WWI Digest 923

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) reproducing AM for list
	by Brian Nicklas <NASAD003@SIVM.SI.EDU>
  2) Re: reproducing AM for list
	by Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
  3) Re: AM update
	by "Lee Mensinger" <lemen@wireweb.net>
  4) Thanks Joey
	by Pedro Nuno Soares <pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt>
  5) Re: New Chandelle
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
  6) Re: UPDATE: Aerodrome Modeler for Sale
	by Franco Poloni <frank@lo.itline.it>
  7) Re: AM update
	by Mick Fauchon <ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>
  8) Re: UPDATE: Aerodrome Modeler for Sale
	by The Shannons <Shingend@ix.netcom.com>
  9) Who needs some oop Datafiles?
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
 10) Re: AM update
	by "CHARLES JOHNSON" <cejohnsonjr@worldnet.att.net>
 11) Re: the Aerodrome Modeler and Lozenge Therapy
	by "Gerald P. McOsker" <amadon@efortress.com>
 12) printing
	by Dave Watts <davew@wattstrainshop.com>
 13) Re: printing
	by Alberto Rada <rada@true.NET>
 14) Re: printing
	by Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
 15) Re: printing
	by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" <herper@willapabay.org>
 16) hangar stuff
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
 17) Re: UPDATE: Aerodrome Modeler for Sale
	by DavidL1217 <DavidL1217@aol.com>
 18) Re: printing
	by DavidL1217 <DavidL1217@aol.com>
 19) Re: printing
	by Don Rinker <drinker@fast.net>
 20) books in the freezer
	by Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
 21) Re: printing
	by Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
 22) Re: hangar stuff
	by Kenneth Hagerup <hagerupk@prodigy.net>
 23) Re: hangar stuff
	by "Alexandre " <atcampos@nutecnet.com.br>
 24) Re: early Ukrain airforce (was RE: Sopwith Baby - global hobby)
	by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael)
 25) Re: printing
	by Dave Watts <davew@wattstrainshop.com>
 26) Re: printing
	by "Lee Mensinger" <lemen@wireweb.net>
 27) Re: New Chandelle
	by "Scott M. Head" <smh@iapc.net>
 28) Re: New Chandelle
	by Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
 29) Re: AM update
	by REwing <REwing@aol.com>
 30) printing
	by Dave Watts <davew@wattstrainshop.com>
 31) 
	by Dave Sterner <lob@earthlink.net>
 32) RE: UPDATE: Aerodrome Modeler for Sale 
	by silverinfo@czechia.com

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Date:         Thu, 5 Mar 98  13:21:47 EST
From: Brian Nicklas <NASAD003@SIVM.SI.EDU>
To: <wwi>
Subject: reproducing AM for list
Message-ID: <199803051825.NAA21547@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

Bob & Bill,
Try looking into blueprint & drafting shops as contractors
for duplication of Aerodrome Modeler.
And if the last issue has something on cessation of publication,
all the better.  Something that is out of print usually has
a better chance of getting reproduced.  If any of your issues
has an address, write for permission, and use a "returned-
undeliverable" stamp on the envelope as proof that the publication
no longer exsists.  That is your proof that you attempted to
obtain copyright clearance.  Perhaps Greg VW has an idea on copyright
holder of the publication at this point.

One you find a replicator, perhaps only one or two issues at a time
to prevent overwork.  Unless there is a price break, of course.

Now that I've seen a sampling of subject,
I should be added to the list...
Brian Nicklas


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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:36:26 -0800
From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi>
Subject: Re: reproducing AM for list
Message-ID: <18362690708958@KAIEN.COM>


Brian,

4/4 definately states that it is the final issue. I have done copying on my
own at copy shops but not 32,000 pages worth. Even at a penny a page it
would come to $320, and I doubt we could get it done that cheaply.

In any case I'll see what my local shop would charge to do that many copies.

