (43) David Layton (44) Don Rinker (45) Ivan Subrt (46) Sandy Adam (47) Allan Wright (48) Jim Alley (49) Kevin Wenker (50) Peter Fedders (51) James Gibbons (52) Jim Lyzun (53) Fernando Lamas (54) Charlie Johnson (55) Tom Werner Hansen (56) Mike Denest (57) Mark Shannon (58) Brad Gossen (59) Charles Hart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 12:56:15 -0600 (CST) From: fedders To: models Message-ID: A few days ago someone was asking about Wings. Wings products are included in the new Avusk catalog. peter fedders ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 20:19:04 +0100 (MET) From: knut.erik.hagen@login.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi Subject: Re: UPDATE" AM list Message-ID: <199803071919.UAA10328@login.eunet.no> I am interested if a CD version will be available at a reasonable price. Xeroxing is not realy practical for those of us who live outside America, postage on 700 pages to Europe is quite a lot, and then we can select what pages we want to print out - saving a tree or four. Eders Knut Erik >Sorry to those I missed in my earlier list of interested parties. My AM file >is now at 140 messages, so some names may have slipped through. If anyone >else is missing, let me know. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:52:28 -0500 From: perrysm@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Alb Data Message-ID: <19980307.175638.11302.0.perrysm@juno.com> Riordan: I received the Albatros Fighters Datafile. This is the first time I've set eye to one of these fabeled tombs. Boy am I impressed! I'll have it back to you in a couple of weeks. Thanks again Steven Perry perrysm@juno.com No war is "Great", but we all know which one had the Great airplanes! _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 15:20:48 -0800 From: thayer@sirius.com (Thayer Syme) To: wwi Subject: Re: AM purchase Message-ID: I will offer up a couple thoughts on scanning and file size. As I pay my rent with image processing, I offer a few insights that may be unique. Obviously we want the CD-ROM usable on all platforms. What we also want to do is maximize effciency. Towards that end, Do not discount the GIF file format. While I admit a GIF grayscale image is often lame beyond belief, text has other unique qualities. Namely, it is usually black on white. that is 1 bit of information per pixel, vs 8 for a grayscale image. A 300 dpi bitmap of a page of text is about 1 mb uncompressed, and saved as a GIF is roughly 215K. A grayscale equivilent is over 8MB, and saved as a JPG the file uses 583k on disk at the worst resolution. At a moderately acceptable res, the file leaps to 1254k. I have made a few tests of text saved as JPEG's and GIF's and have posted them to my web site. Feel free to look at them at . Someone mentioned that the original pages are Xeroxes. Suffice it to say, as soon as this happens, the true grayscale info is gone, and the main reason to use a JPEG goes away. A typical CD burn is capable of about 650 mb, so 800 pages of GIFs wouldn't be a problem at all. And then there is HTML. This is likely the best way to do it, as saving text is much more efficient than image data. There is very good software for OCR, that could pretty easily convert scanned pages to text. From there it would be a simple matter to add the HTML code, and folks could print or read to their heart's content. Storing the full lot on one CD would then be easier still. Just some thoughts, Thayer -- Thayer Syme Model Aviation Homepage San Francisco http://www.sirius.com/~thayer/modelhp.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 19:48:55 EST From: BStett3770 To: wwi Subject: Lt Lenz -SS-D-IV (Building Toko kit) Message-ID: Hi Gang Well I'm building the Toko SS D-4, decieded to do it in Lenz's markings Here's my dilemma, what color for the fuselage? Reading Datafile #29 SSW DIII/IV, Rimmel states that most of the fuselages were a dark stain with high gloss over coat. Struts & Metal parts Natural finish. Per Harry Woodmen (Scale Models July 1981) Vanished wood work for Fuselage (dark color) Stuts & Metal gray The box art for the Toko kits shows the Fuselage as dark green. ( which I kinda like, but know can't be right.) Lenz's SS DIV was #3083/18 , any one know which Jasta he flew with? And if so did the Jasta have a particular fuselage color? BTW- so far the kits goes together very well, one problem on the lower rear wing route faring, on a test fit it has a gap of about 1/8 in between the trailing edge of the wing and the fairng in the fuselage. I'll let you know more on that when I look at the drawings and work on the kit tomorrow. (thats if the wife & kids don't find me projects to do) Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 20:24:25 EST From: BStett3770 To: wwi Subject: Re: This is great..(Spray vs brush) Message-ID: Hi Dave Go with the spray for the large parts, it will come out the best in 1/48. If you don't have an airbrush, spray it flat black from a spray can, the overcoat it with a semi gloss spray (Testors Model Master makes a semi gloss spray can) The small details you can paint by hand. Like Mike Muth wrote the new Polly scale Water base paints brush great and e-z to clean up. After you get the whole thing done send us a picture, I'll scan it and put it up on my site. Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:31:07 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Lt Lenz -SS-D-IV (Building Toko kit) Message-ID: <01310744815150@KAIEN.COM> Barry, Lenz flew with Js.22. Believe it or not, but I don't have a profile of this aircraft done - I knew it had to happen sooner or later. regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: BStett3770 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Lt Lenz -SS-D-IV (Building Toko kit) > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 19:52:38 -0500 > > Hi Gang > > Well I'm building the Toko SS D-4, decieded to do it in Lenz's markings > > Here's my dilemma, what color for the fuselage? > > Reading Datafile #29 SSW DIII/IV, Rimmel states that most of the fuselages > were > a dark stain with high gloss over coat. Struts & Metal parts Natural finish. > > Per Harry Woodmen (Scale Models July 1981) Vanished wood work for Fuselage > (dark color) Stuts & Metal gray > > The box art for the Toko kits shows the Fuselage as dark green. ( which I > kinda like, but know can't be right.) > > Lenz's SS DIV was #3083/18 , any one know which Jasta he flew with? > And if so did the Jasta have a particular fuselage color? > > BTW- so far the kits goes together very well, one problem on the lower rear > wing route faring, on a test fit it has a gap of about 1/8 in between the > trailing edge of the wing and the fairng in the fuselage. I'll let you know > more on that when I look at the drawings and work on the kit tomorrow. > (thats if the wife & kids don't find me projects to do) > Keep Modeling > Barry > Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 10:20:51 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Lt Lenz -SS-D-IV (Building Toko kit) Message-ID: <350165D3.6B67@conted.gatech.edu> Barry, Lenz was CO of jasta 22 form July to November 1918; The Jasta Pilots has no info on unit markings for this formation. Interestingly, the Toko box and instructions identify the pilot of 3083/18 as Alfred Lerner (of whom I've found no record in the aforementioned tome), while the decal sheet has him--correctly, I guess--as Alfred Lenz! Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 17:33:29 -0800 From: Dave Sterner To: wwi Subject: Re: This is great.. Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980308013329.006a8d18@earthlink.net> At 12:06 AM 3/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-03-06 23:30:50 EST, you write: > ><< I'm getting back into this with > a passion, today I ordered about $300.00 worth of Winsock publications, >> > >You wouldn't happen to be unmarried would you?(heee hee hee) > >Not married, and believe it or not my girlfriend thinks modeling is "cute"-some guys have all the luck huh? > << It looks like the concensious on my paint question is to use a > semi-gloss black for the triplane, now my question is, spray or brush? Do > most of you spray the larger pieces and brush the smaller ones? >> > >I build mainly in 1/48 with the occasional excursion into 1/32 (although >tonight I just finished several hours refurbishing a 1/72 Camel I gave to my >young nephew years ago).Anyway, I do both spray and and hand. The key to a >smooth hand brush job is a good brush that doesn't leave a trail of small >bubbles in its wake and be be sure to work as crudless as possible.I just >finished a 1/48 scratch Sopwith Tabloid done in natural fabric. I sprayed a >very light yellowy creamy off white and over this I hand brushed a blend of >Testors waterbase acrylic clear gloss and clear flat mixed with just a tiny >tiny tiny amount of brown and yellow to simulate the dope-on-fabric look. >This simulated dope looks terrible when sprayed, but when handbrushed, it >looks real! Many WW I planes had a somewhat streaky hand brushed look and hand >brushing the model is sometimes the best way to capture the texture.Once >again, it depends on the airplane- A lot of German planes in particular had a >multicolor spray job whereas on machines such as the Fokker D VII, DrI and >others, the camo WAS handbrushed, and the only way to duplicate this is by >hand. >Robert Karr > >Guys like you really take this to an art form, the term "scrath" blows my mind. Do you favor any particular brand of brush and paint? I've just been using brushes so far,Testors stuff, sometimes I get a smooth finish, sometimes not. I find if I try to touch anything up that my "fix" doesn't blend very well. Do I need to thin out my paint or get a differnt brand? I'm considering using a spray can semi-gloss black for the triplane but I'm a little nervous about wrecking the first nice kit that I'm gonna do. Nothing like trial and error as a teacher though huh? Thanks for your time and wisdom, any chance of seeing that Tabloid on the web? Dave Sterner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 17:59:57 -0800 From: Dave Sterner To: wwi Subject: Re: This is great..(Spray vs brush) Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980308015957.006a3868@earthlink.net> At 08:28 PM 3/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Dave > >Go with the spray for the large parts, it will come out the best in 1/48. If >you don't have an airbrush, spray it flat black from a spray can, the overcoat >it with a semi gloss spray (Testors Model Master makes a semi gloss spray can) > >The small details you can paint by hand. Like Mike Muth wrote the new Polly >scale Water base paints brush great and e-z to clean up. > >After you get the whole thing done send us a picture, I'll scan it and put it >up on my site. > >Keep Modeling >Barry >Rosemont Hobby > > Sounds like the way to go, I'm like a kid waiting for the mailman every day, I can't wait to get started. I'd be happy to buy all my paint from you, maybe we can get a package together that would have everything I need for this first model,and send the needed paint with all the ones I buy in the future. When I was a kid I built a kit that was Voss's triplane, the other kits in the series were a Spad and a Camel I think. I remember them being nicely detailed, were they Auroa kits? Are they still made? Any basic tips on spray can technique? Spray from about 2 feet away? Is temperature a factor? Any preferred tape for taping off/masking things? Any really large scale WWI kits made? What's the largest currently available that would be worth building? I've got a million questions but I won't dump them all on you at once, Thanks again for all your help, Dave Sterner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 18:44:55 -0800 From: Dave Sterner To: wwi Subject: Re: This is great.. Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980308024455.006a3bc4@earthlink.net> At 08:52 AM 3/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >On Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:33:29 -0500 Dave Sterner > writes: > It would be cool to find some information/pictures >> on Jacob's and his triplane that I'm getting ready to build, any >> ideas? > >Most of the stuff on Jacobs' personal life has been published in >Cross & Cockade International (C&CI), one issue of the US, now >defunct Cross & Cockade (C&C) and a few issues of Over the Front >(OtF). I am a big fan of Jacobs', so I have as much of the stuff >as I can get my greedy little hands on. :-) There are other >small articles from different sources, but the main ones dealing >with his life are contained in the above sources. > >As Patrick said, there are a couple of pages devoted to Jacobs in >the Albatross Dr.I Special. Plus, there are some words in Volume >II of _Aviation Awards of Imperial Germany in World War I_. Also >look at the new Albatross D.VII Anthology, part 1. It has a >couple of pages devoted to Jasta 7, which include never before >seen pictures of aircraft line ups, in which you can see his >Dr.I, and his D.VII (in which, incidentally, is the same photo in >the Dr.I Special). However, it is the other never before seen >pictures that made my heart flutter. :-) > > >Matt Bittner > Hey Matt, Thanks for the info, I just subscribed to OtF and guess I better get my check in the mail to C&C. When I get a chance to buy some back issues I might call on you again for which issues those are that have Jacobs' stories. Don't you wish they had invented color film a few decades earlier? Think of some of the aircraft line up pictues... Thanks again Dave Sterner >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 18:52:19 -0800 From: Dave Sterner To: wwi Subject: Re: This is great.. Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980308025219.006a831c@earthlink.net> At 10:43 AM 3/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 11:33 PM 3/6/98 -0500, Dave Sterner wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> It looks like the concensious on my paint question is to use a >>semi-gloss black for the triplane, now my question is, spray or brush? Do >>most of you spray the larger pieces and brush the smaller ones? >Dave > When I did his triplane in 1/78, I spray painted the whole thing in >a flat black...definitely looks weird. I mix the style of painting when I do >stuff....spray paint white, silver, yellow, clear doped linen(Model Masters >"Modern Dessert Sand) and black, hand paint the rest. I just started getting >used to an airbrush. I like the look it gives, but it's a lot of work >masking and cleaning. One thing I'm starting to swear by is water based >paints! Polly-Scale(or is it Polly-S, I forget which one is the new version) >is great on colors, coverage and cleanup. >HTH >Mike Muth > >Hi Mike, Looks like its the water based Polly-Scale for me. Barry suggested a clear semi-gloss overspray after the flat black and I think thats the method I'm going to try. I'll keep my fingers crossed, I have never used spray cans before, all my experience is 25 years old and with a brush. We'll see what happens... Thanks again, Dave Sterner > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 19:01:34 -0800 From: Dave Sterner To: wwi Subject: Re: This is great.. Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980308030134.006b7838@earthlink.net> At 12:13 AM 3/7/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >> It would be cool to find some >>information/pictures on Jacob's and his triplane that I'm getting ready to >>build, any ideas? > >There is very little information concerning the two DRIs flown by Jacobs, >but the best source I personally have is from the Windsock Datafile DRI >Special. There are three or four photos of the planes plus a nice profile >and a painted 3D view of the devils-head marked tripe. Really there are no >photos of the devil-head that I have ever seen (except for the photo in the >Datafile, but that is so blurred that you cannot make out much of teh >marking). Most of the info on this DRI was taken from Jacobs himself through >interviews and a small scetch of the devils-head he made. > Lucky me, I just ordered the Datafile DRI special last Friday, must be clean livin'. >> It looks like the concensious on my paint question is to use a >>semi-gloss black for the triplane, now my question is, spray or brush? Do >>most of you spray the larger pieces and brush the smaller ones? > > >I usually use an airbrush for as much painting as possible. I brush paint >usually just the interior details and other small things like that. > >Patrick Gilmore > >I don't own an airbrush so I think I'm going with spray cans and hope for a good learning experience. What's the worst that can happen? Thanks for your help, hope I can return the favor sometime.. Dave Sterner > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 926 *********************