Regards,
       Bob Pearson

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> From: Brian Nicklas <NASAD003@SIVM.SI.EDU>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: reproducing AM for list
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:25:24 -0500
> 
> Bob & Bill,
> Try looking into blueprint & drafting shops as contractors
> for duplication of Aerodrome Modeler.
> And if the last issue has something on cessation of publication,
> all the better.  Something that is out of print usually has
> a better chance of getting reproduced.  If any of your issues
> has an address, write for permission, and use a "returned-
> undeliverable" stamp on the envelope as proof that the publication
> no longer exsists.  That is your proof that you attempted to
> obtain copyright clearance.  Perhaps Greg VW has an idea on copyright
> holder of the publication at this point.
> 
> One you find a replicator, perhaps only one or two issues at a time
> to prevent overwork.  Unless there is a price break, of course.
> 
> Now that I've seen a sampling of subject,
> I should be added to the list...
> Brian Nicklas
> 


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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 12:45:01 -0600
From: "Lee Mensinger" <lemen@wireweb.net>
To: wwi, "Lee Mensinger" <lemen@wireweb.net>
Subject: Re: AM update
Message-ID: <34FEF2AD.B96113E@wireweb.net>

Bob:

I believe it is possible the postage estimate may be bit low.  The
weight of one package of INKJET paper may be a clue and it has 500
pages/sheets.  Lee



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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:05:41 +0100
From: Pedro Nuno Soares <pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt>
To: "'ww1 modeling list'" <wwi>
Subject: Thanks Joey
Message-ID: <01BD4869.E3472B20@fei1-p11.telepac.pt>

Joey Promptly and generously wrote:

>If you can't buy the $15 over where you are, I may still have some cash
left w/ my brother and might be able to help you get your share in. Write
me off list if you want.

Thanks a lot but I didn't really mean it... I can get the bills locally. Anyway I did appreciate your prompt willingness to help. Thanks.

Um abraco


Pedro


P.S. sorry If a similar message was already received. I had a little problem with my computer

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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:24:24 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: New Chandelle
Message-ID: <3668f1bf.34fefbea@aol.com>

Good work. On topic stuff for the list includes great C.Hart photos of the Air
Force Museum's new D VII- these are found in the Fokker D VII Anthology
review.
Nice profiles on the Rumpler Gs.
On a broader front- the COIN article contains the best, most clearly thought
out explanation for France's post Napoleonic military failures! Real brain-
food here.
Robert K.

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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:04:35 GMT
From: Franco Poloni <frank@lo.itline.it>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: UPDATE: Aerodrome Modeler for Sale
Message-ID: <199803030904.JAA06220@lo.itline.it>

At 12.16 05/03/98 -0500, you wrote:
>

>We now have 41 members wanting to contribute (43 if Franco and Ivan join).

Bob
count me in for this, please.
let me know the cost including the postage to Italy.
Thanks


 Franco 


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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:42:16 +1100 (EST)
From: Mick Fauchon <ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>
To: wwi
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: AM update
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9803060942.A6350-0100000@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>




	Shane and David,

>  will happily do without one for myself.  That saves 800 pages anyhow
> > 
> > Shane
> 
> We can share a copy and save one lot of post and copying expenses if
> your agreeable 
> 

	Sounds like the best way out to me. I'm happy to go on that one.


								Cheers,

								Mick.




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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 17:00:11 -0600
From: The Shannons <Shingend@ix.netcom.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: UPDATE: Aerodrome Modeler for Sale
Message-ID: <34FF2E7B.DA84E790@ix.netcom.com>



Bob Pearson wrote:

> A lot of information on the subject of the Aerodrome Modeler Project.

Thank you very much.  I think we have a plan.

--
This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon
at Shingend@ix.netcom.com

History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could.



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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 23:00:45 -0000
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: "AAA - WW1 Group" <wwi>
Subject: Who needs some oop Datafiles?
Message-ID: <199803052256.WAA12363@beryl.sol.co.uk>

I received the latest second-hand catalogue from MCP earlier this week.
This contains almost the whole range of Datafiles at 5.50GBP each. MCP take
credit cards and add 15% for overseas postage - thus each datafile is
roughly 10.50USD each including shipping!
Doubtless many have gone already - but if there are any you need you could
mail them at midlandbooks@compuserve.com 
If you want catalogue numbers for anything drop me a line. There are 30
pages full of other stuff too.
Sandy

PS - I was too late for the only two I need to complete my collection  -
the Nie17 and Hannover ClIII - if anybody knows where to get a copy of
these please let me know.


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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:31:15 -0500
From: "CHARLES JOHNSON" <cejohnsonjr@worldnet.att.net>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: AM update
Message-ID: <19980306003258.AAA3811@default>

Bob thats 6 1/2 cases of paper @5000 sheets per carton,working for Xerox I
can tell you that it will cost quite a bit to get it done in a copy shop,
if you know some one who works in a college print shop or similar
environment, they will usually do it cheaper, also you can provide your own
paper, you can get cheap paper around 2-3.00 per ream at a sams club or at
staples or other office supply place...thats my  $.02 s worth 
                           Charlie

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> From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: AM update
> Date: Thursday, March 05, 1998 1:54 AM
> 
> 
> Okay,
> 
> there are now 39 interested parties. Does anyone know what it would cost
to
> have 32,000 pages run off at a copy shop. At $15 a head we now have $450
for
> copying and postage.
> 
> regards,
>        Bob Pearson

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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:29:42 -0500
From: "Gerald P. McOsker" <amadon@efortress.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: the Aerodrome Modeler and Lozenge Therapy
Message-ID: <l03130300b12501449a37@[205.181.171.89]>

I think I missed something along the way. I've been checking too often on
my Datafiles and Windsocks in the freezer-  At what point is it safe to
take them out? I had the drainage problem in my house fixed last weekend
so there will be no more floods-
Thsi Airdrum thing sounds fascinating- count me in for whatever-

Cheers

Gerry



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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 20:27:25 -0500
From: Dave Watts <davew@wattstrainshop.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: printing
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980305202725.007e03a0@wingate>

  I have a friend in the printing business.  What exactly do we need
copied?  Is it 40 sets (for 40 members) of 20 volumes of 40 pages each, 2
sided, in black and white, stapled and collated?  He can get me a quote in
a couple of days.  
  Others can take the same information for quotes elsewhere.  We do bulk
mailings for our mailorder business, so I can look at postage rates as well. 
  I think this might just get off the ground!
Dave W.


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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 22:08:31 -0400
From: Alberto Rada <rada@true.NET>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: printing
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980305220831.00fcf4ec@pop.true.net>

Hi Dave

This sounds very good to me

SALUDOS


Alberto

p.d. Question: are there any color drawings or photos on these volumes ?

At 08:42 PM 05-03-98 -0500, you wrote:
>  I have a friend in the printing business.  What exactly do we need
>copied?  Is it 40 sets (for 40 members) of 20 volumes of 40 pages each, 2
>sided, in black and white, stapled and collated?  He can get me a quote in
>a couple of days.  
>  Others can take the same information for quotes elsewhere.  We do bulk
>mailings for our mailorder business, so I can look at postage rates as well. 
>  I think this might just get off the ground!
>Dave W.
>
>
>


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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:48:21 -0800
From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi>
Subject: Re: printing
Message-ID: <02482113610413@KAIEN.COM>


Dave

What is needed is roughly 50 sets of 800 one-sided pages. There is no
colour, but there are 902 b/w cross-hatched profiles. 

Bob

----------
> From: Dave Watts <davew@wattstrainshop.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: printing
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:42:02 -0500
> 
>   I have a friend in the printing business.  What exactly do we need
> copied?  Is it 40 sets (for 40 members) of 20 volumes of 40 pages each, 2
> sided, in black and white, stapled and collated?  He can get me a quote in
> a couple of days.  
>   Others can take the same information for quotes elsewhere.  We do bulk
> mailings for our mailorder business, so I can look at postage rates as
well. 
>   I think this might just get off the ground!
> Dave W.
> 


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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:58:44 -0800
From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" <herper@willapabay.org>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: printing
Message-ID: <01bd48ab$c6a5bd00$a44ffbce@chrisban>

Hi guys,
If we are talking 800 one-sided pages, then why not do duplexing and copy on
both sides of the page?  This would reduce the 800 one-sided pages to 400
pages.  Most modern copiers can do two consecutive pages to one
front-and-back page.

Chris


>
>Dave
>
>What is needed is roughly 50 sets of 800 one-sided pages. There is no
>colour, but there are 902 b/w cross-hatched profiles.
>
>Bob
>
>----------
>> From: Dave Watts <davew@wattstrainshop.com>
>> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
>> Subject: printing
>> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:42:02 -0500
>>
>>   I have a friend in the printing business.  What exactly do we need
>> copied?  Is it 40 sets (for 40 members) of 20 volumes of 40 pages each, 2
>> sided, in black and white, stapled and collated?  He can get me a quote
in
>> a couple of days.
>>   Others can take the same information for quotes elsewhere.  We do bulk
>> mailings for our mailorder business, so I can look at postage rates as
>well.
>>   I think this might just get off the ground!
>> Dave W.
>>


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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:03:02 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: hangar stuff
Message-ID: <24b9044a.34ff6768@aol.com>

Inadvertantly dumping a bit of my mail cache, I believe there's been some
hanger discussion lately. Concerning the Bessonneau, the Aircraft Archive
series Aircraft of World War One vol3  had Ian Stair drawings of said shelter-
actually model plans complete with templates in 1/72.There was also
substantially the same material in a back issue of Windsock along with some
additional info.
Some of you may remember several months ago I mentioned that I had drawings
somewhere of a German hanger- I KNOW I DO!!!! but the "somewhere " still
hasn't presented itself. What I have found is 3 photos from an article in C&C
US v13 #2 summer 72 that show flat-on side views that could easily be used to
make drawings. The photos are pretty bad but usable.The article was about
everyday life in a Jasta and contained this descruption of the hanger:

"The staffel usually has five or six such tents.They are canvas supported by
metal poles and guyed by ropes to the ground.They are pentagonal in shape with
two poles in the middle.One entire side is the "front door" to the tent and is
pulled by two ropes that travel up to the top of the door frame and then back
to a pulley and down.Pulling up this flap opens one whole side of the tent and
lets in light and air. There are either no windows or at most a very small
one.There are  entrances at three points via flaps- one on each side of the
front panel and one at the very rear at the point of juncture of the rear
walls. Three planes can be accomodated in a tent hangar.With the propeller
horizontal, one plane is rolled in and parked with its nose against the right
rear wall. The second plane is rolled in with its nose against the left rear
wall. The third plane is rolled in backwards with some jiggling to get its
tail by the center ploes and is parked facing outward with its nose towards
the front door panel"
If any one wants an e-mail attachment version of the 3 photos let me know and
they are on their way!
Robert K.

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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:04:27 EST
From: DavidL1217 <DavidL1217@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: UPDATE: Aerodrome Modeler for Sale
Message-ID: <5141600.34ff67bd@aol.com>

Deal me in....

David Layton

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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:06:18 EST
From: DavidL1217 <DavidL1217@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: printing
Message-ID: <3e80e481.34ff682c@aol.com>

What about scanning the issues and letting each of us down load.  Or writing
to disc?

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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 22:08:57 -0500
From: Don Rinker <drinker@fast.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: printing
Message-ID: <34FF68C9.6BC5@fast.net>

Bob Pearson wrote:
> 
> Dave
> 
> What is needed is roughly 50 sets of 800 one-sided pages. There is no
> colour, but there are 902 b/w cross-hatched profiles.
> 
> Bob
>

I just started readin about 5 back days of mail. I want one of these
sets. Who's collecting the money?

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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:18:11 -0700
From: Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
To: wwi
Subject: books in the freezer
Message-ID: <l03102800b12519da1ab5@[128.138.153.98]>

Welll Gerry,

     I think you are going to have to leave your precious waterlogged books
in your freezer until they develop a really bad case of freezer burn.  Its
not enough that you got the water frozen in the pages, but the water has to
somehow be removed.  Freeze dryer machines do this pretty well, they are
made to draw out the water without letting it become liquid.  In your case,
you still have frozen water between all of those pages.  By now I should
hope that the covers of what ever is at the top of your pile might have
come free of the rest of the pages, at least you might glimpse the contents
of the book at the top of the pile.

     Seriously, you might look into who might have a large capacity freeze
dryer in your area.  The books that were flooded at Colorado State
University library last July were frozen and shipped to Texas to be dried
out in a large capacity freeze dryer.  But then, they had over 500,000
books to dry out.

Good luck,

Charles

hartc@spot.colorado.edu




>I think I missed something along the way. I've been checking too often on
>my Datafiles and Windsocks in the freezer-  At what point is it safe to
>take them out? I had the drainage problem in my house fixed last weekend
>so there will be no more floods-
>Thsi Airdrum thing sounds fascinating- count me in for whatever-
>
>Cheers
>
>Gerry




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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:20:38 -0700
From: Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: printing
Message-ID: <l03102801b1251bcc8fe4@[128.138.153.98]>

Two sided copying would be wise and saves on paper costs.

Charles

hartc@spot.colorado.edu





>Dave
>
>What is needed is roughly 50 sets of 800 one-sided pages. There is no
>colour, but there are 902 b/w cross-hatched profiles.
>
>Bob
>
>----------
>> From: Dave Watts <davew@wattstrainshop.com>
>> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
>> Subject: printing
>> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:42:02 -0500
>>
>>   I have a friend in the printing business.  What exactly do we need
>> copied?  Is it 40 sets (for 40 members) of 20 volumes of 40 pages each, 2
>> sided, in black and white, stapled and collated?  He can get me a quote in
>> a couple of days.
>>   Others can take the same information for quotes elsewhere.  We do bulk
>> mailings for our mailorder business, so I can look at postage rates as
>well.
>>   I think this might just get off the ground!
>> Dave W.
>>




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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 21:12:26 -0600
From: Kenneth Hagerup <hagerupk@prodigy.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: hangar stuff
Message-ID: <34FF699A.73F8@prodigy.net>

KarrArt wrote:

> If any one wants an e-mail attachment version of the 3 photos let me know and
> they are on their way!

I'd like a set, please.

Thanks,

Ken

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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 00:24:41 -0300
From: "Alexandre " <atcampos@nutecnet.com.br>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: hangar stuff
Message-ID: <199803060325.DAA04337@srv1-cas.cas.nutecnet.com.br>

  Me too please !

  TIA !

  Best regards,

  Alexandre - atcampos@nutecnet.com.br

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> De: Kenneth Hagerup <hagerupk@prodigy.net>
> Para: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Assunto: Re: hangar stuff
> Data: Sexta-feira, 6 de Mar=E7o de 1998 00:25
>=20
> KarrArt wrote:
>=20
> > If any one wants an e-mail attachment version of the 3 photos let me
know and
> > they are on their way!
>=20
> I'd like a set, please.
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> Ken

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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:53:38 -0500
From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael)
To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: early Ukrain airforce (was RE: Sopwith Baby - global hobby)
Message-ID: <199803060353.WAA23620@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

At 12:03 PM 3/5/98 -0500, Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador wrote:
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Knut Erik Hagen [SMTP:knut.erik.hagen@login.eunet.no]
>Sent:	Wednesday, March 04, 1998 6:59 PM
>To:	Multiple recipients of list
>Subject:	Sopwith Baby - global hobby
>
>
>Are there someone on the list who knows what kind of aircraft the very 
>first
>Ukrainian
>airforce operated?
>
        I would think there must be some stuff in Insignia Magazine. This is
put out by Blue Rider and deals with this kind of topic. I don't have  too
much, only 1 issue dealing with Polish aircraft 1919-1924. They have stuff
on Lithuanian, Latvian, etc. There address iswww.squadron.com/insignia/
or at least it used to be!
HTH
Mike Muth


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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 23:24:10 -0500
From: Dave Watts <davew@wattstrainshop.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: printing
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980305232410.007cb2f0@wingate>

Hi Bob,
  I take it that the "902 b/w profiles" are included in the 800 one-sided
pages.  It's not that big a deal to have the sets collated and stapled into
their respective volumes,.....if they are in volumes?  If so, how many, and
how many pages, (approximately), per volume.  I know I wouldn't want 800
loose pages sliding around.  And if you don't have the specifics, maybe
someone out there does.  I just want to get the pertinent info to my
printer buddy.  As to the comment about copying on both sides of the paper,
I have to believe that will cut down on the printing, as well as postage
costs.
Dave W.

>Dave
>
>What is needed is roughly 50 sets of 800 one-sided pages. There is no
>colour, but there are 902 b/w cross-hatched profiles. 
>
>Bob
>
>>I have a friend in the printing business.  What exactly do we need
>> copied?  Is it 40 sets (for 40 members) of 20 volumes of 40 pages each, 2
>> sided, in black and white, stapled and collated?  He can get me a quote in
>> a couple of days.  
>>   Others can take the same information for quotes elsewhere.  We do bulk
>> mailings for our mailorder business, so I can look at postage rates as
>well. 
>>   I think this might just get off the ground!
>> Dave W.
>> 
>
>
>


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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 23:01:54 -0600
From: "Lee Mensinger" <lemen@wireweb.net>
To: wwi, "Lee Mensinger" <lemen@wireweb.net>
Subject: Re: printing
Message-ID: <34FF8342.8BB65931@wireweb.net>

Dave Watts wrote:

> Hi Bob,
>   I take it that the "902 b/w profiles" are included in the 800
> one-sided
> pages.  It's not that big a deal to have the sets collated and stapled
> into
> their respective volumes,.....if they are in volumes?  If so, how
> many, and
> how many pages, (approximately), per volume.  I know I wouldn't want
> 800
> loose pages sliding around.  And if you don't have the specifics,
> maybe
> someone out there does.  I just want to get the pertinent info to my
> printer buddy.  As to the comment about copying on both sides of the
> paper,
> I have to believe that will cut down on the printing, as well as
> postage
> costs.
> Dave W.
>
> Now we are getting serious thoughts on the subject. It is obvious that
> 1/2 the pages will reduce the postage.  It is also going to reduce the
> cost per page at the printers and don't forget the space required to
> store the stuff when it comes to rest in your home, bailiwick or
> dungeon as the case may be.  Two volumes, with 200 double side pages
> each, is a heck of a good idea.  Keep talking gentlemen good sense
> will prevail... Lee

P.S.  First thing you know they will be library bound and gold
imprinting.  What the heck!!! I could even buy that..  L.


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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:55:12 -0600
From: "Scott M. Head" <smh@iapc.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: New Chandelle
Message-ID:  <9803052252.aa07819@mail.iapc.net>

>Good work. On topic stuff for the list includes great C.Hart photos of the Air
>Force Museum's new D VII- these are found in the Fokker D VII Anthology
>review.
>Nice profiles on the Rumpler Gs.
>On a broader front- the COIN article contains the best, most clearly thought
>out explanation for France's post Napoleonic military failures! Real brain-
>food here.

Incredible article on the French fiascos indeed. The on-topic profiles and
articles have always been great (thanks Riordan!). Chandelle is a fine net
publication, I just wish it was a monthly!

Cheers!

Scott M. Head
IPMS/Houston
IPMS/USA 32841
smh@iapc.net

IPMS/Houston Scale Model Forum:
http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh



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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:22:55 -0700
From: Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: New Chandelle
Message-ID: <l03102807b12537df2873@[128.138.153.98]>

The color profiles in Chandelle are all produced by its editor, Robert
Johnson.  He also wrote the French COIN article, the first in a series.
Other individuals have contributed various bits of content, most of which
is edited by Rob.  I contribute the occasional kit and book review, all of
which pass under his critical editorial scrutiny.

Just to give credit where it is due.

Charles

hartc@spot.colorado.edu

>
>Incredible article on the French fiascos indeed. The on-topic profiles and
>articles have always been great (thanks Riordan!). Chandelle is a fine net
>publication, I just wish it was a monthly!
>
>Cheers!
>
>Scott M. Head
>IPMS/Houston
>IPMS/USA 32841
>smh@iapc.net
>
>IPMS/Houston Scale Model Forum:
>http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh




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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 01:32:25 EST
From: REwing <REwing@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: AM update
Message-ID: <6d66c0bc.34ff987b@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-03-04 20:20:52 EST, you write:

<< Rick Ewing is willing to do half the job.  With three weeks to go, the
three of
 us can iron things out.  I suggest that where there is more than one member
in
 another country, we make a shipment to one indiviual and he can ship to
others.
 Just an idea.  I am more tha willimg to make extra copies for the library and
I
 am sure Rick feels the same way.  Rick your input please.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Bill B. >>

I agree with everything Bill says.  Then it will only be 12,000 sheets of
paper between us!!!!  I can handle that!! ;^}

-Rick-

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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 01:38:38 -0500
From: Dave Watts <davew@wattstrainshop.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: printing
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980306013838.007e2940@wingate>

If anyone, but Lee Mensinger, replied to this, could you re-reply, my
damned server is disconnecting in the middle of downloading mail, and I'm
loosing parts, and whole letters.  Thanks!
Dave W.

>  I have a friend in the printing business.  What exactly do we need
copied?  Is it 40 sets (for 40 members) of 20 volumes of 40 pages each, 2
sided, in black and white, stapled and collated?  He can get me a quote in
a couple of days.  
>  Others can take the same information for quotes elsewhere.  We do bulk
mailings for our mailorder business, so I can look at postage rates as well. 
>  I think this might just get off the ground!
>Dave W.


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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 23:09:41 -0800
From: Dave Sterner <lob@earthlink.net>
To: wwi
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980306070941.006a1cd4@earthlink.net>

 Hello everyone,
         My name is Dave Sterner, I live in Los Angeles Ca. and have
recently rekindled my love of building WWI models after an absence of about
25 years. I have enjoyed reading some of the threads in your archive and
look forward to directly communicating with some of you.
I restarted my modeling by building the "Red Baron" Revell kit with the car
and triplane (I didn't want to screw up a really good kit getting my chops
back) and have ordered the DML 1/48 Fokker DR-1 with the Jacob's markings as
a first serious project.
If anyone has built this kit I would appreciate any tips you could pass on
reguarding what paint to use. Flat black? Should all of the paints I use for
the exteriors of my planes be flat? I would also appreciate any suggestions
for a good "basics of modeling" book. As you can tell from my previous
question I'm kinda starting from scratch again, I figure alot has changed in
25 years.
         Thanks alot,
                Dave


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Date: Fri,  6 Mar 98 08:03:49 PST
From: silverinfo@czechia.com
To: wwi
Subject: RE: UPDATE: Aerodrome Modeler for Sale 
Message-ID: <Chameleon.980306081006.s2@trixi.lfp.cuni.cz>


On Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:15:46 -0500  Bob Pearson wrote:

>We now have 41 members wanting to contribute (43 if 
Franco and Ivan join).
>The plan was I would buy the complete set of Aerodrome 
Modeler (4 years) for
>the list library, and anyone who wanted to contribute to 
the cost could do
>so. In return for the $15 contribution, Bill would make a 
copy for that
>person (with each person still responsible for their 
return postage).
>However with the number of members joining I am sure we 
have enough to pay
>for the postage to each contributor. Our problem now is 
how to copy 41 sets
>of up to 800 pages 41x800=32,800. A few pages more than 
Bill may have
>planned on when he offered originally. Even if Bill and 
Rick were to split
>this between them, that is still 16,000 each. Does anyone 
else have access
>to a free copier? The fund would pay for paper costs (I 
have no idea about
>toner, but I suppose that would have to be figured in as 
well).
>

Definitely count me in ... but consider to get the stuff 
scanned and put on the CD. It'll certainly spare on 
postage (and tropical forrests :) )

Ivan Subrt



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